Well...Basically
Well...Basically
186: Where’s Jolly?
On today's episode, have you been feeling down?
It's winter, it's cold and sometimes you don't feel that great. Sam and Andrew chatted about how our lives are going.
Are we feeling a little bit sad?
Do we have some tools we use to tackle our sadness?
Do they help us?
Could they (potentially) help you?
We aren't therapists, but we speak from personal experience.
We hope you enjoy today's episode!
this is well, basically with your host, mike de silva, and sam weeks on today's episode.
Speaker 2:Have you been feeling down? It's winter, it's cold. Sometimes you don't feel that great. Me and and Andrew talked about it. We had a little discussion about how our lives are going. Are we feeling a little bit sad? Do we have some things that we use tools to tackle our sadness? Do they help us? Could they potentially help you? We are not therapists, but we speak from personal experience all the time. We hope you enjoy today's episode. This is Well, basically, Wow, well, basically Second, one, second, one second.
Speaker 3:Please Give me just a moment while I get my brain Just a moment, sounds like an Italian person.
Speaker 2:Just a moment.
Speaker 3:Just a moment.
Speaker 2:I was trying to pick a song, but I'll do it on the fly. That's actually really risky, is it?
Speaker 3:Slam your finger down on whatever song comes up. Yeah, some Limp Bizkit. I like that you plan all of the music. It's all meticulously planned out weeks in advance, and then today you're going gonna run the gauntlet yeah, I am.
Speaker 2:I mean, I was just trying to think what we've played already and what I'm like really feeling at the moment I think play hot to go by chapel roan.
Speaker 3:I don't know that so I can't play it. You can just type in into this.
Speaker 2:I'm really feeling the old, older stuff at the moment. How old's that song?
Speaker 3:the demographics of the listeners of the show. It is 95 percent year, four years old and under, so actually it should be the wiggles oh yeah, maybe we should just play the wiggles yeah okay, um which, what's your favorite wiggles? I mean, it has to be hot potato, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:I like fruit salad. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I'm not playing it. We can talk about the wiggle songs, though wake up.
Speaker 3:Jeff's also very good oh, I don't know. Wake up jeff dorothy the dinosaur I know the dinosaur, I don't know so um.
Speaker 2:Did you grow up with the wiggles?
Speaker 3:was the thing for you. It it was on. I don't know if I watched much of it. I don't know if I watched much of it when my, when my brain could actually take in the memory oh, maybe, maybe I was just too young. What was your like thing? It was Nancy Drew.
Speaker 2:Really no.
Speaker 3:No, I don't remember what my kids shows were the Where's Wally. We had the Where's Wally tapes, so the Where's Wally was a TV show for it. And we had tapes of like three of the episodes and I tell you we must've watched those episodes 200 times, 300 times.
Speaker 2:Where's Wally?
Speaker 3:Yeah, did you ever watch the TV show? There was an evil, evil version of Wally, I think. I think he was like dressed in black.
Speaker 2:What the hell? I didn't even know that existed. No, I think. What did we watch a lot? I remember watching the Teletubbies quite a bit.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I remember that as well.
Speaker 2:I really struggle to think how that show makes kids any smarter, Because to me that is like just a whole bunch of gobbledygook. I think it made me gay.
Speaker 3:I think the purple one incited homosexuality in me Because it was a dude wasn't it? But he had a purse and the hips did not lie.
Speaker 2:I don't think they were gendered. I didn't think like how would you?
Speaker 3:How did they reproduce them? Is it that stick in the hole on its head?
Speaker 2:I didn't see any reproduction happen on the show.
Speaker 3:There was a wizard in the Where's Wally TV show.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a core memory unlocked. I do kind of remember that.
Speaker 3:yeah, I can't remember what the guy's name was, but he was dressed like a bee and he looks like a mirror world.
Speaker 2:It looks like a Mario knockoff. Yeah, it's like a Waluigi.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Waluigi, what's his name? Because he's Waldo in other countries.
Speaker 3:In America, he's Waldo.
Speaker 2:So Wally. So he would just be Molly Wallow.
Speaker 3:Molly, molly. Yeah, he'd be Wally and the opposite would be Molly, like Wario and Mario. Oh, you're true, and then he'd have a brother called Walla Wally.
Speaker 2:And then there would be Lolly would be the evil guy's brother man, I'd watch a show about walla walla.
Speaker 3:It's that wizard. There's a weird wizard in the show I remember, and he always had this huge long beard that, for whatever reason, would never touch the ground.
Speaker 2:Could he pull stuff out?
Speaker 3:yeah, he kept it in his pockets and he always had the beard slung over his arm and I was always like why isn't that beard falling off? There's so much heft underneath the arm.
Speaker 2:Even as a kid I knew that did they like pause the screen and zoom out so you could like find yeah, yeah, yeah, they literally did.
Speaker 3:Oh, my god, it'd be like find me in this next one and they'd leave the pause on the screen for a minute and as kids we would panic because we didn't realize you could pause the tv wow, where is he?
Speaker 2:but they would they set a timer or something?
Speaker 3:um, uh, yeah, well, the tv would just run the episode. You know, it's like a vcr tape.
Speaker 2:Okay, um, I watched a lot of Barney the Dinosaur.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how's your week been, sammy? It's been fine, has it?
Speaker 2:been fine, just very. I've had a lot of late nights and we had a very large weekend, so I've been sort of recovering.
Speaker 3:We did.
Speaker 2:We spent a very heavenly bucks recreating the Olympics, yeah we did, you guys won, didn't New Zealand won the gold? Yeah, yeah, we do win. That's what we do.
Speaker 3:You did very well. That was a lot of fun. Hey, do you know what's this weekend? Though? I know what's this weekend World of Warcraft expansion launch. I'm going to cloister myself away. I'm going to become a nun of the habit. No one's going to speak to me. I'm going to leave that room a sickly and pale man.
Speaker 2:Svetlana, what do you think the chances are of me getting Andrew out tomorrow night?
Speaker 1:I think Andrew thinks that he'll make it out, but he's too committed to that, wow Grind, to leave his computer for the club.
Speaker 3:Wow, I you know what. I trust her, I think. I think she's got the right of it. Yeah, it's fair. He doesn't lie, she just knows it all.
Speaker 2:I think she is actually manipulative and a liar and I think we should fire her soon.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Listen here, you little bitch. This show is nothing without me fact-checking every other thing you say.
Speaker 3:Don't abuse me like that. You can think that if you want Sveti but we pay your bills, Jesus, hey, you should come out with us. Sveti, I reckon you'd be a good dancer.
Speaker 2:She looks like she could throw a few elbows. Oh my.
Speaker 3:God, yeah, I reckon you, sveti, are someone you want next to me if I get into a fight.
Speaker 2:She's not a fighter, she's a lover, but she's really shit at her job. Steep your game out.
Speaker 1:Don't mess with me, sam, I'll twist you into a pretzel Roar.
Speaker 2:I guess this is a happy song. Yeah, have you ever played this before? I don't know. My brother's got a really good story about this song, actually. But first, welcome, welcome, welcome. Episode number 187. Six, I think. Oh damn, you were very close. It's a good Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre song. I'll remember it for next week. First time listeners, second time listeners, third and fourth, fifth you guys who listen every week, congratulations, you can do it again this week.
Speaker 3:And maybe next week, potentially, potentially.
Speaker 2:We have a fun-filled episode for you. Andrew is here. I am here. Mikey is having a little holiday. Okay, thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 3:For a holiday.
Speaker 2:for a holiday for a holiday it's really like a farm in here right now. We have a cat and two rabbits. The cat and the rabbit are cohabitating, cohabiting, cohabitating cohabitate tatering, tater, tottering.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised the cat's not eating the rabbits.
Speaker 2:If I'm honest, he's just minding his business. They're kind of friends. Um, how'd you pull up on monday after the weekend, were you fine?
Speaker 3:uh, I was um. Uh, I was very good, I think, energy wise. I was okay. I did come home and nap straight after work, which is fine. I do that all the time anyway. Um, but I did have the.
Speaker 2:We obviously imbibed on the weekend, um and I've never heard that word said again imbibed, imbibed. What does that mean so?
Speaker 3:usually use it to refer to taking alcohol. Okay, we may done that. We could have done more. Yeah, there was a lot going on that weekend. Things were flashing past my eyes, I don't know yeah but I did get the standard like um, like latent anxiety through the day do you ever get that after you?
Speaker 2:I don't really have a choice for that, like there's no option for me to be anxious because that on a monday morning I have to go teach a class to a room full of people. So if I I can't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I, I get anxious and do my job. You know like I? I feel the anxiety. Do you know what they say about all your emotions? You should feel them and move through them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't, it's a very good way to deal with them. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think in situations where I do get anxious, or, if that happens, I think like, uh, yeah, uh, it's a tricky one for me. It's like when I'm in a situation where it's like anyone, but there's no. I know there's a lot riding on it, but it usually it's a situation where it involves me having to be either like very charismatic or present myself really well for an opportunity is usually where I get like anxious like an interview or something like that.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking more the anxiety um of you know. It's like a latent sense of unease, but no reason for there to be like I'll just be at work when there's no pressures or anything and I'll feel this kind of like I should be doing, I should be fixing some problem that doesn't necessarily exist. I don't think I get that.
Speaker 2:Count your blessings, sammy wolf I, I think I have to uh vigorously justify my emotions. So, like I like have a feeling like that, there has to be a why, and if it's due to having too much fun on the weekend, I just go. Well, you know, I stole happiness from days to come.
Speaker 3:The control you have over your brain. It's incredible.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say it's control, it might just be denial.
Speaker 3:Maybe denial. Denial is a river in Egypt, it is Nice, so it's control might just be denial.
Speaker 2:Maybe denial Denial is a river in Egypt.
Speaker 3:It is, but yeah, it's been, I think, a nice week. I've also had this, honestly, this World of Warcraft expansion to look forward to. I know it sounds crazy, but I it's like this is that's my weekend. I'm locking in. You, do you, and we're getting some real greasy pizza and just becoming that. You know that guy from South Park that sits at his computer and plays.
Speaker 2:World of Warcraft. Yeah, it's a bit of a classic meme. It's going to be you. No, you're going to come out and dance. My excitement for the weekend is seeing a very good DJ on Friday night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I will. Honestly, my plan is to go right now. Okay, but if the siren calls Sammy, I have to answer. Oh yeah, that's fair. If she says Namy, then I've got to come.
Speaker 2:Let's stay on this path of emotions, because I mean, it's not just you know how I say I don't have emotions or like I don't feel sad or depressed. I don't really. I guess I do, I'm not really sure, but like I have this like sort of feeling that a lot of people during particularly the winter time is, and in australia, because usually it's always sunny and beautiful there we always forget that there's this whole patch of just like weather that's not very good and you can't really go outside and do a lot of things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've, we've just come out of what to me feels like two, three years of winter. For some reason, this one's felt very, very long um, and I find my I mean everyone does it's called seasonal defect, a seasonal affective disorder. I think sad um, I find that my emotions ebb and flow. It is ironic or accurate, um, my emotions ebb and flow as the season goes on, but I always find around this time of year, just before the turn of spring, that I'm like the most shaky in my like self, in my own mind. So even this week, I mean, part of it was because I spent the whole weekend partying, but also, I don't know, I've just like gone through winter now, feeling this ever building um anxiety in me that'll melt away as the sun starts to come out. Um, but it's something that needs to be dealt with.
Speaker 3:When I was in london it was the first time I landed in like summer, but I went through their summer and their summers are beautiful, gorgeous. It's like a little more mild than us, but everyone gets into it because their summers are so much shorter and then I was like, wow, london's most beautiful place in the world. So much fun, and then, um, dark, the winter hit and I have never been so shook. That first winter was like I was with my two housemates, annabelle and con, and all three of us were like holding on to each other, grasping to try to like stay sane enough to just get to work. And that's when I saw things like I would start arriving at work late, I would be going to bed really late, I would be going out and partying to try to like replete the serotonin.
Speaker 3:I was doing a lot of drugs while I was over there and all of those things add in to you feeling more anxious, like I'm doing then. Worse, at work I've not got the energy to do fun things that aren't taking drugs and going to parties. Um, I'm not like focusing on any other part of my life, I'm really just kind of like monkey swinging to the next like tiny little hit of serotonin that I can get stagnation, stagnation, absolutely yeah, a nation of stagnation?
Speaker 3:um, so that is a tough one, and it happens in more or lesser extents every winter. Do you find that?
Speaker 2:you're more driven like over, like when it's sunnier to do more things for you. That's a really interesting question, like a reason as to why you might get a bit.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is just speaking for myself and you should probably answer the question before I speak for myself no, speak for yourself first and I can get into it Like I don't think I really feel this only because I always have I'm always because I've worked for myself my whole life I always have sort of like a next goal or a next focus or a next thing to hit and work towards, and I find that means like either I don't have time to be depressed or I just like I don't really feel that way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think goal setting is an important part of dealing with it. It can help me having something to look forward to. I don't know if it would have as much of an effect on me as it would on you. I think you're a lot more goal driven than I am.
Speaker 3:You know my goal in life is to have enough money that I could not have to have a goal really, yeah, um, which is not the case now. So sometimes, uh, it can get stressful, um, but I do. I find that I, I drive myself more strongly in self-improvement around this time. Um, I don't say set myself big goals or like take on big projects, but I'll, I'll try to improve myself.
Speaker 3:Like when I started going to the gym for you three years ago that was like august, it was pretty much exactly this time and it was because I was sitting at home, it was the middle of that lockdown and I was like like, basically like a tire stuck in mud I was just revving it round and round around and spraying more mud everywhere, and every single time I would try to rev, my mind would like circle more and more and more and I realized I had to circuit breaker it with something, which is why then I reached out to you and was like, can I, can I please start working out? Like, can I just start doing something this time round? I I don't know if it's related Maybe it is but I this week deleted my Grindr account, which for straight people, is probably not a great.
Speaker 3:Deleting an app is not a crazy thing to do but I've had that account for ages and actually like years and years and years, and there's not been big long gaps in it. Sometimes I'm not on it for a few weeks, sometimes I'm on it. It's not like it's some crazy addiction that I have, but I've always had it there as this like thing app. I've just fully deleted the account and I'm probably not going to bring it back for another three or four months to just see what change that'll have on me, because I also think I use that as a crunch to like not have to look for proper dates or like try to engage in real life. I can just be like oh, I can just message someone, then go to their house. It's so simple that might.
Speaker 2:I think it's going to be a very fulfilling experience for you.
Speaker 3:Maybe, or I'm going to go, wow, no sex for three months. No, that's not going to be the case. I, anyone that I'm like if, in terms of hookups, anyone that I'm like regularly hooking up with, they have real personalities- with them as well.
Speaker 3:I assume I've never found out. Um, uh, but I think this will stop me from doing the. I mean, there's two parts to it. Firstly, when I go out, if I like get high or something, I'll pull it out and I'll like get a little like my head will move into that space rather than being in the space of the room that I'm in.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, okay, so I used to do this when I was a single person with grinder.
Speaker 3:Wow, no, no, sammy, tell us about this.
Speaker 2:No, just with. Just with other apps. I've definitely experienced this before, so I kind of know exactly what you're talking about. Just that, um, I'd like a bit of a seer and serotonin hit. It's also like self-affirming, because you see someone who, like, wants to connect with you.
Speaker 3:Yes, so like I can totally, I can totally relate to that that is actually a perfect story to tell, because that goes into the second point that I was going to make, which is I would use it as a self-affirming like, oh, this person's tapped me, how good. But on the flip side of that, you know, sometimes there's just no one on that's interested. You know that happens sometimes and I'll go on and there'll be no one to chat with or whatever, and I will equate that to self-worth of being like oh God, yeah for sure, ugly boy Andrew, what's he trying to prove?
Speaker 2:Um, so I'm not going to have to go through that negative self-talk about yourself.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, but this is what I'm talking about. You get to the end of the, the, the winter season. I don't have the strength to be giving myself positive self-talk all the time, like I can be positive to myself as much as I need, but sometimes the well run runneth dry, you know yeah um.
Speaker 2:So that is this year's big chuck out for me, but have you felt, do you feel like you felt more or less depressed this year compared to other years?
Speaker 3:I'd say oh damn, probably less depressed than last year. Definitely last year was a bottom point. This year, uh, is definitely not bottom of my life. Actually I think I've been at stable this year. I've been.
Speaker 2:Maybe it hasn't had the highest highs, but it's definitely not had the lowest lows stable's good, stable, is good, what like if you say you notice this stuff which we're talking about now, that, like, um, maybe contributes to your depression or you know. So you're feeling a certain way. Do you have things that you do to like pick yourself up and get out of it? So like things that you know will definitely help you feel better and these can be either short-term or long-term things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because like people often will book a holiday and I think that's bullshit, because like a holiday is fine, but like you're always going on holiday with yourself and it doesn't really change.
Speaker 3:I love that line, sam. I love that line. I'll talk about what I do in a second, one of the things I have from when I used to study abroad, particularly study abroad in Australia. So American students that were studying over in America would want to come and do a semester in Australia. I worked for a company to help facilitate that and so I dealt a lot with students on these programs and a lot of these students coming to Australia. They would be like it's beachy, it's really far away from my life, it's like a whole new world. I get to be a whole new me and a lot of students.
Speaker 3:With things like depression, long-term depression. We go this semester. I'm going to be a version of Andrew that is not depressed. I'm going to land there and I'm going to have a great time for three months because I'm going to have a whole new person.
Speaker 3:Little do they, little do they know, in their suitcase. They have packed themselves they case. They have packed themselves. They're coming along with themselves. The specter of their own mind will always be with them.
Speaker 3:You cannot outrun your mental health. A little holiday, I think, is a great little break. That is something that's really nice about summer is getting away with friends to a house and I think friends for me is a really big part of it uh, relying on people around me, being able to see them going for dinners, just being able to get a context outside of my head Cause my, I think maybe all depression, I don't know, my depression it's very, um, circling the drain inside my own mind, like I will think myself into a nice little corner and I won't have this like outside opinion and obviously when you're in it, you know you're in it, oh, I do, and so I don't want to go to people and be like hey, oh, I'm. I've been thinking myself into a hole about this like really insignificant issue, because it really sounds crazy that I've been like, oh, I was thinking about a conversation, that a three line conversation I had with someone on Grindr, and then they blocked me and I've just been like circling the drain over why they blocked me. Which?
Speaker 3:is not a sane thought, but I just don't want to pester people with, like whatever that is for the day. So going out to dinner with people and hearing about what's going on in their life, being able to talk more freely about what's going on in your life, I think it takes away that barrier for me to get it external to bring the world in and get a bit of me out yeah, I like this.
Speaker 2:I mean talking about things.
Speaker 2:This is not like specifically depression related, but like I I mean I've, I'm I haven't still yet to be diagnosed with ADHD, because they keep putting it off, but like there are some things that I've put in place in my life to like manage that.
Speaker 2:And that's not just like the obvious things like setting reminders, having a good calendar, but also for the longest time and I haven't done it for a while, cause I think I've been I'm so hyper-focused on like one thing at the moment that it's like kind of I probably need to start doing a few of these things again.
Speaker 2:But, um, actually writing down thoughts and feelings and doing that stuff can be and I've suggested this to people who also, like me, have struggled with I use this when I had issues with food. You have all these ongoing thoughts about what you're eating and how you're feeling and all that stuff, but it allows you to put something on paper and then you can also look at this thing and basically deconstruct it and instead of it going in circles on your head, it's out of your head, it's on a page and you can look at it and go well, this is actually really stupid, and then you can also write down things that sort of like deconstruct it so you can analyze these things. But sometimes that's really hard to do in your own head it is very difficult to do in your head.
Speaker 2:So getting it out, getting it out on paper and like. This is something that sometimes happens when I'm like before I go to bed. If I've got heaps of shit in my mind, I will just write some shit down.
Speaker 3:Journaling is fantastic. It's really really good. Gratitude journaling is really useful, not necessarily if you're depressed or if you had adhd. Being able to look back on your day about what was really good is really positive. But you are spot on. I've done journaling before and it really does help.
Speaker 2:But I I for me I'm just an incredibly lazy person yeah, see, this is the thing, though, like um, it's, it's funny I was talking to. I was having this pretty much exact same conversation um with with chloe today, um, about these things, cause we're slowly realizing that she's probably got a similar form of what do you call it? Neurotransmitter. But I was talking about these things and she's just like I don't know if I have time to do that, or like I'm like yeah, people say that with exercise.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So what you need to do is like make that connection that this, what you got doing, is actually going to make you feel better longterm and it's going to help you a lot, much like the benefits of exercise. So you prioritize that in order to make everything else a little bit easier. Absolutely Also not a therapist.
Speaker 3:No, we're not therapists. This is stuff that's worked for us. Yeah, the idea as well, in exercise or in journaling or in making time for friends or whatever that, oh, I don't have time to do that. Sometimes there will be a really peak two days, three days where you actually don't have time.
Speaker 3:You're fully booked, but in terms of your plan for your whole life. Things like that should have time made for it. It's like my exercise with you. That's in my calendar. If someone says to me, hi, andrew, 6 pm on a Tuesday, I'd like to get dinner with you, I would say no, thank you, I'm actually booked out. Then let's do later. And something like journaling. You give yourself half an hour before you go to bed. That also, you go to bed. That also helps with things like a sleep schedule, because if you've got a timer going off at 9 30 saying go do your journaling now, you'll finish that. You're not starting another project after that. You're going right on. My thoughts out, get to bed. Um, so it. Yeah, the the timing one's really tough.
Speaker 2:It's what you want to make time for and if she doesn't really value journaling right now, it's not going to be that useful for her oh no, absolutely it's not something to make time for just yet, but she might find value in it yeah, um, and then I guess, uh, artists are some of the most tortured souls in existence, right, but I, um, I found that, except you, yeah, well, I mean I'm I'm a sad boy, but only behind closed doors, uh, like the.
Speaker 2:I feel like, then this is true of everyone that everyone needs at least one creative outlet not to pursue professionally, but it is something that is completely external from what you do on the day to day and you're doing it like semi consistently because it's it has this ability to get your brain working in a different way, and like will take you away from everything else, and it's not necessarily a distraction, because you're using your mind in your what you're experiencing and expressing it through whatever you choose to do you can choose to draw a picture, write some music.
Speaker 2:even if it's bad, you don't need to release it. This is just something that you can do, like if you write bad music please send it to the show.
Speaker 2:but I think, I think that's also something that's really, really overlooked, because you get all these people who, like you, know they're in their jobs, um, similar to you, andrew, who, like you, you're trying to just, you know, make ends meet effectively or make enough money to do a thing, and you might not necessarily I'm not saying you don't love your job, but a lot of people don't, um, and they they lacking this thing, you know, and I think sometimes that void can be filled with a creative thing and that doesn't have to be done on your own. Either Go join a what do they call it Pottery club, or, like, go to a pottery club.
Speaker 3:Is that what it is. I did that in London. Actually, that was one of the things I did. I did it with a friend and I hated the pottery, but I loved the social part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, but like that's also, that's two birds with one stone, you know so. Things like that, do you know?
Speaker 3:you can't say kill two birds with one stone anymore in an office, because it's violent language. You have to say feed two birds with one seed. Oh really Isn one seed? Oh, really, isn't that wretched, oh, um, I think you're exactly right about the creative outlet. I would ask you for a friend, perhaps for me. Um, if I don't have any supplies, for instance, what kind of hobby should I take up? What's an easy entry level?
Speaker 2:pen and paper. What?
Speaker 3:are we gonna do with a pen and paper? Write a poem? Oh gay.
Speaker 2:Oh, you can say that, um, you can do anything. You can say that you can do anything. You can literally do anything. Start an anonymous blog writing poetry. It requires what a bloody computer.
Speaker 3:I think I get my. I mean, I don't know, get the free version of Ableton or GarageBand for me computer games kind of fill that void, but I don't know if that's a form of creativity. It's not, though, but you would say it's not because you hate computer games.
Speaker 2:I don't hate computer games, you know that's not true. I do know that's not true.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, I'm trying to think what other cities what about writing um like hundreds of emails to your local member of parliament in a day?
Speaker 2:I mean, if that, if that scratches the, it like you can be as creative as you want with those emails maybe that's all the the lady and baby reindeer was doing yeah, she was just getting her creative itch by sending like two to three hundred emails to one publican every single day about wanting to do really wretched stuff to him um
Speaker 2:these are. So it sounds pretty like from someone who's expressively, who said at the start of the show like I don't really get sad, I, I I'm assuming it's because I fill my life with these things quite consistently. Um, I like I'm constantly goal driven, I'm constantly pursuing artistic endeavors. The nature of my artistic endeavors. It means that I am social consistently. Um, and like to be fair this is going to sound so bad and the Chloe says this to me all the time she's like you only see your friends if it like involves work or like the music stuff that you're doing. I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3:Sammy's net worth. Oh sorry, your network is your net worth.
Speaker 2:But like I surround myself with people who are interested in the same things as me, you know I don't really. This is even worse. I don't really see the point and like like sure I can get, uh, another opinion from someone who's like outside my world, but like I feel like they're just going to be boring, so I don't really care. It's like the biggest problem I had with like being in a gym. I love exercise, I think it's great, but people who like exercises their life is some of the most boring people you'll meet on the face of the earth. And I'm sorry to anyone who's a fitness professional who is listening to the show right now, but part of the reason why I love being at home is because most of the people I interact with, even as clients now, are the people who do other stuff that I'm really interested in doing.
Speaker 3:So yeah, absolutely, and if you want a very fun environment for a workout, sammy is your guy. This place, the environment here, is very nice oh, yeah, and then you do a catch-up on your life it's nice you're coming and seeing mates at the classes. It's very, very fun.
Speaker 2:So I mean like that, I mean speaking of that. That is one thing that does get me down and like a little bit worried is like at the moment because of uh, I've actually lost quite a few clients due to, um, the cost of living going up and I understand PT thing's been that one stable thing while I've been pursuing this music and now it's starting to become a little bit shaky, shaky yeah, so it's also.
Speaker 3:It's not that I mean it's obviously not the client's fault, but while it's a luxury to the clients to go to the gym, it's not a luxury for you to be working, you know like the job that you do here PTing isn't like the fun cherry on top that you can like. I mean, I enjoy it.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, you're right. Um, so that I guess, like is the one thing that has been giving me some worry and anxiety and I know what I sort of have to do to resolve that. So are you going to set yourself another goal? I have set myself a goal. I did some letter drops today actually very nice so we'll see.
Speaker 3:I need at least five six more clients I think we can get five or six.
Speaker 2:Just keep taking hot pictures of me working out and I will spread it to the games far and wide and then listening gays come see me, I might start doing some more online things, cause I've been doing uh one for a lovely gentleman in Melbourne, so like a couple more of those would be really good, cause I'm very good at programming.
Speaker 3:This is the other thing.
Speaker 2:I know I'm the good at programming. This is the other thing. I know I'm the best at pretty much everything that. I do, and that's why I don't get sad, and that's an incredible point to have?
Speaker 3:Is that arrogance, I don't know. Confidence, self-confidence yeah, the only person in life that's going to be able to talk you up properly and for it to matter is you. Yeah, other people can tell me, I can tell you all the time, sammy, you do a great job. It's never going to mean as much as you telling you you do a great job. Yeah, it's like thanks, andrew. I know Arrogance is just what people say when they're jealous of people's confidence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've ditched the tall poppy syndrome. Yeah, be the tallest poppy.
Speaker 3:As a fun little note to the end of this, have you, Sammy, ever wondered whether your pets gets seasonal affective disorder? Do you wonder whether Pikelet gets sad in the winter?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he does. He doesn't like it when it's raining. He just goes around the house going.
Speaker 3:Oh, cat-o-depresso. There have been a surprisingly small amount of studies on seasonal affective disorder in household pets. They actually say it's very difficult to measure because we obviously can't get a therapist into the head of a kitty cat soon, though, yeah, one day.
Speaker 3:One day we'll have those little um antennas on their heads that'll make them speak I would love to communicate with yeah, he would just say I'm tired um, there have been, uh, there's been studies on how you could study it and really what they focus on and what they think seasonal affective disorder relates to is actually day length. So, um, you know, in the winter you wake up in the morning and it's kind of dark, you leave work and it's kind of dark. Um, that they think is affecting, uh, your hippocampal plasticity, which they think is what affects your day. But that is something that would affect mammals, so things like house pets, like a sweet kitty, cat or a sweet doggy dog, a sweet little bunny rabbit, a sweet little bunny rabbit, but yeah, we don't really get much of that here.
Speaker 2:It's not like we're….
Speaker 3:There's a lesser variance here, but that is definitely a significant one, and I notice it mostly with the workouts when I come to your house, because in the summer I do my entire workout with you in the sun yeah, it's a nice, warm, sunny day and then we don't change the time of our workouts, but then as we get closer to the evening that's sorry, we get closer to winter I'm doing my workouts in the dark in the into dork, and so, yeah, your pets could possibly get it, but science doesn't yet.
Speaker 2:Just tell them to do some journaling and pursue some artistic endeavors oh my God, cat journaling.
Speaker 3:I would love that Meow Meow.
Speaker 2:Meow meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow meow meow. Thank you so much for listening to what Basically, If you want to find Andrew, you can find him at the bareback investor. If you want to find Andrew, you can find him at the Beer Back and Bister. If you want to find me, you can find me at Well Basically, sam. If you want to find Mikey, you can find him at the Well Basically, mikey. If you want the website, it's wwwwellbasicallypodcom. The website is green stuff, would you say green's a happy color or a sad color?
Speaker 3:It's happy you color or a sad color, it's happy. You're happy when you're in green. Go to nature, touch grass, everyone touch grass basically that's it.