Intuition Isn’t Enough - Refining the Inner Voice - Inna Segal : 173

We explore how trauma, ancestry, and attention shape the body’s signals, and how clear daily practices can turn symptoms into guidance. Ina shares how refining intuition, setting boundaries, and choosing exact words can shift healing from generic advice to personal change.
Inna Segal is a pioneer in the field of energy medicine and human consciousness, and the bestselling author of The Secret Language of Your Body, translated into 26 languages
• family trauma shaping early digestive issues and psoriasis
• learning to listen through breath, movement and touch
• awakening intuition and the need to refine it
• ethics, boundaries and energy management for sensitives
• why words and translation change outcomes
• the etheric body and early warning signs before tests
• genetics as predisposition rather than destiny
• lifelong learning, soul pace and navigating narcissism
• stages of healing and honouring timing
• resources, books and a free masterclass

If you want to learn and actually explain some of the processes, I have a lot of free masterclasses, and you can go to innasegal.com forward slash secret

Chapters

• 0:48 Ina’s Lineage And Early Family Trauma
• 4:55 Childhood Symptoms And Not Fitting In
• 7:52 Loss, Rock Bottom, And Self-Healing
• 10:44 Awakening Intuition And First Readings
• 15:26 Talent, Past Lives, And Refining Skill
• 18:17 Training The Heart And Avoiding Burnout
• 21:28 Individual Pathways And Long-Term Practice
• 26:22 Boundaries, Teaching, And Language Precision
• 31:22 Energy Hygiene And Personal Limits
• 34:54 Accuracy, Tests, And The Etheric Body
• 40:32 Genetics, Triggers, And Choice
• 45:24 Souls, Subtle Bodies, And Development
• 51:05 Learning As A Lifelong Journey
• 56:22 New Book: Stages Of Healing
• 1:00:30 Hands, Sensing, And Reading The Soul
• 1:03:02 Closing Reflections And Free Resources

Transcript

DanielaSm: 0:00

Hi, I'm Daniela. Let's talk about how trauma, ancestry, intuition, and the subtle language of the body guide our feeling and how redefining our attention, our boundaries, and even our words can transform the way we feel.

Inna Segal : 0:17

I needed to actually work on refining this heart center in order to become much more objective and be able to really see things clearly. It is to get out of being generalized about everything and become very, very specific in your healing journey. The most important part is you connecting to your own body. Because no matter how good I am at tuning in, I will never know you like you know yourself.

DanielaSm: 0:48

My guest is Ina Segar. She is a pioneer in the field of energy medicine and human consciousness. And the best-selling author of The Secret Language of Your Body, plus other three more books. Which I had the pleasure of reading two, and I found them incredibly detailed and truly helpful. So let's enjoy her story. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for being here, Ina. Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited. I know, I'm even more excited now that got to read your book a little bit, not completely, but I was focusing on some areas that I wanted to work. I know you have a story, and tell me why you want to share your story.

Inna Segal : 1:26

And I've been thinking about this, even though I've shared it a million times. But I was reflecting on this from the perspective, not just of sharing my own story, but of the fact that why I want to share things is to give hope and inspiration to other people. The biggest hope and inspiration is that they can actually connect to the wisdom of their own body and they can start to understand what their body, their soul, their inner self is saying to them, and through that become let's call it intuitive because you become in tune with yourself, you know, and that's what really excites me.

DanielaSm: 2:08

It is beautiful, and it's true. I realize after listening to one recording that I had before, and now that we've met before, you know, we always like trying to meditate and to connect to the universe, but the truth is that we have to connect with ourselves first, and it's not easy. I thought it would be really easy, but it's not. So I'm glad you're here to show us a little bit on how that happened to you. And so I guess my next question is when does your story start?

Inna Segal : 2:34

Well, I kind of feel like my story really starts when I was pretty young and it connects to to my family as it often does. Because how do we become who we are? Is the question, right? And often we become who we are based on a family, a tribe, who we were around. I was brought up living, you know, with my parents and grandparents. My grandparents had a you know pretty courageous, incredible stories, but they were very traumatic stories. My grandmother grew up with a mother who was clairvoyant and who could see the future to a point where the whole village, so they lived in a tiny village, would come and bring food to their house so that you know that's how people traded, I guess, in those times, so she could give them an insight about what would happen. And so did my grandfather. His mother did the same, but apparently, my grandmother's mother was much more accurate from the story. Essentially, my great-grandmother from my you know, grandmother's mother, essentially she she saw the war coming and she told my grandmother. I assume my grandmother was around 12 years old, the war's coming, and I've looked into the future, and you're the only one out of all the children who's gonna survive. You know, she was pregnant with her eighth child. Your father will survive the war, but nobody else will. And my grandmother had to hold that, you know, at 12, and then she had to essentially her mother saved her, but was shot saving her. And my grandmother had to carry the guilt of this, you know, of her mother and everybody, you know, all her brothers and sisters dying, and her being the only one who survives, you know, the trauma of just surviving and and using her intuition, and then not being able to talk about this for 50 years, kind of really suppressing this. And through suppressing this, I feel like not just me, but everybody in the family has had issues, and they're either the issues around their teeth, it's like holding back, you know, almost grinding your teeth, like not being able to express, or the issues are with their digestive system, or both. And that's where I started. Not so much maybe with my teeth originally, but more with just having bloating, you know, having not being able to go to the toilet, having pain, and having this digestive system where food, like sugary food, I couldn't digest without being sick, which is probably a good thing in some way, you know, for your health. But it wasn't a fun thing, you know, growing up. And so from there I had developed psoriasis, and this is also runs in my family. So my dad has it, his sister has it everywhere, all over her body, my grandfather, and that showed up for me when I was around you know 10 when I came to Australia and I didn't know one word of English, and I just felt like I couldn't fit in. I not only not fitting in, I felt like I was I was scared to go to school. I I was abused being from Eastern Europe, it was the wrong place to be from. And prior to that, I'd spent nine months in Italy, and I was loved in Italy, and I found it very easy to learn the language at the time, and so it it kind of went from feeling fully accepted and loved to completely rejected and not knowing how to deal with that, and so it showed up all over my skin, which then led to me going to high school several years later, and going to high school where obviously I could speak English more, but I was still from Eastern Europe, and this particular high school had people who are who came from extremely wealthy families, whereas I came from what would be seen as poverty, and the divide was in you know crazy, and so to them, it was like, how dare you infiltrate our school? And so we're not gonna just treat you badly because you're from Eastern Europe. You are, you know, you're coming into our onto our turf, and we only want to be surrounded by wealthy people, and so we we're going to attack you and not just me, anybody who who came from there, and we're gonna separate you and we're going to tell you to go back to your country to what people say when you know they don't know what else to say to you. And so I started self-protecting, and so did all my friends. I started having problems with my spine and just feeling constantly like I had to walk around in this, you know, with my shoulders up in this self-protection mode. And eventually that you know that issue became bigger and bigger, and then I had again, you know, I can see this as a really big ancestral experience. I got pregnant when I was really young, and I lost this child, you know, at eight and a half months pregnant, at you know, giving birth, where I'd gone through the whole experience, and I was 20 at the time, and I just could not comprehend that I'd just turned 20, you know, that this was even a possibility for somebody in Australia. I thought it happened in you know third world countries, and so I really kind of took this thing on that there's something really, really wrong with me. And then I was just jumping from one practitioner to another. Me showing up with that, like you're the expert, you do the work, I I'm done connecting my body, I don't know anything about it. Getting to a place where no one could help me, and I actually had to make a decision to help myself, and that came through me starting to connect to my body and going, show me what is really going on. The stories that I've just told you, just you know, it kept coming up with more and more detail over time. When I first connected to it, there was this huge shift, huge, huge shift where my body, as I connected and recognized, my body went, Oh my god, you're you're you are in a communication, which is that secret language of your body. You're actually communicating with me, you're connecting, you want to know why I'm holding on to this.

DanielaSm: 9:28

You were able to connect that way and so quickly because background, you know, your great-grandmother who was uh uh psychic and was able to have those powers because I feel like it's much harder. Like I've been trying asking the questions, like in your book says, if it's because you were already coming with this background or something else.

Inna Segal : 9:49

No, because at that point I didn't really know that. That revelation came later, and nobody talked about it. I didn't know. I was doing a lot of acting work, like acting classes, and when you do that, you start to sensitize, you have to. So I thought I want to be an actress. What I also say to people is it's it's not just asking questions often, it's how to sensitize the body through and ideally through movement. So you stand up and you shake your body and you move it, and then you place your hands on your body and you ask questions. But for me, deciding that I wanted to act and I wanted to write, I thought that I was gonna write plays, which I did write one play. I was gonna write plays and I was gonna write film, and I was constantly, you know, sensitizing as a you know, because I was going to several acting classes, and I thought, and you have to, you know, like you have to be connected to your body. And we did a lot of visualization and we did a lot of breathing techniques because you know that's how you actually essentially get to the body, and so I was used to that to a degree. That's where it kind of came to me. I'm going to place my hands on my body, I'm gonna breathe. Instead of resisting, I'd always resist and not breathe deeply because I was scared to breathe. If you breathe too deeply, you might discover that your your body becomes even more painful. And so I was like, no, no, no. I just not to say that I was doing it consciously, I just try not to breathe, I just tried to hold the tension. And in this connection to the body, I was really allowing myself to breathe, and it's like giving myself permission to know, to discover why I had all this, which you know started to come to me. And yes, maybe that there's definitely an aspect from my great-grandmother that it was so easy to see things, and that my own ability, not just to see into my own body, which is what happened, I started to see my back and my spine and what was going on, but also memories, you know, of different things that happened, and not always just memories, realizations, but at the same time, it was like, you know, I could see into other people's bodies, and that's not something that I expected to happen at all. And this was in June 20th, right? Yeah, wow, interesting. Yeah, I'd never seen anything before that in that way. I could lie there in bed and see symbols. I could go, give me a symbol of the heart if something good's gonna happen. So I'd play little games like that, but I also thought that everybody did. Um, I remember asking very, very occasionally, very, very occasionally, like, give me knowing that my grandparents are gonna come to Australia, and then seeing this little heart and going, Oh, okay, I I I have a feeling that they're gonna come to Australia. That type of thing, occasionally, you know, never consciously.

DanielaSm: 13:02

What is the reason why some people have this power? You know, some people are talented to play the piano and some other people have to work harder. Is that more or less what it is, or or how do you think that that happens?

Inna Segal : 13:13

Well, I do think it's that it's like, I mean, we we have to expand out to talk about that, and we have to open the possibility, let's call it the possibility for people to go that we have more than one life, and that if I come here and I'm already talented, it like you said, you know, where do I get this from? And maybe I've had other existences or other lifetimes where I've developed this meets my ancestry, meets my family. It is still often a possibility that I need to have someone in my family. Let's say if I'm playing the piano, there's somebody who who's good at hearing music or good at understanding music, they give me that ability through genetics, through my, you know, through my genes, that because like I don't have the capacity to sing or hear music naturally. So again, maybe if I learnt it, I would never be amazing because I didn't I didn't have that talent. But why don't I have that talent? Or maybe because my soul didn't come with that in this life in particular, but it came with a talent for accessing my intuition for me, you know, reasonably young age was pretty easy, I should say. But also, I want to give a you know uh a little warning around that it was easy, but I believe just like if you're born with an ability to play the piano, some you still need a teacher, you still need somebody to guide you. It's the same with intuition, it might be something that is old that I've brought in that that feels so natural to me, but without refining that and actually consciously working on it, it can lead to problems. And one of the things that I realized when I was, I don't know, early 30s, all the people that I knew who had this capacity, and I'd met quite a few by that stage, between 10 to 15 years of discovering it without doing anything and just using it, started getting health issues. And it could be from headaches to immune system dysfunction to emotional issues to all sorts of neurological issues. And I went, oh my god, why is this happening? And I'm this person who asks a lot of questions, right? I'm always like, I need to know everything, almost scientifically, like I need every detail to understand something. I study a lot, like constantly. At that point, met a teacher and she was actually a German lady, and she kind of went, you know, you generalize everything, you're about to crash. Like, you need to understand details, and you need to start refining and doing exercises so that your intuition can literally be kind of renewed into in this reality as opposed to something that you're using up. And I was so grateful that it occurred to me before I had my big crash because I knew I was coming to it, I spent about five years doing, I would say mostly daily, because there were days where I didn't, but majority of the time daily exercises around refining my intuition and my heart. And so I realized that even though a lot of my personal intuition comes through visual, I'm very visual as a person, visual first and gut feeling second, or emotions, being aware of it. Uh, and then thirdly, kind of you know, the auditory, I needed to actually work on refining the heart and that this heart center in order to become much more objective and be able to really see things clearly because that's my first gift. Doing that was really powerful, and the only reason, to be fair, that I stopped was because I ended up separating with my ex-husband and we were doing these exercises together. What I found was that he was this narcissist, and you know, and there was a lot of trauma around figuring that one out because I didn't know what narcissism was before we separated. From there, I realized I couldn't keep doing certain exercises because we did them so much together, it would just bring trauma up for me. So I had to have separation from them. I really feel like people do need to, even if they have an intuitive ability like me, they often don't realize that they need to kind of transform it and refine it like you would if you had an ability to sing or an ability to act that's natural, or an ability to play the piano or any instrument. You still need teachers. That's a great explanation.

DanielaSm: 18:30

Thank you very much. You you were having these issues with your stomach and and all these things that happened to you. I guess also it's because when you were having these situations, that's the way you handle it, right? And so for you, was expressing it on your skin and your body. But for example, somebody else could have had the same situation and nothing happens to that person.

Inna Segal : 18:52

Well, I think that something always happens, but it might show up way later, or it might show up in a completely different part of your body, and you're exactly right. Like my grandmother did not get digestive issues, which she also had, and she ended up getting leukemia, which I'm not interested in having in my life, in her 70s, so she so it still showed up, and once I learned enough, I knew it would show up. And for me, you remind me the back pain, which was you know, it was there for years, and the digestive issues and the psoriasis um and anxiety that I had, most of it either got better or disappeared pretty quickly from me discovering, you know, this is how my body's speaking. Although I have to say, the thing that was most ancestral and earliest issue was the digestive issue, and that is something that I always have to be aware of. So whilst I can pretty much eat anything now, I'm very aware of what I put into my mouth. So sometimes, like my partner and I we go on holidays, and he's like, come on, just you know, live it up a little, eat whatever you want on holidays, like, and I'll be like, nah, no, I, you know, I pretty much stick with what I consider as healthy eating as possible wherever we go. It taught me how to be much more cautious, and also that this is an area where I hold stress because that's an area where all my family members hold stress.

DanielaSm: 20:35

So you started to be in tune with your body and you heal most of most of your issues, and then what happened?

Inna Segal : 20:40

I realized by almost an accident that I could see into people's bodies. It's it happened because I was actually studying, you know, like I said, it to be an actress, and I also wanted to, I was going to to study to be a writer, and I was doing a project for my classes. My ex-partner had a friend over, you know, I realized she was an amazing writer as well. And I said to her, Would you mind just reading my work? And so we're just sitting and I'm, you know, reading it to her and typing away. And then I turned and looked at her at one point and I saw an image of her liver, which looked like a cartoon to me, because I actually had no connection to the body or understanding of it at that point. Started blinking as I was looking at her, and she said, Do you have something in your eye? And I said, No, but I can I ask you a really weird question. And she said, Yeah, sure. And so I said, Do you have liver problems? And she said, Yeah, I've had them my whole life. How do you know? And I didn't actually know how to answer that, except that the image changed above her head. I saw an image of her grandfather, and her grandfather was actually in a concentration camp, and I had a really strong feeling that he'd had he had liver problems and digestive problems. So I asked her this, and she said, Yes, oh my god. And then I said to her, Do you get nightmares? And she said, Yeah, I do constantly. And then I said something which I thought to myself, oh my god, I could be so wrong. I literally don't know what I'm talking about. And I said, I feel like your issue is literally in your DNA, like it's coming from there. And then I told her all this stuff about her family that she didn't know. So she was 25 at the time, I was 21. And she said to me, I don't know this stuff, I'm gonna have to call my mum. And so she called her mum, and her mum said, Yep, every little thing Ina said is true. And we both sat there looking at each other, and she went, I just feel like I've learned more in the last half an hour than my last 25 years. Thank you. And I don't I I didn't know who was more shocked, I'm pretty sure it was me. And two years later, she had this all this test done, and they went, This is a DNA issue because she had pretty strong physical problems in her body. And then I went, Oh my god, this is crazy. I think I told my mum, and my mum is very open-minded, so she's not skeptical at all, she loves anything that's different, and she went, Great, you know, your dad hurt his leg at work. Why don't you do some healing on him? And I was like, I don't know how to do healing yet on other people, and she's like, So just try, do something. And so I was concentrating on his leg because you know, she said, Oh, he can't go to work, you know, it's really bad. And as I was doing this, I kept seeing boats, just images of boats. So I called her back and I said, So was it at work or was it on a boat? Because I feel like I'm going crazy. And she's like, No, he hasn't been on a boat. Sorry, uh, you're wrong. It's you know, it was at work, concentrate better. And then my dad called me and I said to him, and he's like, What are you doing? And I said to him, Well, I don't know, I just feel like I have this kind of an ability that's showing up, and I'm trying to explore it. Just tell me for my own, you know, like sanity, was it on a boat? And he said, It was, but I didn't want you to tell your mom. And I was like, Oh my god, really? That's amazing. And he was like, Okay, please don't don't. I I don't I need you not to be saying those things. And I was like, why don't you just tell the truth? Well, I actually started seeing things from people. I'd go into yoga class and I would be bombarded, I'd cross the road because I had no idea how to have boundaries around it, how to control it at the beginning. And it was it was crazy where I would end up calling people I just didn't know. Like I would see brochure. I remember I saw this brochure from this lady who was promoting a speaker. I did actually want to meet this speaker because I decided I was gonna start, you know, using my journalistic skills and interviewing these people and going to the courses. And this is you know what I started doing. And this particular lady, I looked at her picture and I was like, I know you've got cancer, and I know why. And I called her, and I I learned after this. I called her and I and and she didn't pick up the phone, so she had uh an answering machine, and I started because I was so young, I just had no clue. I started blabbering to her and saying, Look, I you know have this ability, and I tuned into, picked her, and blah blah blah. And she then picked up the phone. Oh my god, I would never do this now, but I had no clue. Yeah, again, like everything I told her, she was like, Oh my god, you know, can you do healing on me and so on? And so kind of I did get slapped a few times, and so I I figured out how to stop doing that and how to get how to learn to control it. I would tell people at my yoga class and they were like, I didn't ask you, I don't want to know this. Oh, yes, of course. Interesting, interesting. Yeah, I started doing workshops and classes and going to different, you know, places. Plus, I was an author, so I research, research, research, right? The challenge, the biggest challenge for me was that a lot of courses that I went to, people regurgitating or they'd learn from somebody, but they didn't actually have that ability to see what it was like what they were doing, how it was affecting people. And so I would see it and I would go, oh, this doesn't look good, or this process, I don't know, this is not, this doesn't, this is affecting a person not in a healthy way. And so I actually had to come back from some of these courses and sit with this. And uh and my first experience was I called this editor of a magazine and I said to her, Look, I have this ability to tune into people and do healing with them, and I just have a really strong intuition to offer it to you. And she said, Oh my god, well, actually, you called me today, and astrologically I've been told that I need healing. And she said, Why don't you come to the office and do healing on me and all the stuff, you know, everybody here, and there's like 20 people. I had learned some techniques, so I went, Okay, I'm gonna work this, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do these techniques with people. And as I was doing them, it was so obvious to me that I couldn't, like I had to make adjustments because my inner being was saying, like, I was feeling like throwing up. I was feeling that something was really wrong with just following what I was taught. So I had to go, okay, this is really scary, but I'm gonna have to actually the same way that I listen to my own body for myself, I'm gonna have to listen to their body, and I'm gonna have to follow and learn both through doing through learning from other people, but not just taking it as this is how things work. You know, each course I do might teach me something, but because these people cannot see, and I can, I'm gonna have to adjust stuff. I'm gonna have to really listen to my client's body, adjust to what I'm seeing, and this is kind of how I developed my own systems and my own ways just because I could see and I could see what worked and what didn't. I started traveling after years, like doing this for a few years and teaching, and one of the first places I went to where I didn't speak English was France. And so the person who was translating, as they were translating, I was watching people because I'm always watching and tuning in to see how things were affecting them. And at one point, the effect was not positive, like people were becoming sick, and they were saying, like, is this normal? Is this the way we should feel? And as I was watching it, I was like, Oh no, something's not right. And I said to the translator, read back to me how it was translated, and it was translated completely wrong to what I actually meant by somebody else, and I went, Oh my god, this is what it looks like, and it wasn't like everything was wrong. There were three words out of the process that were not the words that I meant, and those words, you know, when they were translated, were making people feel ill. And I went, Yeah, oh my god. And I and I just had to go, okay, now we're going to do this again, and we're going to please make sure you're saying the exact words that I'm speaking. And she did, and it was again like completely you know, the way that I'd seen it work in Australia, which is where I live. And in all the courses that I did. Because I remember thinking either French people are completely different, or something's wrong with this, with what she's saying and how she's translating. It means that words have a lot of power too. So much power because that they were perceiving things in a completely different way and doing the process in a different way. It was making them feel sick instead of making them better. You know, the energy behind them, the meaning, the perception was so, so important. And so then I learned how to be specific as well and how important it is to get out of being generalized about everything and become very, very specific in your healing journey and discover why exactly you're sick.

DanielaSm: 30:45

But Ina, everybody is different. Like everybody is unique, right? So it it is not possible that your type of healing can not even the doctor should be one way only. You were wise to know that it wasn't really a way that yeah, you've been taught this way, but you actually have to listen to everybody's body. The only thing is that I feel that that would have taken so much energy from you. How do you learn how to recharge? Because you must have been exhausting.

Inna Segal : 31:18

Yeah, exactly. That's the big question. I think you you learn how to balance and how to well, even with the processes, you learn how to work on bringing back vitality, you know, bringing back energy, as well as resting, obviously. You can't just do it without rest. But I want to just come back for if we can for a second to what you were saying. Exactly what you said is the truth, which is why I say to people, even in my book, you know, and and you have the American version and I have the Australian here, the secret language of your body. If people read right at the beginning, right, when I explain things, I say the most important part is you connecting to your own body. Because no matter how good I am at tuning in, I will never know you like you know yourself. I can't, right? I can only give you kind of ideas, and I can prompt you to go. You might need to start from exploring um an experience connected to your childhood, or um based on the issue you're dealing with, or it could be when you um when somebody, you know, you you had a relationship and somebody rejected and abandoned you, and this is where your lung issue or your heart issue is coming from. What I'm trying to teach people is actually how to start to really listen to their own body because you can be your best inner guide, you know, and you may still need help from others. Um, I may still at times go, I'm not sure. Can somebody give me an insight? Because we get stuck, you know, even though somebody can give you an insight or can guide you through a process or move you towards understanding yourself more, it's you who still has to discover the way that works for you. And what I've tried to do in the secret language of your body and in all the training that I do with people, all the workshops is to go some of you will connect to your body through movement because that is so natural for you, and your mind is too busy, and you actually need to move your body, and so I encourage everybody to move anyway, because when you move, when you shake your body, it wakes up your own internal energy, and you come back to your body a bit more, and someone like you were saying, you know, it for somebody may not be easy. I had two clients that I'm thinking of. One, he was maybe 47 at the time when he came to see me, and he was an accountant, so he was in his head, right? And I remember doing all this healing on him, and you know, I was doing a lot of you know, one-on-one and energy healing. He was on the table, and afterwards he said, Oh my god, it was great, it was amazing. I said, What did you feel? And he said, Nothing. And I said, What do you mean, nothing? And he said, You just look like you know what you're doing. It took, you know, I would say two years for him to let go of that self-protection. And the reason he had self-protection actually went back to childhood and his mother rejecting him, and it hurt so much that he put on this layer after layer after layer of protection, and he didn't want to be in a relationship. And I remember uh because he had a heart issue, I said to him, Okay, you've got to come to me and you've got to tell me why a relationship could be a positive thing for you. And he came and wrote 20 reasons why it wouldn't be positive for him, you know, and eventually by actually doing some work, you know, on his childhood and around his mother and how much he hurt him, he opened his heart and he started to feel things, and he ended up in a relationship with my other another student that I had, and they're still together 20 years later, and he was able to heal his heart condition, but it took two years, and he was 47 at the time, and then I had a 27-year-old client, and she had pain and and anxiety, literally, you know, she she had chronic fatigue at 27. And again, because of her own traumas, she was so numb. It also took her two years, but in a different way, and she worked with the nervous system process that I teach, and she worked with trauma release. And for two years, she was telling me she couldn't see anything, she couldn't visualize, she couldn't feel. But that was you know, doing it consistently, she just trusted it. After two years, she started to feel this massive difference, and her anxiety disappeared, but it wasn't instant, I want to say, to people, and her chronic fatigue disappeared, and I think she had some fibromyalgia and the pain disappeared, and she opened up this incredible ability to see into people's bodies, but again, it was not easy, and she's amazing now. She's actually a practitioner, so everyone's different.

DanielaSm: 36:59

Well, when you say two years, it's like two years every day, two years once a week, like every day.

Inna Segal : 37:04

She was practicing every day something from what she learned. I wouldn't say that the you know, the male that I talked about was, but he was coming probably every you know week to two weeks to see me and coming and doing a lot of workshops because there was a part of him that really, well, firstly, he wanted to improve his heart. He had a really bad heart condition, and which he did, but he he knew that he needed support at that time.

DanielaSm: 37:36

Wow. What you're saying is that consistency and discipline really for this kind of process, the same as eating healthy and trying to lose weight, getting, you know, going to the gym.

Inna Segal : 37:46

Yeah, you need to be doing, you need to be connecting, you need to be taking this as, you know, a lifestyle.

DanielaSm: 37:53

I like that as a lifestyle, just right. That's beautiful. You got that. Did you lose friends because you became different, or and so now suddenly people want to be with you because of the talent that you have, or what happened?

Inna Segal : 38:08

It was an interesting one. My friends from school, they were skeptical and they were a bit like very occasionally we would talk about it. I was just like a normal person to them, you know, and they were, I think, skeptical, but more like, hey, we knew you before, so let's just be, you know, like you're this crazy person that we love. Let's just not talk about this stuff because we, you know, we may not agree with that. I felt like eventually, because of this, because we couldn't talk about it, we did grow apart, except one, you know, who I can talk about anything to. Whether she agrees or disagrees, she's just open-minded. I had people who wanted to be my friend just because of what I could do. It was a little off-putting because what I found was that if I met them at the courses where I was teaching, they actually didn't relate to me like a normal person. You know, like I had this uh experience with this lady, she was an optometrist and she was 60. She wasn't feeling well one day, and she had an expectation, like you were saying, you know, I still am a person, I'm human. I need to, you know, if I'm teaching, I need to rest, I need to recover, I need to go for lunch and not have people ask me questions. And like many others just didn't see that that was something I needed, that I wasn't a computer, I wasn't, you know, robot. And so people would get upset with me because they kind of tried to befriend me. You know, they wanted to ask me questions when I went to the bathroom, they wanted to ask me questions, was having lunch and just not give me a break. And then I was like, no, I, you know, I cannot do that. I need friends that just make me laugh, you know, at lunchtime and let me relax. And like, I can't be like this all the time. And so people would definitely get upset. Sometimes they'd send me emails saying, you know, I'm so upset with you because you didn't answer my question. And it's like, well, I need a break.

DanielaSm: 40:08

Wow, it's it's it's amazing how how fascinating the humans are. Yeah. I appreciate you saying this. We people usually don't talk about it, right? But it's important that that that I that you're sharing as a human that you are, right? You have a talent, like it's saying like you were a pianist and everybody was like, Here, I have a piano in my house, you can go come and play.

Inna Segal : 40:28

Well well, it is, and I have to say it's it's like I never thought that I would love teaching online, which is what I do most of the time now, because I always thought, you know, life's amazing. And you know, life can be amazing, but for me, it's almost like unless I'm in a room that has a separate bathroom and a separate other room, people will follow me around, even if I say please, you know, like and the organizers say, Can we have, you know, just please respect that there's a break? Because online I can go, okay, I'm having a break, or enough questions, or you know, all right, everyone, we're gonna we're gonna go. And you don't want to be rude as well, and I want to help people, and so it's that balance where you go, I want to give, but I need to balance out because I also I'm human and you know I need to return.

DanielaSm: 41:20

It's like being a celebrity, I guess. That's that's what it is, right? In some way. When you're a celebrity, you what do they say you owe you owe to the public or to your fans or something like that? So that you don't have like wrong. Yeah. Have you made mistakes? Have you been wrong? I I am not today as I usually are.

Inna Segal : 41:39

Well, it's actually really interesting that you ask, because I'm open to the idea of being wrong, you know, because anyone can be at any time. And actually, because this is recent, my partner's father has recently passed. So he did radiation therapy, so his cancer markers went down a lot. But when I was tuning in and I was talking to my partner, I just kept saying to him, I really, really want to be wrong because the blood tests are saying one thing, but what I see is that he really doesn't have long, his body's deteriorating very, very rapidly. And I wish I'm hoping that I'm wrong about it because the test results are telling us the opposite. You know, his father sent me a message saying, I think I did the right thing, you know, the results are showing it, I'm really happy. And within weeks, he just went downhill. Essentially, within a month, he passed from these results showing, which would show that I was wrong. A person that I work with, and we were discussing it. I was like, well, maybe I'm just wrong about these some things, like maybe I'm off, but I'm seeing his soul, and he's not in the body, and he's telling me that he doesn't have much left, and maybe I'm making this up and visualizing it. In this case, I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong.

DanielaSm: 42:56

And I was but you were hoping, but you really didn't feel so.

Inna Segal : 43:01

You know, at times, in my experience, you know, the test results can say the opposite of what I'm seeing. Or I I work with somebody and they'll go, Well, I don't have a thyroid issue, and I'm like, Yeah, you do, but it's not showing up in the test because the test is not detailed enough. I'm telling you, you do. And then three months later, they're like, Oh, actually, the test is showing it now. What I'm looking at and tuning into is not the physical body. I'm actually tuning into something called the theric body, which is the copy of the physical. Let's just say most conditions. Most, because I don't want to say everything, but most conditions arise in the etheric body first, and it takes years to become physical. And what I'm seeing, and that's why I I will say to people at times, go into a test, because I I don't actually know how physical this issue is. You know, I don't know how much it's got into the physical body because I'm seeing it in the in the etheric body. And if it's not in the physical, it's way easier to heal and transform before it becomes it.

DanielaSm: 44:07

Once it is, it's you know, it it it is, it's solid, and now it takes a little confused because, for example, when you were talking about at the beginning with with how things can happen. Like I I got a rush in my face, which I always have a very nice face, and and I noticed that when you were talking at the beginning, I thought, oh yeah, I got the rush. When I was going back from my time, we were six months traveling, and when I had to come back, I got that rush. So that could mean I really didn't want to go, that I really needed to stay there, but I had to come. Because now the rush is here, it's getting bigger, and you know, we have to wait for the doctor whenever he's available. If you said that it happens way before, but if it happens in the third body, then it's not what I thought it would be that when I was leaving, it is it it would have happened many, many years ago.

Inna Segal : 44:56

It's holding there, it's developed there for the rush to appear as a way of telling you that your body is going, for whatever reason I am uncomfortable. Or it could be telling you there's something you need to face that you're not facing because it's on your face that is irritating you, that it is an irritation. For it to just appear, it needs to already be there in some way prepared to go, why is it appearing now? When people talk about genetics, essentially what they're saying is you have a predisposition to particular condition because your family members have. And if you do exactly the same as they did and you behave in the same way, and you think and feel in the same way, you are likely to have it, and I agree with that, you know. But if you change and you actually understand what do they do, you know, like that, and how could I live differently, then you open the door to a completely new possibility.

DanielaSm: 45:55

I got it, I got it. Yes, not easy, but uh, I will continue reading your book to mention your book because you you have written more than one. Yes, I have.

Inna Segal : 46:04

The secret language of your body is a great one for people to start with in terms of looking at my work. Then I also have a book called Understanding Modern Spirituality, which kind of talks about the etheric body and talks about the different subtle bodies and emotions from different perspectives and helps you to stretch yourself in terms of what is possible and talks about ancestry and talks about what we started with, how why somebody's soul might be different in the same family and have different issues to deal with.

DanielaSm: 46:38

I heard that the souls have like an pact and then they come back together.

Inna Segal : 46:43

It's a pact, but it's also like when we understand multiple life reality, we start to go. Wouldn't we want to learn different things? Like, what would be the point unless there's a learning? And if I hurt you in a previous life or I did something wrong, wouldn't I want to try, even if I don't consciously know, I would have this need, this impulse. Rather than completely saying that it's a pact, it's almost like an impulse inside of you to go, I need to do something for this person. And sometimes, well, you might need to do more than what they do because you're trying to balance something out, even though you consciously don't remember it.

DanielaSm: 47:29

You know, when our body gets old, we still feel like we are young, and so I'm thinking their soul is is a young soul. Our bodies get old, but that's why we always feel like we are like five years old or seven years old, and we should be happy. But then for what you're saying, like if I did hurt somebody, then my theory doesn't work.

Inna Segal : 47:47

Well, actually, actually, what you're saying is such an important insight because we have different subtle bodies, and I mentioned the etheric body. You actually are born with an old or full etheric body, and as you get older, in some ways it empties out and it becomes younger. It's like your physical body becomes older, but the etheric body becomes younger, and so that's why you're naturally intuitively connecting to it and feeling it and sensing it, and also with the soul, it's such an interesting. Oh my god, we need another session of this, an interesting exploration because when we understand, and and I guess kind of Christianity says that we have a new soul when we come in. Obviously, they don't necessarily believe in multiple earth lives. From my study, I do believe that we have kind of a new soul that has aspects of the old because we need to, you know, that's how we have talents and abilities, and that's how we meet somebody and we go, Oh my god, I just know you, I love you, I hate you, whatever it is, right? There's an aspect of the soul that, you know, is picked up from the past, but there's also an aspect of the soul that is created from my experience for each new life, because you have a different body. In a sense, you do have a one life in this body, right? One life in this family, one life in this, you know, place wherever you're born and wherever you experience. It is one life. You don't come back in the same body, in the same life, in the same experience. Essentially, there is definitely a newer aspect of the soul, but people confuse the soul and the spirit. And the spirit is the part of us that is eternal and that is the oldest part, and there's a divine spark within us.

DanielaSm: 49:40

And what about the bin? Where is the bin in this? There's three things then, the soul, the spirit, and the bin? There's several.

Inna Segal : 49:48

So there's the physical body, obviously, there's the etheric body, there is an astral body which is which contains your thinking, your feelings, your soul aspect in it, your desires, uh, your pain, I like, I dislike, I want, you know, why I experience something completely differently to you. And then there's I am, your kind of like individualization, your most unique part of you that thinks in completely different ways to anybody else, right? That has completely different experiences internally than anyone else. And then you have the soul, and there's different parts of the soul. There's the emotional soul, the mental soul, the we're in development of the consciousness, the wise soul now, that wise part of ourselves, and then there's the spirit.

DanielaSm: 50:41

Okay, so it's nothing easy. You're putting so many more items there. Whoa, that's like you did do need a master's on this. It's amazing. Can you really actually learn all these? It never ends because there's always something else that you don't know that you're learning.

Inna Segal : 50:57

Let me say it like this. In the last few years, I spent probably 12,000 list buying books from my library, and it's books that very few people would ever read. My children, they walk in and they're like, How many lifetimes will it take you to read these books? And it's like, because they're very, very complex. And I'm excited. Every time I do this in my background, I have this massive, massive bookshelf with all my books. Every kind of few weeks I walk around, I walk past them, I look at them, I take some out, I read parts of them, and I'm like, oh yeah, I just got this. As I had a question, I've been exploring and learning and studying for probably for now 25 years almost daily. There's so much more, so much more to understand.

DanielaSm: 51:49

Well, this idea that we are here to not have titles and be wealthy, but just to learn about ourselves, and that's the only thing we have to do in this lifetime to learn who we are, exactly in tune with your body, in tune with your brain, in tune with everything. It is not easy, but I wish told me this before. Do you agree that that's kind of like the reason why we're here?

Inna Segal : 52:11

Ourselves and to grow, you know. I feel like it's you have to learn about yourself to grow, but it is to become much, much wiser by the time you leave this world to how you were before. Hopefully, hopefully leave this world a better place because you were here.

DanielaSm: 52:31

But then what happened to those people? And and I have a few samples in my own life, they say they're spiritual, but oh my god, they are so complicated mentally and so this disturb everybody and they're narcissists. What happened to them? Are these people of souls that come here and really think that they're learning but they're not growing?

Inna Segal : 52:52

Now we're entering a very complex, even more complexity, because essentially not everyone's souls are the same. When I said, you know, we bring aspects back, what our development is back, you know, the souls who are narcissistic, for instance, having been married to proclaim narcissistslash psychopath, what happens with these people is that, and there's m a lot, you know, a lot of options here. But one of the things that occurs is that it's like for them to learn and grow so much slower. You know, if you were to kind of have a life and you you are to grow and learn from wisdom, like you would take 10 steps forward, they would take one potentially, and in other lives they might take two steps back. And so for them it's it's a much slower journey, but it doesn't mean they don't have an opportunity long term to grow and learn. And you know, this is what I hold like for my ex-husband. I really believe that in the time we were together, there were definitely, let's say, months where he was trying really hard to be his best self, and then he would go backwards because of the, and again, this is such a huge topic. Parts of himself that are very old, very dark, have a lot of power over him, and he knew he was aware of those parts too, you know, you know, parts that don't wanna be good, that don't want to be loving or healthy, that want to pull people back, that are self-destructive, that are destructive to other people. But I also feel like when these people come into our lives, and there's many at the moment, and it's many, I think, because people are recognizing this. You know, we have an opportunity to become much, much stronger by understanding what to do and under and recognizing these people, right? And how to work with them.

DanielaSm: 54:52

But it doesn't mean that when we come back, if we come back, that we have to deal with them again. Are they are they it's just like you know, uh with the pact of the souls coming together, I don't I really would like not to have them again.

Inna Segal : 55:04

Yeah, I really believe, you know, from my perspective, that was my question. I was like, I'm not doing this again with this person. I felt like gave me an opportunity to go, well, I can really work through everything that showed up and also understand for me again. Did we have previous experiences, previous lives together, and what were they? Having the sensitivity that I have and you know, spending time on it. I have connected a lot of pieces together where I feel like by the end of this life, I would have completed everything, you know, that the learning is with this person. And I'm hoping that we don't need to connect ever again, but not from a place of you know hurt, but from a place of me going, thank you for all the learnings from all the times. I would like to have new experiences because I need this, like this is done, it's completed. Yeah.

DanielaSm: 56:04

I did grow up in a dysfunctional family and I did my best without thinking too much about it, but I feel like I raised a family being functional. All right. So, well, so you have two two books, but I thought that you were working in one more.

Inna Segal : 56:18

Yeah, I have three books. Okay. I have a book called The Secret of Life Wellness as well, which goes through 21 different topics on everything from intuition to how to raise a healthy child to breakups, to loss, to abundance, you know, and how to have more prosperity in your life, all sorts of different life topics. And then I'm writing a book on different stages of healing and recognizing that we go through these stages, and each stage gives us an opportunity, like you said, to learn and grow and discover more about ourselves. And when we do, we become more loving, you know, because people have a tendency to be critical, to put themselves down, to want to be somewhere else. And when we actually can understand more about the healing journey, we can go, oh, I'm here because I'm meant to be, or I've gone a step back, but it's because there's some there's a step I skipped, and I need to learn and understand something during this time, and actually learning to honor rather than trying to be at the end, trying to be already fixed, already healed. I want to encourage people to enjoy that journey and understand it and work with it rather than constantly going, I just want to get to the end, because that can be really painful as well, and actually make things take way, way longer. Yes.

DanielaSm: 57:51

I I was listening to a podcast when they had a guest that was a healer as well, and he was saying that there is constant learning in life, doesn't have you're swimming constantly and there's no shore, which I thought, oh my god, that's really stressful because you're never gonna get anywhere. But if you have that concept and you know that this is you're here just to learn, learn, learn, and it never ends until I guess you die, your body, but not your the rest of all the pieces that you are together too.

Inna Segal : 58:19

Yeah, which is why you need lots of lifetimes because you cannot possibly learn everything in one.

DanielaSm: 58:23

Exactly, exactly. Well, I mean it y just one is already complicated. Our brain gets involved, keep us interrupted from from the real goal, you know. So I I'm not sure if that's uh you know, if what if we were created really that perfectly. I can see your point. Apart from the three books, are you you're not having a fourth one? I somehow remember yes, exactly. Exactly. So you want to talk about that?

Inna Segal : 58:52

Yeah. So it'll be about really understanding this this journey of healing and where you're at and honoring, really encouraging people to honor the journey and understand that certain times it's uncomfortable, at certain times you're being stretched for a reason and things are happening. In certain aspects of this healing journey, you are meeting parts of yourself with your archetypes, parts of you that have been rejected, pushed away, numbed, and you're bringing them back and you're working with them to understand them. At times you're looking at what's the wisdom of my body. Other times you are going through a build-up of a release that could be very, very uncomfortable, constantly seeing things from a new perspective and actually training yourself to do that and rebuilding and bringing myself back in a way where I'm growing from a place of wisdom as opposed to from a place of trauma. All right, that's wonderful. And when is that book gonna be out? Sometime next year.

DanielaSm: 59:59

So sometime. We wait, we wait, we wait. Wonderful. I wanted to ask you one thing is about your your hand movement. You know, it it is is that because you were saying that we need to move, but I was wondering if that's also part of you.

Inna Segal : 1:00:15

Nah, I think it's just European way of trying to express and your hands, you know, are part of are like the eyes of your soul. Inside our hands, there is actually a chakra or an energy, you know, field connected to healing. And so as we move our hands and use our hands, we we bring, you know, and we're connected to healing, we bring healing to others. And so, you know, and also I've done so many experiments with my hands, and it's a great question, no one's ever asked it. Um, I want to awaken different parts of my inner being. And so I used to do these experiments more when I was seeing people one-on-one, and I would kind of scan them with my hands instead of my, you know, tuning in with my eyes, you know, kind of intuition, not allow myself to tune in and I'd go, okay, I want my hands to give me all the information, and I would then sit down and just write whatever came out of my hands, and then I would talk to the client. You know, it was a bit scary because I do rely so much on kind of tuning into people and seeing things, and you know, so far, I think you asked the question before, I find my accuracy to be pretty high, unless it is a person I'm intertwined with, like my mum. I'm not as good at giving her real specificity. I still do, but I'll be like, I still think you should get a test done. Because I'm just too, you know, and I want a result and I don't want other results. So I haven't been wrong with what I've said to her, but I still always tell her, go get a test done. But it could be because of the relationship you have. It's because I'm too I'm so close with her and I just want to make sure, you know, uh in this scenario. I was actually amazed at how often I got it spot on, even though it was much scarier to do than just to go, okay, I'm gonna use the ability that I, you know, I feel I'm very comfortable with and confident with, because essentially what I'm tuning into is the language of the soul, and so the soul is speaking to me, and I'm just interpreting it, and I'm just going, okay, this is what it's saying. Um, and it's like speaking English, you know. I I I've got that language and I understand it, and so I have a lot of accuracy main only because I can recognize that language, it's like recognizing English.

DanielaSm: 1:02:46

Wow, so I mean you you had this uh capability to do it with your eyes, and now you have developed, you know, your hands. Do you said 25 years or more? Yeah, 25 years, yeah. Well, Ina, you you are a fascinating woman, and I appreciate your time. Appreciate your book. I will continue reading and see if I can learn how to be in tune with myself. I actually that's one of my uh intentions. Thank you very much for giving me a goal and thank you for being here and explaining this. I know that there is so much more that we can talk about.

Inna Segal : 1:03:18

Thank you. And you know, if you want to learn and actually explain some of the processes, I have a lot of free masterclasses, and you can go to inner seagull.com forward slash secret, and there's a masterclass where I just go through this and a process to guide you, to wake the body up, and then you know, to show you how to connect and it's free, it's on my website. I really encourage people to start with that.

DanielaSm: 1:03:44

Yes, we will put the data on our show notes as well. So thank you so much for all this. Inner story, remind us that healing isn't just about fixing symptoms, it is about listening, it is about honoring the whispers of the body, understanding the echoes of our ancestry, and choosing words and boundaries that support our energy. If this conversation touches something in you, please leave a comment and share it with someone who might need a reminder that intuition can be refined and that healing is deeply personal and possible. Join me next time for another story conversation. Thank you for listening.