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If I dropped it, can I"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1024.99,"endTime":1027.47,"body":"pick it Can I pick it back up"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1024.99,"endTime":1027.47,"body":"and put it in the correct place?"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1027.77,"endTime":1031.61,"body":"And, you know, not let me"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1027.77,"endTime":1031.61,"body":"reassess the situation and is it"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1031.61,"endTime":1035.51,"body":"correct, being able to have"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1031.61,"endTime":1035.51,"body":"that, that high level logic is"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1035.51,"endTime":1038.45,"body":"something where I think AI and"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1035.51,"endTime":1038.45,"body":"robot, robot robotics are really"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1038.45,"endTime":1042.05,"body":"going to merge quite well to"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1038.45,"endTime":1042.05,"body":"accelerate manufacturing scale"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1042.05,"endTime":1042.59,"body":"even more,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1042.89,"endTime":1045.67,"body":"if you were to"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1042.89,"endTime":1045.67,"body":"kind of part the curtains and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1045.67,"endTime":1048.61,"body":"shows behind the scenes. What AI"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1045.67,"endTime":1048.61,"body":"looks like behind the scenes?"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1048.61,"endTime":1052.03,"body":"What is that like, like? What"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1048.61,"endTime":1052.03,"body":"are some of the tools that are"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1052.03,"endTime":1057.13,"body":"commonly used to develop AI? Is"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1052.03,"endTime":1057.13,"body":"it just this massive database? I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1057.13,"endTime":1060.07,"body":"mean, I'm familiar with the term"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1057.13,"endTime":1060.07,"body":"neural network, but I admit I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1060.07,"endTime":1064.23,"body":"don't really know what that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1060.07,"endTime":1064.23,"body":"means. 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If you, if you if"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1264.77,"endTime":1267.23,"body":"the sensor touches a chemical,"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1264.77,"endTime":1267.23,"body":"it will create a chemical"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1267.23,"endTime":1270.3500000000001,"body":"reaction that sends a voltage"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1267.23,"endTime":1270.3500000000001,"body":"back to the computer. That's one"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":1270.3500000000001,"endTime":1276.95,"body":"way so you can also hear it. 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So I would say be very"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2745.6,"endTime":2748.32,"body":"careful about taking on"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2748.32,"endTime":2752.34,"body":"investment and making sure that"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2748.32,"endTime":2752.34,"body":"you properly vet investors and"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2752.52,"endTime":2755.4,"body":"in any idea or startup that"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2752.52,"endTime":2755.4,"body":"you're that you're building,"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2755.94,"endTime":2756.42,"body":"yeah,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2756.54,"endTime":2760.38,"body":"very insightful."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2756.54,"endTime":2760.38,"body":"Sounds like a hard one from from"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2760.38,"endTime":2766.16,"body":"experience. All right, I think"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2760.38,"endTime":2766.16,"body":"we'll, we'll end there. Cordell,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2766.16,"endTime":2769.88,"body":"this has been really a wonderful"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2766.16,"endTime":2769.88,"body":"conversation, super interesting."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2769.88,"endTime":2774.38,"body":"I have never really learned"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2769.88,"endTime":2774.38,"body":"anything about olfactory AI. I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2774.38,"endTime":2778.2799999999997,"body":"learned a lot today about the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2774.38,"endTime":2778.2799999999997,"body":"challenges where we are, where"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2778.2799999999997,"endTime":2784.52,"body":"we're, where we're going, and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2778.2799999999997,"endTime":2784.52,"body":"what a reassuring feeling it is"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2784.52,"endTime":2787.0,"body":"to know that there is. Super"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2784.52,"endTime":2787.0,"body":"smart people like you out there"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2787.0,"endTime":2790.96,"body":"who are investing their time and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2787.0,"endTime":2790.96,"body":"resources into bringing us into"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2790.96,"endTime":2796.42,"body":"that future, that that brings us"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2790.96,"endTime":2796.42,"body":"olfaction. I guess before we go,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2796.42,"endTime":2800.2599999999998,"body":"is there anything else that you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2796.42,"endTime":2800.2599999999998,"body":"think we should hit on, any, any"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2800.2599999999998,"endTime":2804.7599999999998,"body":"topics that we should discuss"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2800.2599999999998,"endTime":2804.7599999999998,"body":"before ending today?"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2805.9,"endTime":2808.14,"body":"No, the only"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2805.9,"endTime":2808.14,"body":"parting shot I'll make is I hope"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2808.14,"endTime":2812.2799999999997,"body":"that there are more investments"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2808.14,"endTime":2812.2799999999997,"body":"and innovation and research and"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2812.34,"endTime":2815.4,"body":"a lot more smart people that go"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2812.34,"endTime":2815.4,"body":"into the field of olfaction to"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2815.4,"endTime":2821.94,"body":"try to raise that industry up to"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2815.4,"endTime":2821.94,"body":"the potential that it has. And I"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2821.94,"endTime":2824.94,"body":"hope that I can make a lasting"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2821.94,"endTime":2824.94,"body":"impact in the field, and I"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2824.94,"endTime":2829.64,"body":"intend to. And yeah, I hope that"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2824.94,"endTime":2829.64,"body":"if you're interested in the"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2829.64,"endTime":2832.7,"body":"field, please follow me on X or"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2829.64,"endTime":2832.7,"body":"LinkedIn. I try to post a lot"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2832.7,"endTime":2836.66,"body":"about olfaction and the"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2832.7,"endTime":2836.66,"body":"interesting applications of it,"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2836.66,"endTime":2839.72,"body":"state of the art, of the"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2836.66,"endTime":2839.72,"body":"technology, to try to solicit"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2839.72,"endTime":2844.64,"body":"more insight and solicit more"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2839.72,"endTime":2844.64,"body":"excitement for the industry. But"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2845.06,"endTime":2849.58,"body":"yeah, I think to all engineers"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2845.06,"endTime":2849.58,"body":"out there, you know, the world"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2849.58,"endTime":2852.7,"body":"moves forward because of us, and"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2849.58,"endTime":2852.7,"body":"largely because of us and"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2852.7,"endTime":2855.94,"body":"others, but engineering is a"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2852.7,"endTime":2855.94,"body":"fantastic discipline, because"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2856.18,"endTime":2859.9,"body":"we're the ones that create the"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2856.18,"endTime":2859.9,"body":"magic in the world. So thank you"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2859.9,"endTime":2862.42,"body":"to your listeners, and thank you"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2859.9,"endTime":2862.42,"body":"to you for hosting an amazing"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2862.42,"endTime":2862.84,"body":"podcast."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2863.08,"endTime":2865.84,"body":"I agree, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2863.08,"endTime":2865.84,"body":"engineers are the unsung heroes"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2865.84,"endTime":2870.7799999999997,"body":"of the world. And who was it?"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2865.84,"endTime":2870.7799999999997,"body":"Someone said that magic is just"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2870.7799999999997,"endTime":2874.32,"body":"just technology that we don't"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2870.7799999999997,"endTime":2874.32,"body":"yet understand, right? So in a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2874.32,"endTime":2877.56,"body":"very real sense, I think you're"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2874.32,"endTime":2877.56,"body":"correct that engineers are"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2877.56,"endTime":2879.36,"body":"bringing magic into the world."},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2879.7799999999997,"endTime":2881.04,"body":"I agree. Well,"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2879.7799999999997,"endTime":2881.04,"body":"thank"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2881.04,"endTime":2883.74,"body":"you so much for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2881.04,"endTime":2883.74,"body":"for being on the show today."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2883.7999999999997,"endTime":2887.48,"body":"Cordell, really appreciate you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2883.7999999999997,"endTime":2887.48,"body":"sharing your time with us."},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2887.94,"endTime":2889.7999999999997,"body":"Thank you, Aaron"},{"speaker":"Kordel France","startTime":2887.94,"endTime":2889.7999999999997,"body":"and to your listeners."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2891.7999999999997,"endTime":2895.34,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2891.7999999999997,"endTime":2895.34,"body":"founder of pipeline design and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2895.34,"endTime":2898.22,"body":"engineering. 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To"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2915.34,"endTime":2919.06,"body":"join a vibrant community of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2915.34,"endTime":2919.06,"body":"engineers online. Visit the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2919.06,"endTime":2922.42,"body":"wave. Dot, engineer, thank you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2919.06,"endTime":2922.42,"body":"for listening. You."}]}