We're in uncertain times. In a time of a shaky economy, housing prices, coronavirus, stay-at-home orders, unemployment and political unrest (to name a few), it can be a difficult time to decide whether the timing is right for a divorce. The Three Wisemen of Divorce discuss different factors people should consider when deciding whether it is the best time or the worst time to file for divorce.
Presented by Financial Divorce Consultant Mark Hill, CFP®, CDFA®, Psychologist Scott Weiner, Ph.D., J.D. and Attorney and Mediator Shawn Weber, CLS-F.
The Three Wisemen of Divorce are divorce experts Mark C. Hill, CFP®, CDFA®, Financial Divorce Consultant; Peter Roussos, MA, MFT, CST, psychotherapist; and Shawn Weber, CLS-F*, Family Law Mediator and Divorce Attorney.
© 2024 Weber Dispute Resolution. All rights reserved.
We're in uncertain times. In a time of a shaky economy, housing prices, coronavirus, stay-at-home orders, unemployment and political unrest (to name a few), it can be a difficult time to decide whether the timing is right for a divorce. The Three Wisemen of Divorce discuss different factors people should consider when deciding whether it is the best time or the worst time to file for divorce.
Presented by Financial Divorce Consultant Mark Hill, CFP®, CDFA®, Psychologist Scott Weiner, Ph.D., J.D. and Attorney and Mediator Shawn Weber, CLS-F.
The Three Wisemen of Divorce are divorce experts Mark C. Hill, CFP®, CDFA®, Financial Divorce Consultant; Peter Roussos, MA, MFT, CST, psychotherapist; and Shawn Weber, CLS-F*, Family Law Mediator and Divorce Attorney.
© 2024 Weber Dispute Resolution. All rights reserved.
Welcome to the Three Wise Men of divorce, money, psych and law podcast. Sit down with the California divorce experts, financial divorce consultant Mark Hill, psychologist Scott Weiner and attorney Shawn Weber for a frank and casual conversation about divorce, separation, coparenting, and the difficult decisions real people like you face during these tough times. We know that if you are looking at divorce or separation, it can be scary and overwhelming. With combined experience of over 70 years in divorce and conflict management. We are here for you and look forward to helping by sharing our unique ideas, thoughts and perspectives on divorce, separation and coparenting.
Mark Hill :Greetings everyone. Mark hill here. I want to chat about something we thought might be an interesting topic. Is this the best of times to get divorced or is it the worst of times Most assuredly, there's positives and negatives about what's going on right now. So our discussion is going to focus on how today's environment makes some things much more difficult. But actually, some other things are actually going very smoothly, partly because of the way we've all been able to embrace this new technology.
Shawn Weber :Okay, so, um, what makes this a good time?
Mark Hill :Well, it's a good time, to some degree because I think it's made. It's a good it's a good time for bad reasons. What I mean by that is, it's been essentially a situation where people have been thrust together, marriages have been thrust together, and it's allowed couples to evaluate where they stand in their relationship and truth of the matter is, after being confined together, some have concluded that they do not want to be married. So I think that there's actually precipitated some situations that would have ended up ending in divorce anyway, just because of the way we've been forced into confinement together.
Shawn Weber :So you're saying it was kind of a kind of a catalyst kind of sped it up a little bit?
Mark Hill :I see that in my practice. And I think we all do, don't we, truly,
Shawn Weber :so it's a good time to get divorced when you can't stand your spouse anymore?
Mark Hill :Well, when you come to that conclusion, yeah, I mean, it's probably not a good time to divorce your spouse when you don't think you want a divorce. I get that. But at the same time, what we're dealing with is a heightening of all the emotions that come around with divorce. Because of the fact we are in such proximity to each other because of the rules we cover,
Shawn Weber :okay, I want to I want to play devil's advocate and bring the good psychologist in on this.
Scott Weiner :Oh, so
Shawn Weber :yeah, who's that right? No one. Oh, God. I don't know. So the devil's advocacy I want to do is okay mark. I think hear you. People are confined. It's kind of this weird thing that's kind of brought things into clear relief. But what happens when COVID is over? And they're not having to be so confined? Will will the marriage is it possible the marriage could do better and and if somebody jumps the gun, because they're really pissed off right now because he left his toenail clippings on the coffee table. Why would people? Is there a possibility that we're going to jump the gun? Okay. To you, Scott.
Scott Weiner :I think what you just said sounds repulsive, whether or not because this guy nails. Yeah, I know. I know. All right. All right. I think that there are situations in marriage that as dreadful as this COVID thing is, I think people discover that their marriage is worse than COVID. Their marriage is worse than the plague, and it hardly matters whether or not we're going through these times. In terms of the the pressure to to relieve themselves individually of this relationship, however, what we've spoken about before in our in our discussions is that the courts are essentially closed. So from that point of view, if you are if you absolutely must litigate, this will be a terrible time to try to get divorced. Of course, you know, here we are. I mean, it's rather obvious that what we do is mediate, and evaluate and coach people through the divorce process outside of the courtroom, hence, it doesn't really matter that much. I think that the extent to which in some of our collaborative cases, it's been important to be in the room, and that has happened a week I haven't tried a collaborative case yet done a collaborative case on zoom. You guys are both doing mediations on zoom right now. If I take it I think you correctly
Mark Hill :and collaborative.
Scott Weiner :Yeah. All right. Yeah. Are you meeting in the room too no,
Shawn Weber :I had already had my first live mediation the other day, and it was actually more uncomfortable with the face masks on. I would have much rather have done it by zoom. I was ready to tear that facemask off.
Mark Hill :Yeah, I think that, you know, going back to if I'm going to be the good guy, I'm going to talk about the good time to get divorced in this call. I would say that the fact that all the top professionals in the field have had to become very conversant with zoom, makes it a good time to get divorced. Because to some folks, it's actually easier for them not to be in the room. I understand the idea of seeing the body language. But one of the things I've noticed about online work is that it gives you the real opportunity to study the clients and see how they're doing throughout the process. As opposed to having just to pay attention to the speaker without having to give your eyes on them necessarily, I think it's very powerful that we can see how people react in the room and that is a positive that we don't always get the opportunity to see.
Scott Weiner :It's interesting.
Shawn Weber :Yeah, I mean, I could buy that I in some ways, I like the zoom meetings better. I just finished a case. Well, before I got on this call with you guys, I finished a meeting where it was very challenging emotionally. We needed to caucus so we went into breakout rooms and zoom does it has a beautiful Breakout Room feature and I was able to bounce back and forth between the rooms so that you know because they really needed to say some things to me that were too hard to say in front of the other person. And it was in some ways more efficient. In the bouncing back and forth. It is when I have to walk from room to room. You know, I say show on this. Some clients are able to control their emotions towards their spouse better on zoom than they do physically in the room. Well, proximity can be tricky. triggering.
Mark Hill :Yeah, exactly. What do you think about that, Scott?
Scott Weiner :Well, I am wondering, so if what if what you two are now saying happens to be true. And every once in a while it is, you know, after all. But if what you're saying is true, are we going to continue to do a lot of zoom meetings? When COVID goes away of all things?
Mark Hill :I think we may well, and you know, one of the things that was brought up, I was talking to some professionals earlier in the week about this. And some folks said, How are we going to treat this if the stay at home orders all go away, but some people who have pre existing conditions or who are older say until there's a vaccine, I'm not going back to face to face meetings. So I think that what that illustrates is that they better be accountable. Put level right from the start that a case that if it starts virtually on zoom is going to complete virtually on zoom or the client should be prepared for that even if stay at home orders. Go away.
Shawn Weber :Okay, so, so I got it. I got another point that another subject Are we ready to move on? Yeah. All right. And this is more your department mark. So the couple I was just on with, I think it's a terrible time right now for them to get divorced because he's not able to work. He's not getting unemployment because of the nature of his pay. You know, he's self employed. 1099 kind of guy. Mm hmm. There's not money around for them to do what they need to do. They're desperate for him to leave the house. It's like the Gaza Strip in the home. There's a lot of children. The children are really upset by all the tension in the home and they can't afford to go to separate residences. They just simply can't it can't happen.
Mark Hill :You're right. It's a terrible time for them to try to get divorced.
Shawn Weber :What do I do about people like that? Martin?
Mark Hill :It's so heartbreaking. You know, I don't know what we can do unless we're prepared to sort of give them is their equity if I, you know, I start asking the questions, is there equity in the home is that, you know, is there other any other sources of money we can find if they must separate? We've got to find a way for three to six months to get a separate residence for one of the spouses.
Shawn Weber :I mean, the good news is, you know, mortgage companies are allowing mortgage payments to be deferred. Yeah, and, you know, I'm telling people call all of your the people that you owe bills to whether you're worried you're going to pay them or not, and just find out Hey, hypothetically Speaking what would happen if I didn't pay one month? Or two months? Or three months? But you know, not that I'm planning anything but but hypothetically speaking, what would be your procedure? What?
Scott Weiner :If I absolutely couldn't pay it that would bring them
Shawn Weber :and when you frame it in such a way of you know, I just want to find out what might happen to me because this coven thing is concerning to me. I just want to make sure I'm prepared for everything.
Mark Hill :That's a very smart idea. I love that idea.
Scott Weiner :I have to ask about this case you're discussing No, no information necessary. But do these people have any kind of behavioral coaching going on? Because if you have to live in the strip, so to speak, as you're discussing, there are things people can do to, you know, relieve some of the we that's what coaches do
Shawn Weber :have a need. I would love to send them to you, Scott. The problem is they can't even pay their mortgage and they can't even buy food. with what's going on with them right now?
Mark Hill :Well, there's the tragedy of the American legal system is that some people are forced to engage in it without the funds to do so in an effective?
Shawn Weber :Yeah, I mean, is it you know, there's that access to justice concept. You know, people talk about access to health care. regular people can't afford expensive attorneys. Yep. And coaches.
Scott Weiner :Well, Mark, it's the British fault anyway. Well, sure.
Shawn Weber :I mean, we got some British, it's your system. Brexit soul. It
Scott Weiner :goes now
Mark Hill :goes back centuries, we've been responsible for everything wrong in the world since about, I would say the late 16, early 1700s.
Scott Weiner :I was gonna go to 1066.
Shawn Weber :Well, that was the
Mark Hill :French that was the French that screwed up on that.
Shawn Weber :I mean, Waterloo was good. meeting you guys did Magna Carta 15 A
Mark Hill :Magna Carta, we did do that. Yes.
Shawn Weber :Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, um, I mean, what this couple does have available to them as MediCal but so they're gonna they're gonna find therapy for people, but it's a very challenging situation. I, I don't know what the right answer is for them, because it's really, really challenging in the home. It's impossible financially. Yeah.
Scott Weiner :Shawn, Mark, do these people exhibit any indication that they have the capacity for self control? Do they show that or do they seem that way? Or are they just go ahead?
Shawn Weber :This particular couple? Yes. I'm trying to be careful not to say too much. But yes, yes. And no. I mean, it's it's volatile, but they they're there. They're doing Very well.
Mark Hill :So what what I would do is I've always said, you know, basic simple rules, help them with some rules. And then again, I if you can get them in front of a Scott, that is the ideal situation, but if not, what are the rules?
Shawn Weber :You feel like you may get them in front of it, a citizen of Scotland? The Scottish
Unknown Speaker :Government of Scotland
Shawn Weber :but but no Scott Weiner right? Exactly the coach, I think it would be wonderful. I think it'd be wonderful for them.
Mark Hill :But if you can't do that, and Shawan, you and I have had cases, you know, both individually and together where they won't entertain the thought. So, we are forced into the situation of going okay, well, what are the rules? You know, okay. If you meet in the kitchen and one of us already in there, the other one asks how long they're going to be. You give a reasonable estimate, you returned to your quarters, you know, no chasing people. Down the hallway, hold any discussions related to the finances in the divorce for mediation? I mean, there's a whole bunch of rules. We routinely come up with help to help people.
Scott Weiner :But it's not a solution. It's a band aid. I don't have a solution to offer you, Shawn. I do not. But I could offer you and offer them a pro bono meeting if you would like that. I will do that. Oh, well. Thank you.
Shawn Weber :Yeah, don't let that get out. Well, oh, wait. Oh, no. Too late. Yeah, well, no, I know you would and I would, I think they're gonna be okay. I think you know, they just we're just bringing the mental health system to bear on them in that respect. And there's a lot going on in this family. I don't want to say too much but it's it's a tough time for them. I guess to make the point. This is probably not the best time for them to get divorced. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No. is there is there a good time Is this a good time for some people to get divorced? financially?
Mark Hill :Mark? Yes, I think it is. You know, we have a number of cases that when this whole thing hit, people hit pause on their finances, they moved everything to cash. They just said, Whoa, wait a minute here. Let's see. And so you've actually I, you know, I've spoken to a number of people who have gone well, we're doing okay. The other thing is that if you have investments that you did not go to cash in, you're actually almost back to where you were back in Apple. So again, it's not a bad time to consider. If you're going to be dividing one of you is managing the money. How is it going to be if the market takes another 40% dump? And you were the one responsible for it, and their spouse comes to you and says, Where did our money go? Why didn't you get out? Well, if you are truly considering divorce, have a conversation about do we want to split cash or do we want to continue to be invested in Split the share is that what value they may be when we separate.
Shawn Weber :That's true. And I've heard so many people. You know, another thing is like this breach of fiduciary concept that we have here in California where, yeah, people think that it means the prudent investor standard meaning like if you don't invest properly, then you know, like a guy in a financial planning shop would do then then you owe me some kind of money. And the reality is there's really not much of an investor standard at all for the breach of fiduciary duty. So even if it's stupid investing, it's probably not gonna amount to much of recovery for the spouse that wasn't managing and controlling the finances. Is that's a
Scott Weiner :breach. Does a breach in this case require bad intent, or some sort of truly transgressing the interests of the other.
Shawn Weber :I mean, in practice, that's it ends up being what it is or did did you take money out and move it somewhere else that you shouldn't have? like to just send it to the Caymans Did you fail to disclose. And the first remedy for a breach of fiduciary duty is always the accounting, right that accounting is available, but short is some really nefarious behavior and failure to disclose. There's not a whole lot of remedies beyond that. Although, you know, I've, I've had some very successful breach of fiduciary duty cases, but that's when there's been bad behavior.
Mark Hill :And the other thing is, even if your spouse who goes No, I don't want to sell, you can move 50% of the accounts to cash.
Shawn Weber :I would be careful about that.
Mark Hill :Keep them still together, but have that you could you could.
Shawn Weber :Yeah, I mean, I put it
Mark Hill :you'd want it in writing is what you're saying, Shawn? Right. Yeah,
Shawn Weber :I wouldn't do it unilaterally. I because I might be. You might be in violation of the automatic temporary restraining orders. If there's already a divorce filed.
Mark Hill :I yes. But if it's by agreement, if spouse a says to spouse B, I want we got 500,000 Now I want my 250 in cash. I don't think there's any other spouse, he goes, Well, I want to keep my money invested. And you put together a written agreement, and you could file it with the court. We generally don't do that. And these things get honored. Well, he ation.
Shawn Weber :And that's the beauty of what we do when we do this outside of court, you know, when you're mediating or collaborating, you can have these kinds of agreements. Whereas if you went to court, everything would just be frozen. You know, and it's like, you'd have to have a motion to have a judge order what to do with this money. If there was a problem with the like, say the stock. I've seen this happen the stock. This happened in the last financial crisis, stock markets tanking, somebody wants to unload their, their stocks in the cam, because of the automatic temporary restraining orders, they lose their shirts. And by the time you get in front of a judge, it's too late.
Mark Hill :Who knows quite frankly, we don't know what the stock market's going to do over the next several months. I think everyone's very surprised by the way it's recovered. So quickly.
Shawn Weber :There's such a disparity between what's going on in the stock market and what's actually happening in the economy.
Mark Hill :There's been a huge amount of stimulus created by the federal government a lot of money. We don't have we're spending. The trouble is that the problem is go beyond the money that has been spent. You know, the unemployment checks that were were bumped up, they run out, I think, at the end of July, I believe. And a lot of the other funding is temporary. And so what happens when you're six months of mortgage relief is up If you still don't have a job? What do you do that?
Shawn Weber :Well, that's what I'm worried about. Is there going to need to be a second layer of stimulus for folks? Yeah, if it's true that the rest of the country you know, the it seems like the larger cities and the coasts seem to get hit harder, and now the rest of the country starting to get it?
Mark Hill :Right. And it seems to me that it's it's really just I, I don't know about they talk about first wave second waves. It's Seems like we got a big one rave rolling across and back across the country. Frankly, if you look, if you look at what's going on in Europe, now those cases are starting to come up.
Shawn Weber :Yeah. So I mean, what makes it bad is just the uncertainty. People are just, it's hard to predict what life's gonna be like. And so making major financial decisions when you say mark and a time of major uncertainty is kind of a scary prospect.
Mark Hill :It can be a scary prospect, especially when there's uncertainties around things like employment. You
Shawn Weber :know, like, I don't know if I'm gonna have a job.
Mark Hill :Exactly. And so when you're deciding to divorce, what are we doing, Shawn? We're taking the numbers today and projecting forward and people are making decisions based upon that. So if your employment is something you worry about, and quite candidly, guys, not everybody does. Some people are very secure in their employment right now. I've really been surprised. Some professions and jobs and I've done extraordinarily well. But if you own a couple of restaurants, you're in trouble.
Shawn Weber :Well, if you're claiming, if you're claiming unemployment benefits, aren't you getting more than you normally would because of some stimulus? Extra stimulus money? I can't remember what the
Unknown Speaker :the extra 600 bucks I think. Yeah.
Mark Hill :But that is running out, I think, at the end of this month. That's what I was talking about. Referring to there.
Shawn Weber :Okay. Yeah, yeah. So, um, geez, I'm kind of depressed. I mean, there's, what are some, I mean, what about the housing market? I mean, I found that the housing markets doing fine
Mark Hill :if you're in the sweet spot, now we're in San Diego and the sweet spot in San Diego is between a million and a million and a half. Apologies to anybody out of the country or out of state, but that those houses are selling extremely well not going very quickly because of a lack of inventory. I'm hearing that there is a sort of an urban flight. People, kind of the idea of a house in the suburbs with a fence around it as opposed to an apartment where people walk by without wearing masks, whenever I walk outside my front door might be something that's driving people to the suburbs. So it would very much depend upon the kind of real estate you have, and what your local market is. I know that homes that are in the more expensive range are taking much longer on the market. So it's not a terrible time, if you're in the sweet spot of your marketplace because there's a lack of inventory, interest rates are low, and there are buyers still out there willing to go forward. Now I've been told things are taking a little bit longer. mortgages are taking longer, they want to know both the start of the loan and the close of the loan, that you have verified employment for example. So there's a few other things taking longer but at the same time, the real estate market is not as bad And shape, but it is very much checking section.
Scott Weiner :So is it a good time or a bad time? I've heard that the that the mortgage process is slower that I know. I see houses going around for sale right now we're at near where I live, I see it happening. And I see people moving in and moving on moving trucks. On the other hand if we're using good and bad as in a more relative sense better or worse, I think all of this uncertainty and we I think we do have a new wave coming on. I heard that the city of Houston had this morning, four or five ICU beds to open and that's all that there's huge they I don't know how this affects us, but somebody listening to this might be affected. They just closed all the bars in Texas.
Unknown Speaker :Yep. Oh, no, not that.
Mark Hill :New today.
Scott Weiner :Now Shawn's really depressed. No
Shawn Weber :Scott, all my exes live in Texas.
Scott Weiner :Oh, my goodness.
Shawn Weber :Oh, all right. That's actually not true. I, I lied to you. So. Okay. What about the effect on the kids? Well,
Scott Weiner :I mean, let's look at the effect of divorce at any time on the kids. Is this relatively better or worse? I don't know. I would say that a really bad relationship between among, you know, in parents and the parent cohort there is probably expressing itself more directly and more insistently, on all these children staying at home with nowhere else essentially to go. Would that be made better if the pressure of the tension were relieved, hypothetically, possibly So, but I think everybody's under great stress of uncertain Now, so we might say that this just adds another, you know, another element of likelihood of future business for me when these people get older, but I don't know.
Shawn Weber :I mean, if you have these kids that are like, okay, the families are just kind of thrust together, they're stuck in this house together. I mean, we're starting to open up a little bit, but there's not there's very little outlet for the kids anyway. You know, short of, you know, My son has discovered that the Xbox is a great way for him to interact with his friends because they can get on and play together. But I mean, it's, it's, it's frustrating for the kids anyway, and then you add to that, okay, so he's on his Xbox. And that's all he can do for social interaction, and then his parents are fighting in the next room.
Scott Weiner :Well, I don't think the Xbox factor is really the factor. They're the factors that these young kids who are going to be most affected by a divorce are more stuck at home now than perhaps they have been in many, many Although admittedly, it's summer, but a lot of the activities that kids would normally have in the summer to keep them away for a day. They're closed down. They're simply closed down.
Shawn Weber :I mean, I think it's going to impact their I mean, schooling I know is an issue. Yep. And it's going to impact their ability to have a social life outside of the family outside of the home, and then if the faint things at home yeah, I mean, there's that old saying I'd rather be from a broken home than in one.
Scott Weiner :Yes.
Shawn Weber :You know, what do you do about you know, now I can't even be from a broken home. I have to be in this. And is that harder on that kid? Or, or or are there some areas there silver lining there, too? I don't know. Gosh, you guys. Mark. This is your fault. I I'm very depressed. You brought this up? Yeah. I mean It's a real question.
Mark Hill :Yeah, sure. I think it's the question that so many people are asking right now is, is it prudent to get divorced right now? Perhaps that's a better way I should have phrased it at the start. And I think that the struggles that people go through, and that we see they deal with throughout divorce can come to the cattle be brought to the catalyst as we talked about before by the current situation. But it can certainly make the practicalities of it worse and more challenging. But we talked about we've spent some time on cases where money is the reason that couples can't divorce or can't separate, I should say, at least temporarily while they're divorced is going on. That's not the case with every couple. Sometimes it's just, you know, well, I'm not moving out. Well, if you're not moving out, I'm not moving out. So how do you help couples who are in that situation? See That, yeah, it's gonna cost more money. But you're going to end up in two separate houses at some point anyway, if you're going to be divorcing so let's start the process. And let's start you focusing on a post divorce life as opposed to the Battle of your current situation.
Scott Weiner :presuming that being essentially temporarily, almost impoverished by the fact that nobody's working. If there's if there's financial support, if there's financial capability in the family, given that, and given the fact that this technology does allow us a certain amount of freedom from the pressure cooker effect in the rooms of mediation, this might not be such a bad time to get divorced for that for that.
Mark Hill :Yeah, I think you're right. And I'm not talking specifically with that couple. But I think some couples are just delaying and waiting for COVID to be over. And I and then they're going to do it, then they're going to make the decision. I think that it would be wise for people to understand a little bit if money is the worry about how this might look. And that's something that we routinely help folks with this. They're trying to make up their mind, can they afford to divorce? I've been asked that question more than once. And they're not asking, Can they pay my fees? They're asking, what is it going to look like post divorce? And can I survive in this community?
Scott Weiner :Well, Shawn, legally and on paper, are there ways that people can write in contingencies for circumstantial circumstantial modifications, post COVID. So that they don't have to have factors established in advance when they can't really determine how things are going to be?
Shawn Weber :Yeah, I mean, if you can dream it up, and we can write it in a way that is clear, and unambiguous, then yeah, we can write stuff out but we Writing contingencies, and what if some a plans versus B plans, you know, and we
Mark Hill :can also sorry, Shawn, but we can also write the agreement that says, This is how things are. And any change in circumstance is is a way or opportunity to revisit it if there's a need.
Shawn Weber :In California, for sure.
Mark Hill :Yeah. You don't have to do all the what ifs?
Shawn Weber :Yeah, that's true. And I tell people that, you know, one of our colleagues always used to say, you don't want to put too many angels on the head of a pen. You know, and sometimes you can do that with an agreement with agreement becomes so unbelievably complex, because you're trying to think of every possible contingency. I don't recommend that. But I think you can have some general if you want that, and you feel like it's good for your family in this transition, to have some contingencies and put them in, you know, but I was trying to, yeah, go ahead, Scott. I'm sorry.
Scott Weiner :Well, I was I was simply trying to address the the fact that we were proposing that the uncertainties that are present right now. might make it such that the unpredictability would hold people off. And I'm saying, Well, can we legally address those unpredictable factors? And in California with the flexibility we have, I would think so.
Shawn Weber :And you could you could make it even more flexible than when California would allow for, you can say this will have absolutely zero prejudice on our future decisions. This is a band aid to get us from point A to point B. And this is how we want to arrange things while we're trying to figure out the rest of stuff and then when CO is over, we're going to look at everything fresh. You could put that in your agreement. It we've done it again, guys, and the people have listened to yet another half hour of us talking about divorce. God bless you people know they're good people. So if you heard something on the on this broadcast on this podcast that jumped out at you something that was particularly helpful or or if you have a question, please comment on the podcasts and we'll read that and we will try to respond as quickly as we can. We'll even respond during the next part. Cast. We love that people want to listen to us. And we want to make sure that for your particular situation, you're thinking through every possible aspect.
Mark Hill :And we'd love to know what you might like us to talk about. We're not here to give specific advice on your specific case. But if you've got a general idea of something you'd like to hear the wise men chime in on, please let us
Scott Weiner :know. And even if you do have specific issues for your own case, and you ask about it in some kind of way, we will answer more generally, we certainly won't, you know, convey anything that would be problematic for you, but we're ready to address these things.
Shawn Weber :Well, and the other good news is you can also call us, so Scott, yes, if they wanted to call you How would they do that?
Scott Weiner :They would call 619-417-5743 because, as the ancient ancient elder in this group, I am not A website kind of guy, although I've been pushed and pushed. We never know that could happen. But I work on my telephone and I answer my own 61941757 for three, I'm in Solana Beach, California.
Shawn Weber :And Mark if they need some financial divorce consulting, what would they do?
Mark Hill :Go to my website I even though I not that much younger than my colleague who was just talking about his ancient status, they do have a website you can go to it is Pacific divorce management, www.Pacdivorce.com. And they're all our contact details. You can fill in the contact form. There's our phone numbers, love to help.
Shawn Weber :And if you have a legal question, or need help with a mediation, go to Weberdisputeresolution.com that's Weber with one B dispute resolution.com Thanks for listening to another episode of the three Wiseman divorce, money, psych and law. If you liked what you heard, be sure to subscribe. leave us a review and share with others who may be in a similar place. Until next time, stay safe, healthy and focused on a positive, bright future. This podcast is for informational purposes only. Every family law case is unique. So no legal, financial or mental health advice is intended during this podcast. If you need help with your specific situation, feel free to schedule a time to speak with one of us for a personal consultation.