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Karl's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":24.57,"endTime":29.19,"body":"background is in controls and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":29.19,"endTime":34.08,"body":"systems engineering including"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":29.19,"endTime":34.08,"body":"PLC and HMI software. Karl,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":34.08,"endTime":35.19,"body":"welcome to the show."},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":35.76,"endTime":37.14,"body":"Thanks. Glad to be"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":35.76,"endTime":37.14,"body":"here."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":37.65,"endTime":40.65,"body":"I'm going to start"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":37.65,"endTime":40.65,"body":"off with a very softball"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":40.65,"endTime":45.21,"body":"question for you. 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How are they used?"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":61.08,"endTime":64.68,"body":"Sure, so PLC is a"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":61.08,"endTime":64.68,"body":"programmable logic controller"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":65.37,"endTime":71.97,"body":"takes inputs and outputs from"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":65.37,"endTime":71.97,"body":"sensors, turns on valves motors,"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":72.03,"endTime":74.88,"body":"a variety of things,"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":72.03,"endTime":74.88,"body":"applications can be done with it"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":74.88,"endTime":79.95,"body":"analog signals. And it's used to"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":74.88,"endTime":79.95,"body":"be the brains of a piece of"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":79.95,"endTime":84.06,"body":"equipment. 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Any"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1802.87,"endTime":1806.29,"body":"strategies that you've found"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1806.32,"endTime":1810.22,"body":"over the years to deal with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1806.32,"endTime":1810.22,"body":"timelines and schedules, making"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1810.22,"endTime":1811.81,"body":"sure things get done on time?"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1812.35,"endTime":1815.2,"body":"I'd say prototyping"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1812.35,"endTime":1815.2,"body":"is one of the bigger things that"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1815.2,"endTime":1821.32,"body":"we that has made us successful."},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1815.2,"endTime":1821.32,"body":"It's just, you know, looking at"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1821.32,"endTime":1827.32,"body":"those very critical parts of a"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1821.32,"endTime":1827.32,"body":"design, taking on those first"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1827.32,"endTime":1830.74,"body":"and looking at them and then"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1827.32,"endTime":1830.74,"body":"building around that which I"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1830.86,"endTime":1836.3799999999999,"body":"think that's helped us be more"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1830.86,"endTime":1836.3799999999999,"body":"successful with with more"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1836.9199999999998,"endTime":1838.4199999999998,"body":"complicated designs."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1839.08,"endTime":1842.1699999999998,"body":"Yeah, okay. 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And building"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1845.08,"endTime":1848.6499999999999,"body":"Legos is a perfectly acceptable"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1848.6499999999999,"endTime":1849.1299999999999,"body":"answer."},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1850.09,"endTime":1854.29,"body":"Working on old cars"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1850.09,"endTime":1854.29,"body":"and mountain biking, probably to"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1854.29,"endTime":1854.95,"body":"bigger ones."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1855.37,"endTime":1857.77,"body":"Oh, there are some"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1855.37,"endTime":1857.77,"body":"nice mountain bike trails from"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1857.77,"endTime":1859.45,"body":"what I hear up in Flagstaff."},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1859.75,"endTime":1863.8,"body":"Yep. And it's nice"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1859.75,"endTime":1863.8,"body":"all year round. So, well, I"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1863.8,"endTime":1866.6799999999998,"body":"shouldn't say year round because"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1863.8,"endTime":1866.6799999999998,"body":"we get the snow. So we can't"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1866.6799999999998,"endTime":1867.04,"body":"ride there."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1867.04,"endTime":1867.49,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1867.55,"endTime":1870.58,"body":"You know, once the"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1867.55,"endTime":1870.58,"body":"snow stops, the weather's pretty"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1870.58,"endTime":1873.31,"body":"nice. And yeah, there's a lot of"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1870.58,"endTime":1873.31,"body":"trails up here."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1873.52,"endTime":1876.9099999999999,"body":"Beautiful,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1873.52,"endTime":1876.9099999999999,"body":"beautiful. Well, Karl, how can"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1876.9099999999999,"endTime":1881.05,"body":"people get a hold of you?"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1876.9099999999999,"endTime":1881.05,"body":"Whether it's, personally or"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1881.05,"endTime":1883.84,"body":"through the company? What's the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1881.05,"endTime":1883.84,"body":"best way to for people to reach"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1883.84,"endTime":1884.1399999999999,"body":"out?"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1884.86,"endTime":1886.72,"body":"Yeah, I mean, if"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1884.86,"endTime":1886.72,"body":"they wanted to contact Machine"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1886.72,"endTime":1889.21,"body":"Solutions, of course, you can"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1886.72,"endTime":1889.21,"body":"look us up,"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1889.81,"endTime":1893.77,"body":"machinesolutions.com. If they"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1889.81,"endTime":1893.77,"body":"wanted to contact me personally,"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1893.8,"endTime":1896.8899999999999,"body":"I can give you my personal email"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1893.8,"endTime":1896.8899999999999,"body":"address."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1897.25,"endTime":1900.1299999999999,"body":"Okay. Yep. And"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1897.25,"endTime":1900.1299999999999,"body":"you're on LinkedIn as well, I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1900.1299999999999,"endTime":1900.82,"body":"believe, right?"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1900.94,"endTime":1903.76,"body":"Correct. Yep. So"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1900.94,"endTime":1903.76,"body":"yeah, they absolutely reach me"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1903.76,"endTime":1904.45,"body":"through that. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1905.08,"endTime":1908.26,"body":"Great. Great."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1905.08,"endTime":1908.26,"body":"Well, Karl, thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1908.26,"endTime":1911.23,"body":"for for spending your time with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1908.26,"endTime":1911.23,"body":"us today. It's been really"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1911.23,"endTime":1914.29,"body":"interested in hearing your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1911.23,"endTime":1914.29,"body":"perspective and some of your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1914.29,"endTime":1917.23,"body":"stories about controls"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1914.29,"endTime":1917.23,"body":"engineering. You actually the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1917.23,"endTime":1920.02,"body":"first controls engineer that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1917.23,"endTime":1920.02,"body":"we've had on the show. So this"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1920.02,"endTime":1921.19,"body":"has been really fun. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1921.52,"endTime":1924.46,"body":"Cool. Yeah. Glad to"},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1921.52,"endTime":1924.46,"body":"be be on here. It's been fun."},{"speaker":"Karl Gerety","startTime":1924.46,"endTime":1924.7,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1925.27,"endTime":1926.77,"body":"All right. Well,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1925.27,"endTime":1926.77,"body":"that's all we have for this"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":1926.77,"endTime":1929.26,"body":"time. 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