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How can people get"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2621.65,"endTime":2624.0499999999997,"body":"in touch with you?"},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2624.92,"endTime":2627.35,"body":"The best way to"},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2624.92,"endTime":2627.35,"body":"reach out to me is LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2627.38,"endTime":2630.32,"body":"Devon Copeland, feel free to"},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2627.38,"endTime":2630.32,"body":"shoot me a connection request."},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2630.59,"endTime":2633.17,"body":"I'd love to hear from any people"},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2630.59,"endTime":2633.17,"body":"working in the hardware"},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2633.17,"endTime":2637.43,"body":"engineering space. 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Devon, thank"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2655.07,"endTime":2657.17,"body":"you again."},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2657.32,"endTime":2658.46,"body":"Thanks so much"},{"speaker":"Devon Copeland","startTime":2657.32,"endTime":2658.46,"body":"for having me on."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2657.56,"endTime":2663.23,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2657.56,"endTime":2663.23,"body":"founder of pipeline design and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2663.2599999999998,"endTime":2666.11,"body":"engineering. 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