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So"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2483.64,"endTime":2484.87,"body":"thanks again for being on the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2483.64,"endTime":2484.87,"body":"show."},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2485.11,"endTime":2487.6,"body":"Yeah, Thanks, Aaron,"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2485.11,"endTime":2487.6,"body":"I want to just thank you too. I"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2487.6,"endTime":2491.17,"body":"mean, who knew this chance"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2487.6,"endTime":2491.17,"body":"encounter with a vendor at some"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2491.17,"endTime":2496.12,"body":"conference would lead to this"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2491.17,"endTime":2496.12,"body":"cool, like relationship? I like"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2496.5099999999998,"endTime":2499.99,"body":"getting to know you better. It's"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2496.5099999999998,"endTime":2499.99,"body":"been really awesome. And I think"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2499.99,"endTime":2503.68,"body":"you have a really cool knack for"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2499.99,"endTime":2503.68,"body":"connecting people. And it's"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2503.68,"endTime":2505.0,"body":"great to, it's great to meet"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2503.68,"endTime":2505.0,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2505.63,"endTime":2508.15,"body":"Well, thank you."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2505.63,"endTime":2508.15,"body":"I'm gonna have to get that as a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2508.15,"endTime":2510.16,"body":"soundbite might put it all over"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2508.15,"endTime":2510.16,"body":"the place."},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2511.36,"endTime":2513.91,"body":"Send it to my mom,"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2511.36,"endTime":2513.91,"body":"she'll be so proud. Oh, I always"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2513.91,"endTime":2516.64,"body":"do that too whatever I'd get"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2513.91,"endTime":2516.64,"body":"what some good news. My mom"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2516.64,"endTime":2519.4,"body":"hears that first, right? Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2516.64,"endTime":2519.4,"body":"exactly."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2520.2999999999997,"endTime":2522.43,"body":"Okay. All right."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2520.2999999999997,"endTime":2522.43,"body":"Thank you so much, Erica."},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2522.49,"endTime":2523.45,"body":"Thank you. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Erica Kahn","startTime":2522.49,"endTime":2523.45,"body":"Aaron."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2525.58,"endTime":2529.09,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2525.58,"endTime":2529.09,"body":"founder of pipeline design, and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2529.12,"endTime":2531.94,"body":"engineering. 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