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I'm not sure if you're"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2773.5299999999997,"endTime":2775.93,"body":"going to be able to put up a"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2775.93,"endTime":2778.72,"body":"link or if you want me to spell"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2775.93,"endTime":2778.72,"body":"my name out."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2778.72,"endTime":2778.7799999999997,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2778.7799999999997,"endTime":2780.22,"body":"Well, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2778.7799999999997,"endTime":2780.22,"body":"I'd say LinkedIn is your best"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2780.22,"endTime":2783.13,"body":"option there. It's got my my"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2780.22,"endTime":2783.13,"body":"resume and my background there"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2783.13,"endTime":2786.58,"body":"and I'm always willing to give"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2783.13,"endTime":2786.58,"body":"more detail around things that"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2786.58,"endTime":2790.39,"body":"I've done in the past and have"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2786.58,"endTime":2790.39,"body":"those conversations with with"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2790.39,"endTime":2792.5499999999997,"body":"anyone who's willing to reach"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2790.39,"endTime":2792.5499999999997,"body":"out to me on LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2792.73,"endTime":2795.0099999999998,"body":"Excellent. All"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2792.73,"endTime":2795.0099999999998,"body":"right. All right. Well, Jorge,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2795.04,"endTime":2797.71,"body":"thank you so much for spending"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2795.04,"endTime":2797.71,"body":"some time with us. I know that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2797.71,"endTime":2801.46,"body":"you're a busy man. So I really"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2797.71,"endTime":2801.46,"body":"appreciate and I'm grateful for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2801.46,"endTime":2805.27,"body":"the time that you carved out of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2801.46,"endTime":2805.27,"body":"your day to just talk about your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2805.27,"endTime":2808.54,"body":"past and share with us some of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2805.27,"endTime":2808.54,"body":"your insight and wisdom. Thank"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2808.54,"endTime":2808.66,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2808.84,"endTime":2810.79,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2808.84,"endTime":2810.79,"body":"It's great meeting you and best"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2810.79,"endTime":2813.58,"body":"of luck with the business you're"},{"speaker":"Jorge de Freitas","startTime":2810.79,"endTime":2813.58,"body":"running. I appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2817.0299999999997,"endTime":2820.36,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2817.0299999999997,"endTime":2820.36,"body":"Founder of Pipeline Design \u0026"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2820.36,"endTime":2823.54,"body":"Engineering. 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