Well...Basically
Well...Basically
192: What Drives Fitness Influencers to Steroids?
On today's episode we talked about drugs, performance enhancing ones specifically.
We noticed a trend on social media of people being more open about their steroid use. There was an individual who was very young who has hopped on them.
We talked about some problems with that, even some positives of steroid use, went over the risks and why its all just a bit cooked at the moment.
We hope you enjoy today's episode!
Links:
Alex Eubank is "no longer natty" (Full Interview) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiAjEHj88gs
this is well, basically with your host, mike de silva, and sam weeks on today's episode.
Speaker 2:We talked about drugs, performance enhancing ones specifically. I've been noticing a trend on social media of people being more open about their steroid use. There was an individual individual who's very young, who's hopped on. We talked about some problems with that, some even positives about steroid usage, and informed you of the risks and why. It's all just a bit cooked at the moment. We hope you enjoyed today's episode. This is well. Basically, I was, actually I've been um, watching a lot of. Basically you know, when you like this is kind of ties into the conversation we're having later. But you know, when you watch one thing and then all of a sudden you're completely riddled with stuff that's related, like Connor, who is my musical partner and good friend. His wife loves Charlie XCX and I I'm not really into that brat album wow I didn't get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know that's hateful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I've said that before I know, but it hurts me every time yeah, sorry, um, I just don't know if the music's for me I have since. So, anyway, she made me. I she didn't make me watch video. She sent me a video because it was very.
Speaker 2:It was a very interesting interview where she talked about sort of authenticity through music and sort of this album that she's done, feeling like, um, her not really trying to fit a, uh, a pop, a pop dive through a pop circle, if you will. She was just sort of doing what she wanted. And then she talked about the marketing, all that and being really authentic. And I did go to some of the songs because she talked about some of them and, yeah, I was like, yeah, it sounds now you love the album. Yeah, yeah, sure, um, anyway, I, like my, I sent a video to annabelle of my feed on youtube after watching that and it was all just brat related stuff. And then the last thing that popped up was an ad for like sale costs that you install in your house for like shade, and the sale cloth was brat green uh, did you look at the comments of it?
Speaker 3:I reckon there was a ton of charlie xcxp uh fans being like, oh it's brat, it's brat yeah, yeah, I actually have a brat colored shirt. Oh my god, get it out, now's the season, yeah it is, it is summer's over in the northern hemisphere, though I don't know what we're supposed to do here in the southern hemisphere um, we can still.
Speaker 2:It's summer now, so you can wear yeah but is it a bit like uncool? Now you know if brad summer's ended, I mean I don't know if it was ever cool in my oh, hey, hey, hey, whoa no, I do know it's great and I have. I have respect for anyone who's been authentic to their art and I actually really enjoyed her talking the um, the tiktok algorithm is really, really insidious.
Speaker 3:when it knows that you're like into something, sometimes it misses the mark, like recently. I watched one video and it had maybe 50 views. It had like 10 likes. It was very low watched video and it's quite low quality. But I something about this one video really tickled me. It was just like a cat playing and they had like a, a text over it that was like oh, when you have to make a small talk with your boss, and it was like a cat kind of trying to play with a dog. It didn't make sense. I don't know why I watched this video, but I did.
Speaker 3:And then back to this account, um, of just cat, this one cat with text over the top of it, and all of them were as unfunny as that and I got so sick of it so quickly, but it just would not release me from that group. Um, but also, if I'm in like a mood, like if I'm in a sad mood or if I'm in, you know, like whatever I'm feeling, it'll like start serving me videos from that and it feels like it knows exactly what the problem is that I'm facing at that time and then gives me these like weird specific videos about that. Um, it always makes me feel very seen and then, when I feel seen, I feel horrified that I'm like looking into this little black, this black mirror um, this black mirror, and being like Whoa, this computer knows me.
Speaker 2:I just get the tech talk, the only tech talk I use, and actually I have used the other one for fitness stuff, the well, basically podcast one that's like effectively dead Cause we haven't put anything on there.
Speaker 3:Um, go like our old videos on tech talk Go like them, send them around.
Speaker 2:It's on tiktok go like them, send them around. It's all the metal, james. One's just all dj stuff. Yeah, good, all dj stuff. It doesn't really change because they never push the like button, I just scroll.
Speaker 3:Oh, my sister said that. She said I never like videos and I don't save them and I'm like so your algorithm's just going off, like how much you watch it before you scroll? I my, I throw likes around like there's no tomorrow. I'm like that's a medium quality video, like I was like. That video didn't make me fill with rage.
Speaker 3:I like that andrew's got a low bar yeah, I mean, I just think they deserve the like. You know it takes so much effort to put something online. It takes a lot of guts to like put something up, even if it's shitty.
Speaker 2:Well, you should start doing it, no, it takes so much effort to put stuff online.
Speaker 3:I'm too lazy.
Speaker 2:It's actually true, it's very true. Are we going to get music? We are indeed Buckle, buckle, buckle. Episode number 192. Andrew, hand your string to me. I'm here, andrew is here. Mikey's away, he's got family here, he's got to see them. It's important, it's very important. We're going to talk about stuff and things, most of it fitness related. Most of it, a good chunk of it, I would say yeah, some not though. Shout out to first time listeners, second time listeners, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, if this is your ninth episode.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 2:Happy Halloween.
Speaker 3:Send us a message and I'll send you a nude. Okay, thank you yeah.
Speaker 2:You can get in trouble for that. I think Can I. Yeah, you can't. Just Well, I guess if someone's asked for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you put the request in for it and I'll send it over. Consent is key. It is, it's very key.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay I love that little trumpet I used to play trumpet. I know I was a trumpeter.
Speaker 3:I love that little trumpet. I used to play trumpet. I know I was a trumpeter. Oh, what is that? A synth.
Speaker 2:That is indeed someone going crazy.
Speaker 3:What's that? One where you wave your hand next to it and it makes noises. It's a theremin. Yeah, that's a cool, that's a real cool instrument.
Speaker 2:I just I mean who can?
Speaker 3:play who plays that? I saw a video of a lady in a gym playing a pheromone and there was like a hundred kids behind her doing their gym class, like they were told to dance, and she was like making the song for it. Uh, I thought it was like. It was like a woman looked really like lunch lady, like as well it was. It's a real. It's such a great video. I'm pretty sure it's from russia.
Speaker 3:It's a really uh, it sounds like a very aesthetic video sounds like a russian video, but I really back it as an instrument. An instrument you don't have to touch. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is pretty crazy. You know what else is another instrument. You don't have to touch what your voice?
Speaker 3:Oh my God. Well, that opens up a really big debate, because surely you're always touching yourself?
Speaker 2:I don't always touch myself. Don't say that about me, wow.
Speaker 3:I'm speaking for myself here always touch myself.
Speaker 2:Don't say that about me. Wow, I'm speaking for myself here just most of the time. Uh, tiktok, we talked about that before. We talked about youtube. This very much ties into the conversation which we're going to have today. We're going to talk about drugs.
Speaker 3:Yep, that's perfect, hey before we go on to drugs. Um, I wanted to mention a. There was a new story that came out like two weeks ago of one of those like um. They're not ancestry companies, they're the ones that do like the gene testing on you and they had all these people information and they tell you like breakdown of which country came from, and then they went into receivership and then everyone has now freaked out because all of this gene information they keep and so they're worried that it's going to get out into like the private health sector market and they're going to use that as like background research on you when you go for private health insurance.
Speaker 3:They're going to be like oh, actually you have a predisposition to X, Y, z, so we're actually not going to cover you for that.
Speaker 2:Oh really. Oh yeah, I can see how that would be kind of annoying.
Speaker 3:It's. The one fear of sending off your health data, especially at a young age, to one of these companies is that forever it will be stored somewhere on a server and, while it may be safe now, if that company goes bust, they can't guarantee the safety and integrity of that data. And that's also these companies biggest asset that they hold is like a ton of health data. Do you have a life story that relates to this? Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Andrew, are you fishing? Actually, it's so funny you brought that up because my dad he's they're traveling at the moment and they sent me. Dad sent me a message and he goes. What did he say? Thought this from Ancestry? Is that the one that went under?
Speaker 3:No, ancestry is big. They got bought out in 2020 by an investment group, elon Musk, I think by BlackRock.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, not Elon Musk, no BlackRock. Oh yeah, not Elon Musk, no Um, elon Musk would love my results.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, yeah, tell us about him. Uh, he's just Aryan A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Uh, I mean it's. I'm probably the widest person you know, oh my God. So here it is I'm 49% England and Northwestern Europe, 18% Germanic Europe, 11% Denmark, 9% Scotland, 7% Ireland, 4% Wales and 2% Cornwall. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:That first of all, cornwall, I thought was in England.
Speaker 2:I think it is, so I don't quite understand.
Speaker 3:But that is all. That's all. One region. All of those percentages are one region. That's western Europe, right?
Speaker 2:I haven't even checked what this adds up to. Yeah, it must Surely. But yeah, why are they all the same Germanic hero? Well, I do like our last name Wix derives from, I think, vix, or something like that.
Speaker 3:Vix Vapora. Yeah, my ancestors were they just made a tag of Tiger Balm.
Speaker 2:Back in 2000, bc were making sure people could breathe good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, by giving them like a little fire powder to put on the chest.
Speaker 2:They actually naturally excrete.
Speaker 3:Vicks the menthol. Where do you Menthol sweat? Where do you excrete it from Sam?
Speaker 2:If we're sweet, it usually comes from Wow. That would be really uncomfortable. Yeah, no, it doesn't hurt because it's part of the genes. Yeah, wow your blood, your blood runs, no but the, the vix, is the the name, like it's like a, it's like a viking thing, apparently. So you know, I did all that. No wonder you're so beautiful.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of beautiful stolen women in your ancestry came over in their long boats and stole all the hot women from a town and then took them back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and it's all bred into you. That's true.
Speaker 2:Wow, that explains the good looks yeah and my uh, I like salmon and blueberries.
Speaker 3:Yes, just like a bear absolutely, absolutely, you'd make a good bear what I don't just say that, no, you need more hair. You're big enough, I reckon I mean, no, actually you're not big enough. You're too muscly, because the bears are a little bit more like a rotund. Yeah, um, and yeah, you do need a good coat of hair on you. I feel, I think, I think that's like the defining feature of a bear I would say I could never.
Speaker 2:What would you? How would you categorize me? What would I, I would? I would say twunk, twunk Is that a thing, it's like a twink.
Speaker 3:That's a hunk, a twunk yeah, I would say twunk.
Speaker 2:What's twinky about me?
Speaker 3:The hairlessness. You're not fully hairless, but compared to me it's an open field and I don't know You're like live upbeat attitude as well.
Speaker 2:My androgynous face, my slightly androgynous kind of feminine features.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, I do see that. Yeah, and also it's like the upbeat, like levity to you twinks seem to have no problems okay yeah, or they hide them yeah, mostly hiding, then you're the perfect twink. Yeah, okay, right but twunk, I would say, because obviously a twink needs to be like rake, thin and um, you've got muscle yeah, okay, I like that how would you categorize me in the straight world? Um? What are the options? I couldn't soy boy rapist. Uh, that's not describing me. I'm saying, that's your options, okay.
Speaker 2:What else is?
Speaker 3:it Alpha male, you got the alpha beta sigma delta.
Speaker 2:I could just use the slur, couldn't I?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that's how you're describing the straight world would be the F word.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right, that is good I like that, that's true, yeah, that's how all those straight people talk about you.
Speaker 3:As soon as I leave the straight functions they're like damn, I better not say it, I do love saying the word, but I better not say it on something that's kept permanently.
Speaker 2:Speaking of we're going to move into our topic.
Speaker 3:Lina, give us a segue between calling me a slur and steroid use.
Speaker 1:We all know words can be strong, but let's move on to something that actually builds muscle steroids wow, I can't believe how easily she weaves that together we need to pay her more, but I don't want to I don't want to pay her anything more than zero.
Speaker 2:She can start making money when the podcast starts making money she does snore at night time and, like we've moved her outside onto the balcony, she's been complaining about the mosquitoes.
Speaker 3:But yeah, she also has this really bad habit of tinking her um cutlery against her teeth when she eats, so she actually has to eat out of a bowl now with my clit, yeah exactly, and also I mean her nutritional needs aren't as bad as ours, so we just give her cat kibble.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she keeps asking for borscht and I tell her, no, you can't have it. Sorry, I don't know how to make it, you should know how to make it.
Speaker 3:Make us some borscht.
Speaker 2:Make us some borscht, betty. Okay, good segue, which we completely derailed.
Speaker 3:Give us another segue between borscht and steroids, please, Svetlana.
Speaker 1:Borscht may be packed with nutrients, but when it comes to packing on muscle, some turn to well heavier stuff. Let's talk about steroids.
Speaker 3:Another banger.
Speaker 2:Okay, so, uh, I was having a little scroll, as I've been doing. I've been talking to Andrew just before we actually had the show that my, um, my ADHD has been really bad the last couple of months and it's led to a lot of doom scrolling, but luckily I've been absorbing some information which is relevant to the podcast. So, um, uh, a fitness YouTuber who we don't really need to name. He was famously like he's in, he's in great shape and he's made a lot of money, uh, selling a bunch of programs, and he kind of did this big video announcement that he was gonna hop on steroids and he kind of listed all these reasons as to why he was doing it and tried to justify it. Um, and I found the video quite problematic, um, for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 3:So what was the reasoning he was giving for getting on steroids?
Speaker 2:One was basically everybody's doing it and he feels like he should, you know jump on. He feels like he hasn't been progressing. Mind you, this individual has only been training for eight years and he's 24.
Speaker 2:Wow only been training for eight years and he's 24, wow, um.
Speaker 2:And then obviously, uh, because everyone's doing it and everyone who's doing it is selling programs and like fitness related material um, I guess he feels like he's lagged behind. He's also like what I have noticed is that his actual like youtube channel itself has taken a bit of a dive in recent memory. So I think this is like also a bit of a marketing thing to get him up. And then, after watching that and kind of, uh, he sat down with a guy called Noel Diesel Diesel, who's another like fitness Tik Tok guy, who's like talked about his steroid use quite a lot and they talked about the reasons and, um, he kind of he was like doing a lot and they talked about the reasons and, um, he kind of he was like doing a lot of he doesn't really know why he was, why he's doing it, like he kind of said that he wasn't doing it for ego and like all this stuff, and then he continued to list off stuff that you're like well, that's I mean it has to be part of it exactly.
Speaker 3:I mean it's an aesthetic move to take steroids.
Speaker 2:There's no way you're taking for your health exactly right and also he's very much convinced that because he's only doing a trt dose and what's trt uh replacement?
Speaker 2:therapy. So basically his whole thing was that he stayed pretty lean the whole time, which is obviously looks good for the ground, looks good for marketing, um. But when you like that all the time, often your testosterone is quite low or like pretty much crashed the whole time. So he's going to be taking a TRT dose, which is very easy to do in America. Basically, you go to a clinic, they say you're low and they're like we can jab you up right now. Oh my God, I want that here. No, you don't.
Speaker 3:What If it's a clinic? It's a doctor, oh my God.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about that later um yeah, mark that yeah, you mark that.
Speaker 2:So I I really found the whole conversation, uh, very interesting. And then I stumbled across this other video where I what I sent to andrew and this guy kind of listed off how problematic the like youtube fitness community in particular really is at the moment in terms of it being rife with steroid use and like it used to be that you wouldn't actually know. You know that these guys were taking drugs, which is like very that's what I used to think and it's very innocent, it's very cute and like got me into training and I used to think that I could look like arnold schwarzenegger exactly. But then now, ultimate natty, the ultimate natty, yeah, but now, now that everyone's telling you what they're on and there's a whole lot of young people watching this stuff, this guy kind of said, like what is stopping these people from just hopping on unnecessarily? And apparently there's a bit of a steroid epidemic, particularly in the States, with a lot of young people just hopping on the gear with like literally little to no experience and training, not sorting anything out.
Speaker 3:The best is people under 25 who are still like rolling out at the end of puberty, going on testosterone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's like that you're at your peak babe. You're like filling a full bucket there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and also then I don't think they're really hot, like you see, all this stuff, but I think often the risks aren't talked about enough and we'll and we'll get those in a sec, but I mean, like you're on YouTube, tiktok doing all that, seeing some of that content.
Speaker 3:I imagine.
Speaker 2:How do you feel about all of it?
Speaker 3:It's an interesting topic because I obviously wasn't a few years ago. I would never see any content for fitness. The only stuff I would see is just hot gay men on my feed, but it wouldn't be related to fitness. And so the idea that before it wasn't talked about and now it is sounds to me at front level like a healthy thing, because then you're not having unrealistic body expectations. You know what these people are on. So, yeah, I would say my engagement right now with fitness content isn't crazy. My fitness content is mostly people that are like out of shape in one way or another. Either they've got a disability, um, that makes working out more difficult, or they're quite large and they're getting into their fitness journey, or they're a large person specifically catered towards other large people getting on the fitness journey, because I find that content really interesting, seeing how people like adapt fitness I think you'd get pleasure from the other content, the like the steroid, the crazy right, it's just like really attractive muscular man I don't think so.
Speaker 3:I don't think so because, also about two, three years ago, I purged all of the really hot men from all of my social media, that's right because I went through a little bit of a mentee bee and it helped a lot, and this you can take to the Sam.
Speaker 3:If your feed is rife with really hot people and you feel like shit, it is 100% related and you can just cut it all you can. You just have to unfollow them. The algorithm will work out what you're doing and they'll take it away as well, and then you'll just have like cat and dog videos or you know, like this fitness content of people with like alternate fitness needs is crazy, because it's so uplifting. It's so nice to see you know someone that you used to do this as well, like has a specialization for like training older people. It's a really nice thing to see that there's like people of all body sizes getting into fitness. So, to roll back to what we were talking about, I don't know if I see so much of the modern content of people taking steroids, but maybe you can talk to me a little bit about what the negatives would be of someone being upfront about the fact that they're taking steroids.
Speaker 3:Should they just not be. If they're influencers Like, is that, is that the? Is that the takeaway? I?
Speaker 2:I think like it's good to be open about it, but I think the negative effects are not talked about. Or like, for example, like he just said, like what he's hopping on what his dosage is, but on one hand, he's quite young, Like there's some people who are quite a lot older who talk about the downsides of these things and we've talked about this a lot on the show where, like he's like, yeah, I'm going to get mass he said this in the interviews like I'm going to get massive and shredded. I don't want to change my diet or do all of this stuff, I'm just going to take care and that's going to be like the secret sauce.
Speaker 2:Like that's kind of how which, which is not a secret, but, um, I I think if he is doing something like that, there should be full documentation about sort of everything that he's doing. But even then, I think the fact that he is doing it like a level where, yeah, he looks great already, which, like, there's obviously a huge amount of body dysmorphia added to that, which he kind of danced around that subject and then we'll link to the interview, I reckon like, yeah, we can do that he really danced around the subject in the interview that I watched and I was like, well, there's clearly a lot going that is really interesting that he because, um, do you mention before that he wasn't doing it for ego reasons, but again, it probably the that's the only reason you could really need to.
Speaker 3:I mean, he's saying it's for, like, a business need, but to not hit the fact that he's like I also would like my body to get bigger. Like I don't feel like I feel like I, my body should be bigger than it is. Yeah, that's exactly that's exactly what he said he does. I feel like that's acknowledging that this mafia yeah, it is and it isn't.
Speaker 2:Um, anyway, I I just like I don't know what the solution is, but I almost feel like it was better before, when it was undisclosed and people went to cause, like then people would just try harder, just try hard without doing the drugs. And like these, negative side effects are not listed and there's a few things we're going to go through now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, why don't we jump into some of the negatives? Because, I have been dancing around I mean not seriously, but dancing around the idea of possibly doing a run Not myself Maybe, who knows, but every single person I've talked to about doing any kind of steroids or TRT or whatever has been like just don't, just simply don't. So it would be nice now to hear what will go wrong if I do.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, for starters, let's let's keep it to this. I saw a really good comment on on the top of this, of which was, like, quite mean, but also quite fair. This guy who's going to take the jump on the steroids we already has, he's very attractive, like, like very conventionally attractive. He's got nice long blonde hair and, like, very good skin. All of that and the top comment was and it was like, watch his followers drop as he loses his hair and gets covered in acne. I was like, actually, though, like pretty reasonable because, like, I mean, it comes down to genetics, but one of the things, one of the things that can happen for a lot of people is they lose their hair, like it really, really does happen, also because you're taking all these exogenous hormones. There's quite a famous video where this guy's going up to people in the gym and ask them if they're on drugs or not. And he goes up to this guy and he's like, are you on anything?
Speaker 2:and he's like yes, and this guy looks 50 and he's like, yeah, I'm 22 oh god so it actually significantly ages you a lot and, depending on what you're taking, like if you start to get into growth hormone and that kind of thing, you're, not only do you get larger in the muscles, you get larger in other places as well. So like things like your jawline and you can.
Speaker 3:I know a big problem one is the heart, because the heart is just a rolled up muscle basically all right.
Speaker 2:So there's that like the physical thing is not supposed to expand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know like it's made to pump for your whole life and it does that really really well. It's not supposed to get to be a big muscly heart. But these hormones, they affect every single muscle in your body, even tiny, unused ones, and they make every single one of them get bigger exactly right.
Speaker 2:Um, so there's that, and I'm trying to think of what another physical obviously like if you're taking exogenous hormones. Um so your, your testes, for me in any way, are predominantly responsible for reduce producing the testosterone your body. When you start taking exogenous hormones, your testes go. Oh shit, I don't have to do this anymore because I'm getting pumped up with however many milligrams a week so they do shrink, which is like you know. That's like if you're going to take steroids, you kind of know that that's going to happen.
Speaker 3:And let me tell you, lads, girls love some pendulous balls.
Speaker 2:They do take steroids you kind of know that. That let me tell you, lads, girls love some pendulous balls. Yeah, they do so. And also a complication that can happen with that is, once that shutdown occurs, even if you stop taking testosterone, you do have to go through a whole procedure for actually like kick-starting your system into producing oh, it doesn't just start up naturally no, so you have to do post-cycle therapy, so there are things that you have to take in order for them to sort of get back working again.
Speaker 2:And if you have a low like, if you stop taking steroids and you have low testosterone, like afterwards, it feels fucking shit, like it's a key hormone into how we actually feel, feel mentally as well. So not only will you sleep like shit and feel like shit, you probably feel quite sad. Oh, my god, oh so there's a, there's a few things that you have to take in order to get it started, but also sometimes that doesn't fucking work and basically you have to spend the rest of your life on steroids. Oh my god which?
Speaker 3:and that's just the physical stuff, isn't it this is? This is mental stuff and this is the physical stuff.
Speaker 2:And also, like I was looking at, I watched another video by a very good guy called Mike Israetel and he sort of talked about this study, which was super interesting, and it's related to what steroids do to your brain as well. So I've got an abstract here from the actual study itself. But it turns out that steroids actually make you dumb.
Speaker 3:oh no, this is something you mean gym, bro.
Speaker 2:It's a true, it's actually a thing, this and this is something you and I have talking, talked about, and I think it was the one thing that kind of made you go.
Speaker 3:Oh no, yeah, well, I think it's a combination, because you've talked to me about the physical ones before and I was like that sounds like a nightmare. I don't know if I want to do that, but maybe, maybe it'll be harder. And then you and a mate was telling me about the mental stuff that happened and I was like, oh my God, you just basically become like you just ruin all parts of your body, but you get bigger muscles.
Speaker 2:So they've got an abbreviation which is anabolic androgenic steroids, so AAS, and this is the conclusion from the study. Long-term AAS use is associated with right amygdala enlargement which is the part of the brain and reduced right amygdala, with brain areas involved in cognitive control and spatial memory, which contribute to the psychiatric effects and cognitive dysfunction associated with anabolic steroid use.
Speaker 3:So for layman's that means that you aren't going to have a good understanding of the world around you or your thinking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:After you take this Correct. That's crazy. Yeah, that's. That is a nightmare.
Speaker 2:And this guy, mike, is retail. He. He's done a few podcasts where you talk about cause he, he competes and he's he's very intelligent. But like he's like when I am on for like prep and like dosed up to the girls bullshit I feel stupid, like I actually feel dumb and he's like I also feel the aggression thing is a real, it's a real thing that's not just something that people, people talk about and say that it's aroid rage, it's, it's, it's a real thing.
Speaker 2:Um, so there's also that wow, that sounds uh wall-to-wall, pretty bad yeah, I mean, I think, like, I mean we can, like, I feel like we spend enough time on the negative and not that we're really going to talk about the positive.
Speaker 3:But that was something that you brought I do well, maybe not the positive, but when would people realistically be taking steroids? So for a little story, when I was going through all the scabies stuff with myself and we didn't know what it was, me and the doctor were like testing for everything. He basically put like 20 different tests onto this sheet. Uh, they ended up taking so much of my blood. It was uh, it was a real. It was a real awful time to get that much blood taken. I was queasy as anything.
Speaker 3:But when he was putting them all in to make up the thing, I was like oh, maybe I could slip in the testosterone test here just to see how it's going. And he was like, because I was like, oh well, you're testing for these 20, so you can just chuck this one on, like no one's gonna check that. He was like no, they in australia take real pains to make sure that you need a genuine medical need for the testosterone stuff, because so so many guys go into the doctor and go throw on a testosterone test, throw on a testosterone test that medicare now will scrutinize every single one of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so is there a reason for people to be going getting that testosterone tested?
Speaker 2:if you, if you feel like shit, yeah it could be a potential thing and like usually, if you have a conversation with your doctor about it and they're reasonable, then I mean because, yeah, I mean, my situation was clearly not related to testosterone, so, like he, was like, yeah sure, whatever. But I mean I've actually I've never got it done. I've never got it done, I haven't felt the need to.
Speaker 3:But why would people need to? So you feel like shit and then the doctor prescribes you testosterone. Yeah, are you going to face these same problems, or are they doing lower doses when they're doing it?
Speaker 2:Well, this is like what a TRT dose is right they're trying it which is like 250 milligrams, is actually quite high, so they'll prescribe you something to get you up to base level. But a lot of the same things happen because you're you're getting this exogenously but like it'll all be, and like probably with the individual that we're talking about, it'll be supervised by a doctor, a lot of these people who who are taking regular stuff, you get blood work done all the time to kind of see where you're at blood pressure, all that stuff, because blood pressure can be another really big one and you would feel more energy, I imagine, after you start taking testosterone.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, my God, you feel, apparently. You feel like God.
Speaker 3:Well, the pendulum's swinging back. Maybe I need to go back to the doctor.
Speaker 2:No, you do apparently feel really good. You get very, very strong quickly. You put on muscle way quicker, even like there's studies that show that even if you don't work out and you have like super physiological levels of testosterone running through your body from taking exogenous body's just going to build the muscles anyway, yeah, wow, it does. So you could. You can get big doing nothing if you're really lazy that is sex as well yes, yes, yes, and except when the, the shutdown happens, like when?
Speaker 2:because, like you, do have to do period, well, a lot of people do have to do periods of often, um, I guess, has to keep the test, he's still producing it, and things like that, yeah, make sure? Yeah, I think your sex drive does increase significantly.
Speaker 3:They um, when I see a lot of content from trans people as well on tiktok and the female to male trans people always talk about how, when they start on testosterone, they go through this like teenage level puberty where they're like so crazy horny and like insanely angry, and like they, just they, their whole, they just experience what it's like to be like a 15 year old boy. I thought that was very interesting, you know um.
Speaker 2:We haven't really talked about the effect of testosterone on women. I mean, that's not a topic I feel super comfortable or like knowledgeable we can maybe save that for another episode.
Speaker 3:I don't want to delve into something that both of us clearly don't know anything about, but they do, the ones taking doing shows.
Speaker 2:It's not often not testosterone, is that they um the drug of choice, but they do take exogenous hormones to help with things like getting lean and that kind of thing, muscle hardness, all that stuff. Um, uh, positives, positives, that's kind of it. You put on muscle really temporarily you feel really good.
Speaker 3:But also temporarily you feel really good on heroin and I don't know if we're gonna say, oh, that's a really good. You know you feel really good on heroin and I don't know if we're going to say, oh, that's a really good you know you get a good good feeling for a good hit, but there's a lot of stuff that happens after that.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Right. So, and like I think there is, like here there's let's make a case for someone who potentially could or should um go to. We've already talked about an individual like that who has naturally low testosterone, not due. A lot of people like maybe this is another thing I can add. So, another thing that people are doing, and I've touched on it quite a few times in the episode, but people are scared of needles. So there are these research chemicals that have been out. Uh, they've been around for about 10 years, maybe more 15 years, because I got offered some a long, long time ago when I was at the gym and when I was at like a commercial gym, and they're called SARMS, p-s-a-l-m-s, no S-A-R-M-S.
Speaker 3:Sleek of.
Speaker 2:Androgen Receptor.
Speaker 3:Modulators Like the biblical.
Speaker 2:So they're kind of marketed as like uh, like steroid, like results without the side effects. Oh yes, and there's no needle, so it's an oral, it's an oral dose. Um, and a couple of them are very, very strong and a couple of them have different uh, uh sort of applications Like?
Speaker 3:are they exogenous hormones? Uh?
Speaker 2:Okay. So the idea behind them is that they like work with your body to help you produce more testosterone, but it turns out that a lot of the time that isn't the case. So most people like particular, if you're taking one, there's one MK ultra no, uh, this is I'm going to call it Austrian, cause I can't remember what like the code is for it, cause that was the one that I got offered. That's like a medium dose one I've had clients take. It Shuts you down. You have to do post-psychotherapy, the same thing that you have to do if you're taking testosterone. You just avoid the needle and the results aren't as good. You may as well just take testosterone.
Speaker 3:You may as well just take testosterone testosterone, so everyone may as well just take testosterone the hair loss and the acne stuff can also happen.
Speaker 2:So, that's a thing. But going back to what I think people who should be taking, it is if someone is very, very fucking serious about bodybuilding and that's what they want to do with their life, and there are a well-trained individual, they have their diet locked in and their training locked in and they have been training for 10 years or more. I reckon that's perfectly fine If that is the life choice that you want to make and you know all about the risks. Um, because that's part of the sport. Let's be real.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like yeah, absolutely, and even then. And also I'm fine for people to be taking anything, even if it's bad for them, like if they want to take hearty drugs or they want to drink a smoke. I think that's all fine. But I agree with you that you need to have the right mental capacity to. And I imagine this 24 year old guy I you know, I don't know his statistics for his videos, but I would say the majority of them would be 16 to 20 year olds getting into the gym who are very plastic brained people and they say this hot guy is getting hotter. How do I get hotter?
Speaker 2:Ah, testosterone, yeah, Um, and like, literally I would say, the majority of the most popular uh fitness YouTubers, bar a couple uh on drugs and everything about it. So it's, yeah, it's an interesting time where it's becoming like the thing to do. So it's, yeah, it's an interesting time where it's becoming like the thing to do, so it's quite. I'm interested to see how long this lasts for and what, like, if it continues to be this kind of continues to be a trend.
Speaker 3:I wonder too. I mean, we see these kinds of like medical health trends kick off and then just stick around. Ozempic obviously came up as a really big thing because a lot of they found out. So what happens with celebrities is they get access to these drugs really early because they have a ton of money, uh, and so we don't hear about them for like years and years after.
Speaker 3:Like um kim kardashian, you know, when she had she started getting a bigger and bigger ass and everyone was like she's got butt implants and at the time she did like an x-ray that showed into her ass that there was, there was no implant in there and everyone was like how is this possible? How's it possible? And then we worked out that she was getting a BBL. When the rest of the world worked out what a BBL is, obviously the fat deposits you put in there aren't going to show up on an x-ray because it's just part of the body. This happens with a whole bunch of different drugs and eventually there'll be a new drug that comes out that doesn't have so many side effects and people will start going on to that more. I don't think it'll go away. I think we'll just get better at doing it.
Speaker 2:Well, we used to be able to buy in New Zealand, Like when I first started training. You could buy like pro. They were called pro hormones and they were.
Speaker 3:It was basically like Dianabol, which is a steroid that they used to take in the 60s and 70s, but it's just like an oral like pill that just fucking blows you up you take on a lot of water, but it's has all the side effects and I imagine you know like 40, it's like 30 years ago, 20 years ago, the steroids that we had, or the trt or whatever, they would have been worse. They would just be like worse, more, more rough versions of what we've got now and also like that.
Speaker 2:I think, if you really want to go back, because steroids like weren't really a thing until the 60s that's kind of when they came in. So like, if you look at, um, there was a sort of an actor called steve reeves in the 50s and he looked amazing, if you guys want to look him up and he didn't take any drugs bit of a genetic freak. But if you want to see like what, like someone who was definitely natural looked like at with who was in great shape, like the top, top, top tier that's the guy and like I think people are now kind of going well, I can't get there.
Speaker 2:Naturally, it's like you can. It is just like you have to actually dial in everything even more. It's way easier with steroids, there's no doubt about it, but the risks uh there's a lot of health risks, a lot of health.
Speaker 3:Have you ever done a? Done a run, sammy? No, no, I haven't Ever no you worked in fitness for what their whole life when I was younger. But like that's when you are really tempted. But then you look at the rest. I'm keen, maybe when I'm like 45 and like I go get a.
Speaker 2:It's when you see the testosterone dip down, yeah, dip down, and I'm like not feeling good in training and all that stuff.
Speaker 3:That could be a time where I do that, but like other than that, no 30-whatever years old, you're not going to be looking at pumping your body for the steroids.
Speaker 2:No, no, that's too good, that's too good.
Speaker 3:Plus, you're married. Now you don't have to look good anymore. I can get really fat. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I would love that. Maybe I just should.
Speaker 3:I'll do it for you, Sammy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for listening to. You can find him at the bareback investor. If you want to find mike, you can find him at well, basically mike. If you want to find me, you can find me at well, basically sam. The website is wwwwellbasicallypodcom.
Speaker 3:It's website screen. Uh, we're gonna set up a steroid shop. Yes, after all of that, if you'd like to buy steroids, please um, dm me a nude no, I'm not gonna give you steroids.
Speaker 2:This is not some quid pro quo I think I you should Nudes for steroids. That's on our website.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I reckon it exists Probably. If you're rake thin right now and you don't want to work out, we're going to pump you so full of steroids that your body will just make the muscles.
Speaker 2:Yeah sure. Well, basically, that's it, bye.