Cable Knowledge After Hours

We're back in the home studio after a brief hiatus to share updates and answer your burning questions about low-voltage cabling, career development, and business strategies.

• Upcoming episodes include features on Polywater's cable jacket repair kit and fault managed power systems
• Telecommunications Equipment Center (TEC) is the healthcare facility equivalent of an entrance facility, located in non-sterile areas
• Career advancement requires treating low voltage as a career rather than just a job
• Consider pursuing BICSI Installer 2, OSHA 30, network certifications, and cross-training in security or AV
• The 100-meter Ethernet cable limit is due to signal attenuation, not collision concerns
• Trust your gut when dealing with new clients and don't discount based on promises of future work
• Build adaptability by developing a learning mindset rather than just technical skillsets
• Watch at least one industry webinar monthly to maintain continuous learning habits
• BICSI RCDD certification courses through providers like CET Networking can cost $900-1700 but provide valuable preparation

Join us every Wednesday at 6 PM Eastern for After Hours Live, where you can ask your favorite RCDD questions about installation, design, project management, and career paths.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome to After Hours Live
• 2:24 Podcast Updates After Time Away
• 8:13 Healthcare Facilities Acronym Challenge
• 10:40 Career Advancement in Low Voltage
• 17:19 Cable Length Standards Explained
• 21:09 Business Strategy and Client Relations
• 24:32 Building Adaptability in ICT
• 29:28 RCDD Certification and Training Resources

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Wednesday night, 6 pm Eastern Standard Time. That could only mean one thing Live after hours with your favorite RCDD. You know, that's me, Chuck Bowser, RCD Tech.

Speaker 2: 0:17

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Speaker 1: 0:54

Let's talk cable and feel the energy rise. Welcome everybody. Welcome to After Hours Live, where you get to ask your favorite RCD questions on installation, design, project management, estimation, career path all of those cool questions.

Speaker 2: 1:10

Let's get this show rocking and rolling. Welcome to let's Talk Cable Inc. The award-winning podcast where knowledge is power and the low-volt voltage industry connects, hosted by Chuck Bowser, rcdd. We're here to empower installers. Your tools, churn out the volume and let's talk cabling. Let's talk cabling, your source for low-voltage expertise and connection.

Speaker 1: 1:55

Wise Components just joined the TikTok feed.

Speaker 1: 1:58

Hello, wise Components. Wise Components. And also who else was on there? I saw somebody else on there too that I recognized who was the other one. Who was the other one, who was the other one? Big T's in the house? Oh, cool New shirts. Dig it, man, dig it. I appreciate that. So, as you can tell, I'm back in the home studio, back in Florida, and that's cool. Why is it? I didn't know it could do that. It did a bokeh on, uh, on my background. That is wicked cool. That is wicked cool. I didn't even know it could do that. That's interesting man. So welcome. I'm back. Obviously, back in studio, back home. Shotzi, thank you for welcoming me back.

Speaker 1: 2:40

As you know, I took off two weeks because I had some issues. I had to go to Maryland to help take care of my mom, so I did not do live streams while I was there Because I was busy feeding her and taking vitals and all that other stuff. I was just serving as an intern until they could get a health home aide To come help with our care. So she's got a health home aide now and I'm back in the groove Wednesday night. What I did was I collected a bunch of questions over this two week period, so we got lots and lots of questions coming on and so the cool thing is, even though I did not do live streams, there was still stuff happening on the podcast. So, for example, last week I did a show with Polywater because it came out with a cable jacket relief, a cable jacket repair kit where if you damage your outside plant cable, you can put this on it and it's just as good as new and protected from the elements and all that other stuff. I got a sample of it right here. You know I'm going to be making a TikTok video with it. So if you have a product that you want me to make a TikTok video or a video on it to get it out there, send it to me. I'm not going to guarantee you I'll give you a good or bad review, but I will certainly review it. So be watching out for that one to come up.

Speaker 1: 4:08

I got another episode coming up with BS with Todd. You might remember him, bs with Todd and Mahoud. We talk about fault managed power systems. Somebody knows who is going to Bixie Beyond. I will be at Bixie Beyond. I will be there. So we're going to talk about fault managed power systems. What is it? What are the current challenges and hurdles? Where's fault-managed power systems going to go? And then the other show that's the two other shows that are in the hopper, as we like to say I've got a show where I'm going to tell you how to come up with your hourly rate if you've got your own Louisville Leach business, how to price running a cable, and then also how do you know if you're making money. So we're going to do that as well. And then also the other show that I'm working on too is going to be with Maxell Maxell.

Speaker 1: 5:00

So we've got a show with them coming on, and I appreciate if the audio is off. Just a tiny bit. I could not find the cord for my, my good microphone, so right now it's only coming across the microphone on my, on my Zoom camera. So I apologize for that. You know just, it just kind of happens sometimes Anthony's in the house, what's happened Live, or Warby. So so I have been saving up questions from people over those last two weeks to do this live stream. And who was it? Who was it? Let me think the cable guy. He's been doing a couple of live streams lately, so if you ever see him pop up and doing a live stream, please go watch it. Okay, he did a live stream while I was in Maryland. I hopped on a couple times with him and him dressing our cable, answering questions, stuff like that Great resource. Dee's in the house, waddles is in the house, so great, great resource.

Speaker 1: 5:56

So today's acronym challenge, today's acronym this is going to be a hard one, and if you get it, dude, you got my respect. Okay, because I probably wouldn't be able. And if you get it, dude, you got my respect. Okay, because I probably wouldn't be able to tell you this acronym. You see, we're coming to the close on our latest RCDD study group. We have, like, I think, two weeks left, maybe three weeks left maybe, and so this week we're in chapter 19, which is how to do cabling for healthcare facilities, and I noticed that there's a bunch of acronyms in there that I'd seen before, but I didn't really know what they were. So here's today's acronym. Today's acronym is and remember it has to do with healthcare facilities the acronym is TEC. Put your answer in the chat box TEC. What does that acronym mean? Wise Components says he has another one for us S-D-V-O-B. I have no idea what that acronym is. You got me stumped Wise Components. So TEC. What does that acronym mean? I'll give you a few seconds to put that in the chat box.

Speaker 1: 7:08

I did a poll on LinkedIn, was it this week, maybe? Maybe last week, I don't remember. I did a poll, go find, go look it up. I'm thinking about doing individual, one chapter specific study groups, right? So what I'll do is I'll put out a link, say, okay, this week we're studying chapter individual, one-chapter-specific study groups, right. So what I'll do is I'll put out a link, say, okay, this week we're studying Chapter 19, healthcare facilities. People can sign up for it. We'll do it via Zoom call and then we'll go right through the whole entire chapter. So if you're interested in that, let me know. I'm also going to do that for the, the Bixie technicians certification exams as well. So I get. So TC, tc, let me check, let's see. Did anybody get what TC means? I know I have a few fellow RCDs in the room, but it doesn't look. Excuse me, doesn't it look like anybody's gotten it? So, tc, what does TEC stand for? It stands for healthcare facilities. Come on now. Nobody wants to even try. Nobody, huh, huh. My feelings are hurt. My feelings are hurt.

Speaker 1: 8:16

Telecommunications equipment center. Yes, it's kind of like the entrance facility in a hospital. Okay, it's like. It's like the entrance facility. Now let me flip back over to my notes, because I had written down some things. I wanted to tell you about it, because there are some very, very specific things and I lost my notes. That's not fun. That's not fun when you lose your notes right here. We'll just do this. We'll just open up here, all right, so it's on docsgoogle, there we go. It should be the last one I had, so we'll open it up there. It is the TEC. So again, it's like the entrance facility for a hospital.

Speaker 1: 8:58

You need to have at least one, and some AHJs may require you to have more than one Right, more than one right, more than one. And again, that's where you're going to find the outside plant cabling, the service provider cable, the customer-owned outside plant coming into the room, your lightning protection, your cable, your main switch gear, your main phone systems, your main servers for the network. Okay, and so it's got to be environmentally controlled and, like I said, everyone's got to have at least one and some of them may need to require more. Now some other things you need to know about it is it's got to be adequate size for future service they always give room to grow and it's got to be located in a non-sterile area. Non-sterile area that way people can go in and work on it without having to go through sterilizations in the process. Shutsky's in the house? Hello Shutsky, it's got to be getting late for you over there in Poland, my friend. Yes, so that's the telecom equipment room, so let's get on with the questions Now.

Speaker 1: 10:00

This question came to me. I wrote the guy's name down. Right, I wrote the guy's name down, but I didn't write down what platform, what platform he came from. This question from Dwight758. And he says to me good morning sir. I love when people say good morning sir. Good morning sir.

Speaker 1: 10:23

As a second year apprentice studying for my technician certification and goals of getting my RCDdd and getting my rtpm, are there any degrees, certifications or trainings I should be looking into to help me give me a leg up? Love you videos, thank you. So, first off, kudos to you, brother. Kudos to you because you're already thinking about it as a career, right? There's so many people in our industry that treat low voltage as a job and they get off at five o'clock and you know they just go home and I don't know. They do whatever people do who don't have careers, and then they wonder why they can't just get that pay, raise or get that next position. Because you're treating it as a job, treat it as a career, invest in it, all right. So here's some tips for you, dwight.

Speaker 1: 11:18

Okay, so, first off, consider going for the Bixie Installer 2, the copper and the side that's going to build some good solid field foundation knowledge for you, which is going to be a good solid foundation for, eventually, your CDD and got to be safe. Looking at your OSHA 30 class, because we all know that safety is number one. If you're not safe, it doesn't matter how much you want to learn. If you've paralyzed or you did, it ain't going to do you any good. And here's a piece of advice that I don't give out too often Maybe consider looking at some network certification.

Speaker 1: 11:56

Now, there are some people out there far better who can wax poetic about these certifications for servers and switches and stuff like that. Like, look up Ed the Old Tech Guy or the Beard of Knowledge or Packet Tracer. They can all talk about that, but get your CCNA or your Network Plus, because it's one thing to do cabling, but it's another thing to know because it's going to give you a solid foundation of how network fundamentals work. Maybe also consider looking at the FOA, the Fiber Optic Association. They got lots of free training out there. I say it all the time Go to fiberuorg. Lots of free fiber optic training Now a lot of those are going to cost money. Maybe maybe start studying the TDMM now, the Telecommunications Distribution Methods Manual now. Don't wait until you put in your application because you know a lot of the stuff that's in the TDMM is also in the ITSEM manual, the Information Transport Systems Installations Methods Manual, and that's going to help you with your installer certification, your technician certification. It's going to upset that solid foundation. Also, keep an eye out for free webinars, wise components.

Speaker 1: 13:18

You guys are on a roll this year with all your events that you've been doing and it's a shame you're so far away from me. Matter of fact, when I was in Maryland over the last two weeks I saw you guys did one. I seriously considered driving up there, but I was there to take care of mom, so I didn't. So there you go. So events, webinars watch out for Bixie, local events, stuff like that Go to, if you have the ability, go to conferences like Nika or Bixie Beyond or one of those other ones.

Speaker 1: 13:51

Then you don't want to become a one-trick pony. Don't just do structured cabling. Maybe consider doing cross-training, looking at how to do security or AV or PoE power over Ethernet, because convergence is where this industry is heading. I remember 20 years ago the theme for one of the Bixby conferences was convergence, because how we're converging voice and data together? Well, now we're converging AV and security and PoE. This industry is always converging stuff. The always funny way is putting new stuff on the network and that network needs cable Cat 5E, cat 6, cat 6A.

Speaker 1: 14:40

Also, stay active on LinkedIn and follow the industry pros. You can look me up, you can friend request me on LinkedIn. I do answer questions on LinkedIn. Just keep in mind that I might be working or traveling or teaching so it might take me a day or so to respond back to them. But I do answer them. But I'm not the only one out there. There's a lot of great resources out there on LinkedIn. Look them up, alrighty.

Speaker 1: 15:01

So the next question. This comes from Kieran. This is actually a comment. Oliver Warby says, as someone who loves cabling, this is actually a comment. So Oliver Warby says, as someone who loves cabling, I love putting together access control systems as well. Yeah, exactly, it's something different and it's. You know, I never got into access control but I've always admired it from a distance. So anyway, this question comes from Kieran and the question says give me some backstory here. So I did a TikTok video on network cable. It can go up to 100 meters or 328 feet, and then there were some comments on there and then this guy posted something that I want to make sure that I give some clarification to it, and this is Kieran and he was talking to Davis Walton One and I'm pretty sure this was TikTok. He says it does not.

Speaker 1: 15:55

But almost no one, unless you're running a LAN data center, needs 400 gigabit per second cabling. I agree with that. The major concern for Ethernet is collision at greater than 100 meters. Other than that, length isn't a factor. Oh, how wrong you are, karen. How wrong you are. Again, I do agree. I'm sorry if you hear my dog barking.

Speaker 1: 16:20

I do agree that almost because we were talking about home networking. Yeah, 40 gig, you know you might. Unless you have a 40 gig server in your house, you're not getting 40 gig and you're certainly not getting 40 gig server in your house. You're not getting 40 gig and you're certainly not getting 40 gig to the internet because they're not running 40 gig. And by the way, if you're on TikTok, make sure you hit the like button. Let's get me some likes in here, man Trying to get my numbers up. So tap that hard button, give me some numbers. So yeah, you're right. And so in houses and home stuff, they don't need 40 gig networks. They truly, truly don't. But but future proofing, future proofing.

Speaker 1: 16:59

Now a lot of people tell you well, chuck, 5e is all you need for residential cabling In today's environment. That's true, 5e is all you need. But the minimum you should really be putting in for residential is Cat6. The minimum you should be putting in for residential cabling is Cat6. And if you're doing Cat6, why not do Cat6A? The only difference is the cost of the cable and the cost of the connectors. And that way your future proves for well beyond, before you move out of that house, house, before you ever find the end of the bandwidth.

Speaker 1: 17:33

Now to specifically talk to their comment Ethernet collision is a major concern beyond 100 meters. That's an outdated comment. Ethernet switches used to today's Ethernet switches. They eliminate collisions by doing full duplex switching, so that 100 meter limit is due to signal attenuation and the performance limits that are defined in the 568 standards, not the CSMA CD collision stuff. This is the ANSI 568 standards. So again, signal loss attenuation and then also crosstalk.

Speaker 1: 18:15

All right, shetsky, thank you for stopping by. My friend, thanks for stopping by. So that's why, again, if you follow the 100-meter rule that's set up by Big C and by Big C, by ANSI and then also the Big C documents as well, that's the absolute match you can go for using. Now you said that it's not a distance. Yes it is, because technically you can do 10 gig over Cat6 cable but you can't go past 50 meters or 60 meters with it Because Cat6 can only do 1 gig out to that full 295. So the ANSI standards are written so if you follow it for Cat6, you can do 1 gig all the way out to 295 feet or 100 meters, if you're talking about the channel. So that's why length does matter. The Ethernet cable is engineered to run the maximum performance within the specs and exceeding the length is going to force lower speeds. So you might have a 10 gig network, but if you're going to be on 100 meters, it's going to downgrade it. It's going to run slower speeds.

Speaker 2: 19:19

So there you go.

Speaker 1: 19:20

Next question and this comes from it was a comment on one of the videos that we did on how to have having your own low-voltage business, having your own low-voltage business. And I was talking to Pierce and Ryan and Better Days Jeff Days from Better Days Technologies and we were talking about, you know, the customers trying to get a lower price by dingling that carrot in front of you. Justin's got his own Louisville Beach business. Justino, go back and watch those two episodes that I just did. Okay, how to do a little of these business. And I got another one coming up on how to come up with the hourly rate, how to price a cable and how do you know if you're making money. That one's coming up probably about three or four weeks, as I still got recorded Right. So this question came from NDA Bear Hussein dash D one I. There you go. Not all money is good. Bearhussein-d1i. There you go. Not all money is good money. Yeah, so again, like I said, we were talking about how customers like to dangle that carrot in front of you to try to get your price a little bit cheaper on a job that you're currently working right. So he says how do you find a balance between twisting your gut and giving a new client a fair chance. And that's a great question. Number one trust your gut. Trust your gut. There's certain people. When I meet them, I just automatically click with them. There's other people I can't put my finger on them. There's something off with that person. Trust your gut. If something doesn't feel right, start asking questions. Clients who dodge clarity are the ones who are going to create kiosks later and they're probably not going to, probably don't have a project. They're probably just saying that. If they saying well, look, if you give me, if you lower the price on this job, then how about? I'll give you, I'll give you opportunity to do this, this other job and we're going to do later on in the year. Okay, ask them for the written scope. Ask them when are they going to make the decision on that project and confirm those phases before offering any kind of discounts.

Speaker 1: 21:28

I'm not a big fan of giving discounts period. Let's get that straight right now. If the customer wants you to sharpen a pencil, I'm going to come back and say, okay, you want the price to be cheaper. What can we change about this design? Instead of maybe using Cat6 8 cable, can we use Cat6?. What can I do to make this price cheaper? Because the price is the price. The price is the price. It's coming up, cole, it's coming up.

Speaker 1: 21:50

My friend Cole shot me a message today about CET networking. I got a good response from you, my friend, good response. Don't give discounts on future promises, or, you know, or more volume Again, like if dangling that carry. That's one of the oldest tricks in the book. Just don't look. This is our, this is our, our standard pricing right now.

Speaker 1: 22:11

And if you start getting history with me, you start. You know, I would certainly give somebody a price break if they were my customer for 10 years. Right, I would certainly do that, but I would not do it, you know, on the oh well, if you give me a break on this one, I'll give it to you on the next project. No, no, as my dad always say, there's two people I trust in this world and you're neither one of them. It's a fact. It's a fact, it's a fact. And do you know how to tell? This is the easiest way to tell how a customer is lying. Okay, the easiest way on how to tell a customer is lying, their lip is moving. Yeah, that's how you can tell. Don't get me wrong. There are great customers out there, but there's also a lot of balance. Here's the problem. If you don't set those clear boundaries, those minimums right out of the gate, what makes you think that, if they do, if the carrot was actually a real job and you win that job, what makes you think they're not going to ask you to drop the price on that job, right? So again, the price is the price, but make sure whatever project you give them, you have good, solid terms and conditions. I should do a show on that how to come up with terms and conditions to protect yourself. Ooh, I'm going to write that down. Where's my fan? Somebody? Shoot me a text, dm me, dm me a message. Chuck, do the show on terms and conditions, because I will forget it All, right? So yeah, there you go. So again, you really want to build that relationship with them. You really do. And I'm sorry, ding-a-ling the carrot, that's not it.

Speaker 1: 23:51

Next question comes from the same guy, mdabirhusain-d1-i, and he says how do you think about keeping? How do you think we can keep building adaptability in the ICT when the tech evolves fast? Now this question came from. I had UCL Swift on. You might know UCL Swift. I had their general manager on and we were talking about adaptability because they bought a new company. We talked about that process and thinking outside the box and stuff like that. So that's where this question came from. So how can you build adaptability in a rapidly evolving ICT environment?

Speaker 1: 24:32

Now, this is not going to be for your companies. This is going to be for the individual Number one. Build that mindset, not a skillset. Okay, we're good at getting technical training on learning how to install terminate tests, fiber optic cabling and copper cabling, but again, you got to evolve that mindset right.

Speaker 1: 24:52

You got to ask yourself okay, what, if or why should I change? You should ask yourself, even when everything's going right, if you don't ask yourself what, if or why change, if you keep doing what you're doing, you're always going to get what you got. You're not going to grow. You're not going to expand your skill sets. You're not going to expand your mindset if you don't constantly challenge the way that you think, don't fall trap to them Well, that's the way that you think right. And don't fall trapped in. Well, you know, that's the way it's always been done. That's the way it's always been done. No, that's not a good reason.

Speaker 1: 25:27

So what you want to do is you want to create a learning rhythm, learning rhythm. So get in a routine. Because I'll tell you this when I got out of high school, I went to work for a low-volume company and I worked there for 20-something years before I went back to college to get my degree. That first year was hard for me because I had to get back into learning mode because I'd been out of school for 20 years. So keep yourself in that routine. Here's my challenge to you, to everybody on TikTok and everybody on my feeds. Here's my challenge to you. It's everybody on TikTok and everybody on my feeds. Here's my challenge to you Watch one webinar a month.

Speaker 1: 26:04

One webinar a month. Cable Installation Management Magazine has lots of great ones for us, but if you go to Bright Talk, there's other ones there. Linkedin has webinars as well. Look, you know there's lots of great web sources. Watch at least one a month to keep your brain in that learning mode. Okay, you know.

Speaker 1: 26:24

Also, again, we talk about credentials. I talk about credentials quite a bit the RCDD, the Bixie Tech, all that stuff. Don't forget those micro credentials, micro credentials and Bixie's starting to do this now with their outside plant stuff, and I'll have more on that later, once I get them to come on the show to talk about it. Right, but for example, like getting a fiber optic certification, getting a certification on wireless, a certification on on putting in access control, get those micro certifications. Find out ways that you can make yourself learn faster.

Speaker 1: 26:56

Everybody's different learning. That's why the question I dread the most from people on TikTok and all the other places I go to is Chuck, how do I get my RCDD? Give me some tips. Everybody learns differently. Everybody learns differently. Now I can wax poetic on some ways that you should consider doing it, but it may not resonate with you. The way that I learn may not be the way that you should consider doing it right, but you know it may not resonate with you. The way that I learn may not be the way that you learn right. And if you don't, if you don't engage in yourself again, like I said, at least once a month of learning, you're not going to know what your learning style is right, not going to learn what your learning style is.

Speaker 1: 27:34

Be willing to experiment as well and don't be afraid to make mistakes. We all make mistakes. I'll say that again for the people in the back. We all make mistakes. Don't be afraid of them. Learn from them. Learn from them. You know, for example, certifiers, certifiers it seems like there's always a new one coming out. There's always new processes for it. Acronyms oh my gosh, acronyms. You know when people say the MDF, the IDF, those are old acronyms, we don't use them anymore. It's now the telecom room, the telecom enclosure, right, tr, te, stuff like that. So, but I won't correct you because if that's how you communicate, that's how you communicate.

Speaker 1: 28:19

Okay, this question comes from Cole, who's in the TikTok feed, and Cole just posted this tonight. He says do you recommend CET networking, cet networking. So, cole, if you're still in the channel, tell me which certification are you trying to get, because I forgot to ask you that in the feed on TikTok. So if you're still in the channel, cole, which certification are you getting? The RCDD? Very good, good one to get. So let me start off first with, for those of you who may not know, rcdd, registered Communications Distribution Designer. That is considered the premier credential in the ICT industry. If you get that credential you can make more money, you can get more opportunities right and lots of stuff. So a lot of people are always hungry on what's the best way to get this. So CET Networking is one avenue of doing it. There's many other avenues, but tonight I'm going to focus on CET.

Speaker 1: 29:15

So CET is an organization that's based in it must be 630, in Tennessee, and they've been an active BICC recognized training provider since 1981. So they've been around for a while Now. Remember Bixie. Recognized training provider doesn't mean that Bixie endorses you. It just means you've submitted your material, they've looked at it, their subject matter experts have looked at it and they said, yes, there's nothing here that's out in left field. They just recognize it. They don't endorse it.

Speaker 1: 29:51

So CET Networking offers classes for the RCDD, the Registered Communication Distribution Designer, dcdc, data Center Designing Consultant, osp and other ones as well too. They have virtual and in-person options. They have study workbooks, flashcards, they have post-class support. It's a good support. Matter of fact, I'm not sure I have to go. I didn't research this, but I use a company called NetCBT. When I got my certification, my credential NetCBT, and I think that CET bought them out, but I'm not 100% positive on it.

Speaker 1: 30:28

So let's talk about their courses and their structure right. So their study materials they got 3,500 practice questions and those practice questions are aligned with the TDMM. They have pre-class worksheets to help identify what areas you might be working at. And now the class format you know they got two to three day interactive classes, the review sessions, they got coaching and even if you don't try to get your RCD, they have 33 continuing education credits. So it's a good way to get your CECs, because once you get your credential you have to keep it maintained, right?

Speaker 1: 31:01

So what's the pricing? Their RCD course is about 900 bucks. I think a thousand bucks, cole, I think it was 976 when I looked at it last. Let me know if it's still about that, about that price range. Um, so it's gotta be expensive. But then again, knowledge is Now.

Speaker 1: 31:17

Here's the thing. Cause Cole specifically asked me what did I think about? Uh, or could? Did I recommend CET networking? So I never used CET networking, so I can't really say, oof, you're about to drop $1,700. Wow, that's through them, through CET. Okay, so you're doing two classes. That's why there he goes, there you go.

Speaker 1: 31:42

So I never took, I never used their classes, but I do know some people who have gone through their classes and I also did some research too on this as well. So there was somebody on Reddit that said that they previously took their CET networking in person class for the RCD prep and they found it to be extremely helpful and they passed this RCD after that. So there's lots of great feedback there. I haven't seen any negative feedback, so would I say it's a good resource. Probably it's probably a good resource, but I can't specifically say I took that class and I can't say that I would recommend them, because I've never taken their class. I've taken Bixby classes, I've taken NetCBT classes, I've taken other classes, but based on what I've seen, I think you'll get your money's worth. I really do think you'll get your money's worth. So who should really consider using CET? It's perfect for apprentices, good for technicians and especially people like Cole going for their RCDD and, by the way, cole, I do an RCDD study group. Just saying, just saying. So there you go. How would the Bixie Applied Building class do after I get my RCD for actually doing the work? It's a great class. The people who they have teach that are very, very knowledgeable and very experienced. I would definitely recommend that, definitely recommend that, because it's going to help you bring the rubber to the road After you get that stuff.

Speaker 1: 33:11

All right, it is six, 33. I got the hiccups now Six, 33. Oh, I forgot to ask everybody hey, what are you drinking, what are you drinking? You don't always talk about that, right? So I'm? Tonight I'm just drinking that, right? So tonight I'm just drinking just water, just water. Tonight, there we go. I forgot to do that. I always do that every show. What are you drinking? And I forgot to do it? There you go, alright, everybody. So remember, wednesday night 6 pm, live with your favorite RCD. If you have any other questions, send them to me over the next week. I'll compile them for next week's show. Make sure you check out next Monday's podcast. Lots of cool stuff coming out. Wire for Eklund's in the house. We'll lose their subscription benefits soon. I totally missed that. What are you talking about there, mr Worcester? Wired for Eklund's. Oh, by the way, I did get your message, but I do got to go because I got to prep for the RSD study group tonight. It's starting up in 20 minutes. So until next time.

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