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Well, one more"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2544.84,"endTime":2548.2599999999998,"body":"question for you, and then we'll"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2544.84,"endTime":2548.2599999999998,"body":"wrap this up, what are some of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2548.2599999999998,"endTime":2552.0099999999998,"body":"the biggest challenges that you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2548.2599999999998,"endTime":2552.0099999999998,"body":"run into at work?"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2552.5499999999997,"endTime":2556.75,"body":"Well, we always"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2552.5499999999997,"endTime":2556.75,"body":"have the challenge of trying to"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2556.75,"endTime":2561.58,"body":"obviously, you know, solve a"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2556.75,"endTime":2561.58,"body":"problem in an efficient manner."},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2562.63,"endTime":2566.2,"body":"both time and obviously cost"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2562.63,"endTime":2566.2,"body":"and, and is, you know, in the"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2566.2,"endTime":2568.75,"body":"medical world schedule, his"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2566.2,"endTime":2568.75,"body":"schedule is always King, whether"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2568.75,"endTime":2572.14,"body":"it's a no big client or a little"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2568.75,"endTime":2572.14,"body":"client, you know, you really got"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2572.14,"endTime":2577.0,"body":"to meet the schedule. 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We are able to"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2591.82,"endTime":2595.75,"body":"address a lot of those types of"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2591.82,"endTime":2595.75,"body":"things a lot of times with, with"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2595.75,"endTime":2598.0299999999997,"body":"just some of the information"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2595.75,"endTime":2598.0299999999997,"body":"that we communicate and how we"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2598.0299999999997,"endTime":2600.07,"body":"communicate it. And that's"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2598.0299999999997,"endTime":2600.07,"body":"that's kind of another challenge"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2600.07,"endTime":2604.33,"body":"that we have. But once you do"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2600.07,"endTime":2604.33,"body":"that, it seems like it, goes a"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2604.33,"endTime":2604.93,"body":"lot smoother."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2605.56,"endTime":2608.77,"body":"Communication, a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2605.56,"endTime":2608.77,"body":"lot of answers always find their"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2608.77,"endTime":2613.48,"body":"way back to effective"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2608.77,"endTime":2613.48,"body":"communication. Well, Bill, this"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2613.48,"endTime":2617.5,"body":"has been delightful. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2613.48,"endTime":2617.5,"body":"for spending some time with me"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2617.5,"endTime":2620.2,"body":"today. How can people get ahold"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2617.5,"endTime":2620.2,"body":"of you?"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2621.52,"endTime":2623.41,"body":"I'm on LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2621.52,"endTime":2623.41,"body":"So you can find me there. That's"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2623.41,"endTime":2627.31,"body":"probably the easiest way. But"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2623.41,"endTime":2627.31,"body":"you're also welcome to email me"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2627.31,"endTime":2629.92,"body":"directly if you want to. It's"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2627.31,"endTime":2629.92,"body":"Atterberry. Last name,"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2632.74,"endTime":2637.27,"body":"atterbury@battelle.org. We are"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2632.74,"endTime":2637.27,"body":"an org. that's spelled BATTELLE."},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2637.99,"endTime":2639.37,"body":"So you can reach me that way"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2637.99,"endTime":2639.37,"body":"toO."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2639.64,"endTime":2642.52,"body":"Terrific, thank"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2639.64,"endTime":2642.52,"body":"you. Is there anything else that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2642.52,"endTime":2644.2,"body":"we should have talked about"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2642.52,"endTime":2644.2,"body":"that? We haven't?"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2644.83,"endTime":2646.7799999999997,"body":"I don't think"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2644.83,"endTime":2646.7799999999997,"body":"so. I think we covered a lot of"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2646.7799999999997,"endTime":2647.32,"body":"it. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2647.62,"endTime":2650.71,"body":"Okay. Terrific."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2647.62,"endTime":2650.71,"body":"Well, Bill, thank you again."},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2651.25,"endTime":2652.48,"body":"Okay, good talk"},{"speaker":"Bill Atterbury","startTime":2651.25,"endTime":2652.48,"body":"with you, Aaron."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2656.41,"endTime":2659.86,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncure,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2656.41,"endTime":2659.86,"body":"founder of Pipeline Design, and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2659.86,"endTime":2662.89,"body":"Engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2659.86,"endTime":2662.89,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2662.89,"endTime":2666.43,"body":"the episode. 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