Botox and Burpees
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S05E89 - A Closer Look at the New CrossFit Bison Owners Michael Dasilva and Adam Hawkinson
CrossFit has been a transformative journey for many, including our newest co-owners at CrossFit Bison, Adam Hawkinson and Michael Dasilva. Sam Rhee @botoxandburpeespodcast talks to them to find out who are they, and what are their future plans for the gym?
Strong community connections are integral to the ownership journey at CrossFit Bison, where they reflect on their paths and collective vision for the gym. Their commitment to fostering an inclusive and engaged environment drives future growth and wellness for all members.
• Adam's military background shaping his fitness perspective
• Mike's long-term friendship with founder Dave Syvertsen @davesy85
• Investing in CrossFit Bison rooted in community trust
• Plans for adapting to evolving gym demographics
• Emphasis on wellness, longevity, and sustainable fitness practices
• Approachability and open communication as key values
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All right, welcome to another episode of Botox and Burpees. I have my two co-owners with me. We are all recent owners of CrossFit Bison, along with majority owner David Syvertson, and today I thought it would be a really great opportunity to talk to both Adam Hawkinson and Michael DaSilva about their background, their experiences in CrossFit and why they decided to become owners of a CrossFit gym and what their plans are in the future. I think a lot of people have seen you around but don't necessarily know you personally. I've gotten to know you guys well over years and I think just knowing who you are will give people understanding about where the gym is directed towards, how we're helping Dave and how excited we are about all the different plans and improvements and growth that I think CrossFit Bison can undergo. So before I start, I just wanted to ask both of you what your backgrounds were, how you grew up, a quick summary of where you guys got up to in your adult life.
Adam Hawkinson:So, adam, Adam Hawkinson, turned 40 years old, had two young boys, married to my wife Stephanie, Grew up in Delaware, joined the military, spent the three tours in Iraq eight years in and after I got out, met my wife down in Delaware, moved to New Jersey. And that's when, I would say, my fitness journey kind of began. I was looking for something to kind of stay in shape after I got out of the military but started going to the global gyms just doing the typical, you know, back and bys, chest and shoulders, and I, just after I had ACL surgery kind of like, was missing my stride on staying in shape. And then that's when I kind of found out about CrossFit through watching TV, the CrossFit Games.
Sam Rhee:You were airborne, weren't you? Yes?
Adam Hawkinson:Did. Airborne had roughly about 13 jumps jumping out of airplanes, scared every single time, just making sure the pseudo-Vincy you know I had no control over that.
Sam Rhee:Wow, that's crazy. And Mike, tell me a little bit about yourself.
Michael Dasilva:Yeah, definitely haven't jumped out of any planes, don't plan on it. Um grew up in millen park with dave syverson. Uh known him probably since he moved from long island in third grade. So you know that's how I know dave. Um, now I live in glenrock with my wife of coming up on 10 years. We have two uh daughters six years old in a couple weeks. Um met her. Wow, I've known her my entire life. We uh she's my best friend's little sister, so I've known her for a very long time. Um living glenrock.
Michael Dasilva:How I got into crossfit was because I heard dave was opening up in jim and millen park and I was like you know what I haven't talked seen dave in a really long to CrossFit was because I heard Dave was opening up in Jim and Mellon Park and I was like you know what I haven't talked seen Dave in a really long time. Let me just swing by and see what this is all about. And then started working out and you know, was probably member number five I think I'll hang my hat on that one and you know, just started working out and fell in love with everything about CrossFit, from the training, the programming, the people, and really just wanted to embrace the whole thing and embrace Dave and I bought in immediately.
Sam Rhee:What's your day job? Do you have a job so?
Adam Hawkinson:that's what I'm saying now.
Michael Dasilva:That's what I'm saying now. That's what I'm saying now. Extractor. I work in the financial services industry, but my wife also has a building design business, so I help her out with that. We build homes in the area and we invest in other small businesses in and around Bergen County and other locations that we're in. But we you know when I say we invest in businesses that you know and we'll get into this. We invest in people that we love and we know.
Sam Rhee:So you've been there from the beginning. That's 2014. Do you remember your first CrossFit workout or when you first started?
Adam Hawkinson:Not the first CrossFit workout or when you first started, not the first CrossFit workout. I joined in March, like 2017, I think it was right after the open, yeah, um, but I do recall it was Karen was like the first thing that stuck out in my mind and I probably used the women's 14 pound wall ball. The depth was fine, but I couldn't hit the target and I just remember I had a female that was judging me and I was getting no rep. Then I was in my head. I was like I'm ready to quit. I was like this is ridiculous, I don't like this. And then I judged her and I watched her hit the target every single time and I'm like, wow, I mean, if she can do this, I need. I had no excuse to not be able to do this. I need to step up my game. So it made me a little hungry to come back for a little bit more.
Sam Rhee:I have done Karen a bunch of times 150 wall balls for time, and every single time I'm always in the middle of it Like what the F? Do you remember your first workout or a memorable workout when you first started?
Michael Dasilva:No, obviously, no, no, but almost you know, like you guys say, karen, like that's 150 wall, like, until you said what Karen was like I love CrossFit, right, but I'm not one of these CrossFit like purists that like I know Karen, I know this, I know that Like I love CrossFit conceptually and you know and everything around it but I'm not.
Adam Hawkinson:We might work on your double owners before we start, or I ain't got names, you tried junking twice and going under once.
Sam Rhee:So what made you decide to invest in CrossFit Bison? What were the circumstances where you said, okay, this is an opportunity that I want to participate in this.
Michael Dasilva:Yeah, so I'll jump in for any on that one. So I think to answer that question, we kind of have to understand what got us to the opportunity to invest in CrossFit Bison, right, I think we can talk freely about that.
Adam Hawkinson:Yeah, of course.
Michael Dasilva:So when was it it was probably January, February that you came.
Sam Rhee:Of last year or this year 2024.
Michael Dasilva:Yeah, yeah, this just a little while ago you came to hawk first, which I don't know why, the guy doesn't know any. Um, you came to hawk first with an idea about opening up a gym in another area around here and then you came to me and we talked about it and hawk and I didn't I think we knew that you were coming to us to talk to us about something, but we didn't really know what it was right. And when you left the conversation with Hawk, he had an idea. And when you didn't tell me and when you left that conversation with me, I had an idea. And both of those ideas led us to that's a great idea, sam opening up a new CrossFit gym in that area with these guys.
Michael Dasilva:But what about finding a way to invest in bison, which which we love? Right, and you know we took it away for a couple months. We approached Dave about it and you know Dave was interested in the idea, but Dave didn't really want to go anywhere and, as everyone knows, it was Dave, dave and Chris who who owned Bison and you know the natural progression there was. If Dave's, you know, if this is Dave's lifelong goal, right, let's see how Chris feels about it, and timing is everything in life. We approached Chris and you know the timing wasn't right at that moment, when we approached him in March or wherever it was and then we kind of sat on it for a little bit and, you know, planted the seed and then just kept on having the conversation with him and organically it came up that you know, it was the right time for Chris for things that he was going on in his life, what was best for him. And then we came together as a collective and collective and we said, okay, let's do it, let's let's value this thing at x amount and x number and let's figure out what percentages each of us want to own and let's figure out our roles.
Michael Dasilva:So, once we got to the point that the opportunity was present, what made me want to invest in bison? Two things dave and the community. I believe in Dave, love Dave, dave is Bison, bison is Dave. And then the community. Right, like, I started in 2014, took four years off, once I had my kids and came back to it and it was a different Bison, but it was the same Bison because the community even though the people were different, the community was still. You know what you love and what you remember.
Adam Hawkinson:So that's, that's the reason why I invested in bison and to what mike was saying exactly right, where it's dave, the community, even though, as we're getting older and we've been in the cross at bison uh area for a while now even though we're getting new members, it's almost like you get to see the same members just like re, you know reinvent themselves where it's the same group, same vibe, same energy that's coming into it.
Adam Hawkinson:So, even though you have this dog house that's coming in now at 6, 15, uh, yeah, it's. It's just nice to have that. Every single person that you meet, no matter what time of the day it is, you can connect with them on a personal level and everyone's just such a nice person where you have no problem getting to know them, meeting them outside of the know, be in each other's weddings, like I met Brian and Liz and, uh, you know, you get to know this guy a little bit more, which takes a toll on me, but uh, you know, and then I can go get a facelift, uh at my saw at a bar, no, but uh, the community and Dave are the two factors.
Adam Hawkinson:I think that really just drive it home makes it an easy decision.
Sam Rhee:Yeah, I almost forgot that it did spring out of. Uh, there was a possible location, like they even had been talking about opening up a second place, and so we scouted this place pretty far away, like not in competition, and it just didn't work out. The finances didn't work out all that, and I remember at the time thinking, well, who would we want to be part of that if we did that? And you guys came to mind, and then I remember it never came, like you guys were always thinking well, and also, if we could be part of Bison, and that never really seemed realistic to me. But, like you said, it really was about timing at some point. You know, dave and Chris DeFaro had founded the place, they had grown it and it had been doing so fantastically well.
Sam Rhee:But people do move on and do different things, and when Chris felt like that's what he wanted to do which was a very surprising opportunity actually which was a very surprising opportunity actually, we had already been talking about what were we going to do if another place was available, and in North Jersey or in Jersey in general, like real estate, it's just impossible to find anything but the chance to, like you said, invest in the people here, the community, the ties, like it was a really special opportunity and and um, the fact that you guys knew that I think like it was in you, that was what made it the right thing. It wasn't just some dude coming from somewhere who had, who knew nothing about it, just throwing some money, and it was people who understood the fabric and the culture of the community and Dave, who, as you said, is the driving force.
Michael Dasilva:Yeah, and I think, Sam, just to expand upon that and I know you have an outline that you want to stick to I'm going to throw you a couple of curveballs. Okay, what made you feel like Hawk and I and Dave were your right partners? Why did? Why did you like, why did you want to get into a partnership with us?
Sam Rhee:Well, I mean, I think Dave is a proven success, right, he took this gym and and built it. It's now, you know, around 300 or so, which is pretty one of the bigger gyms in the country, uh, in terms of CrossFit. And then you guys were well, first of all, let's be honest, you guys have the financial means and resources. Uh, there are a lot of people who are great people, but if you can't invest significant capital into something, then you can't make things happen. And so that was one of the things. But the other thing was trust. Right, Like, when you work with somebody, you got to trust them.
Sam Rhee:And I know we think divergently on lots of stuff. We come from different perspectives. I've never jumped out of an airplane, I've never worked in finance, but that diverse set of experiences brings different perspectives, and that's where I think our owners meetings are so interesting, because we actually have a lot of different perspectives. We all actually converge eventually and we come up with I think is a best solution or approach to whatever it is that we're talking about or dealing with. But I feel like that trust was the reason why it worked and why you want to work with somebody, and that was the number one priority. So at this point, how do you think the gym is doing? What plans do you have for the future? What do you think the state of? We actually just said that. What do you think the state of the gym is? We just had a meeting where we talked about it and where do you think it's going to go?
Adam Hawkinson:I think you know I love how you know. When we were thinking about some other things down the road, we decided to focus more on Bison in-house. Get that moving forward. I think we'll never be in a bad situation as long as we keep our heads on our shoulders and not look too far down the road, keep everything focused right in front of us, keeping the members first and foremost, making sure that they're happy, their needs are being met. As long as we can keep doing that, I think that Bison will always continue to grow as long as the energy is still there.
Michael Dasilva:Yeah, I'll second what Aaron says. You just have to listen to people, right? Like when we go into the gym. I think our biggest attribute as owners is that we talk to everyone, right? Talk to someone, ask them hey, like X, y and Z, what do you think the gym needs? What do you think that we can do better? And asking that question to people in any business from your plastic surgery business to when you own the UPS store to my, my business is it shows one people that you care what, what they think to, that you're invested in the business. If it's something as silly as you know, one person wants new ropes to climb because the ropes are in not great condition, you buy new ropes, like that person felt, like they were heard or there's just like other little things.
Michael Dasilva:So, like, the most important thing I think for us as owners is listen to people and listen to what the community wants and always have a pulse on what's going on. Right, you don't have to be involved in the gossip and the drama and all that. Actually, preferably you stay out of it, but just listen to what people are saying, respect people's opinions about things, even though you might be contradictory to what we're trying to do but also fulfill some of the things that people want. And you know, I think, for Bison now and moving forward. You know demographic we always talk about age demographic in this business and the age demographic is increasing. Right, the want for the workouts and style workouts is still there in a strong demand. But how do we triage for an aging demographic that wants something that maybe they're not fully capable of doing? And I think that's kind of what we're thinking about.
Sam Rhee:You mean people don't want or can't do ring muscle-ups like 15 unbroken or squat statch 135 or seat cut.
Michael Dasilva:But not everyone. Not everyone can do that. But then you have the beasts in the gym that still can, and when I say beasts, this doesn't mean the young kids. Some of the older people are doing things that just blow your mind. So I think for us, as an owner, listening and being progressive with how we approach fitness is is going to be the secret sauce to bison for the next 10 years and beyond.
Sam Rhee:I think, um, for me it's always about fitness, art and the health of everybody. I always think about what can we do, as you said, to maximize everyone who comes to Bison's health and fitness? I think CrossFit sometimes gets the wrong label that it's about pushing limits and going so hard that it's almost excessive. Almost excessive, and I would say probably the first couple of years, uh, when I got here, like all of CrossFit's philosophy was go unbroken, go hard, like all of that. And I think both CrossFit as a whole and us in particular at our gym have realized, because we're getting older, because of our demographic and also because we're just we've learned that there is more to fitness than max intensity every time you know, I think, having dealt with sprains, injuries, which you are in every fitness, fitness activity, we are now really trying to maximize longevity wellness.
Sam Rhee:But some of that, I realize, also has to be intensity, like you have to bring it sometimes, and so finding that right mix of wellness, longevity, health focus plus bringing that intensity, that is really what you need in order to maintain your capability is. It's tricky, but I think we're starting to figure it out more and more.
Adam Hawkinson:Yeah, I think everything's moderation, knowing you know where to push, like you said, but it's like just making sure that you're happy in what you're doing, then just knowing at some point that you do want to push yourself. You know you want to see what you're capable of, and then having that desire is what makes you, you know, grow inside and outside of the gym.
Sam Rhee:What do you think the biggest challenge or issue? Remains at our gym. That still needs to be addressed. Remains at our gym. That still needs to be addressed.
Adam Hawkinson:I think for me, thinking about that, it's basically as far as the size of the gym, as we're getting more members, it's trying to maximize the space, make sure that people don't feel crammed, but getting enough people into the classes that if we can get more people in, you know, no one's feeling neglected when they can't get in, can't sign up on time. Uh, I think that's going to be the biggest thing in my mind. Um, everything else, I think, falls in place, going off of dave having trust in him. You know we invested in him, like you said. Uh, we all agree with that and you know, I think as long as we stick together like we'll have no problem moving forward.
Michael Dasilva:Yeah, again, adam, spot on. I think when you think about challenges, you also have to think about, you know, the challenges you have now are your future, right? The reason why you have challenges now is because we're growing right, and growing is our future. The reason why we're so focused on dave and and our coaches, which, outside the community, the coaches are the most important are our most valuable assets. So, you know, I think the challenges are accommodating the community as it grows. What do we have to do with space? Right? And what do you have to do with people that still have the drive and urge to do CrossFit but maybe just can't physically sustain it, right? So we're thinking about that new concept, jim, you know. And then coaches right, we're investing in coaches. We want them to come up with different ideas, like what Adam and Kayla just came up with Absolutely fantastic. I think the whiteboard that they have is a little shabby, but we got to get them something new.
Michael Dasilva:You're talking about the nutrition chapter. Yes, and K Wellness that's coming online and a couple other ideas that we're floating around for coaches to really embrace what they are interested in and what they excel at and then introduce that to the community in a thoughtful manner. So then it makes everyone better. So I think you know. I think those are the challenges that we face.
Sam Rhee:What is your favorite CrossFit movement or workout?
Adam Hawkinson:The two that come to mind for me, probably because I'm somewhat good at it, is I love power cleans and I love bar muscle-ups. It's those two. They just it clicked with me whether it's my anatomy of my body growing up wrestling. We never lifted much weight, it was everything was body movement. So we did a lot of pull-ups. So then, going into the bar muscle-up, it just when I transitioned. I just liked the easy, the ease of judging a movement like that where you down at the bottom, you're at the top, there's no in between, there's no gray lines. It's good rep or no rep. But those are my two favorite probably.
Sam Rhee:How many unbroken bar muscle ups have you done? What's your max?
Adam Hawkinson:the most that I because they're smooth.
Sam Rhee:I'll tell you, they're real, they're like butter and I know that I've done one.
Adam Hawkinson:What no dude, this guy does them all day 15. I know I did 12 with kevin urchak at the uh waldwick competition. We did um. I wasn't planning on it, but as I watched the guy next to me just kept going, I was like, all right, I'll just hold on. Um, I remember that, but it's 15. I know I could do more, but I don't want to push myself and get hurt unless it's like, okay, I need to hold on to 16 to finish and then I'll do 16. Then next time I'll try 17. But 15 is probably the number that I have Got it.
Michael Dasilva:How about you? It's interesting that you think you're good at both hip movements.
Sam Rhee:You're pretty good at bar muscle-ups too, actually. Oh yeah, with your chicken wing. No, do you shake your chicken wing? No, does he chicken wing? Do you chicken wing?
Michael Dasilva:Oh, really, I was terrible. Julia Kelly makes fun of me every time I do it. And then I think my favorite movement is toes to bar. Like I don't, like. I feel like I can just get into a flow on toes to bar and I can, you know, rep out a bunch. Yeah, there's not one movement that I really don't like, except for, probably, bear crawls. I think those are the worst things in the world.
Adam Hawkinson:They are really bad. They don't look good.
Michael Dasilva:doing them Nobody does Everyone looks bad? We thought bear crawls should be a movement that should be in functional fitness. Probably shouldn't leave.
Sam Rhee:What is the hardest workout that you remember doing?
Michael Dasilva:Tell you what the one we did on Wednesday, the five rounds. Oh yeah, that was horrible Wait.
Sam Rhee:so that was five rounds of what was it again?
Michael Dasilva:I got to go back and look real quick. We got to go back and look. But I remember getting done with that workout and I was like you know what that was? It was hang cleans. No, it was six touch and goes oh right it was, and then you went over and you went to and then you did nine sit-ups right and then you did, then the toes to bar yeah, so it was five sets, two rounds, six touch and go, clean and jerks you choose your weight.
Sam Rhee:Nine sit ups, six toes to bar, nine push ups, rest two minutes, and so you had twice, right, so it was two rounds of that. You rest after the second round two minutes. Yes, that was. That was pretty horrific actually.
Adam Hawkinson:I didn't mind that one, I think, just because I told what Dave said, maybe a little too extreme, but where he said go lighter than you think. So I probably would have started off 95 and then went 115 right away, but I started off 75. I did that for first two rounds and then I increased to 95. Um, but I just remember. For me uh, I had to write it down because I didn't want to forget it was 19.5, whereas the rep scheme is 33, 27, 21, 15, 9 of 95-pound thrusters chest-to-bar pull-ups we did at the old gym.
Adam Hawkinson:I remember that and when I heard you did it with Dallas and they were saying that Dallas did all singles for the chest bar, I was like that doesn't make sense. Like you could do, yeah, do butterflies. But being in one movement for 33 reps or 27 or even 21, those are always, for me, my weaknesses. I like to be able to do, you know, five to seven reps or something, move to something else, let that body, uh, you know recover and then move to the next thing, be able to hit that next uh movement and then just be able to keep moving like that. But when I was sitting there for 33 reps I was like I want to quit, I miss what's up right now. But knowing everyone's doing it, it's like okay, I can't be that one person, the only person that just decides to stop. I'll'll pick an injury, say I got a cramp or something.
Sam Rhee:I remember that one and I remember Dave Boak was doing singles and I saw him do it and I was like man, I got it at the end and I remember because Jose was videoing us he's a videographer, a photographer and he caught me, like my last rep of the chest to bar at the very end and I literally was so pathetic I collapsed and looked like a rag doll and he was like trying to, you know, give me a fist bump and I just I couldn't even like move. I literally could not move, like that was. That was probably one of the worst moments of my life.
Adam Hawkinson:That's where, like, I just started getting the butterflies. So I was like, oh, like, get through the thrusters and then just hammer out the butterflies. And when I went to go, like my lats were just numb. I was like I don't even know if I can get my chin above the bar now it was rough and sure, sam, uh, I think 19.5 was probably pretty terrible.
Sam Rhee:Uh, I I remember probably my worst experience was I went I did a comp uh with Kathleen Staunton and there were double unders in it. I had been practicing them and I crapped the bed on them and I just remember I was failing like tremendously. I couldn't get through the double unders and it was one of those like nightmare scenarios where like you're like everyone's watching you and you can't get it done. Just relax, I can't. And I was like, oh my god, this is my worst nightmare. I'm literally failing and everybody's watching me fail up on stage.
Sam Rhee:And uh, it felt terrible because one I not so much that I fail, because I fail all the time and in CrossFit workouts, but that Kathleen was my partner and I let her down and we just missed um making podium, like we couldn't get on to the um, whatever. The top three had one more wad to compete and we didn't make it and we were like good, we were comfortable in, uh, in that top three and my crap, ass, jump, jump, rope performance dropped us out and you know, that was really like probably one of the worst moments I ever had. I felt terrible. Kathleen still talks about it. I know she does, of course she doesn't, and she's now competing at Legends and killing it, so but you know, that's why I think CrossFit's filled with moments where you have triumphs, you have failures, you put yourself in very difficult situations, but they're at the gym, so they're relatively safe. It's not like you're going to—.
Michael Dasilva:But you make yourself vulnerable within a group of people on a daily basis, and that says a lot about people that come and do CrossFit.
Sam Rhee:I think so, I think just pushing yourself in that capacity it does something.
Michael Dasilva:And the touch on Kathleen like that woman is such an inspiration with everything that she's gone through in life with her own story. And she's down in Arizona at a legends competition. Like you come to a 930 class, you work out next to her, like, whether she knows it or not, like me as a competitor next door, like she's pushing me harder to to to be better at what, whatever movement or whatever WOD is that day and that's that just goes back to community.
Sam Rhee:Well, yeah, both her and Joel Treller were featured in 23.2 and their stories were so inspirational and the gym is filled with inspirational stories like that so I find that very um encouraging, for me at least. Like you said, when you go and you're working out next to them, um, all right, so let's close up. Tell me some one thing that people wouldn't actually know or expect about you actually know or expect about you.
Adam Hawkinson:I'm an open book. Uh, I probably taught more than I did. Uh, but I mean I would say, like when we were talking earlier, like a lot of people didn't know or don't know that I was in the military. Uh, that was probably my only thing, cause I never talk about it unless someone asked me, like what I did before. Uh, but definitely, jumping out of the airplanes, being in the military and then doing the three tours in Iraq were probably probably the biggest thing.
Sam Rhee:But how about you?
Michael Dasilva:That's a good question. I don't. I feel like people know me pretty well. I you know there's nothing about me, that I'm very much an open book, like like Adam said, and I don't. I don't have a good answer for that one.
Sam Rhee:I think people would be surprised. The choice of hand soap that you use in your bathroom yeah, I like a nice hand soap.
Michael Dasilva:You get that bougie hand soap. That's really really Same ones that your wife has in your bathroom, that we compare when it goes on sale.
Sam Rhee:I was like wait there are other people who actually buy this crazy expensive stuff. So, to recap, thank you for sharing. I think it's not easy, especially when you guys I know you guys are both relatively private, you guys aren't like. You guys Don't sit there and post constantly on social media. You're not even on social media, and I know. Create an account for him, is that right? Like the mike de silva ghost account, um, but uh, if there's one thing that you want to let members sort of close with, like that you want them to sort of finish out this interview with what would be that one thing be for you, yeah I'll take that one first.
Michael Dasilva:Um, I think that members and yeah, and pretty much anyone in life like we're approachable guys, adam and I, like we want you to come up to us, we want you to give us suggestions, we want you to give us feedback and it doesn't always have to be positive, it could be negative like we're guys that are doers, right, like we're sitting up on ladders in Bison hanging stuff, fixing stuff, and like we don't go on ladders. We know nothing about ladders. You shouldn't be on ladders, you shouldn't be on ladders. So like I think that people should know that one, we're approachable. Two, we want to hear from you. And three, like your opinion matters to us. Like it's it's really important for us to make bison, what it is now and what it's going to be in the future. And, um, yeah, just start a conversation that's it.
Adam Hawkinson:Yeah, uh, when I was in the military, people always said to higher ups that no matter what you're doing, where you're at, someone's always watching you, whether it's your kids, a stranger and everything you do is always judged off of that one moment. Whether you like it or not, perception is reality and I think I mean you do every job as if it's the only job that you have to do. I mean I'm cleaning the bathrooms at the gym and I don't mind it. I like getting not so much to get my hands dirty, but I don't mind doing any job. I just wanted everyone to know that, no matter what they think, perception of the people that are owning the gym or help run the gym, the coaches, that we're here for them and you know, as long as we can make the gym better, it helps them, it helps us and it just makes the day-to-day activities that much better.
Michael Dasilva:Sam, thanks for taking a risk on having me and him on. You didn't know which way this was going to go.
Adam Hawkinson:Oh, he sent my face with sagging. That's why he gave me a facelift that pulled his skin back.
Michael Dasilva:That's why he sent us a strict outline because he wanted us to be on point.
Sam Rhee:Well, I'm going to go through this and cut out all the stuff that so this might be a highly no, I'm just kidding, but one minute right, but I appreciate you guys taking the time. Um, I'm really looking forward to the future with you guys, and I feel like between you, you, me and dave, I feel the future crossed with bison is extremely bright and I can't wait for 2020 exactly well, thank you, so thank you.