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Only certain"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3325.5,"endTime":3329.34,"body":"kinds, like web software, etc."},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3329.34,"endTime":3333.0,"body":"But nevertheless finds the bugs"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3329.34,"endTime":3333.0,"body":"in the software for you. That's"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3333.0,"endTime":3335.49,"body":"pretty amazing. And it uses the"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3333.0,"endTime":3335.49,"body":"software the way humans would"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3335.49,"endTime":3338.34,"body":"and says, Hmm, that doesn't look"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3335.49,"endTime":3338.34,"body":"right, or this didn't come out,"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3338.34,"endTime":3340.7999999999997,"body":"right, or that request to the"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3338.34,"endTime":3340.7999999999997,"body":"server didn't happen or whatever"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3340.7999999999997,"endTime":3343.2599999999998,"body":"happens, right? Without writing"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3340.7999999999997,"endTime":3343.2599999999998,"body":"test scripts, which is what we"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3343.29,"endTime":3347.97,"body":"traditionally did. 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Perfect."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3365.43,"endTime":3367.11,"body":"Great. Well,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3365.43,"endTime":3367.11,"body":"Kevin, thank you so much this"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3367.11,"endTime":3371.85,"body":"podcast. Awesome. We appreciate"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3367.11,"endTime":3371.85,"body":"that. All right. Well, thank you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3371.85,"endTime":3374.22,"body":"so much for your time today,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3371.85,"endTime":3374.22,"body":"Kevin. I really appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3374.5789999999997,"endTime":3375.5389999999998,"body":"Thank you. There's"},{"speaker":"Kevin Surace","startTime":3374.5789999999997,"endTime":3375.5389999999998,"body":"a lot of fun."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3379.99,"endTime":3383.47,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3379.99,"endTime":3383.47,"body":"founder of pipeline design and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3383.47,"endTime":3386.59,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3383.47,"endTime":3386.59,"body":"you heard Today please share the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3386.59,"endTime":3390.0099999999998,"body":"episode. 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