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I"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2522.0899999999997,"endTime":2526.77,"body":"really think it's it's important"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2526.77,"endTime":2529.95,"body":"to let people play to their"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2526.77,"endTime":2529.95,"body":"strengths. Everybody wins when"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2529.98,"endTime":2535.68,"body":"when people are playing to their"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2529.98,"endTime":2535.68,"body":"strengths. So I that's how the"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2535.68,"endTime":2537.99,"body":"advice I give to most people"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2535.68,"endTime":2537.99,"body":"that work for me."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2538.3199999999997,"endTime":2541.35,"body":"That's that's very"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2538.3199999999997,"endTime":2541.35,"body":"sage advice. And it sounds to me"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2541.35,"endTime":2546.66,"body":"like, what you're advocating is"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2541.35,"endTime":2546.66,"body":"just personal reflection, right."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2546.99,"endTime":2550.14,"body":"And I love that you gave a plug"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2546.99,"endTime":2550.14,"body":"to the lists, right list"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2550.14,"endTime":2554.8199999999997,"body":"keeping. 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And I wrote it down on"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2603.75,"endTime":2607.02,"body":"my list. And I have now probably"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2607.02,"endTime":2610.71,"body":"a dozen of these things. Right"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2607.02,"endTime":2610.71,"body":"that I probably would not"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2610.71,"endTime":2612.21,"body":"remember at this point in time."},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2612.21,"endTime":2612.45,"body":"Exactly"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2612.45,"endTime":2615.27,"body":"Had I not written"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2612.45,"endTime":2615.27,"body":"them all down. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2615.42,"endTime":2618.5099999999998,"body":"Yeah. 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Right."},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2626.49,"endTime":2629.94,"body":"But being conscious"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2626.49,"endTime":2629.94,"body":"enough to to write it down so"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2629.94,"endTime":2632.73,"body":"that you can think about it"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2629.94,"endTime":2632.73,"body":"later and say, 'Okay, I"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2632.73,"endTime":2634.14,"body":"definitely see a pattern here.'"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2634.7999999999997,"endTime":2635.46,"body":"Yes"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2635.52,"endTime":2637.35,"body":"I think that's I"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2635.52,"endTime":2637.35,"body":"think it's so important."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2638.0099999999998,"endTime":2642.45,"body":"I agree. 100% It's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2638.0099999999998,"endTime":2642.45,"body":"huge. 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I nothing comes to"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2654.18,"endTime":2655.83,"body":"mind that I am dying to tell"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2654.18,"endTime":2655.83,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2657.24,"endTime":2660.3599999999997,"body":"Okay, fair enough."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2657.24,"endTime":2660.3599999999997,"body":"Well, in that case, how can"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2660.3599999999997,"endTime":2662.67,"body":"people get a hold of you or your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2660.3599999999997,"endTime":2662.67,"body":"company?"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2663.5099999999998,"endTime":2664.95,"body":"Probably the"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2663.5099999999998,"endTime":2664.95,"body":"easiest way to get ahold of me"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2664.95,"endTime":2669.06,"body":"is through LinkedIn. Give me,I"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2664.95,"endTime":2669.06,"body":"do answer my messages. Sometimes"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2669.06,"endTime":2672.99,"body":"it takes a while. I am not, I am"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2669.06,"endTime":2672.99,"body":"not on there every day, but I"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2672.99,"endTime":2677.0099999999998,"body":"do. I do check in there. So that"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2672.99,"endTime":2677.0099999999998,"body":"is probably the best way, the"},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2677.0099999999998,"endTime":2678.0299999999997,"body":"best way to get a hold of me."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2678.45,"endTime":2681.0899999999997,"body":"Okay, terrific."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2678.45,"endTime":2681.0899999999997,"body":"Well, Lynne, thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2681.0899999999997,"endTime":2683.67,"body":"for being on the show today. I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2681.0899999999997,"endTime":2683.67,"body":"really appreciate your time and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2683.67,"endTime":2684.96,"body":"sharing with us all this wisdom."},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2685.43,"endTime":2687.08,"body":"You're welcome."},{"speaker":"Lynne Shwed","startTime":2685.43,"endTime":2687.08,"body":"Thank you. 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