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So thank you."},{"speaker":"Bob Hankins","startTime":2437.7799999999997,"endTime":2440.6,"body":"How can people get"},{"speaker":"Bob Hankins","startTime":2437.7799999999997,"endTime":2440.6,"body":"in touch with you? You know,"},{"speaker":"Bob Hankins","startTime":2440.66,"endTime":2443.12,"body":"just the same way you got in"},{"speaker":"Bob Hankins","startTime":2440.66,"endTime":2443.12,"body":"touch with me through LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Bob Hankins","startTime":2443.12,"endTime":2449.7799999999997,"body":"So I am on LinkedIn under Robert"},{"speaker":"Bob Hankins","startTime":2443.12,"endTime":2449.7799999999997,"body":"hickens, you'll find that. 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