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Where can people go to"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2916.31,"endTime":2921.49,"body":"either get in touch with you or"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2921.6699999999996,"endTime":2923.74,"body":"to learn more about Bossy"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2921.6699999999996,"endTime":2923.74,"body":"Tamper."},{"speaker":"Daniel Kurnianto","startTime":2924.5499999999997,"endTime":2927.22,"body":"Yeah, so I'm"},{"speaker":"Daniel Kurnianto","startTime":2924.5499999999997,"endTime":2927.22,"body":"pretty active on Instagram,"},{"speaker":"Daniel Kurnianto","startTime":2927.3399999999997,"endTime":2931.8399999999997,"body":"meaning like I post a lot"},{"speaker":"Daniel Kurnianto","startTime":2927.3399999999997,"endTime":2931.8399999999997,"body":"because that is my marketing"},{"speaker":"Daniel Kurnianto","startTime":2931.93,"endTime":2939.19,"body":"channel, and hoping to grow in"},{"speaker":"Daniel Kurnianto","startTime":2931.93,"endTime":2939.19,"body":"any direction. 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