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NBN - Episode XXIX: Beer Capital, USA

August 14, 2018 Nothing But Net
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NBN - Episode XXIX: Beer Capital, USA
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NBN - Episode XXIX: Beer Capital, USA
Aug 14, 2018
Nothing But Net
NBN's International Series continues with a journey to the Great Lakes where our own Paddy McFadden is on hand to give the pod the latest on the NFL's "kneel-gate", soccer-ball and Lebron. Politics may rear it's ugly, orange and ludicrously combed-over head in this one - you have been warned!
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NBN's International Series continues with a journey to the Great Lakes where our own Paddy McFadden is on hand to give the pod the latest on the NFL's "kneel-gate", soccer-ball and Lebron. Politics may rear it's ugly, orange and ludicrously combed-over head in this one - you have been warned!
Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

okay,

Speaker 1:

welcome back. Listen to nothing but net. This is the second in a series of podcasts we're doing with correspondence overseas. I'm very lucky to be joined by Finn Toner. Hello. Good evening, Roberts and on line all the way from grand rapids, America. Nothing but nets own. Patrick. Patrick, how are you? I am very well. Robert, how are you? Sure. I'm very good. I'm very good. Thanks for asking. Listen, Patrick is out in America doing things that were not allowed to speak about public friends. Right. And you have to say he's found his niche. He has found his niche. That's one that's a gag for the real hardcore committed to excellent. And I'm eating a croissant as we speak, and I was playing golf in the old guard. The memories. Anyway, let's snap back to the reality and we're rubbing a vomit on his sweater already. Moms Spaghetti, you know Patrick, grand rapids reputedly the beer capital of the United States, correct? Absolutely. Beer City USA. Is it? Is it just craft beer and mustaches and questionable body hygiene, nfr things, that sort of thing. How do you fit right in there? Met, is that it? Then it just loads of breweries. There's some real big ones. Have you ever heard of finders? Finders is in grand rapids. They make. They make all day IPA and can you? Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, it's good to see you avoiding calls light anyway, but I think when we were doing the sound check just before you said that, you may know some famous alumni where they are they called ground rep. He didn't grind rob. He'd grab Indians. I'm rapidian I believe is the correct. The correct terminology. Yeah. Canada. Katsu enlightened the listener. Yeah. Do you want me to do like joint give you clues and see if you can guess what you want me to just go. Let's play. Let's play a quick game or if yes or no, so. Okay, go ahead. You ask any questions? Is it a man? Yes. Is He American? Yes. Obviously if he's from grand rapids, he has to be American. Very American attitude. He's just. Must be certain. Ryan. Patrick, is he. Is he a sports person? Yes. I'm allison sport as we would traditionally of it.

Speaker 3:

No, it's certainly a more worldwide sport. He's a soccer player. No, no. Tennis, badminton, tennis, squash. Get. Nope. No, not rackets. More along the lines of like an individual sport rather than a team sport at. Nope. Nope.

Speaker 1:

Uh, I clue.

Speaker 3:

Oh, the other. Well, he's probably better paid than a formula one driver.

Speaker 1:

Whoa. And he's not a golfer, correct? Cone fused afternoon. Easy. A track and field athlete. He is not. No. Is he a bitch? Sorry, just to clarify, going into space isn't a sport, but who is it? No, trust me. I'm an honest one of the generation that gives up early.

Speaker 3:

Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 1:

Oh my word. That's bad. We didn't get boxing. Well, boxing's the noble art. So it's not really. He didn't say anything about money, so we should have got that. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Parents. He's probably the only boxer. He's more than a formula one driver, but he's also to check the math on that one. Last

Speaker 1:

you asked the question are, but whether or not you were allowed to swear. The only real we've got is we're not complete balance, so sorry we have to move on. That's my name, Our Name, our where there are knots,

Speaker 3:

pretty hard to put a name on the same level as floyd mayweather, but I don't know so much buy in, you know, for the sake of moving on bulk, we'll get past it.

Speaker 1:

Thanks. Moving on. The national football league season is about to start. Yes. Pig skins will be thrown. Um, there's an issue that they haven't moved on from exactly the same as link. Nice. Um, uh, so I think what we might be referring to here is the slight controversy about kneeling down during the song I was referring to that. Yes. Can you give us the state side insight?

Speaker 3:

First of all, I think people, some people might be taken offense to calling it the song that you know her to the star spangled banner, one of the grit national anthems and the world. I would, uh,

Speaker 1:

that's a separate podcast. Got Them. But anyway.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. So you know, the NFL has been thrown into a bitter controversy that sweet because in May the nfl made a policy that said, um, to address this whole anthem protests situation that you either had to stand for the national or if you want it to protest, you couldn't do it right in the field. You had to stay in the dressing room before that, before the game. And so they did that on May 23rd. They didn't do it, they did it. I act consulting the players which got the player's Association Kinda Pretty Mad. And then this week they've been forced to freeze the policy after some information, commodified Miami dolphins making this policy that said, if anybody knew, they would suspend them for up to four games. A Jerry Jones, who's the owner of the Dallas cowboys, came out and said pretty much the same thing, that you wouldn't tolerate anybody breaking this law. And then Donald Trump got involved, had a squeaky. He tweeted and saying, saying, the NFL commissioner must not make a stent. Punishment should be first, first time for delinquent, for DM, second time, kneeling for the whole season without any pay, and so that's been going on for two years and essentially the NFL was right back to where it was two years ago. Not really knowing what to do with this situation.

Speaker 4:

No one's really, unless something happens between now and the first day of the season, no one's really sure what's going to happen.

Speaker 3:

Exactly. And at least there is no rule that says you can't kneel. Um, so I would expect,

Speaker 4:

I would expect that if you do then be brought down upon leaving. The thing is that when they, when they first started applying, that's when they went and asked a lot of veterans about what was a respectful way of doing it. That their initial objection was, I think he, he wasn't the Guy Colin Kapernick.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

He initially just sat on the bench. I didn't join in. And then the veteran veterans suggestion was a more respectful way of doing it is actually just to nailed in it. So it's, it's. I mean, the frustrating thing about are the kind of, the interesting thing about it is that there doesn't bear. The veterans voice doesn't seem to be heard in this debate. The knots, one of the normal things that happens when Americans come out and rob the flag and beat their chest. The importance of young things wrapped up with the military and treating veterans in the right way. They don't seem to have a voice in this bit.

Speaker 3:

Well, I wouldn't say that's completely true. I. I've been looking through the kind of comments that have been ongoing for the past couple years and essentially am. You're right. Kaepernick did talk to some veterans and you initially sat down. He has seen initially sat down for two games about anybody noticing. It was only on the third game that it had actually started to get reported because he was a backup quarterback. He wasn't a starter or a star. Cameras weren't on him at that time, so I presume it took like three weeks before someone was like, you know, white. Why are you sitting down? No, because of police brutality, oppression of people of color. But since the lots of different people have a lot of different opinions about it, you know, some veterans are, are okay with it, some are not. Some have different kind of am a stance as to what isn't appropriate protests and what isn't. The one thing that you can say for sure is that it's very divisive.

Speaker 4:

What is the average Joe in the street? Think about it.

Speaker 3:

Well, I want to say it's there. Yeah, exactly. It's, it's impossible to say because it depends on so many things. I think what I could sort of talk about is how the NFL has actually in a pretty tough position because on the one hand the players are 70 percent African American, but at least that's a group or broadly in support of the people protesting and the she's behind them. Whereas the people, the fans of the NFL, and I assume anyway from the NFL supposition must in general, or at least a majority of them are, a good proportion of them don't look upon these protests favorably and think that it is disrespectful. So they're having a tough or that, that line between their friends and their players. Both of them are important to their business. And then, um, you also have trump starting the whole thing up and making sure that it gets continuous publicity. And then the other thing is that the nfl or American football especially the NFL, is patriotism is part of the brand. It's called America's game. You know, there's the optimist played at every, at every game there's often military personnel doing different displays and it's kind of part of the national identity. So anything that kind of hurts that hurts that brand. And presumably hearts, there've been there, their business. But I think the one thing that it's sure in the whole thing is, is the person who seems to be benefiting the most from is Donald Trump because the more you keep starting it up with more publicity, he gets the kind of that better it is for him

Speaker 4:

probably. I think that is unfortunately, I don't think the NFL is in a top position at all. I think saying that is unfortunately complete horseshit. I think that there's a very right thing to do without getting too heavy, which is alarming and kind of respectful protest. I don't think. I think I'll end up on the wrong side of history in this one. The other, the other question that I've got an excuse about nfl isn't going to exist in 30 years after the game. If you look at the kind of the, the big C word, the concussion rates that our players have and the average lifespan in our players, but we're going somewhere else. Did like the. The kind of the average career, if their suppliers is going down and dine, there is an increasing awareness of the damage that concussion can duty. Do you think is essentially inherently unsustainable oriented, always going to exist because there are too many per folks on their way out of poverty.

Speaker 3:

Well, let me just pick it up on your first point about them not being in a tough position. I am the final word on that. First of all, I would say, you know what? The new date give giveaway to protest, you know, staying in the locker room. They give like an avenue that didn't founded art, right?

Speaker 4:

Yeah. Under the carpet is in the way of. That's not really facilitating respectful protest by the side of his eye is out of mind. How am I going to end the locker isn't really an option

Speaker 3:

if all of the. There was one game last year were all of the players from a whole team stayed in the locker room except for one guy from his team who served as an army ranger who came out to myself. So that kind of in that was a pretty striking, striking, striking picture in itself. But the other thing that says it's, it's, it's not against like legally it's not really against the law. People talk about First Amendment rights, but NFL is a private company. If you in your work started making political protests in the middle of the office during the day, your, your company could discipline you for it or tell you to not do it. So legally they're not legally, they're not going to be in A.

Speaker 4:

Yeah,

Speaker 3:

because if you're not, if you're not, if you're not adhering to the, you know, the don't do your job properly or not here until their color code of conduct.

Speaker 4:

I think our job, right,

Speaker 3:

well it's nothing what they are doing their job and they are representing the NFL and and you know in a very public way I guess. So I think they are in a hard place because it sets the thing they most care about is money and especially the owners who have the owners who are the ones making the money and are also kind of more sympathetic to the, I think possibly because of money but also possibly politically

Speaker 4:

has it, has it, has it reduced their incomes? Right. How's the protest? Protest is heightened awareness. I mean like in the UK, nfl just isn't really a thing, but awareness of the protests have grown the news coverage around it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. Well there's, the NFL ratings are dropping. That's been going on for a few years. Some people, some people say that, you know, this kid, this is a contributing factor at certainly knock up the, a monopoly in the market for American football because college, American football, a lot of people especially that I know are more passionate about college football and so they have something else to turn turn to. If the NFL is turning them off.

Speaker 4:

I don't want to spend a whole lot of time talking this, but how does it, how does

Speaker 1:

it spread to other, other sports? Is Basketball people kneeling down? What about ice hockey or anything like that?

Speaker 3:

I, um, I, I didn't read today at the NBA, the NBA requires you to stand for the national anthem and nobody has been dealing for it. As far as I'm aware of from what I, from what I have read today and which I was actually quite surprised by because there'll be a lot of basketball players who I'd spoken politically.

Speaker 2:

Yeah,

Speaker 1:

Patrick. We just had the World Cup in Russia. So that's a country that controls your country.

Speaker 3:

That's right. I don't want to read a label as my country. I'd say I'm very grateful that it is providing me with employment of course, but

Speaker 1:

is that a country can listen to this.

Speaker 3:

Oh, the NSA is. They're all, they're all over nothing but that

Speaker 1:

either during or before it was announced in 20, 26, the Web Cup is truly coming home to the United States and Mexico, I believe. Which will be awkward if I'm kind of American soccer fans have gone absolutely wild at the prospect.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. I think they'll be looking forward to it so far away that um, I don't, I don't feel like it's got a massive amount of kilometers, but certainly I think it will be. I think by the time 20, 26 comes around and they probably will be a bit of a frenzy because soccer has been a a sport that's been growing here for three years and there's a lot of enthusiasm for it.

Speaker 4:

La Has the Olympics a couple of years before I think as well. Is that right? Yeah, it was definitely bit inquiry. Haven't picked two years before that will come. I think they were being myself. But

Speaker 1:

can we find is the net. The next limits is 20 slash 20 in Tokyo 20, 24 is 20. Twenty four will be la. Oh, there you go. And hang out. Because Wayne Rooney's arrival in the mls. Anyone interested in that or not really?

Speaker 3:

I have not. Nobody had stopped me on the street to talk about when. Randy,

Speaker 1:

what about surely?

Speaker 3:

That sounds great. The problem is I don't have. I don't have a TV so I'm not. Unless I'm going to a bar to watch a game. I'm not saying

Speaker 1:

the hipster.

Speaker 3:

Full hipster. Yeah. Don't worry. I'm remedying, but certainly when there's a lot of enthusiasm for pro football when I was going down to the bar to watch at the World Cup and at times they were packed and that was despite America not being in it, which I was really disappointed about because I saw you remember seeing all the videos of like 2014 or the, those kind of American football fans going go nuts and coming up with all these ridiculous chance I was. I was looking forward to seeing, getting involved, getting involved in some of that action. But uh, but there were still a lot of enthusiasm for the World Cup. Even even despite that. And Twenty, 26 is going to be big. It's a tournament of first. So that's the first tournament where there'll be 48 teams rather than 32 first be the first hosted by three countries. And it will be interesting to see. I know there'll be interesting to see whether all three teams get to qualify automatically cause that would be a. yeah, that's, that's what I think. But it hasn't been confirmed yet. And America is definitely the main host. They have 60 at the game source, Mexico may have Tan and Canada only has 10. All the quarterfinals finals will all be in the USA. So, um, it's really woke up USA rather than Mexico or Canada.

Speaker 1:

You're going to be all over the state. So it just didn't want.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, there was 23 stadiums that have been proposed and this is probably one of the reasons that have already won is apollo stadiums are already built. All the infrastructure is already there. Oh, that's a great question. I actually don't know. I don't know if it's been confirmed.

Speaker 1:

We were talking about having the different groups in different time zones so that within the group stages you didn't often basically a huge boundary. That seems fast. Definitely a bit of a change from Qatar where everything's parked into like a 50 monitor squared writers. Yeah. As long as they can recreate the opening ceremony from Pasedena where, what's the 19 a ton and Mrs the penalty. So the goal splits. Anyway, I asked one of my favorite memories. Um, I think, well the last thing that cool, Iri, uh, maybe over here in Europe was a slightly controversial transfer in the MBA.

Speaker 3:

You're the king.

Speaker 1:

Like I could be. Is that what he's called? Lebron James? That's the very same.

Speaker 3:

That'd be great to be as the ems is sports are that someone just has to say your first name and then everyone knows who you are. They. American sports commentators loved doing my hair. They'll just be like at, for example, someone like Michael Jordan, like if they're commenting on the game, they'll just be like, uh, you know, Michael for three, like they want to do. I say like, no, harmon does it all the time. And the goal speaking or coaching. Rory. Jesus, don't, I hit that? I kinda, I kinda like it when it's so famous. He just goes by their first name. Like you're so famous that you're, you know, the first thing Michael, but which is so common and yet people know exactly who's being spoken to by when they just say your first name is Kylie. Kylie. Kylie. Kylie was. Kylie was. It wasn't controversial or big move before he retires. Maybe both. I don't think it was. It was controversial in the sense that people are most likely going to happen Lebraun as basically in carrying the cops for awhile and so he and he's not getting any younger obviously, like everybody in the whole world, so he, he kind of wanted a, a big, a big move to a team where he thinks he can win. I think the liquors with a favorite probably because they're so iconic and also it'll throw them over to the western conference where you'll get to play against some of his bigger rivals more often, like steph curry and the Golden State Warriors. So that would be interesting to see in the leg. Is now a pretty much going to win the world series or whatever it's called. What is it? Just the NBA finals. That's the one. Yeah, so the, well the barrier will be at Alaska steel. It'll probably be a lot. It'll certainly be a lot harder for him to get to the finals because there's a lot better teams in the western conference, not just the, you know, the Golden State Warriors, but the Houston Rockets am gone to some extent. A joke when they heard we were a USA special. Okay. Yeah. What's the difference between a warriors fan on a baby? I don't know. A baby was enough for awhile. So International. Why is that? Why not a joke? I didn't. I didn't get it either. I don't really know. They don't really have. Must have windsor way recently or something or. No, they've won a load of final modification is always the face. Exactly. Before we let you back to your land of plenty and listening to what's happening stateside, anything that's caught your eye recently? Well, speaking of, speaking of Lebron Kevin, this regarding him wasn't his big move to la. What's happened at a while back, but he is a lead in Cleveland, but he's leaving them behind something valuable. He's just opened a new school in Akron, Ohio, which is where he grew up. That's called the I promise school and that's Kinda unique in a few ways. It's the school setup in his neighborhood to to help kids who you are in local schools that have been failing and falling behind and kids from a roundup, the kind of rough area where he grew up and it will be starting. This thing gets started yesterday. It'll be in a few ways that have longer school days, longer school years and their parents will be able to enroll in courses that go by. They're going to open up the school, so it's more like a community project where the facilities will be available outside school hours for kids and parents to use. All kids are going to be getting free uniform. They'll get a free bike and helmet on their first day. You have free tuition to the local college. If they graduate

Speaker 1:

and he's spending all of this off his own back.

Speaker 3:

He has also. He has a foundation which is helping fund this, but it's also one of the unique things about it is it's not a charter school. It's not a private school where kids get their education paid for. It's actually a public, it's a public school, so it will be under the, the local authorities authority I guess, um, and that's kind of an interesting statement that he's making by making it part of a public school system, kind of showing them maybe if you invest the kind of money that he will be three, his foundations and mean you can maybe make public schools better than people think they can be.

Speaker 1:

Well not uplifting. Note to end this, uh, in this little puddle on party. Thank you very much for

Speaker 3:

you're very welcome boys

Speaker 1:

and uh, trying to help us navigate through neil gate or whatever it's being called. Ben, anything to add? Thanks, patty has been tremendously insightful. I noticed, I noticed you ducked the hard questions. What will get me some stuff? Have a good time and enjoy the night shift or wherever it is you're about to start. All the best voice she orthotic. Bye Bye. Bye.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.