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You know?"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3063.859,"endTime":3066.519,"body":"Well, I'm very"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3063.859,"endTime":3066.519,"body":"grateful that you didn't say no"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3066.519,"endTime":3072.639,"body":"to the podcast. Thanks. So I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3066.519,"endTime":3072.639,"body":"guess I think that's probably it"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3072.639,"endTime":3077.259,"body":"for now. We should wrap up. How"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3072.639,"endTime":3077.259,"body":"can speaking of the LinkedIn"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3077.379,"endTime":3081.099,"body":"squiggle that you have? How can"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3077.379,"endTime":3081.099,"body":"people get a hold of you?"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3081.34,"endTime":3083.7999999999997,"body":"LinkedIn is probably"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3081.34,"endTime":3083.7999999999997,"body":"the best and most convenient"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3083.7999999999997,"endTime":3086.58,"body":"way. I'm Rob Donnelly on"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3083.7999999999997,"endTime":3086.58,"body":"LinkedIn. And I think it lists"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3086.58,"endTime":3089.16,"body":"that I have a professional"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3086.58,"endTime":3089.16,"body":"engineer license and an MBA on"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3089.16,"endTime":3091.08,"body":"there too, so you probably can't"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3089.16,"endTime":3091.08,"body":"miss the name."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3091.859,"endTime":3093.719,"body":"Excellent,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3091.859,"endTime":3093.719,"body":"excellent. Well, Rob, thank you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3093.719,"endTime":3097.319,"body":"so much. Again, there were so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3093.719,"endTime":3097.319,"body":"many questions. In all honesty,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3097.319,"endTime":3100.379,"body":"I think I had more questions"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3097.319,"endTime":3100.379,"body":"ready to ask you than anyone"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3100.379,"endTime":3104.5789999999997,"body":"else I've interviewed to date."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3100.379,"endTime":3104.5789999999997,"body":"So that probably just says a lot"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3104.5789999999997,"endTime":3107.659,"body":"about you and all that you've"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3104.5789999999997,"endTime":3107.659,"body":"done and all the experience and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3107.659,"endTime":3111.139,"body":"expertise that you have. 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