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No, we're not gonna do"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3010.37,"endTime":3012.7999999999997,"body":"that. Yes, let's let's do that."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3013.64,"endTime":3016.52,"body":"So I'm very"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3013.64,"endTime":3016.52,"body":"grateful that you didn't say no"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3016.52,"endTime":3017.6,"body":"to the podcast."},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3018.8599999999997,"endTime":3019.43,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3020.18,"endTime":3023.21,"body":"So I guess I think"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3020.18,"endTime":3023.21,"body":"that's probably it. For now, we"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3023.21,"endTime":3027.2599999999998,"body":"should wrap up. How can,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3023.21,"endTime":3027.2599999999998,"body":"speaking of the LinkedIn"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3027.3799999999997,"endTime":3031.0699999999997,"body":"squiggle that you have, how can"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3027.3799999999997,"endTime":3031.0699999999997,"body":"people get ahold of you?"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3031.3999999999996,"endTime":3033.56,"body":"LinkedIn is probably"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3031.3999999999996,"endTime":3033.56,"body":"the best and most convenient"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3033.56,"endTime":3037.0699999999997,"body":"way. I'm Rob Donley on LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3033.56,"endTime":3037.0699999999997,"body":"I think it listed I have a"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3037.0699999999997,"endTime":3039.7999999999997,"body":"professional engineer license"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3037.0699999999997,"endTime":3039.7999999999997,"body":"and an MBA on there too. So you"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3039.7999999999997,"endTime":3041.12,"body":"probably can't miss the name."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3041.87,"endTime":3043.7,"body":"Excellent."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3041.87,"endTime":3043.7,"body":"Excellent. Well, Rob, thank you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3043.7,"endTime":3047.2999999999997,"body":"so much. Again, there was so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3043.7,"endTime":3047.2999999999997,"body":"many questions. In all honesty,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3047.2999999999997,"endTime":3050.3599999999997,"body":"I think I had more questions"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3047.2999999999997,"endTime":3050.3599999999997,"body":"ready to ask you than anyone"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3050.3599999999997,"endTime":3054.62,"body":"else I've interviewed to date."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3050.3599999999997,"endTime":3054.62,"body":"So that probably just says a lot"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3054.62,"endTime":3057.74,"body":"about you and all that you've"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3054.62,"endTime":3057.74,"body":"done and all the experience and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3057.74,"endTime":3061.1299999999997,"body":"expertise that you have. So"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3057.74,"endTime":3061.1299999999997,"body":"thank you for for sharing that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3061.1299999999997,"endTime":3062.5699999999997,"body":"with us today on the podcast."},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3062.72,"endTime":3063.89,"body":"Thank you. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Rob Donley","startTime":3062.72,"endTime":3063.89,"body":"for having me."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3067.46,"endTime":3070.79,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3067.46,"endTime":3070.79,"body":"Founder of Pipeline Design \u0026"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3070.79,"endTime":3073.97,"body":"Engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3070.79,"endTime":3073.97,"body":"you heard today, please leave us"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3073.97,"endTime":3076.94,"body":"a positive review. 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