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Well, Liz, how can"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3219.32,"endTime":3220.34,"body":"people get a hold of you?"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3220.73,"endTime":3223.4,"body":"Oh, well, Aaron, I'm"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3220.73,"endTime":3223.4,"body":"definitely open to chatting with"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3223.4,"endTime":3226.79,"body":"people. They can. LinkedIn is"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3223.4,"endTime":3226.79,"body":"probably the best way for people"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3226.79,"endTime":3230.54,"body":"to reach out to me. So if you"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3226.79,"endTime":3230.54,"body":"find Elizabeth Zettel nuts,"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3230.6,"endTime":3236.6,"body":"ZETTEL on LinkedIn, I'll come"},{"speaker":"Liz Zettel","startTime":3230.6,"endTime":3236.6,"body":"up. There's not too many. 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