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Because being a"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2083.48,"endTime":2085.5499999999997,"body":"lawyer can be very stressful."},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2085.5499999999997,"endTime":2088.61,"body":"But you got to find outlets to"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2085.5499999999997,"endTime":2088.61,"body":"relieve the stress."},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2089.21,"endTime":2092.75,"body":"Yeah, that's good"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2089.21,"endTime":2092.75,"body":"for you. I am a rock climber."},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2092.75,"endTime":2096.62,"body":"And I claim that it typically"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2092.75,"endTime":2096.62,"body":"indoors at a gym. And it's often"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2096.65,"endTime":2099.32,"body":"the case that they have yoga as"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2096.65,"endTime":2099.32,"body":"well. And I've always wanted to"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2099.32,"endTime":2101.42,"body":"do more of it. I've only done a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2099.32,"endTime":2101.42,"body":"little bit of it. And it's just"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2101.42,"endTime":2104.39,"body":"one of those things of hey,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2101.42,"endTime":2104.39,"body":"let's prioritize and Brandon as"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2104.39,"endTime":2107.96,"body":"well. So we'll have to give that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2104.39,"endTime":2107.96,"body":"a try. Well, Wes, that's pretty"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2107.96,"endTime":2110.9,"body":"much it. We really appreciate"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2107.96,"endTime":2110.9,"body":"your time. If folks would like"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2110.9,"endTime":2113.84,"body":"to get in touch with you. How"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2110.9,"endTime":2113.84,"body":"would you like them to reach out"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2113.69,"endTime":2114.59,"body":"Yeah, I appreciate"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2113.69,"endTime":2114.59,"body":"that. So the two ways. Typically"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2113.84,"endTime":2114.14,"body":"to you?"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2114.59,"endTime":2115.82,"body":"email is best for me. I can give"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2114.59,"endTime":2115.82,"body":"my email address here I'll and"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2115.82,"endTime":2117.35,"body":"I'll spell it too after Oh, so"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2115.82,"endTime":2117.35,"body":"it's Wes@galliumlaw.com So it's"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2117.86,"endTime":2124.46,"body":"wes@gallium law.com or through"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2117.86,"endTime":2124.46,"body":"our website and it's just"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2124.46,"endTime":2129.4700000000003,"body":"www.galliumlaw.com So I think"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2124.46,"endTime":2129.4700000000003,"body":"those are the best ways I don't"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2129.4700000000003,"endTime":2137.96,"body":"I'm not really a I'm not on"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2129.4700000000003,"endTime":2137.96,"body":"social media. I've got LinkedIn,"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2137.96,"endTime":2140.09,"body":"but I don't check a whole lot."},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2137.96,"endTime":2140.09,"body":"So I think emails are the best"},{"speaker":"Wes Schwie","startTime":2140.09,"endTime":2147.53,"body":"way to go."},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2147.71,"endTime":2149.18,"body":"But maybe you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2147.71,"endTime":2149.18,"body":"could have listed that too as"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2149.18,"endTime":2151.91,"body":"one of the ways to stay healthy."},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2149.18,"endTime":2151.91,"body":"I don't know. Personal personal"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2151.91,"endTime":2155.57,"body":"opinion. Yeah, for sure. Well,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Robison","startTime":2151.91,"endTime":2155.57,"body":"thank you for your time. 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