Was Travis Kelce Throwing a Tantrum or Showing Passion? | Pardon The Disruption

Unlock the complexities of the affordable housing crisis as we bring together a dynamic group of real estate disruptors. This episode features Steve Trang, CJ, Leon, and special guest Cassi DeHaas, who all weigh in on the delicate dance between market forces, government interventions, and the role of investors. Expect a multifaceted discussion that traverses the promising avenues of zoning law adjustments, the strategic use of land and federal funds, and the community impact of investor renovations. Tune in for a vibrant exchange of ideas that promises to enrich your understanding of real estate's most pressing challenges.

Feel the pulse of the real estate world as we navigate costly business blunders and the essential nature of due diligence, with anecdotes that range from overlooked liens to hiring missteps. The panelists' personal stories serve as cautionary tales, emphasizing the importance of a thorough understanding of industry regulations. Then, we switch gears to a lively debate on passion in sports, the potential of a trick shot contest in the NBA, and the camaraderie that underpins successful teamwork. Our guests don't just illuminate the strategies behind the business—they embody the spirit of innovation and drive that fuels it.

As we wrap up, the spotlight shines on each panelist's unique contributions, from Cassi's poise in a male-dominated field to Steve's entrepreneurial grit, Leon's intellectual thirst, and CJ's unwavering positivity. We celebrate the diversity of our team and the collective impact they make, with a nod to the changing perceptions of 'nerds' and the importance of representation in every industry. Join us for this heartfelt recognition of the personal qualities that fortify our professional endeavors, and the shared journey of growth and accomplishment.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Welcome everyone to this week's part in the disruption. We are excited that you are tuning in, mr Disruptor Steve Trang, over here. Go ahead and introduce yourself.

Speaker 2: 0:11

I am being personally attacked on PTT. Please subscribe so that it's to defend my name because I am being assaulted verbally. Angry RJ Bates, the third today.

Speaker 3: 0:20

Robert chose violence in the group chat before.

Speaker 1: 0:23

I don't understand why. Mr Question Mark over there CJ, you want to be?

Speaker 4: 0:28

Michael Jordan, you want to be a legendary man? Come to the U-Mail.

Speaker 1: 0:32

Leon, do not forget the G-Barns.

Speaker 5: 0:35

I heard that we had rules on this show. Since when Is that a new show? New year, we have rules. Now. I'm excited for this. Leon, you need to read it again and actually try to comment. Do not listen to RJ.

Speaker 1: 0:51

It is not your fault. Please do not ignore him. We are going to start off with introductions. Richman VA. The one and only, chris Jefferson CJ. Say hi to the people.

Speaker 4: 1:38

Hi people. It's great to be here. I'm excited. I'm mostly excited RJ is not here. I'm actually a static. The last time I've been this happy, I'm not sure. Super, super excited today. Happy to be here, it's good to see everybody.

Speaker 1: 1:56

Absolutely Point to CJ on the intro right there. That's outstanding. Next up, mr Disruptor himself, steve Trang, say hi to the people.

Speaker 2: 2:08

Let's go to everybody. Steve Trang real estate disruptors close more sales. I'm really excited to be here today. We got CJ. He's the reason why we're late. In case anyone's wondering, Leon is making 50, the new 40. So happy birthday, Leon. And then we have the brains behind Titanium on the show today. I'm actually looking forward to having an intellectual conversation versus just a bashing conversation. This is going to be great.

Speaker 1: 2:32

Yes, very Ramsey from RJ. It's RJ the Ram, that's actually his new nickname. All right, next up we have Leon. Do not forget the G-Barns. Fresh off of birthday week, say hi to the people.

Speaker 5: 2:48

Fresh off of birthday week. My goodness, I'm too old to say birthday weeks or birthday months. I had a birthday, super excited about that. Another year older, another year wiser and my chiefs Another championship. So I think I had a pretty good week and, cj, I love how even kill you are my friend. If that's happy, I'd hate to see sad from you, brother.

Speaker 1: 3:14

Awesome, awesome. And then, in a special guest role, we have the real brains behind Titanium. We have Cassie DeHos. Say hi to the people.

Speaker 6: 3:25

Hey people, cassie, uh-huh, Forward Texas. And I am an agent investor, better known as the brains of the operation of Titanium. My amazing partner is on a hockey tournament venture to today, so happy to be here and shout out to PTD for having a female one.

Speaker 1: 3:47

Absolutely. We are happy that you are the first one and let it be known, let's get it on the record Hockey still somehow made it into PTD without RJ Bates being here.

Speaker 3: 3:59

Good job, Cassie.

Speaker 1: 4:00

All right, we're going to get into it with question number one. Look forward to this one. According to Redfin, investors bought 26% of what is considered affordable homes in Q4 of 2023. Do you think regulations on the properties investors buy make housing more affordable? Start us off, CJ.

Speaker 4: 4:22

Oh look, let's first say that this isn't a fault to investors. Right, investors buy investments. Housing is a phenomenally great investment because of demand. So this isn't an investor problem. Right, this is a problem that we've created ourselves and ultimately, kind of how I see it, is this right? Would regulations help?

Speaker 4: 4:44

I don't know if it's regulation, I think it's really subsidy. All right, I'm an investor. I don't know, I don't identify anymore as an investor. I invest in real estate. Let me say that, right, I invest in real estate and in my real estate investments. All right, I'm going to do what the market lets me do.

Speaker 4: 5:00

I want to make as much money from the market. So if I got to pay an exorbitant amount for a house, then I got to sell it for an exorbitant amount so I can actually make money and make a return on that investment. I think the only fix here I don't know if it's regulation per se, but if there was subsidy, we're paying money and we're sending it all over the world all the time If we could get some money down to, you know, middle America like myself. I'm not high-end America, right, like upper class, like some of these folks on the panel, but shout out to them. If we can get some money down to middle America folks like myself to make investing and providing affordable housing a little bit easier and we could still make a reasonable return on our investment. I think that's what's needed, not necessarily regulation.

Speaker 1: 5:43

There we go, some insightful insight from Chris Jefferson CJ there. All right, steve. What about you? What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 2: 5:52

If Chris is middle America, then we have officially finished a job of making America great again, right Like mission freaking accomplished if Chris is middle America. So I don't think regulations is what needs to be done. I think my message has been pretty consistent Do nothing, right? Like when they printed money, interest rates went all the way down and then they made some changes and interest rates went all the way up. If they would just stop messing with the levers and pushing the levers or pulling them or doing whatever, and just let the market do what the market does. The reason why housing is unaffordable is because we slam interest rates down by printing money, causing housing to go up, and then, once the money, how's it going up? It's like, hey, let's make it unaffordable, let's jack up interest rates. So the reason why affordable housing is gone is because the government intentionally well, not intentionally stupidly made housing unaffordable. So I would say do nothing and let's see how things work out.

Speaker 1: 6:58

There we go. I would just like to note, for you know, 84 weeks in a row, steve has just flat out said the government needs to do nothing and the problem will resolve itself. I love it, I do, leon. You're faced during CJ and Steve's answers. I'm ready for you what you got on this one.

Speaker 5: 7:18

Well, steve's answer is let it do what it do, and Chris's answer was eight minutes long. I'm surprised you didn't shut him down.

Speaker 1: 7:28

Working on the buzzer right now.

Speaker 5: 7:30

I think that answers and I feel like if I said yes to regulations somewhere in hockey USA, rj is going to find me.

Speaker 5: 7:40

I can't say yes to any regulations. Nor, in this great country of ours, should we continue with additional regulations. If it's proven anything over the last few years, especially as we've been talking on this show, it seems like more government involvement continues to make this country worse. So the one thing I know about investors that no matter what regulation that you put forth, we're always going to find the opportunity that comes our way. We're going to take what the defense gives us. I'll give you a perfect example the 90 day flip rule. There are always ways around the 90 day flip rule. That was what. Was that implemented six years ago, seven years ago? Whatever it was implemented Right, we as investors will find ways around those regulations. So why do we keep putting them on people Doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1: 8:26

There we go, the work around. I like that. I definitely like that insight right there, leon. All right, cassie, what are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 6: 8:36

So I can agree with everyone's answer. However, like I also think that, like the regulations on the investors, like Leon said, they're going to find a way around it. But to that point, even if you regulate the investors and they don't find a way around it, sellers are still going to do what investors are going to do. They're going to get the most for their house, no matter what Right. So, like to me, what if government involvement is involved? What like people can do is zoning.

Speaker 6: 9:09

Like you can change the zoning, you can make more apartments, you can make certain land available to build apartments, you can legalize additional units and stop building like these cookie cutter homes with these crazy HOAs, and it's just like you can create more affordable housing in and around cities. That make it very reasonable. And I just don't think that regulating investors is going to change it, because it's not going to move the needle that much financially in the market for buyers and sellers. So I mean, I think what makes it more difficult for first time home buyers is not that a hedge fund is coming in and paying more than what they're willing to pay, because sellers are still going to make that choice. They're going to get the most they can for their house and there's still a demand issue. So I think that if government does anything, they should just make more availability to build affordable housing.

Speaker 5: 10:15

Cassie brings up a great point there. Cj and I have been on this. We're the only ones on this CJ, so I'll give us credit and pat ourselves on the back for this one. If you're going to have impact, it's local government. And what Cassie brings up is a great point that if you want to get government involved, government should be involved at the local level with zoning, making opportunities for builders to build more affordable homes. That is the biggest impact, the quickest change that can happen. That doesn't happen at a federal level. You can absolutely ask for federal funds to offset, but the real impact happens at the local level. You want to talk about regulation and doing something. That's the difference. It's not regulations of stopping investors. Make change through zoning. Make change through local government.

Speaker 4: 11:10

Yeah, we've been talking about this for sure. I mean, look, I agree with that. We've got a significant zoning problem in America. Texas is actually one of the few states that's getting it right. You can go into Texas and you can basically just build whatever that's because we just have huge land Right.

Speaker 5: 11:26

they got a lot of land.

Speaker 4: 11:28

But the problem is, I think, about where I'm at like in Richmond, va, we've got properties here downtown in the city that have sizable yard footprints where other properties could fit on those. They just can't exist because of zoning or pieces of land that people could or lots, rather than people could buy, but houses can't exist there because of zoning. But that's still going to create an affordability issue, unfortunately, because then that land, once it's zoned correctly, is just going to go for a market price and it's going to go to somebody who's got to build and sell something on it at a market price. So we still go back to the problem of look, if I got to buy something at a higher price as an investor, I got to sell it for the most money possible to make a return. The only thing that's ever going to help me with that is a government subsidy. There has to be some form of tax credit. There has to be some form of a credit that allows me to be able to do that. I've done a lot of historic tax credit investing. You can only invest in some of these historical properties, given how much repairs they need, because I know that I'm getting a tax credit back for 25%, 50% of what it costs me to invest in it. So that's one problem, then. I'm about to be done, leon.

Speaker 4: 12:34

So then the other problem is I hear these conversations a lot about government intervention and how we don't want the government to intercede, and all these different things. But how have we gotten so blind to that's what's going to happen. Ultimately, we're on this direct path towards socialism, and it's the buzzword for the last 10 years that everybody wants to avoid. But ultimately, in 5, 10, 15, 20 years, when people can't afford to live, the only people that will be able to help them because I'm not going to get money out of my pocket. Cassie and RJ are going to get money out of their pocket. Steve's not going to get money out of his pocket. Leon's not going to get money out of his pocket, maybe Potter. So how are people going to be able to live other than the government providing these things to them?

Speaker 2: 13:18

Which is taking money out of CJ's pocket.

Speaker 4: 13:22

I might not still be here by then. I might be somewhere else, bro. I might be pulling. China moves in another country invaded.

Speaker 2: 13:34

I think your point, though, of changing the zoning what Cassie was mentioning earlier and buying properties and you look at Virginia, where it's regulation heavy, there's a lot of red tape I do believe if you were able to change a zoning and put more properties in the same footprint, that's increasing supply, that will decrease the cost to move into the home, so that will create more affordable housing. So, yes, it's going to cost more, the land will be worth more, it's going to cost more to do so, but the fact that you're putting multiple homes into the same piece of dirt will naturally bring pricing down, or affordability even more affordable, and every city To your point earlier, cj, every city.

Speaker 5: 14:18

I can tell you from the example here in Tampa affordability is a major issue here as you've had in the last four years A ton of new people moving here. It's been a top three relocation city over the last four years. The government, the local city, the local county. They own a ton of land that isn't up for sale it could go to. If you want to set regulations on properties, set regulations on who can bid on that to build affordable homes. Again, going back to local governments, if you want to make impact, the local governments reach out to federal for federal funding. Then it trickles down to local governments. To me that's the answer to any time I hear this ridiculousness about. We got to have more regulations Because investors ultimately are keeping these communities moving when it comes to building and making properties again livable.

Speaker 2: 15:18

Make properties and you're going to have people in Richmond say let's make houses affordable, let's make housing cheaper, but not in my backyard. They're not going to have it in CJ's backyard. Cj's going to pull a Steph Curry. I care about the little people as long as I don't have to see them.

Speaker 4: 15:36

I don't know if you could talk about that where I live at, but I don't think they're going to let you do that. But look, ultimately, man, this is a real problem that we got to somehow figure out. I love the conversation, though, about zoning, and I do agree with you what you said, steve. I do think that could alleviate some form of pressure and get out and vote locally. I mean to Leon's point I hate hearing how people don't go vote locally. It's always the smallest elections that take place. It should be the other way around, man. People should be focused on voting as hard as possible locally.

Speaker 6: 16:14

If you're going to vote, Follow the money, kind of like the Detroit Land Bank. There can be a program where investors can buy houses at an incredibly affordable rate, but they have X amount of time to get them in livable condition. So there can be programs like that that are included with these rezoning things that make it to where it's like, yeah, you can get it at this rate, like it doesn't have to be just a tax break, there's just all kinds of options, and I think that that really is the answer, because regulating investors when you need investors, or making it less affordable for them to do what we do, it's just it's not going to get you to the end result that you want.

Speaker 2: 17:02

Yeah, and I just wrote. The only reason why I'm saying the government is screwing things up is because it's probably 26%. 26% is a number that's inflated because housing is unaffordable because of interest rates. That's the only reason why it's 26%. If we look at the previous year, it was 10% to 15%. So it's not that investors are buying more, it's that people that want to buy homes for themselves are buying less. So it's just something to consider.

Speaker 1: 17:25

There we go. I like how Steve just chimed in with that absolute grand slam right there at the end. That's good. And also thank you for revealing on the air that CJ subscribes to the NIMBY, not my backyard over there. We all know it. We appreciate that one.

Speaker 2: 17:45

CJ's got three gays Middle.

Speaker 1: 17:47

America, baby Middle America. The San Francisco 49ers revealed that they were unaware of the overtime rules that proved pivotal when the Super Bowl game went to overtime and they inevitably lost. When has there been a time that not knowing the rules cost you in business? Why don't you start us off, steve?

Speaker 2: 18:09

So I've mentioned before, if you're not getting sued, you're not doing enough business. So I'm an expert at tortuous interference. Why am I an expert at tortuous interference?

Speaker 2: 18:26

Well, I didn't know that you had to confirm in writing that a listing agreement is canceled before you buy the house from the homeowner. It was active in the MLS, there's a sign in the yard. I talked to the guy. It's like, hey, there's a sign in the yard, it's active in the MLS, what's going on? And they said well, we were to cancel the listing, the realtor agreed to it and they're just really slow and unresponsive. It's like that makes total sense to me. Let's sign this contract, let's close. Day we close, we take the key out of the lock box, we get a very angry phone call from the realtor Why'd you mess with my listing? So good news I spent $18,000 in attorney's fees to win a $14,000 lawsuit, so I won Right. It's always worth it.

Speaker 2: 19:13

I became an expert and I became an expert in tortuous interference. So not knowing the rules, that's how it hurt me.

Speaker 1: 19:19

We're very pleased to find out that Steve now understands this at a high level and won the lawsuit. Lost the dollar lawsuit, but won All right. What about you, leon?

Speaker 5: 19:33

I know you guys make fun of me because I'm the informed panelist, but there's a reason for it. There were a few times in probably elementary school where I would simply my excuse would be well, I didn't know that and as I got older, that excuse that worked in the third grade stopped working as I continued to get into smarter classes and I realized that it's my job to be informed, it's my job to know, especially my profession. Can't say that I'm perfect, because there are regulations going back to question one and rules that are always evolving and changing. But I make it a habit, especially for my profession, to understand them all and if I don't to Steve's credit on his answer if I do make a mistake, I become an expert at making sure that that never happens Again.

Speaker 5: 20:30

I'll give you one simple one, and usually that's what they are. It's just a smack of the hand. They're not generally a win like Steve had. Generally it's something very simple, Like that 90-day flip rule I was talking about in the first answer. Well, that is from the day that the deed is assigned at the courthouse, right, Not the day that you close on the property. So if paperwork is behind, losing money is very simple to do, because it's 90 days from when the deed was filed, not 90 days from your close. So there's a couple of times where we had two week or three week extensions because courthouse was slow with paperwork, especially during COVID. So those are the type of things that little things make a big difference.

Speaker 1: 21:19

That's a really good point, seeing that time and time again. Then on it over here doing the real estate thing, we run into that sometimes We've got to get to day 91. So seeing that time and time again. What about you, cassie? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 6: 21:34

So I actually don't have a lot of examples of this because I'm a little bit like Leon and I try to figure out all of the rules. So the best one for me I can think of is that on our very first subject to property, we didn't really know how important it was to really really read that initial title commitment and, yeah, that causes $30,000 because they had a second lien on there and we just completely missed it and so we learned a $30,000 lesson. Luckily it was a fat property and we held it for many years. But I would just say that it's just one of those things If you're out there you can't always know the rules for every single thing and not miss stuff You're going to mess up. The only other example I can even think of is not knowing the paperwork to file an eviction the first time and it costing us a couple of weeks. You know what I mean.

Speaker 6: 22:41

But I try to encourage everybody to be extremely informed, extremely educated, never stop learning, because you're going to make mistakes, you're going to miss stuff and, like we have, like all of us here have, if you're going to get anywhere in business, you're going to do it. But you know, we really try to stay ahead of it or surround ourselves with people that do know, and that was, like I think, our big mistake. On that very first sub too. We were doing that solo, flying by the seat of our pants, studying, you know. So it's about the best example I have how it costs us in business.

Speaker 1: 23:21

There you go. Now you guys clearly have seen that Cassie is the brains behind the operation. Yeah, obviously All right, cj. What about you? What are your thoughts, man?

Speaker 4: 23:32

Yeah, man, there was a time in a past life where you know I had a sales team, big sales team, and you know I was like really in it a lot and we're pushing really hard. I had a bunch of people that were doing a good job and so I said to myself one day man, you know who probably would be like really good at sales, let me find someone who's 18, like no kids living at home, no obligations, I just ready to grind. So I went and got like a bunch of people who are 18 years old and they started working for me Well, not me, rephrase, not working for me working with all right and sales and so. But then I realized I didn't like them. I realized I didn't like them and they just had too much you know young people stuff going on. I'm 37 Potter, so I could talk like this. Now I realized we got you know, all this young people stuff going on and I try to get rid of a couple of them.

Speaker 4: 24:36

And then I ended up getting sued by the Virginia State Unemployment Commission and they you know I got to hire an attorney Right, steve knows this is, you know, pretty expensive stuff. They take me into like a real court, like at the unemployment commission building, which is a couple of blocks from here. And now they tell me that I'm, you know, illegally got people working and I'm like, well, what are you talking about? You know it's independent contractor 1099. All right, you know the favorite buzzword for entrepreneurs. And they go on to explaining me how I'm giving them a time that they got to be at work, you know, and all these they got meetings they can't miss and all these different things. I'm not going to say what the fine was, but it was enough that we haven't done it again. We haven't made that mistake ever since man. So shout out to Virginia and everybody down there but yeah, that was. That was pretty rough for a little bit.

Speaker 5: 25:37

There's a lot of lessons to be learned from these answers, right, like this business that everyone that is watching this wants to get into or is just getting into. We always say it's not easy and there's a lot that you have to know, and this is especially why Steve knows that we talk about this is going deeper versus wider. Cassie and RJ are the only ones I know that are that are able to operate in 50 states and is crazy enough to operate in 50 states with all those different regulations that if you're getting into this business, especially if you start to hire and you start to scale, you want to have a mentor. Number two, understand what you're getting yourself into, because some of these examples that we gave are just minor ones. These aren't even the major ones that we gave you.

Speaker 5: 26:26

So, whether you've been in this business for for one year or 10 years, this is something that you need to take heed to, because I know we've had members before Steve and I have had this conversation. We've had members before that had 50, 60, 100 1099s that they are IRS, figured it out eventually and came down and we're talking seven figure finds here. So there's some big money involved in some of these things. So knowing the rules, as GI Joe used to say, is half the battle. Well, I appreciate it.

Speaker 6: 26:58

I gotta say shout out to Pizza Hut on that one. Because from from day one, RJ literally was like no, this is really serious, Like our first hire, and I was like are you kidding me? Like they're going to pay attention to our little bitty business, you know. And he's like like he was adamant on those rules, Like when we were hiring people at first. So shout out to Pizza Hut.

Speaker 5: 27:22

Yeah, I would say corporate help with you there. Corporate helps with you. You sit in a few depositions because of of issues with employment. Then you'll realize how important it is to know your local governments.

Speaker 2: 27:35

going back to local government, knowing your state and your local government regulations, I appreciate learning today from Leon about the 90 day flip rule, starting when the deeds recorded. I always just assume this from close of escrow and Cassie talking about the importance of a title commitment, and I wonder what percentage of people watching this are actually reviewing title commitments. But you know, title commitments one of those boring documents you get from the title company that behooves you at some point to understand was actually on those documents. And then can we all just talk about how awful that decision was by the Niners. Like they wanted to receive, the chiefs wanted to kick. I don't have a fan dual account. I'm opposed to sports gambling, but if I could have the moment the Niners picked to receive the ball, if I could just bet my house on that game, I would have done it. It was to give Patty Mahomes four downs. The rest of the game is absolutely insane.

Speaker 5: 28:36

You couldn't believe it. They slowed it down and he showed his face and he's like, really, he couldn't believe it. You want the ball Really.

Speaker 6: 28:46

Oh, and the response to it, shane Henn's response to it. I'm like that was the weakest down thing I've ever heard. This is the damn Super Bowl, bro. Like, get your shit together. Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 5: 28:58

Eric Rueber and I talk about this all the time. Coaching and organizations matter. They just do. The Chiefs were talking about how they've been talking about overtime for two weeks. If it were to happen, this is what we would do Coaching and organization. Culturally especially, it matters.

Speaker 2: 29:21

I love Belichick right, because there was never a detail that his team was not prepared for. One of my buddies was the left tackle for the Cardinals. He played for Danny Green. He played for Bill Belichick. He was like the coaching was nine-day different. Like Belichick didn't care about anything. If you knew your job, your role and the guy you're guarding or playing against his three favorite moves, if you knew that guy's three favorite moves and your deal, he left you alone. You just had to know how to play the game.

Speaker 4: 29:55

That was it 49ers picking to receive an overtime of the Super Bowl. It was just kind of sad to watch. They got Fred Warner at midfield. Clearly he doesn't know what's going on. He's supposed to be the captain best player on the team. He's not even an offensive player man. He's out here talking about he wants to receive the ball. Patty Mahomes is sitting there like all right. Yeah, it's a wrap To what we were talking about, though one of the biggest things I think Leon said IRS. I've seen a lot of people taken out in business over 14 years from the IRS man. Figure your tax stuff out. Get a bookkeeper as quickly or fast as possible. Pay your taxes. Don't practice tax avoidance All right. Tax deferment All right. Preparation Deferment is a keyword. That's a keyword, all right.

Speaker 2: 31:01

Chris is sounding like one of those old timers from.

Speaker 4: 31:04

Shout out to Trump, man. Shout out to the president All right, but no man. All seriousness, People, For whatever reason, man, a lot of people do not, myself included when I started, by the way do not take taxes serious and accounting serious, and it's critically important to your success.

Speaker 6: 31:21

There you go Well not only that, but like even like we hired somebody you know immediately and then we had switched and I swear to you like we had a guy for like three years or longer, maybe just completely screw up our taxes. So it was just one of those things was like even whenever you outsource it to somebody, like you still have to know enough to make sure you're you're exactly what you know, you're filed correctly, everything's in order, etc. Etc. But yeah, it's also it can be such a huge burden, you know, like it's so time consuming, etc. And like you got to make sure who you're hiring for that is you know, doing their job correctly, you know find yourself a great CPA is great advice, and you will.

Speaker 5: 32:13

You cannot overpay them Because if you hire the cheap one, just know you will hire the great one and make up for all of that money that you.

Speaker 1: 32:26

I have my current CPA Leon with the absolute golden nugget to finish that, right there he's not wrong. And also remember your CPAs fees are a tax write off, so it's not the end of the world. Guys Like just pay the money and be in a good spot or definitely pay later.

Speaker 4: 32:44

That's right, all right, that's too real.

Speaker 1: 32:46

There we go. We are going to get into our viral video of the week. Here it is. Check it out.

Speaker 6: 32:53

After the fumble comes over to Andy, he goes keep me in. What happened is on the fumble. He was not in the game. No, gray went in and he had to block.

Speaker 1: 33:05

All right, you guys, what do we make of that exchange? Start us off, leon, as the reigning chiefs. You know panelists over here, what are your thoughts? Yeah?

Speaker 5: 33:15

So, growing up in Kansas City, been a fan since I was seven, seven years old, so 1983, 84, I have seen a lot of games where there was no passion in red. I can tell you that for sure. I can also say that Travis, even his brother, said he crossed the line, which he did. But Steve knows this, I'm a different player on the court than I am in person. When we get at the highest level or even just competing as a type personality, sometimes we cross the line and we don't mean to. But I can tell you this.

Speaker 5: 33:57

What I saw, what I, the lesson I learned from that, is that when you build proper trust within an organization true trust, not fake rapport true trust If you make the apology and the person that you offended or, in this particular case, almost knocked over, they understand that it's within passion and that it's all about that. You were trying to win and to me it showed the true trust and the bond that Andy Reed and Travis Kelsey have built. And with a true apology it can all be water under the bridge, especially when you're holding that Lombardi.

Speaker 1: 34:38

There you go. All right, Cassie. What are your thoughts on this one?

Speaker 6: 34:42

Yeah, so basically that video is me and RJ, once about every hour to an hour and a half.

Speaker 6: 34:52

It ain't even a thing to me. No, like I want to. Like I'd like RJ and I, like are very, very passionate about our business. When we say something, we mean something. We're high level people Like you know I don't, I also played five competitive sports Like when, when you have the adrenaline, you're in the Super Bowl, you're losing.

Speaker 6: 35:14

Like I was more offended by Travis Kelsey's singing at the end of the game than I was. That I think he just kind of took Andrew Reed off guard a little bit there, like he wasn't in the periphery there and that was why I looked a little bit more dramatic than it was. But like I really don't fault him. Not only that, but like nobody's talking about the fact that he apologized for kind of stepping over the line, like he didn't mean to come in quite that hot but he was running hot. You're in the Super Bowl and like nobody's talking about that they're just trying to talk about like how this big buffoon came up on a 65 year old dude. Like in a Super Bowl. And, to Leon's point, like they have a bond, they have trust. Like like RJ and I be yelling at each other and other people are looking at us and we're like we're just talking. So I mean I get it Like I don't really hate on that. But yeah, it can be kind of a bad look, but people dramatize things.

Speaker 1: 36:13

There you go. All right, what about? What about you, cj? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 4: 36:19

Shout out to the Chiefs man Can't make this a big deal. All right, first and foremost, man Kelsey came in a little hot. Was he wrong for that? Sure, andy reads lateral foot speed isn't the best. All right, it was a. It was a. It was an accidental bump. All right, not an intended. You know Andy just put a little. You know he's put a little old man on it, but no man. I mean, look, it's the Super Bowl. These guys didn't have a great start to the season. They really rallied the second half of the year. We're down.

Speaker 4: 36:57

At the time this happened Fumble just occurred Kelsey felt like you should be in the game. I mean, look, if you don't got somebody on your team or that you're locked in arms with doing business with they, don't have some fire and passion about behind your outcome and what's going to happen for you all, especially in a moment that big, you shouldn't even want to want your team. I love how they handled it post game. I love how Kelsey just jumped out, got on top of it ASAP. I love how Andy read back them up on it. I think to Leon's point. It shows a level of trust and relationship that these guys got there. So I don't have any problem with it whatsoever.

Speaker 1: 37:39

All right, Another vote for no big deal. All right, Steve. What about you? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2: 37:45

In the words of our friend Stratton give me Kelsey or give me a death. All right, like I'm all about that, I will follow that guy. We had that conversation a few weeks ago about Patty Mahomes like losing his mind. Right, like, yeah, he's fired up, it's, the game is on a line, it's a big, freaking game. So you know, we watched these movies like Braveheart, where William Wallace is up there and screaming like a madman and we're inspired. Right, like I will follow that guy in the battle.

Speaker 2: 38:14

We got Kelsey over here Furious that he's not in the game on a critical play where he probably believes that if he was the blocker his guy wouldn't have gotten tackled in front of the ball. Right, it's like, why am I not in the game? I am a pro bowler, I'm one of the best players in the team. I should be in the game to protect our running back. So he gets in the end zone. So I am totally all for his passion. Did he go over the top? Sure, whatever We've mentioned a couple of weeks ago, to Leon's surprise.

Speaker 2: 38:41

How you know, I can get a little passionate. Sometimes some other people are called into the situation. So in basketball this has happened to me multiple times playing pick up basketball, where I'm playing with my best friend and we're yelling at each other like this and they're like you guys are friends, like yeah, but we have that trust like Leon's talking about. We can call each other out. Why didn't you switch? Why didn't you guard your guy? Why would you let him do that? And I'll end it with this last thing here. Everyone's giving Kelsey grief about this, but there is also footage of Andy Reid doing the same exact thing to Travis Kelsey in a game earlier in the season. No one seems to care about that one.

Speaker 5: 39:20

It reminds me of, I think, the book. Adam Corolla wrote a book called the Wusification of America, and it's just we look for these things like this that are much to do about nothing, and we try to make them into major ordeals. You know everything about that. Obviously was crossing the line. At the same time, they play a sport where all they do is hit people.

Speaker 6: 39:48

I wasn't gonna say how is it crossing the line? Like he didn't shove him, he was chokeslamming, he was. He grabbed his arm. It didn't even look like his arm moved, like I don't really necessarily think it's over the line. I think that like you play competitive sports, like my coaches would sit on the sidelines when I'm in a basketball game, stomping heel marks into the ground, into the court, like screaming at the top of their lungs, like on what sport did you ever play that yelling is not a part of it, because that's got a golf.

Speaker 6: 40:30

I mean that's where there was no yelling.

Speaker 5: 40:32

I think some of this comes from where they're trying to make a deal. If I could look into this a little bit, where they're trying to make this more than what it is is there is precedent set for players choking coaches LaTrail's pretty well in the 90s, right.

Speaker 2: 40:51

There's a misunderstanding.

Speaker 5: 40:55

There are situations where LeBron did he not bump Spolstra in the finals? You know there are, there's always, and it seems like most of it has been in the NBA in the past. But is it more than just a trust-friendly bump? And that's the issue I have with this is why are we trying to make more of out of this than what it truly is?

Speaker 6: 41:22

Yeah, I mean on this one. It's just like. That's just the nature I think of. Like the world as it is right now, like social media, like everybody, like you said, leon is always looking for how to make somebody out to be like a piece of shit because they have money, they have stardom, they have talent, like everybody's trying to always find a way to bring somebody down another notch in their book.

Speaker 2: 41:46

Well, you know, I remember I was going through Hero's Journey with Darren Hardy and he talks about the challenge when things are good. When things are good, we have to find the tiniest things to complain about, right, Like the rest of the world is complaining about potentially not complaining about, worried about where the next meal is going to come from, whether my water is clean, right, Am I going to have electricity? Right? They're worried about real-world stuff. We're over here living the high life in America, so we have to find things to get upset about.

Speaker 5: 42:18

Well, what is the classic line? It goes along the lines of haters always come from behind you, never ahead of you.

Speaker 6: 42:26

Yeah Well, I think I'm way more offended by the fact that the 49ers' excuse for losing a Super Bowl was they didn't know the rules. That's why they were offensive to me. You don't belong in Super Bowl if that's your comeback.

Speaker 2: 42:39

So when CJ is attacking me, are we saying he's a hater attacking from behind? Can you clarify for that me?

Speaker 4: 42:45

That might be fair, man. I tell my fellow Swifty's and haters man.

Speaker 5: 42:52

The only way to know is you guys got to shout out to both bank accounts.

Speaker 4: 42:59

Now shout out to Trang Holdings man.

Speaker 1: 43:03

I love that the Swifty's and Trang Holdings both made it in compared to CJ. I absolutely love that. All right, we're going to get into question number four. Roland was sports here. Like the All-Star game happening this weekend. What event would you like to see added to the All-Star game? Why don't you start us off, cassie?

Speaker 6: 43:25

I definitely think having the Closers Olympics and RJ getting his fourth belt would be really cool. I mean, I brought a pocket.

Speaker 1: 43:36

There it is.

Speaker 6: 43:39

No, I really like the idea of like a trick shot contest, not necessarily globe trotter style, but like I think it speaks to, like what it takes to be a professional athlete, like all of the skills that, like people don't actually pay attribute to that these people have to go out there and work every stinking day of their lives to be able to do and like. A lot of those things are not featured, you know, in the normal NBA and I think it would just be cool for people to be kind of highlighting some of their different like wacky things that they can do in basketball and that kind of competition. So I say, a trick shot.

Speaker 1: 44:27

There you go, trick shots, playing a little horse in the All-Star game here, all right. What about you, cj? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 4: 44:36

And the horse sounds crazy. I would say for sure. Actual dunk contest. I know there's a dunk contest that exists, but this, you know, just jumping over cars, Superman capes and props all the time. I wish we could get back to the essence of the dunk contest. There was a moment in time where Saturday night, All-Star weekend, was the pinnacle of the NBA season. The best of the best performed for fans. Now these guys don't even participate. You're scared about getting hurt Somehow. We've. This is the. This is where basketball in America is at now. The most exciting thing now about the All-Star weekend is the three point contest. You know, I wish we could get back to where the greats participated in the slam dunk contest. Like, is it not sad that LeBron has never been in the slam dunk contest? You know? So that that's. That would be what I would add.

Speaker 1: 45:38

There we go. Take us back to the insanity. Let's go. All right, steve, what about you?

Speaker 2: 45:45

Just to add to Chris's point.

Speaker 2: 45:47

I mean that just goes to show you why LeBron sucks right, like you don't know where to go.

Speaker 2: 45:55

So I listened to Tracey McGray say in an interview that he can throw the ball 70 yards downfield on his knees, right. So I think what would be interesting to see is if we had like a pro bowl game for the NBA athletes. Right, because I can't remember who it was I think it was a Jason Kelsey interview where he was saying is like NBA players could play in the NFL, but NFL players couldn't play in the NBA? Right, because, like, if you were good, you want to get the actual attention and you want to get the big money. Right. So it'd be interesting to see NBA players trying to play, you know football, maybe make it kind of like a pro and mix, right, where you actually have, you know, real linemen and maybe a real quarterback. I don't know, but it'd be interesting to see the athleticism right. How good would Alan Iverson be as a DB or as a receiver? Right, as a Wes Welker type role. I think that'd be interesting to watch.

Speaker 1: 46:51

We would all like to see the answer playing DB, we absolutely would. All right. What about you, leon?

Speaker 5: 46:58

So I'm going to start by saying that the best All-Star weekend of the Big Five is still the NBA, and I agree with Chris it's not what it was when I was a kid by any means, but it's still the most exciting of all of them. He's right the three-point contest has become that. The dunk contest needs some work. But I've got two ideas here. As the elder statesman on said panel, I am all about OGs man. We've got to get Reggie Miller and Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce and Jamal Crawford and Ray Allen. We've got to find a way to get those guys involved. Now, obviously, we're not going to bring Larry Bird out there because Larry's 70 years old or whatever he is at this point. But the players that have only been out of the league from you know, in that three to seven year window involved them in the three-point contest. They did this a little bit with some legends in the past, with a WNBA player, a veteran player from that city. They did it with Dominique and did it with a few others. But they need to be more involved. They're at, they're there. Get them involved. So I love to see. The old school players are legends. That's one Number two outside the box, how many? And Cassie, you may have done this as well.

Speaker 5: 48:13

Remember when you had the one friend or the one area where it had a playground where the rim was nine foot right, you played a game called dunk ball. So every player that's six, three and under the best of the best play a game of dunk ball. You want to talk about excitement. Every play is a dunk. No one shooting threes, Everyone's trying to dunk on someone and maybe you have to go six foot under, I don't know. But a game of dunk ball where you can't shoot jumpers, you just have to go to the hole, that would be really fun.

Speaker 2: 48:50

So back in college we, we, we found some eight foot hoops when you played dunk ball, it's the best workout you can do. If you want to, if you want to make sure, by the end of the day, someone is badly injured, that's the game.

Speaker 5: 49:06

Imagine back in the day mother's seed and Spud web on eight foot or nine foot go on against you and have been entertaining.

Speaker 6: 49:18

That was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. We definitely did that. But also, like mostly what we would do is like I would stay after practice and play against the boys so that I could be better.

Speaker 2: 49:31

That's awesome.

Speaker 6: 49:33

So, like all my friends on the basketball team would, would actually stay after their practice on the on the guys team and play with me, cause I I mean, I'm only five, nine, but I, I did play posts. So, like by the time I was a junior and senior, I started getting shorter and shorter in that field. I played against some, some great, great athletes that went to, went on to play and, yeah, I would say like that would be like really fun to have, like the people that don't traditionally dunk, like have a dunk ball contest. That would be.

Speaker 2: 50:11

Oh, you're definitely taller and brewer, so you got, you got to beat there, and then and then talking about horse, talking about horse, I mean that used to be in the NBA All Star game.

Speaker 6: 50:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:21

Right, Like Pete Marovich and those guys, they will play horse. It was not. You're watching the old footage. It was not the highlight.

Speaker 4: 50:29

That's crazy. Pistol Pete cheering man, I like it.

Speaker 6: 50:33

I like the idea of having old fingers or like legends coming and still play. Why can't Larry Berger? I bet you he can still.

Speaker 4: 50:42

Larry Berger, don't got it, no more.

Speaker 5: 50:45

It was so close to me I don't think he's got it.

Speaker 4: 50:49

Larry legend hasn't had it for a while. Man, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6: 50:52

Yeah, I think he's working on a sports term.

Speaker 4: 50:53

Kodak white boy ever shoot a basketball man Shouts of Larry legend man oh.

Speaker 1: 50:58

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Speaker 1: 52:11

All right, we are going to have a lighthearted question here, no pun intended. With Valentine's Day passing, what's one thing you love about each panelist? Here we go. All right, Steve, start us off.

Speaker 2: 52:28

Well, I mean, this is not a PT2 question. I don't even know where this came from.

Speaker 1: 52:32

I need you to answer it, Steve.

Speaker 2: 52:34

All right, so I'll start off with Leon. This is a guy. So long as it's legal and ethical, he'll do anything and everything to help you. There's nothing that you couldn't ask Leon for that he wouldn't do for you. I mean, he might not drive across the country to pick me up in my broken down car, but there's a lot of things he would do for me. So I'll say that about Leon he's a good friend, CJ. I love that. No matter what's going on, he's always in DGAF mode. He's just constantly, perpetually in that mode. It doesn't matter what's going on, you can't phase them. Good things, bad things, it is what it is Outside of affordable housing constant DGAF mode.

Speaker 2: 53:22

And then Cassie. It takes a true patron saint to work in that organization, to be business partners, with Travis Kelsey coming in and bumping you every other hour and screaming in your face. I think it takes a lot. So I would say I appreciate that about Cassie. He's got you know. Nicole has to deal with some craziness with Matthew. I have enough craziness for my wife, my kids and everyone that works here so they get to, like you know, split that. But yeah, cassie is able to handle larger, so kudos to you.

Speaker 1: 53:58

Indeed, we all give big ups to Cassie here. We definitely do for the shenanigans she has to put up with. All right, leon, what about you? What's the thing for each panelist?

Speaker 5: 54:09

Thank you, steve. That was very kind of you, so I won't try to kick you too hard. So I'm going to put these two together.

Speaker 5: 54:18

I'm actually going to put Steve and CJ together, and here's why, and here's why Steve wants to create a hundred millionaires and Chris is actually creating millionaires I'm joking, of course the impact that these two guys are having and care about creating wealth through real estate. They both truly do care, and the word that I can think of for both of them is impact. And so I put them together because I see them wanting the same when it comes to helping individuals grow their real estate operation. Whether that's a part time situation or a full time situation. They want to help genuinely help others grow their businesses.

Speaker 5: 55:09

And I'm going to put Cassie and RJ together because I didn't know Cassie was on today. I thought it was RJ, so I prepared this for RJ. But I will say this about knowing both of them they are 100%, unequivocally, always themselves. There is never fake, any fake when it comes to RJ and Cassie. They're real about what they do and they do not shy away from what it is they know they're laser focused on. They are always 100% good or bad. I'm saying that toward RJ, not toward you, Cassie. Good or bad, they're always themselves.

Speaker 1: 55:46

There we go. Insightful Leon. We are happy that he is back on the show. We like that and just wanted to note he was prepared for RJ Like. This is how prepared Leon is for every show.

Speaker 4: 55:58

He's always prepared.

Speaker 1: 56:00

All right, Cassie, what about you?

Speaker 6: 56:03

So I would say that first and foremost, like I do have to like make a panel comment, I'm usually a viewer, a spectator, a fan on this panel and there's so many things that I could say that hit everybody on this panel. I love everybody's brains, their sense of humor, their drive. Like we're so aligned on making an impact in this industry. So there's just so many things that I love about everybody on this panel, but, but, but, but, but. But. I have specifically with Steve. I love how dry and like it is one of my favorite things in the world not animated. From the moment I met him I was like he does not get credit for how damn funny he is. He is one of the funniest people I've ever met, like in eight. I mean it gets me every time Steve's ability to just be like so stoic and say the funniest things. And he's so underestimated on that front, like people don't even realize how funny it is. And I'm not saying people don't realize he's funny, but I think he's one of the most hilarious people I've ever met. So, especially with Steve's humor from the day I met him, that was my favorite thing on day one, even though I've I've loved many more things about Steve, since with CJ, I got to go with Steve on this one Like my biggest thing was CJ is always just like he is like Snoop Dogg chill 24 seven like it's like yeah, he is unfazed.

Speaker 6: 57:47

And like I, even when he is like on one he is still chill Like it is. It is hilarious to me, but like that is one of my favorite things outside of the brains and the humor of everybody and with Leon, I would say my favorite thing about Leon is he is a nerd Like.

Speaker 3: 58:07

I love the nerd, I'm nerd.

Speaker 6: 58:10

Like I know. I know Steve is a nerd and CJ a little bit of nerd. He'd be reading manuals and manuscripts, but like Leon is like a little nerd after my own heart, like I could, totally like I, I could be library friends with Leon.

Speaker 3: 58:26

So those are great friends.

Speaker 5: 58:29

Hey, that's. I'll take that as an ultimate compliment, because you guys heard me say the most underutilized resource in America is the public library. So thank you for that. It's a great compliment.

Speaker 1: 58:41

All right, it all comes down to CJ. Now Like CJ. Well, what do you love about the panelists here? What's?

Speaker 4: 58:50

what's so crazy here is, you know I didn't read the questions. Yeah, just yeah. I'm just going to preface with that, so I didn't. You know there's no preparation here. I didn't know that these were the questions. Until you know, until we started.

Speaker 4: 59:08

I'll start with Cassie Menley's first in all station. So what I? Here's what I love about Cassie, for knowing her a little bit over the years. There's a lack of strong woman presence in the business and Cassie shows up with that everywhere. There's not like a fear apprehension walking in the rooms, right. When you're in a minority position, right.

Speaker 4: 59:30

It can be difficult when you enter into spaces that are dominated by people that are different than you and it takes a different level of strength, I think, to rise above that, I know, rather to rise above that and experience and kind of be yourself in those rooms. And, as I think we can all agree, you know Cassie and RJ are certainly going to be there. They're Texas. You know hockey stick in, you know hockey jersey wearing folk. Anyway, go, and I like that. I have a lot of respect for that. I got it. I got to get me right there. I'm like I got to get hockey rollerblades for RJ for Christmas this year I might finally give him a gift.

Speaker 4: 1:00:15

I got to shout Steve out for being resilient. From observation, right, steve's talked a lot about in the last year or two dealing with his own struggles, fighting through different things in business. But you know, I see a guy that keeps showing up, keeps fighting, keeps making things happen, pivoting where needed. So shout out to Steve for being a resilient person. I think business and entrepreneurship is an incredibly easy thing to give up on or make excuses for. And I don't hear excuses when I talk to Steve, I just hear you know responsibility and using this pivot foot. So shout out to Steve on that. Leon, you know nerd, I think, is a good word, you know I think what's cool now, you know, is nerd doesn't have the same connotation it used to. So I do respect and appreciate Leon. I love about Leon. I like to nerd out, but I'm like like in the closet with my nerdness.

Speaker 4: 1:01:19

You know you got to pay attention to me a little bit to be like, okay, this guy's kind of informed. You know, with Leon he wears it like a Boy Scout uniform, man, I don't know if you remember, you know. At least, when I was growing up man, you know what I'm saying I joined the Scouts real quick because they said we could shoot BB guns All right Pocket knife, bro Pocket knife.

Speaker 1: 1:01:44

Don't forget that.

Speaker 4: 1:01:45

But I got to the camp they took. I got sent to a camp for a couple of days, potter. I called my mom from the first night. You know they had me sleeping on a cot, bro, and that's not my vibes, right. They had me sleeping on a cot. There were bugs coming in the tent so I had to bounce bro, because they had no guns available the first day. So I left, I just I never went back, all right. But like there was those kids, man, that, like they came to school with the Boy Scout uniform on and stood tall, all right, like the J R, t, j R O T C kids or however you say it. Uh, leon's one of those guys. I like that about Leon a lot.

Speaker 4: 1:02:23

Shout out to the Scouts and people that want to be in the military, but don't Um. And then Potter, um, you know, I got to shout Potter out, man, because he's got positive energy at all times, which I really appreciate. Uh, like, if I'm ever having a bad day which I'm not right, I don't have bad days but if I was to have a bad day, uh, I probably call Potter first. I'm sure he's going to say something and make me laugh, or being better spirits, uh, to do some. Energy is always up. Uh, I don't know if he's. You know, maybe it's booger sugar, maybe it's red bull, right, you know who knows, right, who knows it's 2024. I'm not here to. I'm not here to judge anyone's indulgences, you know what I mean? Uh, so shout out, shout out to Potter, uh, but that's why I love everybody here.

Speaker 5: 1:03:14

Well done. You know why, uh nerds are no longer seen like they were in the 80s, you know with the pocket protectors and things. You know why that is? Uh, they're not looked down upon because all their bank accounts start with bees. Hmm.

Speaker 4: 1:03:27

That's true. Nerds rule the world, my friend.

Speaker 5: 1:03:30

So look at any of those 80s and 90s pocket protectors? Have you ever seen that old photo of Jeff Bezos, uh, at his desk with a sign that said Amazon on it. He had before. He went bald and got all buff. He's nerd, but he just happens to be a very wealthy one.

Speaker 1: 1:03:49

There you go.

Speaker 6: 1:03:50

I'm gonna change the change of look up. Like, seriously, everybody shout out to Potter. Potter and Nicole are pretty much my spirit animals. Um yeah, like we should. We should all show them some love, for sure. That that was a good point. I did write it down, I just forgot to say it.

Speaker 4: 1:04:10

I got you a bet. I got you a bet.

Speaker 2: 1:04:11

I'll second that Nicole's pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 1:04:13

Yeah, looks like Steve's losing points I'm gonna beat someone.

Speaker 5: 1:04:22

Representation matters to have Cassie, chris, steve, you know, on this panel that's. You know representation matters in every industry, but especially in this industry. I'm I am firmly on the record of wanting more female boss ladies in the collective juniors community. We don't have enough Um, and I know they're out there Um, and we want more, uh, because you know there's representation matters. And, cassie, thank you for representing all the female boss ladies out there. Woo.

Speaker 2: 1:04:51

Yeah, I second that and I mean, in talking to RJ right, like uh, rj, uh, my experience is so much to myself, is so much to CJ, because I've seen CJ's operations and Potter and that were great ideas, guys, but someone actually has to make it happen.

Speaker 1: 1:05:10

Implementation matters.

Speaker 2: 1:05:11

Right. And so Cassie, from my conversation with RJ, does a really good job of that. And then, um, I feel like we have to give a shout out to um, happy Gilmore Right. Like, um, I didn't know RJ was going to be here, I forgot, and I can only picture the scene of him just getting going to the batting cage but his hockey outfit and I think we have to get, because I think that would be RJ I think RJ would go to the batting cage in his shirt with nothing underneath it, just to just to get belted, belted with that.

Speaker 5: 1:05:44

Hit, hit by baseball yeah 364 days.

Speaker 4: 1:05:48

What I, what I love too about RJ. You know, I remember the first time I met RJ not really Right, but you know I remember around the time, right and uh, you know, one thing I do love about RJ is, uh, I remember watching. Uh, you know, we're doing one of these shows which all and I was watching RJ for a second and I was just like, oh, he thinks he's really on TV, right, he takes a stand. Really serious man and I. What I like about RJ, what I love about RJ is I think he takes that level of approach to everything that he does. I'm not saying he does it well, right, I'm not saying he does a great job.

Speaker 4: 1:06:36

Yeah, I'm not saying he's got a long way to go. He's got a long way to go, but I think he plays games like he's practicing, like he's one of those guys right, he practices like he's in a game and I got a lot of respect for people like that. So RJ is somewhere right now. You know he's got the Andy Reed snot. You know he's probably you know what. I don't know what the poor beers are these days. Is it? Is it PBR? Is that? He's probably you know what he's bad.

Speaker 5: 1:07:07

He's got a he's got a blue Miller.

Speaker 4: 1:07:09

What is blue one up bud light? He's got a. He's got a bud light. I know RJ's got a bud light for sure. I know RJ's got a bud light in a Disney movie Right now, man. So big shout out to RJ.

Speaker 5: 1:07:23

I know we, I know we slapped you around a little bit, steve, but the platform that you have given us all here and also with the disruptors in general, my man, that's a major love shout out to you. For that I don't think you get enough credit, for I Talked to people daily that say, hey, I've heard about you guys through Steve train and all of the guests, so you've given us all the platform and I really appreciate that. And then we forgot to give a shout out to Pat Hilton.

Speaker 5: 1:07:50

Today's his birthday and happy birthday, and he also makes us look really good and a lot of these PTD promos that he's been doing here lately to us, for us. So shout out to Pat.

Speaker 4: 1:08:03

I know she's made me think of something happened earlier today. I wasn't gonna tell Steve, but since we're talking about wearing this spirit of love today, even I'm talking to somebody. Earlier today I wasn't going to, I really wasn't gonna tell you. And this guy walks up to me on the street and he's like. He's like, hey, I think I saw you somewhere. He's like somebody said that you do real estate and I'm like yeah, and he goes dude, do you know, steve train? And I said what this just happened today.

Speaker 4: 1:08:35

I Didn't want to tell you, cuz I didn't want to inflate your ego, because I thought the guy recognized me right and he didn't know how. He had no idea who I was right. He just said that he saw me in a video. What a guy he thinks Names tea train, and the excitement that this guy had saying your name. I'm like you know, I got. Wish I was. So what I got is well, I wouldn't give my number, but maybe I got. What I got is Instagram handle. I could send him a message and ask him why he was so geeked about Steve train. But you know what I said hey, now he's a friend of mine. All right, I said Steve trains a friend of mine, so shout out to Steve for sure.

Speaker 1: 1:09:17

No there you go, steve's coast to coast man. Steve's the brother that everybody has like, everybody feels like Steve's their brother, which is a good, which is a good place to be, all right. So final tally today we have mr Richmond VA, the champion for affordable housing, middle America, america. Chris Jefferson wins today.

Speaker 4: 1:09:43

He does oh man, yeah, shout out to affordable housing. Shout out to RJ being somewhere With the Disney logo on his jersey, washington right now saying to himself I should have just did it today. Cassie, you're a much better guest in RJ. All right, we wish we could just keep you and and let RJ yell from the background. But you know, you know it goes. It's always good to win. I'll start my outro first so I can get out of here. Much flooded everybody by to the people, potter by to the people and RJ. I'll see you soon, man.

Speaker 1: 1:10:21

I'll see you soon, all right. All right, steve. Say bye to the people.

Speaker 2: 1:10:28

Great show, as always. I think that again the conversation was a lot better. You know there's I'm not gonna highlight the reason why I was gonna say Better. So it was a pleasant day, fun day. Happy Valentine's Day. I know it's one day late, but happy Valentine's Day. Are you guys watching?

Speaker 1: 1:10:43

Are we gonna remove RJ from the PTD chat and just drop Cassie in?

Speaker 2: 1:10:47

there, we'll take that offline, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:10:50

Leon say bye to the people.

Speaker 5: 1:10:53

Bye people. Great show today and in the spirit of Valentine's Day, just always know that I love you all. Doesn't mean I have to like you always, but I love you all there we go.

Speaker 1: 1:11:03

Leon man, always the youngest looking 47 year old on the planet, for sure. Cassie.

Speaker 6: 1:11:12

People. It was great being here today. I'm honored At the miles, the historic milestone we've hit today first PTD female panelists. I'm just gonna own that forever. Sure deal, big deal. I appreciate you guys. Next Thursday is my birthday so I want to shout out for all of our February friends here. You know RJ is gonna be back next Thursday and he's he's probably gonna be. He's way worse at shit talking that I am, you know. Happy birthday to Steve. Yeah, I definitely kept it a little bit lighter today. Then maybe RJ does. He turns really red. So expect that red faced bearded man To be back next Thursday. But I'm really grateful to be on today. It's a great time. Thank you all.

Speaker 1: 1:12:12

Alright, everyone, we hope that you enjoyed Our episode today. Thank you for tuning in and we will see you guys next time.