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The Great Kegel Debate (Part 3): With Michelle Lyons

June 01, 2026 • Nicole Cozean, PT, DPT, WCS & Jesse Cozean

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Should we be anti-Kegel? Has the pendulum swung too far?

We brought on the one and only Michelle Lyons to continue the conversation. It deserved a Part 3, and there's no one else we'd rather deep dive into the topic with than Michelle. We cover:

Why Kegels and pelvic floor muscle training are NOT the same thing
The history of Dr. Kegel (and why we may have misunderstood him)
Why pelvic floor rehab is far more sophisticated than "squeeze and lift"
The role of strength, timing, coordination, endurance, and movement
Why social media has made this debate more confusing
How to become a more evidence-informed clinician

If you've followed Parts 1 and 2 of the Great Kegel Debate, this episode brings everything together with one of the sharpest minds in pelvic health.

Michelle Lyons

Michelle Lyons is an internationally recognized pelvic health physiotherapist, educator, author, and speaker. She has taught clinicians around the world on pelvic health, hormones, oncology, GI dysfunction, and women's health rehabilitation.

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