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S05E91 - Ron Ananian: The Car Doctor and CrossFit Athlete – Radio Icon and Lessons of Perseverance
Ron Ananian @ronananian, famously known as the "Car Doctor," takes us on an exhilarating journey from being an auto mechanic to becoming a celebrated radio host with over five decades of experience. The episode is pulsating with Ron's passion for all things automotive and fitness, as he shares captivating stories from his nationally syndicated show that has almost a million downloads. We also delve into Ron's dedication to CrossFit and the life lessons he has learned about humility, perseverance, and the beauty of small steps in personal growth.
(Bonus tip: Ron shares which app he used to lose 25 pounds over the past several months!)
With over 50 years of automotive expertise and a nationally syndicated radio show (now back on WOR!), Ron recounts poignant interactions with listeners that illuminate the profound impact media can have. With an engaging narrative, he explores how podcasts are becoming the new talk radio, while traditional formats adapt to stay relevant.
Transitioning into personal territory, Ron reflects on his philosophy to embrace change and maintain a zest for life. His insights into the automotive industry's future—balancing electric vehicles, hydrogen fuel cells, and traditional gas-powered cars—provide an enlightening perspective on current challenges and opportunities.
This episode isn't just about cars and radio; it's a testament to adaptability and passion. Ron shares his personal preferences for simplicity amid the fast-paced automotive landscape, and how his love for a reliable Chevy Suburban symbolizes his approach to balance and security.
With anecdotes of overcoming fears, maintaining discipline, and the importance of having a Plan B, Ron's narrative is a vibrant reminder of the power of passion and adaptability in achieving long-term success. Whether you're an automotive enthusiast, a fitness buff, or someone looking for inspiration, Ron's journey offers valuable insights and motivation to start making changes, no matter your age or circumstance.
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Welcome to another episode of Botox and Burpees. I'm here with my most famous guest, the car doctor, dr Ron Ananian. He is an experienced auto mechanic, a renowned radio host, show host and a fitness enthusiast. He's had over 50 years of repairing cars and since 1991 on the radio helping you repair them. He is an expert at everything automotive. He's known to millions as Ron and Annie and the Car Doctor on Talk Media Network's nationally syndicated show. It's live 2 to 4 pm on Saturdays, has over 1,400 episodes to date, and he's also on iHeartRadio iHeart Podcast, which is the number one podcast publisher globally More hit shows than any other podcaster and I think you're creeping up on a million downloads pretty soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're kind of getting there. Thanks for having me, Sam. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it. I appreciate you coming. You can find his show on the sorry carddoctorshowcom. You can also call in which is pretty cool Anytime anywhere 855-560-9900. You have a it's's live. It records everything, right, so you just call at any time, have a question, they'll pick up on it.
Speaker 2:it doesn't have to be between 2 and 4 on Saturdays and they'll use it, right, yeah you know, you just call in and then somebody somebody in the team will call you back and say, hey, can you be ready for Saturday at 2.30 and we'll schedule you up and we'll put you in the live broadcast. The other thing we do with the 855 number is sometimes I'm doing a tape delayed show. I want to go see the grandkids, but I always want to put fresh content up, so we will make a show We'll do Wednesday night. I spend Wednesday night with the car doctor. I'll call people back and schedule them and we'll answer the question. The goal is to answer everybody's question. I think we can fix every broken car in America. That's what it's about. That's really how the whole concept started.
Speaker 1:You are also working full-time at your auto body, your auto shop RA Automotive, which is on 59th West Prospect Street, waldwick, new Jersey, and their website is raautocom. I love your motto we fix everything but a broken heart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that just kind of crept up on me, and a lot of the things I've done here, as you're going to find out, as they're going to find out. I didn't really plan any of this. This just sort of happened.
Speaker 1:Well yes, but chance favors are prepared. Mind, let's put it that way. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, okay, I'll give you that. Chance favors are prepared. Mind, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll give you that.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So I remember I was on the Herd Fit podcast with David Syvertson two years ago. We interviewed you then and we really went on a deep dive on your start, like how you started as an auto mechanic, how you started your radio show and also your fitness, your CrossFit start story. So that was season two, episode 73. So if you want to listen to more about Ron, definitely check that episode out, herdfit Podcast. And now you're still going strong. I coached you at 5 am and this is just an example of a typical workout that Ron does every you know how many days a week are you crossfitting? Now Four, yeah, four. You were five, now you're four. It was an eight round workout six hang, dumbbell, clean and jerks, three right, three left, 10 dumbbell lunges, three wall walks and 10 sit-ups. You remember that workout. I remember that workout. What were you thinking about? How was it for you?
Speaker 2:How can I be upside down at this age? You know, it's just so amazing when I a lot of my life I never planned and I think that's true for a lot of people. You know I just life changes by the minute. You know we're going to be here one minute and the next minute we're not is kind of how I've lived my life and I'm always trying to be ready for the change. And to be upside down doing wall walks at 5 am at this age, or any age, never got up one day saying this is what I want to go, do I? Just? I've always approached life. What can I learn next? What's the next thing I can learn? What's the next bit of information? What's the next thing to do? And I think that you got to have a bon vivant, you got to have a zest for life a little bit.
Speaker 1:That blew me away. I've known you for seven years now and you are not someone who just came in who's you know, we have some athletes that are just totally fit to come in. They figure out how to dupe our muscle up or ring muscle up right away. You're like me, you're just, you know, a regular guy. You came in and now to watch you in seven years in, to get up onto a wall, literally walk your way up and walk your way down, that blows me away, like that skill learning on a pretty elite level. That shows me, no matter what capability you have or what age you are, you can always learn new skills. And I think you know, certainly as a physician, that really makes me know that a lot of our mental plasticity, what we do as human beings, doesn't stop, like you, can continue, no matter what age you are, to improve, to get better, to grow.
Speaker 2:Right, I agree with that and I think a lot of it is genes. All right, I have good genes, you know. To Armenian parents, you know I always think of the billy go to the top of the mountain. I think that's the Armenian thing, right, mom lived to be 95. At 95, you could see her. She went down hill fast. She was gone in six months.
Speaker 2:I want to be that. I want to make 100. If I can't make 100, I'm going to be mad. God's going to be upset. He took me early, you know, in plain English, but I think it's attitude. You know I do some prep. I try to, you know. I know we're going to talk about this later, but you know I try to eat right, I try to watch. I have a lousy sleep pattern. I admit that my sleep pattern could get better, but I think it's what's inside. I think you got to have that. I think the word is intestinal fortitude. You've got to have that drive. I see too many guys. I went to my. I looked at pictures of my high school reunion. They just had their 50th right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I looked at the pictures and I went man, they're a bunch of old people Look how old these guys are, like holy cow, I don't see myself like that.
Speaker 2:I'm glad I don't think anything about what I do, whether it's wall walks upside down, whether it's the deadlifts. I was at the deli yesterday and we were getting lunch and somebody was there and they're talking about fitness and I don't know how we got on the subject. But we got on the subject of deadlifts and the one guy was telling me how he does a 240 deadlift and I said yeah, that's great no-transcript. Four days a week. You know he's at the gym, I'm at CrossFit um, you know he says and he said he said do you deadlift?
Speaker 2:I said what do you do? I said I do 310. And he was like you do what I go. I do a 310 deadlift. He goes, get out of here. I said it takes everything I got, but I can do a 310 deadlift. That's pretty amazing. I think it's attitude, sam. I think for everybody watching or listening, I think it's. You got to get up in the morning with desire. You got to get up in the morning with yes, I can do this.
Speaker 1:Easier said than done at 5 am. Yeah, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2:Well, we get up at 3.30 to be at 5 am. That's right.
Speaker 1:So you know, speaking of your parents who are Armenian, I know and we talked about it before that you were in large part inspired by your father, who was a mechanic who worked for American Airlines, serviced President Roosevelt's DC-3 aircraft during World War II, when he came into LaGuardia and he helped you get the repair bug and he taught you respect for tools and machines. And you know we all have mentors like that. They might be our parents, they might be somebody else in our life. What do you remember, like when you think of your dad? Is there a particularly specific memory or an impactful memory that you have about him?
Speaker 2:I remember my dad. I can tell you where it was. It was 1964. We were at Lake Stockholm. We had a lake house up here in New Jersey, in Sussex County, and he sent me across the street to Uncle Seymour's house. He was my Jewish uncle from Brooklyn. Go see Uncle Seymour and ask. He was my Jewish uncle from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2:Go see Uncle Seymour and ask him for a Stillson wrench and for a seven-year-old. I couldn't, you know. And he took me by the arm and he said still, son. He said look, anytime you have a problem and you don't understand something, stop, pause and think about it. Stillsson, still son. You know I can be working on the hardest car problem in the world, all right, and I can still. I can feel that moment of calm. You know. He also told me at some point not particularly that day he always said there's going to be that moment where you're going to be in total panic and pandemonium. Stay calm and just think your way through it. Think your way through the problem. He said remember you can't get out at 10,000 feet and check the carburetor to see if it's lean or rich.
Speaker 1:You have to do it on the ground. You know that reminds me of some of my mentors, the ones that I saw get into the crap, like in the OR, the ones who didn't lose their crap, like when bad stuff was happening and when you were feeling like you were losing control, not so much in plastic surgery but especially in, say, trauma surgery or some of his other, like cardiac surgery. Like you could tell the people that, like you said, were able to keep it together Calm calm the mental approach, Like I feel like that uh is universal, probably for approaching any problem.
Speaker 2:Anything, Anything you know, and it comes from in here and I remember that I can feel those two moments and I think that's important because I think, you know, I think as human beings we have that ability to recall that and it comes from our strength from within to be able to manage it.
Speaker 1:You know you've learned a lot over your career so far. I mean, you're still learning. Like I said, we're all capable of continuing to learn, but you've done 34 years of radio. So what would you say at this point, are the biggest takeaways from that experience gained over 34 years of doing talk radio?
Speaker 2:Not realizing the impact of what I do. You know, it's funny. People meet me on there and go.
Speaker 1:My God, you're Ronananian and I look around like this Really, where I've seen comments, they're like you don't look anything like I imagined you to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they told me I'm this or I'm that. You know you don't realize the impact of radio and I didn't understand it at first. You know I never started this wanting to do radio. I never woke up one day and said, yeah, I'm going to go do radio. That's what it is. It was just I started doing it, as you know from my stories with Dave and everywhere else that somebody was. I was teaching mechanics how to fix cars and somebody said hey, I'm going to do an infomercial about my shop. I want you to be the co-host. I've got the questions, you've got the answers and from there, here we are.
Speaker 1:Chance beavers a prepared mind.
Speaker 2:It's that moment. But I think it's what radio is, what radio means to people, the impact you can have without even trying to have the impact. I had a woman call her a couple of weeks ago. She just lost her husband. She wanted to know. She has a handicapped van. Because he was handicapped she has to sell the handicapped van and at 73 years old she has to go out and buy a car for the first time on her own how to do it. And I explained it to her. I told her what to do. I told her how to do it it's in the podcast a couple of weeks back if anybody wants to catch it and she said you know, at some point in the conversation I don't remember if she said it on air or she wrote me the email follow-up but she told me. She said you've changed my life and you've given me the ability to do this. That's like wow, you know who am I to have that ability? I'm just this guy.
Speaker 1:Do you think that podcasts now, or the New Talk Radio? Because I feel like it's the same type of feeling when I listen to podcasts and I was listening to you on your talk show. It's the same thing. It's like it's just, instead of me turning on my radio, I'm clicking a button and listening to it on my computer or on my phone.
Speaker 2:I think podcasting is the future. I think it's a digital future, without a doubt. I think radio is going to be there for a long time yet to come. I think it's the ease of being able to walk over and click and turn the knob, you know, here in the house, or although here in the house we could do it with a computer.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You know. So it's not that hard. I think it's a generational thing. You know the people that are ahead of me. That generation is still radio. They're learning podcasts, they're getting it and, you know, now they've got podcast and car. You plug your phone in and it's so. It's going to be interesting. It's part of why radio is going through the metamorphosis that it is, which it is.
Speaker 2:The majority of radio that you hear here in New York City on the weekends is paid programming. It's pimple cream and things you rub on your head, and some of it's about as interesting as listening to paint drawing, right, you know it's just, it's horrible, right? Uh, but it's. And that's not what radio was to me. To me, I'm supposed to give you a piece of information, I'm supposed to explain. You got a question, I'll give you the answer. You know, um, I not address that. I won't tell anybody where I am. My standard answer is you want me? You've got to find me, because I'm not here to do that. I'm here to answer your question. So to me, that's the purpose of radio and that's what I think. I think radio is always going to have that position.
Speaker 2:I just don't know if it's going to be as big a position in the future as it currently is. I think it's going to shrink.
Speaker 1:Now you're now a pretty experienced CrossFitter. You've been doing it for seven years and we talked about your start story before. And I just want to mention I knew your daughter before I knew you. She was ex-military, served in Afghanistan. She was the one who came to our box first and then she got you turned on at CrossFit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm still getting even with her fort.
Speaker 1:Her and her husband are both awesome. They're both ex-military. But now that you've been doing it for seven years and I've seen you up and down, like we all do with trials and tribulations sometimes we're healthier, sometimes we're not as healthy, but you've been really consistent, more consistent than most. Regardless, what have you taken away from doing seven years of CrossFit?
Speaker 2:at this point, you know, I think about the day I started a lot and how I walked in there. You know, feeling very high school cocky. You know, like you know, I'm still an athlete.
Speaker 1:You know for her, um.
Speaker 2:And then after about 20 minutes you realize that's gone. And then after about 20 minutes you realize that's gone. You know, I think my first times with CrossFit were humbling and you have to be willing to accept that. And you know, I think you've got to just say go. For everybody out there that's thinking, you know, I really got to get to the gym, but I'm afraid to, I can't, I'm this, I'm that. You just got to go, you just begin. You ever see that movie the Martian? Yeah, at the end of the Martian right.
Speaker 1:Matt Damon right.
Speaker 2:Matt Damon and he's talking about you know, you know space is going to kill you. And he gives that whole speech and then he says and you just look at the problem and then you just begin right, you just have to begin. I want to get to the gym. You don't like the way you feel, you don't like the way you look. I'm not going to promise you that you're going to. You know you're going to be felt and skinny in a week, but you're going to feel better about yourself. One of the things I've learned in CrossFit is something I've learned in radio is that look at the percentage of the population that's doing it and the fact that if someone can get to CrossFit, you know how many people CrossFit versus how many don't, nevermind how many people CrossFit versus how many go to a gym, because I've got to believe there are more gym people than CrossFit.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, way more.
Speaker 2:Way more Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know I tell people I'm doing CrossFit, they tell me I'm crazy. Yes, you know. My answer is listen, I can get hurt, because that's always their concern. You're going to get hurt doing CrossFit, right, and I've got an answer for that. But my primary answer is you know I could get hurt. I could step off the curb and get hit by a bus. You know CrossFit is about how you scale it. Some days I just want to move. All right, it's not my best day.
Speaker 2:I'm achy, I'm tired, I'm beat up. You know is it very physical week in the shop and some days you know you got it and you can just and you can it's. It will stroke you in the sense that it makes you feel good that you did a wall walk at 5am, that you did a three 10 deadlift and did a two 45 back squat because you know you look at that high school picture and go my God, those are old people and you're not one of them.
Speaker 1:I don't know of another. I love that humble brag with the 245 back squat, because I don't know any 68 year olds who and if I can do 245 at 68,. I'll be.
Speaker 2:I'll be you know, smoked, I'm going for 260 next. So that's you know. And that's the other thing You've always got to be. You know, life is about reaching Sam, yeah, okay, and life is about not being complacent. If, if, if we get complacent, then we get stale. If you're not growing, you're dying, and you've got to have that attitude. And I'm not saying you got to. Every day has to be a hundred miles an hour, but you know it's life is exciting, let's live it. We're only here once.
Speaker 1:What I really like is that I've seen you with problems like your foot or other issues yeah, my knee, yeah and it would be enough for a lot of people to be like I'm going to lay off of this. I'm not, but it never seemed like it was an option for you, no matter what. And so I would say for everyone who does any kind of sport, fitness activity, injury or whatever you're feeling, like you said, is a part of life, but it never made you say I'm going to stop doing this. It was more like I'm going to lay off of running or I'm going to do this, I'm going to figure out this, but I'm still coming in at 5 am, no matter what, because it fills my cup.
Speaker 2:It just fills my cup. And you know, I found something that works. I've tried a lot of things. You know, I gymed a little bit, I've treadmilled, I've done weights on my own. You know, crossfit's a different thing. It's like joining the Marines. It really is All right. You know I always. You know the Marines are this elite fighting force. They're very special to us as they protect us. Yes, and I'm not saying anything wrong with the other branches of the armed service, but the Marines are special. The Marines make you raise your eyebrow oh he's a Marine, oh he's a CrossFitter. You know that's different and that's. You know you get recognition and maybe we all need a little bit of a stroke and there is some ego involved in CrossFit. You just have to learn to balance it.
Speaker 2:And I think that's key. It's just very important. But just begin is the best advice I could give anybody.
Speaker 1:I love that. Now, being the car doctor at this point, like you said, 34 years how do you think about your demographic changing over this time and how do you keep that show engaged to a wider audience at this point? Like I've listened to it, it's a great show.
Speaker 2:I watch the questions, I look at the questions coming in and you know auto repair. I have to talk about auto repair. Auto repair is a national phenomena with regional consequences and effects.
Speaker 1:What does that mean?
Speaker 2:That means so here in New Jersey, right here in New Jersey, the concerns and what we fix in New Jersey are very different than the concerns of what we fix in Florida.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:In Florida, what's the number one thing they want to work? Salt water. The air conditioning, oh yeah, that's right. In Florida, they want their air conditioning to work, that's right. In New Jersey, it's brakes and tires. Air conditioning is okay, but it's brakes and tires, all right. They want the basics.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, in Southern California they want the body to be clean, they want a nice paint job, they want it to shine, because it's all about blitz and gling.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so interesting, that's true.
Speaker 2:It's just different. They're fighting dust and dirt and it's a harsher environment and it's regional stuff. So when I look at the questions that come in and I look who's asking them, all right, and every once in a while I want to take a survey. I start with the question and I haven't done it in a while. I should probably do this. I always ask everybody what kind of vehicle did you learn to drive?
Speaker 1:on.
Speaker 2:And it's really interesting, you've got 75-year-old women telling you about they learned to drive on their father's 39 Ford. And you know they're that World War II generation. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1:What did you learn to drive on?
Speaker 2:I learned to drive on a 65 Chevy C30 dump truck. I was 13 years old. I was shoveling horse manure for a buck an hour so I could help my mom at home because my dad had passed and that was my. I was this big, massive dump truck. You know, I went for my driver's test and it was like I had a fight not to one finger the thing through the you know parallel park and the guy goes you've been driving a while, no, sir, I'll be, but yeah, I could drive at 13. I was driving dump trucks, that's so funny.
Speaker 1:Now technology has changed and what amazed me is I listened to your last episode that you broadcast yesterday and you talk about all the normal stuff I would expect an auto repair show to talk about, like torque converters and water pumps and a lot of stuff that goes way over my head as someone who doesn't know about auto repair. But then you also answered a question. Someone had a 2024 Equinox and they're trying to play MP3s or music off their USB drive and you knew more about W, wma format and like how it works than I think I do, and I've been playing around with computers for a long time, so clearly it's amazing how much you've kept up with technology in terms of cars. Like, how do you do that? I read a lot.
Speaker 2:I read a lot and I think my memory has slowed down, but I used to have a guy who worked for me, chris, and Chris is now teaching for Automotive Training Group National Association. I'll sit in the back of the classroom, I'll go to Chris's classes and I'll sit there and I'll just absorb the material and the information. And every once in a while somebody will engage with me and Chris will say don't do that, you know, because he'll, he'll, because he'll, he's, he's, he says it best, he goes, he's got a photographic memory that'll embarrass you, um, and it will, it. You know. There are things I just remember. It just gets stuck in my head and I can't, you know, I can't, I can, I can, I can see words to a degree. I don't know any other way to explain it. I've always, I've always had that ability.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know, there's, there's, there's another line in a movie somewhere about what a piano is. A piano is a bunch of wood with black and ivory and yada, yada, yada. Some people look at a piano and they don't have a clue. Mozart looked at a piano and he understood what it was. I look at a piano. It doesn't mean it's a, it's a box with wood and ivory and blah, blah blah. I look at this and like, yeah, the third line is this and I just, I just hold it in here. Um, I wish I had that. You know, now I'm getting older, so now I'm starting to. I remember the third line, but I won't remember the fourth line of the page that I saw three days ago.
Speaker 1:So when?
Speaker 2:it's starting to fall off. Oh my gosh, what a lot. Yeah, give me a break. Um, uh, stop doing that. It goes away even more. So I try to remember. That's why you hear the show when I'm spouting out wire colors. I just remember it. I remember because I did it. I looked at it. I did it 10 years ago or 10 days ago.
Speaker 1:I remember seeing it and it's there, I think that is the key as we get older is to keep trying to do that, because for me it's much easier as I go along to rely on what I know already versus learning it new. So I'm a problem when I solve a lot of problems because I've had a lot of experience and I've seen things similar to that and so I know how to deal with it. But trying to come up with newer solutions or trying to figure out something new Like I've seen this with my kids and I like if I have to learn a new skill, especially a physical skill like playing a game on my phone or something like they are so much faster than me. But when it comes to figuring out stuff, a lot of times I have an advantage just because my depth of knowledge is deeper. So I've seen that pattern before.
Speaker 2:I know what that issue is Well, you have wisdom with you know that expression is true With age comes wisdom. You know the balance, you know the yin and the yang, you know. But I don't think age is a limiter for learning something new. What were we doing the other day? We did in the warmup. You made us do one leg deadlifts.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I couldn't do. I couldn't be that coordinated when I started. Now I can do one leg that I can bend I'm not as far as everybody, but I can and you know where that applies and I tell this story and it makes everybody laugh. But for me, I'm always getting dressed in the dark because I get up at 3.30, I go to bed. You know, putting on your underwear in the dark. How do you put on your underwear? I put it on one leg at a time in the dark and I can do that without falling over.
Speaker 2:And that's you know. And to quote Coach Dave, right, that's functional fitness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Listen, balance is such an important predictor in terms of functionality and survivability as you get old Because, listen, what are one of the biggest causes of mortality and morbidity for older people? Falling and breaking their hip and if you lose your balance, that sense. So the fact that we're working on and developing it like that is critical for longevity.
Speaker 2:Now. It took a long time for me to learn that. It took a long time for me to gain the strength. But everything takes time, of course. You know everything takes time. I started 2024. I said by the end of 24, I'm going to do a pull-up. I can now do a pull-up.
Speaker 1:I've seen you do a pull-up Right.
Speaker 2:Blows me away. Yeah, I can do two pull-ups in a row, you know. So I've only got a year and a half. I've got a year and a half. So I promised Dave, I promised you guys by 70, I'm doing a muscle-up. It's coming. You know, I'm going to try like hell it's coming. But everything is a session right.
Speaker 1:Right, you got to start with the pull up, you got to go here and then you got to go down. I will say this, even if you don't get it the fact that we are working on these skills is enough to make our brains more active and to continue to learn. It's when we're not trying whether we actually achieve that goal. The fact that we are actively working to achieve those goals.
Speaker 2:If you're not growing, you're dying.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 1:So now, in terms of growing, I feel like electric cars are no longer as interesting to people as they used to be a couple of years ago and there's a resurgence I don't want to say a resurgence, but there's more of a return of gas powered cars. And I know I've heard you a little bit in the morning sidebar commentary as we're warming up and stuff. I don't take you as the biggest fan of electric vehicles and what do you think the automotive industry is going to be like in 5, 10, 15 years when it comes to gas versus electric?
Speaker 2:I think automotive vehicles have their place. All right, I want to start there. I think there's a rationale for them, but they're not for everybody and they're not going to be for the masses for a variety of reasons we're not going to get into, we don't have the time. So I think you're going to see a percentage stay as electric vehicles. I think you're going to see more gas-powered vehicles. I think you're going now they're talking about we're going to dabble in hydrogen, hydrogen fuel cell. I don't think hydrogen fuel cell is going to work, because you're going to have the same problem that you had with electric.
Speaker 2:The single biggest problem with electric is distribution, and how do you get electricity that you don't have or have the ability to make to all these places? The numbers are overwhelming. I challenge anybody the next time you're on the road in crowded traffic, start looking at all the cars. Start counting cars. You want to see something crazy. Start counting all those cars. Now they're all electric. Now we all go and get ourselves charged up. What does that grid look like? I know why we want to go to Mars. We want to go to Mars because we're going to use Earth as a giant electrical power distribution center, because there's going to be nothing left. It's crazy. I think the purpose of EVs and I understand why they've pushed for it is to get us to the stars. That's really what EVs are about. How does that get us to the stars? Because when we're on Mars, you need to get around in an electric car.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you need that EV technology to be really good.
Speaker 2:You need that technology to be really good to explore planets. Yeah, you're not going to have gas up, yeah. You're not going to have gas. You're not going to have gas up there. And I understand that, yeah, but I don't think it's going to be the predominant way we do transportation here. Do you like working on EVs? We haven't seen a lot of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We've done some tires and stuff but you know they don't really break and the stuff that does break is at such an extreme cost to repair it goes back to the manufacturer.
Speaker 1:Is this like phones, for example? Like 10 years ago, you could repair your own phone, you could take it apart. Now it's like if it breaks, they almost don't fix it. They just give you a new one. Right, just give you a new one, because it's all integrated so tightly that you can't take the screen off, and they don't want you to. They don't want you to actually be able to fix anything.
Speaker 2:But you notice, they want your old phone back.
Speaker 1:Why is that?
Speaker 2:Well, because of the technology that's in there the chips, because they can also refurbish it and sell it in a different market. And they do that with cars now. They do that with a lot of cars, a lot of the cars that were. You know, you hear the ads, you know cars for kids and all that. What?
Speaker 1:that.
Speaker 2:What do they do with all these junk cars? You ever think about it? They're going overseas. They're going to the islands, they're going to the Bahamas, they're going to Bermuda different economic places In Africa. A 20-year-old Toyota Corolla is worth 20 grand, with 300,000 miles on it and dents in every fender, because over there they just need transportation.
Speaker 1:And it's easily fixable.
Speaker 2:Right, it's easily fixable. There's tons of them made. So back to your question what does the future of auto repair look like, or what does the future of the automotive industry look like?
Speaker 2:I think they're learning. I think there's some simplification in terms of you know, general Motors used to have cars where you could pick from 24 different side view mirrors. They've gotten it down to you need six, you need a chrome one, a black one, one that blinks, one that doesn't blink, and so on. All right, so they've simplified that. I think you're going to see consolidation. There's conversation now where Honda's going to buy Nissan. Nissan's in danger of going out. They're giving Nissan 12 to 14 months and it's gone. That's kind of scary, I think. If I own an EV, I would expect to see the participation level we've got for about 10 years.
Speaker 2:And then I think you're going to see it sort of quietly go away. But I also think and I'll leave it here is that the future of EVs, the future of the auto industry, is very political, and who's in office and what are their ambitions? Oh, President Musk, Right Well, are we going to open the pipeline? Are we going to you know what and how?
Speaker 1:and environmental impact, and we've got all this juggling going on. Yeah, it's going to be complicated, it's going to be very complicated. What's your daily?
Speaker 2:driver. What do you drive every day? Most of the time I'm still driving my 04 Chevy Suburban. I just like it. Why? It's basic. It's simple. I've got a pile of parts for it because I can't buy parts for it anymore because it's 20 years old. So you stockpiled parts. I stockpiled parts. Listen, if I went out and bought another one, I'd buy another Suburban I really would. The kids are all gone and my wife thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 1:I know it's big because we have a Suburban, but we did because we did all the soccer stuff and the carpools and stuff.
Speaker 2:I like a Suburban, I just like a big vehicle. It gives me—I feel secure on the road, because the road is a very unforgiving place. There's all these rocket ships running around you. My God, people pass you on 287.
Speaker 1:You're doing 80, and they're flying by you. Like you know, you're just trying to keep up with the flow of traffic. I mean a new suburban's 100 grand, right, I don't you know. So if you get dinged or something, happens you're not gonna like fry.
Speaker 2:I'm not crazy, I'm not gonna cry over it, right, um, some days. I came here today in the plow truck, my 22 silverado, which I keep because it plows the park a lot at the shop in the house. Oh, that's nice. Um, I've got a 97 Ranger. That's the beater, that's got 230,000 on it. Um, if I want to go somewhere, if I want to go to the junkyard and throw out junk and, you know, recycle steel and whatever, um, I've got something else. I've got a black two door 55 Chevy, um, which has been with me forever. I, you know, that's, that's my right arm. I get that car. Uh, you know, that's an emotional thing. I saw American graffiti as a kid.
Speaker 2:I was about to say yeah, and and I saw, and you know, you know, um uh it, you know I want it to be that guy.
Speaker 1:How often do you take that one out, Uh?
Speaker 2:it depends on the day, the weather, the time. Um, you know it's, it's if it's, if it's a nice day, even like like a day like today. It's sunny and cold. I would drive it today, but there's salt on the road so I don't want to take it out. Um, and I'm working on. I've got a 72 monte carlo at the shop that I'm putting back together. It's a 40 000 mile texas car that I've had for six years.
Speaker 1:I probably could have driven it the day it came off the trailer, but ronnie's got a play uh, so I, I love the fact that you have your own hobby cars that you like, yeah, like messing around and it depends what comes my way.
Speaker 2:Listen, I had a. I had the chance to buy it and I did. I bought an o2 thunderbird for my wife this this year. She liked it. You know she does the queen's way, the top down. She does the whole thing.
Speaker 1:You know it's, it's you know, it was a cheap car and it's, it's and you know that's what cars are sort of sam you know it's Sam.
Speaker 2:You know they've all got their personality, They've all got their reasons for existence. And you know, if you listen close, a car will talk to you. It'll tell you what it wants to be and what it's capable of doing for you, rather than just a driver.
Speaker 1:I think that was a line from Robert Duvall in Days of Thunder. I think he said something like that yeah, did he.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's where I got it, because I've seen that movie.
Speaker 1:So if you had to be a car, what kind of car would you be?
Speaker 2:Easy 63, chevy Impala, is that right yeah?
Speaker 1:Why are you a 63 Chevy Impala?
Speaker 2:Basic 327, two-barrel, power, glide transmission, two-speed, reliable runs forever, just kind of plods along. Nothing fancy doesn't attract a lot of attention and you get to sneak by a lot of people and do what you got to do and get the day done. I love that, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:You know, the only other car show I've ever listened to on the radio was Car Talk on NPR.
Speaker 2:And I was listening to your show and they're no longer around.
Speaker 1:No, they're gone. They're gone. So what was it like? Cause, you've been all around. When they were around, like, what was it like? Were you guys competitors? Did you guys date each other? No, we knew each other.
Speaker 2:I talked to them. I last talked to them in 2008, I think it was. We ran across each other out in Vegas at the trade show at SEMA. Once in a while we talked to each other, just very different approaches. They were funny.
Speaker 1:Yes, all right, they were funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they did a lot of laughing and joking. Um, I don't know why, but I just take cars seriously. Well, I kind of do know why I didn't. You know, I graduated high school without a car. I didn't have a car in high school. I couldn't afford one. My mom, my mom and I, you know, tried, but we couldn't afford to buy me a car. We were trying to put food on the table. Um, you know it's. I said this to someone the other day. They said how come you have seven cars? And I said cause I didn't have one in high school. And it, it, it makes my little kid in here feel better.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, it's just, it's that you know like I can go do this, yeah, Um, and I do Um. So you take it serious, I take it, and you know you ask me a car question, I'm going to give you the best answer I can, and that's what the car doctor is all about. I'm just there to answer the question because I realize people just don't know cars and it's very intimidating to a non-car person. Yes, for me, for sure, you know like I just look at a car and go. Don't you know that?
Speaker 1:No, listen. I got a flat tire on my way down to North Carolina this past year and I had never changed a tire before and I called AAA and they were like it was going to take forever. So I pulled out the manual, I started watching YouTube on the side of the road, I pulled out the kit and I managed to do it by myself which is not hard, like technically, but if you've never done, it.
Speaker 1:I'm like wait, which is not hard, like technically, but if you've never done it, I'm like wait, I'm supposed to make sure I don't overtighten this and I got to do this and like, and when I did it I was like, it was very much a yes, I have capability.
Speaker 2:There's that feeling of like wow, look at me, and your chest pumps up. And you're like look at my, and your little kid goes, wow, look at what you did. Um, by the way, we're going to do that next year. We're going to do some. We've got some topics written down for our YouTube channel Changing a flat, jump-starting a car, buying a used car. We've got, like you know, four or five little quick, simple we're going to put together. So look for that next year?
Speaker 1:I would think that'd be very cool. What is the most weird, interesting, unusual car album you've had, or at least one of them on your show or in your shop?
Speaker 2:In the shop. I think it's well the one on the show. I still think about the woman that called in with the 65 Mercedes-Benz two-seater and she had taken it to her regular mechanic to have a battery replaced and he couldn't do it so he sent her to another shop around the corner. Okay, and the other shop went and put a battery in the car. She went in, she paid for it. She said I walked out of the office and I was walking up to the car, the mechanic who was still working on it closed the hood. When he closed the hood, they put the wrong height battery in the car. Okay, and they put it in for a 66, I think it was, she was a 65. Well, 66 used a different group size battery. It was a little bit taller. So the guy dead shorted the positive and negative terminals together and he closed the hood, caused that dead short, blew a hole right through the like, the top of the battery, exploded through the hood of the car. Okay, the battery, the remnants and the fragments of the battery fell onto the convertible top of the Mercedes. The convertible tops on fire. Right? She's describing this to me.
Speaker 2:I'm just like right, and and and. I was like, and I, and, and I, when I regained my composure because I, you know, don't don't panic under fire, right, right, um, I said, and your question is, and she said, do you think there's any long-term damage to the car? And I went battery acid fire, right, lady, you got it all. I said, well, where's the car now? She says, well, it's in a body shop and the insurance companies are praising it. And I just said, yeah, I don't think you're getting that back.
Speaker 2:And I felt so bad she described. You know, I had this pristine that was the first time I'd ever heard the word this pristine white, with the blue interior and leather and all.
Speaker 1:See, this is why people are afraid of working on cars, because they could do something stupid like that Well, you can get hurt.
Speaker 2:You can get hurt working on a car. You're always looking.
Speaker 1:So where do you think, the car doctor, your show is going to go at this point? Because, like you said, there's a lot of change and flux and where it's pretty complicated in terms of how the car industry is going to go, we we're not exactly sure what's going to happen. Uh, with ev versus. Uh, you know, gas powered, the technology's changing. You know you ran a huge show for 34 years. Uh, but, like you said, said, the way people are consuming media is different. You're not someone to just be like. I'm a dinosaur, I'm just going to stop. You're going to try to figure out how to continue to grow and expand. So what is it that you're going to do?
Speaker 2:Well, I can't talk about one of the things I'm doing because I can tell you this. Again, I can't talk about one of the things I'm doing because I got to. I can tell you this. Again life changes in the blink of an eye. So I had an opportunity come to me this week. You know, one of those opportunities that you don't talk about until you sign the paperwork. Oh yeah, that big yeah, the real deal. That's exciting. Like the lawyers are going to deal with it, you know, between now and New Year's.
Speaker 1:Can it be safe to say you're going to have a potentially larger platform to work off?
Speaker 2:of I can say that if you're in the New York market, you're going to be able to hear me on a local radio station.
Speaker 2:That's pretty freaking cool man. Yeah, it's crazy, it came out of the blue. Matter of fact, when the individual called me, I answered the phone and and I said, merry christmas, what kind of car problem is this? And he, he laughed at me because he, he knows me and he said he said no, no, no, no. He says you're sitting down. And I said yeah, and like they offered me a job and I went, like really, I said matter of fact, I asked him three times in that phone call and I texted him the next morning like did we really have this conversation? He goes, yeah, he goes, merry christmas, call me santa, all right.
Speaker 2:Um, so by the time this airs, this should happen. There's. It's supposed to happen january 12th. They've got a date, they've got a time. They know how I'm slot. Yeah, like it's crazy, that's pretty exciting. Um, so that will lead to more podcasting. Um, talk media network is told me the other day that they're working with um I think I can tell you this armed forces radio. They want to get me on armed forces radio and get me distributed on their radio network. Um, you know. And then they're also working with NPR to put me up on NPR, you know, sans commercials. So you know there's. There's always something different coming at me, you know, which is probably leads back to. It's why it's don't panic under fire thing, because I never know what, sam, I never know what's coming next.
Speaker 1:Well, I think what you've done is stayed consistent, like you had. Your goal wasn't to say, oh my God, someday I'm going to be on AFN or someday I'm going to do this. You just like you said, you want to help people. You want to answer questions about your passion, which is repairing cars, and you do a really good job at it and you have enough. You know you got the charisma, you have a voice.
Speaker 1:I think that you should also be more on visual mediums too. I think you do really well in terms of like visual as well. So, like, all of those things made your content great. Like, people identified that at, and you've been doing it for 34 years. So it's the consistency too. Like had you given. You know, said, I'm just so sick of this. Like 20, you know, 25 years in, you would not have these opportunities. You wouldn't if you didn't ride all the changes. You gotta ride the wave Right. Like you know, 25 years in, you would not have these opportunities. You wouldn't if you didn't ride all the changes. You got to ride the wave Right. Like you know, I seen, like you, you were with what WOR for a while and then you did this and that and when you got dropped, or this happened like it wasn't like you were like okay, well, you know, I'm, I'm over.
Speaker 2:Like you just kept plugging along. You know what the secret is, and I think this is true in all aspects of life. You got to have a plan B. You always have to have a plan B, I don't care if it's in your job, at the gym. You know what's the first thing I do when we talk at the gym, right? Well, we're going to do this, this, this and this Right, the scales are Right, the scales are so. To me, that's my plan B. And then there's my plan C, and you've got to have backups, and I think that's the way it is in life. You know, if I'm not fixing cars, I'm going to do radio. If I'm not doing radio, I'm going to go work for somebody. If I'm not working for somebody, and so on, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. That's life. Life is going to change and you just got to be ready for it.
Speaker 1:Is that something you can learn or is that innate in you that mental toughness? That willingness to just keep going regardless.
Speaker 2:Mental toughness, I think, is a product of environment. I was driven the way I was driven and still am, because I don't want my family to go through what I went through. I saw the ugly. I saw the hard times, you know, lost my dad taking care of my mom. I remember coming home and the electricity you know, sitting there, like we're sitting here in this room and the lights get turned off, mom, what happened? Oh, I forgot to pay the bill. I didn't have the money and we'd scrape together $13 and go down to the Rock and the Electric and I don't want anybody to go through that. You know, that's a learned thing, that's a shock value.
Speaker 1:Yes and no, because I know people who have gone through similar experiences. But they use that as a crutch and an excuse and I've seen that all the time, like I'm never going to be an alcoholic because my father was an alcoholic, or I am a raging alcoholic because my father was a raging alcoholic. So you can take those experiences that you had your father passing away at age 12, you're living and struggling with your family and use that as motivation not to be in that situation or have anyone around you in that situation, or it could be your excuse why you never were able to get out and do the things that you quote were supposed to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's fair. I could. I could see that. I always, I always liken myself to the. You know, if you got a bucket of crabs, I'm the crab that always. You ever notice, there's always one crab that tries to climb out of the closet.
Speaker 1:It's always, never giving up.
Speaker 2:It's like scrabbling around no-transcript, the more I go, you know. Oh geez, you're in a bad mood. Stop what you're doing, relax, unwind, um, you know, empty your head. And you know tomorrow and there's a dadism right. My father always said go home, go to bed, get up. It always looks better the next day. It's always better in the morning. A day makes a huge difference. It's. There are times I will use that. I will get a bad piece of news. You know an email and you want to respond.
Speaker 1:Wait a day you know, wait a day before you respond. How do you keep to your schedule Because I know, coming in five days a week, like I only have to do that. Well, actually I've been going to the 5am class more often lately, but like I have to live like a fricking monk to be consistent at 5am, like I have to go to bed super early, I have to make sure I don't need anything crappy. I have to make sure that I'm all good, because otherwise I'm just not motivated enough to get up at that 5 am and then have a full day afterwards, which I know you have at your work. So what is it that you do? How many hours of sleep do you get? I know you said you have poor sleep habits. I think we all do. As we get older it's tough. But what else do you do outside of working out to make sure that you're healthy?
Speaker 2:But what else do you do outside of working out to make sure that you're healthy? I think the thing that there are moments to motivate me. There's a couple of parts to that question. You know, I think fear comes into it. Fear, fear, you know, fear of losing what I have. So fear can be a motivator, that is true. All right, you know you. Look at what you have. You know you have this house, you have your seven cars, you have your, you know your, you have your empire. You have this fear of losing it. So you know, I think, I think if you do it right, the more you accumulate and realize they're just material things but you like that lifestyle, you, you, you want to do things to maintain that lifestyle. You can't take it with you, right, but you want to enjoy it while it's here, that's right and you want to have it Right, so fear.
Speaker 2:I think fear is something. Fear is always in the back of my mind, like God. If I don't go to the gym today, if I don't go to the gym today, I might lose my edge, I might lose my grit, I might lose my id to want to go and do this. So if I'm not coming because I very rarely miss a 5 am am I hurt? You know, what's bugging me Is my body telling me to take it easy.
Speaker 1:And you got to listen to your body and once in a while, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm not there, of course. I think that you know we struggle with it inside and I think we have to recognize that struggle.
Speaker 1:So how do you do? Do you do well on your nutrition? Are you good with your sleep?
Speaker 2:I started doing Noom this year and I've, I've, I've been a diet guy my whole life, that little powder thing no, I do, I count calories.
Speaker 1:Oh, the app, the app. Oh right, the app yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, my mother was Armenian. All right, you know, it's mom. I want to. You know, when I was 15, you know, and you realize that you know there's girls. You know, Ma, I want to talk to you about girls. Yeah, that's good, Ronnie, Sit down, eat something here, do what. That's everyone from the old country, yeah, it's the whole, you know, out of the refrigerator without even turning the stove on. I mean, that's just the way it was. So it was always food. Um, we never had any food, but it was always food. So food became an emotional thing for me and you know, I've struggled my whole life with weight, Um, and I've tried a bunch of different things, but you know, in the last year I lost 22 pounds and I've kept it off.
Speaker 1:You look better than ever.
Speaker 2:Than you know, just doing Noom because it taught me calories. It taught me, yeah, you know, and I eat everything, but I know if I have, if I have this slice of pizza, I can't have three dinner rolls and a hot dog on a bun.
Speaker 2:So you log your food into Noom I log my food into Noom and it counts my calories for me and it teaches me. And then what I'm doing now is there are some days I don't use the app and I will mentally just try to count the calories. Go well, I know this was five. This was a 500 calorie meal. This is a 400 calorie meal. I try to do like between 17 and 1800 calories a day, and then some every once in a while I go okay, today we're going to do 15 to 1600 calories because today we're going to lose a half a pound and keep it off. So that's part of what I do. I try to get to bed every night at between nine and 9.30. I try to declutter my mind. I'm funny, I know a lot of people sit and live by their phones. I get home, I throw my phone in the office, I put it on the charger, I don't look at it.
Speaker 2:Well you didn't grow up with phones which is why yeah, I guess yeah, so I'm not on my phone a lot. I try to get to bed at a reasonable time, but there are a lot of times that I'll get to bed 11, 11.30, and then. I get up at 3.30 and go to the gym. And how do I do that? Because that's how I did it. Listen, there was a time period in my life where Doesn't it get harder, though, as you get older?
Speaker 2:Only if you let it. You know it's here, you know it's. Listen, not to be morbid. When you're dead you're going to sleep a long time. I don't want to miss a thing. You know, I don't want to miss anything that's out here.
Speaker 1:It's just fascinating to me the world I think that blows me away that at 66, for the past two years, you've been using an app which is extremely popular with young people actually Noom and used it successfully to manage your calories. Do you count macros on that thing too?
Speaker 2:No, I started it this year 24. I started January of 24, so it'll be a year this coming January.
Speaker 1:So I feel like if you can do it, anyone should be able to help themselves with their nutrition.
Speaker 2:You know it's a discipline, it's a self-discipline, and you know we're all accountable.
Speaker 1:Why did you start? Why did you start with Newman in the first place?
Speaker 2:I felt like I'd run out of things to try.
Speaker 1:And who told you to try it?
Speaker 2:I can't remember. Wow, I think I just kind of came across it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just were like I need some help, and then you started looking around.
Speaker 2:I knew I needed help. Look, I don't think there's a human being out there that they're being honest with themselves, that doesn't realize they need help in some area. None of us are perfect, right, we're going to be perfect when we're dead. I guarantee you, when you're dead, you're not going to make any mistakes. Um, you know it's, it's. Uh, you know it is what it is. Um, I just think that I came across it and you know, and it works and it's a discipline. Um, you know, do I reward myself? Yeah, Once in a while I have a soda.
Speaker 2:I still drink a little soda. I like a Dr Pepper. That's like my big vice. But you know, if you're out there every day and you're eating badly and I'll put the question this way, I'll put it as a question how do you feel Not you, but how does the audience feel If you're out there today and you don't feel good and you've got aches and pains and, and you know you're, you're, you're not in the shape you want to be and you don't feel good about yourself in clothing, and you look at yourself in a mirror, naked, in the bedroom and you go ugh, you know what? Be honest with yourself.
Speaker 1:Go see a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 2:In time. Um, you know but, but, but you know, there's that, there's that moment you can do something. Yes, you should and need to Right. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's not easy for people.
Speaker 2:It's not easy, it's. What is the end goal? What do you want to be and how do you want to?
Speaker 1:get there, but you've always done that your whole life, which I think is the difference. That's why Because you applied the same drive and attitude you've had for everything, and you said the same thing about your weight management and you were like, okay, what do I need to do? But but that is something that I don't think everyone has experience with, or the knowledge to do, or even the like just knowing that that can be done. And I think that that's why, uh, us talking about it might be helpful, because even people who are like you know, like I think this might be something I can try doing.
Speaker 2:And I think it is something a lot of people can try doing. Look, I don't think and I know we have to move on I don't think there isn't a problem in life that can't be solved with a car. Right, we'll talk about cars, but you know, I think every car is repairable.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Every car, every problem. It's just how fine do you have to neck it down to get to the nitty gritty, to get to that moment where something went wrong before the 14 other parts got added?
Speaker 1:that created three other problems, unless you're a 65 Mercedes who battery exploded. Battery exploded, that might not be yeah.
Speaker 2:I can see that. All I can see is that car on fire and the horrified look of that woman in my eyes. I'm just like, oh my God.
Speaker 1:I just see this like debutante looking lady.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Right Coiffed hair, the pocketbook, the whole thing. You know, oh, my car is done, it's on fire. Like, wow, you know, the car was on fire, it's done. Like next, it blew battery acid all over the paint. Like, really, ron, you are the best. I love talking to you, I love the fact that, like you have so much experience and, more than that, just your whole mindset. Like I just love people who sort of inspire me to do stuff and just talking to you right now I'm inspired to do so much more just because of that. This is the car doctor, ron Ananian, auto mechanic, radio show host, also going to be on, hopefully even a bigger platform and format where I can't wait to see what happens. With that Fitness enthusiast, I'm telling you if everyone could just take, no matter where they are in life, and say you know what I can do, more I can, I can.
Speaker 2:Just one thing Grow more. Yeah, just one thing. You know what? If you're, if you're out there and you're listening to this and watching us and you're having pizza, have one less slice. Have one less soda. Just have one less soda. Just make it simple. Simple is where it starts. It doesn't have to be complicated, it doesn't have to be this dramatic overhaul. I'm not telling you to go out and empty your closet and go buy a whole new wardrobe, change one piece of clothing and you change one, and then you change another and you change another, and with each moment and movement, change begins, and that's how you begin.
Speaker 1:You might start be doing wall walks and deadlifting 310. Who knows where you might end up. Who knows, you might get a muscle up at 70.
Speaker 2:Ron, thank, you so much. It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much.