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Thank"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1484.71,"endTime":1487.3500000000001,"body":"you so much for a golden nugget."},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1487.3500000000001,"endTime":1489.5700000000002,"body":"So everyone that's listening"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1487.3500000000001,"endTime":1489.5700000000002,"body":"right now, if you're driving,"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1489.5700000000002,"endTime":1492.8700000000001,"body":"just make a mental note that"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1489.5700000000002,"endTime":1492.8700000000001,"body":"whenever you go to McMaster and"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1492.8700000000001,"endTime":1495.9,"body":"you're looking for a specific"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1492.8700000000001,"endTime":1495.9,"body":"piece of hardware, don't just"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1495.93,"endTime":1498.3,"body":"stop the search when you find"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1495.93,"endTime":1498.3,"body":"what you were looking for,"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1498.48,"endTime":1501.72,"body":"actually take the time to look"},{"speaker":"Rafael Testai","startTime":1498.48,"endTime":1501.72,"body":"at the section. 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