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Your true boundarie"},{"speaker":"Ed Kernick","startTime":2988.06,"endTime":2989.11,"body":"?"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2989.39,"endTime":2991.79,"body":"Exactly, exactly."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2989.39,"endTime":2991.79,"body":"All right, that's gonna good and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2991.79,"endTime":2994.46,"body":"part of the title for this"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2991.79,"endTime":2994.46,"body":"podcast define the boundaries."},{"speaker":"Ed Kernick","startTime":2994.52,"endTime":2995.7799999999997,"body":"Yeah, I like it."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2996.2599999999998,"endTime":2998.45,"body":"All right. Well,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2996.2599999999998,"endTime":2998.45,"body":"Ed, thank you so much for your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2998.45,"endTime":3002.14,"body":"time. I know you're a busy guy."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2998.45,"endTime":3002.14,"body":"I really appreciate you take"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3002.14,"endTime":3005.08,"body":"this time out to sit down and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3002.14,"endTime":3005.08,"body":"just to talk with me share some"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3005.08,"endTime":3008.62,"body":"of your wisdom and and your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3005.08,"endTime":3008.62,"body":"background. So this has been"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3008.62,"endTime":3010.57,"body":"excellent. Thank you very much."},{"speaker":"Ed Kernick","startTime":3011.0499999999997,"endTime":3013.0,"body":"Appreciate it. Nice"},{"speaker":"Ed Kernick","startTime":3011.0499999999997,"endTime":3013.0,"body":"to meet you. And thanks for"},{"speaker":"Ed Kernick","startTime":3013.0,"endTime":3013.54,"body":"having me on."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3017.02,"endTime":3020.35,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3017.02,"endTime":3020.35,"body":"Founder of Pipeline Design \u0026"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3020.35,"endTime":3023.5299999999997,"body":"Engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3020.35,"endTime":3023.5299999999997,"body":"you heard today, please leave us"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3023.5299999999997,"endTime":3026.5,"body":"a positive review. It really"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3023.5299999999997,"endTime":3026.5,"body":"helps other people find the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3026.5,"endTime":3029.86,"body":"show. To learn how your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3026.5,"endTime":3029.86,"body":"engineering team can leverage"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3029.89,"endTime":3033.43,"body":"our team's expertise in"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3029.89,"endTime":3033.43,"body":"developing turnkey custom test"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3033.43,"endTime":3037.93,"body":"fixtures, automated equipment"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3033.43,"endTime":3037.93,"body":"and product design, visit us at"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3038.17,"endTime":3042.49,"body":"testfixturedesign.com. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3038.17,"endTime":3042.49,"body":"for listening."}]}