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The Power of Aged Garlic and Peptides with James LaValle, R.Ph., CCN

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What if you could revolutionize your health with the power of aged garlic and peptides? Join us as we welcome James LaValle, a leading peptide expert and acclaimed author who uncovers these molecules' critical roles in our bodies. Discover why GLP-1 peptides are gaining traction and gain exclusive insights into James’s latest handbook and upcoming books on metabolic health and performance enhancement. We also engage in a spirited debate on whether diet or exercise holds the key to optimal health, inspired by Peter Attia's thoughts on VO2 max and longevity. 

Next, we illuminate the remarkable benefits of aged garlic extract, a powerhouse backed by over 900 studies for its heart health benefits and overall wellness support. We delve into garlic’s historical uses and modern implications, emphasizing its role in preventive care through diet, exercise, stress management, and sleep. By integrating natural compounds like aged garlic extract into our daily routines, we can better manage our health and bolster our longevity.

Lastly, we explore the essential role of sulfur in our diet, spotlighting how aged garlic extract enhances immune response, acts as a prebiotic, and supports metabolic health. James shares traditional and potential new applications of garlic, from combating colds to topical uses for cold sores. To cap it off, we hint at our next episode featuring Jordan Rubin and Dr. Josh Axe, where we will discuss collagen and other health products. Don't miss out; subscribe and join us on this journey to wellness and longevity!

James LaValle is an internationally recognized clinical pharmacist, author, board-certified clinical nutritionist, and expert and educator in integrative and precision health.  James is best known for his expertise in personalized integrative therapies uncovering the underlying metabolic issues that keep people from feeling healthy and vital. A thought leader in drug/nutrient depletion issues he has published 4 books and 3 databases in this area alone.  He has over 35 years of experience integrating natural and integrative therapies into various medical and business models.  His latest research is in drug-induced microbiome disruption.  https://www.jimlavalle.com/about

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Jim Wilk:

Welcome to Nutrition Nutz, where we discuss the latest nutrition breakthroughs, supplements and wellness choices with leaders in the natural products industry, health practitioners and research scientists. I'm your host, jim Wilkes, certified Nutritionist. Thanks to our main sponsor, hollyhillvitaminscom, the place for great selection, service and prices. Check out their extensive wellness library for updated science-based info. James Lavalle, thank you so much for joining us today. Appreciate you being on once again. One of my favorite people here to do shows. I always learn something which is cool. You have to do in this for so many years, so I know you're a busy guy and I want to get to it. Folks, we were just talking right before we got Jim on here. I remember you've done so many books, but you got a new one that just came out recently. You said peptides. Give me a little brief on that there.

James LaValle:

Yeah, so one of the areas teaching at the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine and chairing the International Peptide Society, you know, I wrote a handbook on kind of getting people up to speed on what are peptides and what are the most popular ones that are out there, and you know some of them, you know. You know, like the first peptide in the you know ever was insulin Right, we figured out, so it's kind of important. Yeah, however, was insulin, we figured it out, so it's kind of important. And then, of course, all the hoopla now about GLP-1. I mean, glp-1 is a peptide and so they're smaller than protein and it's a chain of amino acids and they provide specific signals in your body.

James LaValle:

And so I wrote, you know, had that book out this last year and then I've got a rebate of the metabolic code book coming out, uh, this year. And then a performance enhancement book, because I work with a lot of, you know, professional athletes and you know military tactical groups, so so I've got you know, wear a couple hats, you know, in addition to, obviously, I've been a chief science officer at Lifetime. Uh, so we've got lots of people interested in training and living a healthier life there. About a couple million people were. So it's always a top of mind is how to get better education across and what are the important things for longevity to get that really awesome health people are looking for.

Jim Wilk:

Well, I'm a big gym rat awesome help people are looking for. Well, I'm a big gym rat, so I just finished reading Peter Atiyah's book Outlive and how he stresses that probably exercise is, in his opinion, is key is number one that you can actually how can I say this? That you can actually how can I say this cheat a little bit on the rest of your lifestyle, your food choices, things like that, but the exercise is so amazing, especially getting your VO2 max up, and he feels that it's more indicative of a longevity pathway. How do you feel about that? Yeah, I mean PRT again a lot of value, a lot of a longevity pathway. How do you feel about that?

James LaValle:

Yeah, I mean PRT has got a lot of value, a lot of people are listening to them, but I kind of disagree with that.

James LaValle:

I mean, I think exercise is one component of good health and eating well is one component of good health If you have a gluten intolerance and you think that you can cheat by exercising. I mean, I've seen this over and over again. People that you know they haven't had a, you know they don't pay attention to where their chemistry is at. So while I agree with them that exercise is invaluable, muscle being important for the aging process and your VO2 max is good, but it's like anything right, you can't have one marker that's going to dictate everything about your health. Your body's just too complex. There's more to it than that. I have people that have a great VO2 max but yet they're blood sugar sized. That means they're going to damage their blood vessels whether they're exercising or not. So that's kind of how I land on it. I think you got to pay attention to all of it. Why would you worry? If you're putting all that effort in on exercise? Why would you worry about how much you get to cheat? It's kind of a clouted history to me.

Jim Wilk:

Yeah, I guess I phrased that wrong. Folks too, jim, lavalle's right. It's the three legs of the stool kind of a thing. You need that balance there, and of course you got to eat right and do all the good things there and taking some good supplements too. That's right, yeah, so also, I just want to ask you how do you feel about before we get into the topic of the day, which is garlic folks? Jim was also voted at one time one of the top 50 pharmacists in the country here by Drugist Magazine. How do you feel about the pharmaceutical industry? Big pharma, you know it's gotten a lot of kicks in the tush in the last couple of years there. Where do you think the pharmaceutical industry is going? What direction and things?

James LaValle:

Well, I mean I're not going anywhere, right? I mean people are always going to be sick. They pour billions of dollars into research. I think what's unfortunate is that there seems to be the inability to allow smaller entrepreneurial pharmaceutical environments like compounding pharmacies, you know. And then you know the conventional big pharma. You kind of have the TAPI coexistence where innovation can take place, you know, with bright pharmacists who are kind of out there on their own and then kind of that corporate.

James LaValle:

You know aspect of developing a drug and getting it out to market. I think you know obviously pharmaceuticals are going to. You know aspect of developing a drug and getting it out to market, I think you know obviously pharmaceuticals are going to. You know the company is going to have to change because people's mindset hey, we're moving towards wellness, we're really moving towards performance and longevity and not just the silver bullet approach, don't get me wrong. Don't need that silver bullet approach because people get in acute conditions. They need a silver bullet.

James LaValle:

And then also for people that don't want to take care of themselves and this isn't a criticism, this is people come to a time in their life or they just haven't decided they want to take care of themselves. And if they don't, they still deserve some kind of care. There's just a different benefit risk ratio when you're not making good decisions about diet and exercise and stress and sleep. You know and you just want you know. Hey, I want a drug that's going to lower my risk of death of, you know, a heart attack, and I'm not willing to change much yet. So I think you know.

James LaValle:

That's kind of where I see it. I think that I hope that for every industry in healthcare, we move towards meeting that consumer demand of people really want to be well and really want to know what to do in general. I think that's where things are going now. That's what books like what Peter Atiyah wrote for Pustellers right, because they, you know, people are out there buying them and wanting to know. Well, thank goodness, garlic isn't a pestle. Right, because people are out there buying them and wanting to know.

Jim Wilk:

Well, thank goodness, garlic isn't a prescription yet, right? So I think we can be thankful.

James LaValle:

Yeah, right, right, right, exactly.

Jim Wilk:

Just for people who are unaware of this fantastic plant, give me a little history about garlic there. How long has it been around? Who used? It back in the past and some of the benefits of it.

James LaValle:

I mean, you go back to Egyptian Roman times. Chinese medicine you know, you've got, you know, for ages it was used, as you know you've got, for ages it was used as antibacterial to strengthen and fortify individuals and so ward off evil spirits, right, protect against the plague, all that stuff. So it's been around for generations, literally, and so that's so. It's been around for generations, literally, and so that's for garlic. That's been it.

James LaValle:

Now the real opportunity, of course, came across over the last 60, 70 years, where they started to be more specific about how garlic was extracted and, of course, understanding the chemistry of garlic. There was some interesting cool stuff. Like they take garlic right now they freeze-dry it I heard this at the International Garlic Symposium in Germany and they freeze-dry the allicin in fresh garlic. And we know allicin is very unstable, so you've got to keep it under frozen conditions and in experimental models they actually injected it into cancer cells and a cancer cell model, like you know, in animals and, lo and behold, it resulted in cancer, right. So there's all kinds of interesting chemistries from it, but I think the most interesting one that's the most published, most studied of course is aged garlic extract in 900-plus studies and the variety of benefits that it gives individuals.

Jim Wilk:

Well, that's the thing Most people are aware of. Aging things or fermenting things seems to increase the potency or increase the benefits when you do something like that, just like cheeses or wine, or I was going to say my body, but I don't think so. But things seem to get a little bit better when you take the time to do something that prepares something that way. And that's what I always loved about the Kyolic brand of garlic is that it's a process that takes maybe almost a couple of years to come to fruition, correct.

James LaValle:

It's 20 months, you know, I mean 20 months of aging. It doesn't necessarily ferment Like I mean, obviously, you know you ferment cabbage, you get sauerkraut and you get all the benefits for your GI tract with sauerkraut juice, right, right, and you know the probiotic and microbiome and all that. But in the aging process, with garlic, it really changes the composition. So you literally are getting a completely different family of natural compounds that happen in the aging process. They create a whole new level of benefit for taking eight garlic extracts. You know, I mean, gosh, the recent studies have just been, they've come out, just been like, wow, more, even more benefit. You know, and I really, I really think that you know, when people become aware they're listening today and then you know they have to run out and get the major extract because the heart disease is still our number one killer. So we're all into longevity now, right, we're buying a keyers book, we're listening to huberman or whoever, right, right, we're all into this stuff. But in the end you still have to, like, create foundational wellness. So that, to me, is important.

James LaValle:

So where are your lipids at? Are you making bad actor lipids? You know, apolipoprotein b, lipoprotein, little a, you know. Are you making more inflammatory cytokines in your body, which everybody understands. You know cytokines. Now, since you know our pandemic, you know, and I think where's my glucose at, you know how is my stress level at. If you don't get that stuff under control then it doesn't make a lot of sense. You know to go, hey, I'm going to do this advanced stuff. You know I'm going to look for the Tibetan oji berries. You know to go, hey, I'm going to do this advanced stuff. You know I'm going to look for the Tibetan oji berries, you know, or whatever it is. You know they got to get the basics down and that's why I think aged garlic extract is so valuable. It covers a lot of bases and honestly, I think it's as valuable as people, you know, taking a multivitamin or you know taking something because they can't sleep and it tells them to sleep.

Jim Wilk:

This is really a foundational ingredient. Well, the roots no pun intended, but the roots of the company is interesting. The Wakanaga Company out of Japan who started this, I guess back in the 50s. That was a pretty cool story too, that you teamed up with a German scientist, right Something, how that goes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you teamed up with a German scientist, right Something, how that goes.

James LaValle:

Yeah, I mean, yeah, they teamed up with a German scientist. They age this product and they come up with something. I mean, think about this. In the 1950s they came up with something that still applies today, in 2024, right, that's. You know, for me that's like the discovery of vitamin c. In my opinion, it's super important to understand that the evolution of all the research they did from when they discovered in the 50s and then they started, you know, doing human studies and really looking at, well, what does this do in your body? And and then the other piece is that continued commitment to doing the research.

James LaValle:

So, whether it's doing double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled crossover trials, or it's case studies, or it's all the publications over 900 publications on aged garlic extract there's not a lot of natural compounds that you can think of. You know. Sure, you look at the basic nutrients, like vitamin C and magnesium. You're going to see a lot of that because they're essential nutrients. You see a lot of that. But when you get past that, you don't see as many studies with CoQ10 or with berberine or any other natural compound that's out there, as you see with a garlic extract, and I think that's something people should really get excited about that. You know the studies continue to pour in and they continue to. You know Wakanaga continues to pour money into new research, finding deeper and deeper value in why people should take, you know, kaiolic, a garlic extract.

James LaValle:

You know just a recent study out should take, you know, chiolic or aged garlic extract. You know there's a recent study out of Brazil. You know people, you know men 19 to I think it was 53, all with essential hypertension. They took aged garlic extract and their blood pressure an average drop of 18 points systolic, 12 points diastolic, which is even bigger than the previous four or five trials that showed like an average of 10 point drop on systolic and six point drop on the diastolic and that's pretty big.

James LaValle:

I mean, there's a lot of people that are walking around. If you haven't, if you're listening today when you haven't taken your blood pressure, you should take your blood pressure because you know hypertension is a silent killer. You know first sign of a heart attack, one out of two times is death, you know. So it's kind of good to know your blood pressure. And if your blood pressure is just a little bit off you know I have 130 over 90 or I'm 130 over 85, you should be getting on some aged garlic extract and get that blood pressure down. Get those blood vessels more pliable. Protect your heart, protect your blood vessels so that you don't run into that problem Right.

Jim Wilk:

Even getting your coronary artery calcification scores, those CAC scores that can probably help with that as well. Well, absolutely, I mean that can probably help with that as well.

James LaValle:

Well, absolutely, I mean that's just it. Even in their studies with coronary artery calcification, even the new study where they're using a scan called a CLEERLY scan, where they show calcification and they show vulnerable plaque as well and the fact that it regresses vulnerable plaque, that's really important. You know that you're regressing that vulnerable plaque that can break off and create a stroke or you know something like that. I mean it's just, you know, invaluable. And you've got leading researchers like Dr Matt Rudolph, you know UCLA School of Medicine, department of Choreology, you know leading reading away on those studies, as well as other universities. So really, when I say it's as important as any fundamental nutrient you're taking, I mean I take it every day. When I take it that important, I take it myself because I know the number one killer it's going to be heart disease.

Jim Wilk:

Does it? Yeah, I got an interesting. I have a friend of mine who's like 6'4", maybe about you know, 250, a little overweight and things. Obviously it's. He was wondering he wants to take garlic but he said do I need more? Because he says when I take a two he goes because of my size. He's just curious because he just came up to me the other day and said should I be taking more like garlic? Would that make a difference in his life? Can you overdo? It is what I guess I'm saying.

James LaValle:

No, you can't really overdo it. But I mean the clinical studies are pretty clear, like if you get up around, you know 2400 milligrams of a drug extract a day. There are a few studies that went up to 3.6 grams or 37 milligrams a day. If you do that 2400 milligram a day dose you're going to get benefits regardless of your size. So you know, not going to overdo it. But then again you know you don't need to take extra either, right? I mean you know you get to that 2400 milligram a day dose and you're going to be getting some pretty substantial benefits.

James LaValle:

Even in that coronary artery calcification topic, you know they didn't even get a study where people that were on a statin and aspirin because they already had calcification, their rate of future calcification dropped by like 77% when they took aged garlic with it. There's this amazing benefit to it that you just want to get on it and you don't have to worry about the stinking rose effect with aged garlic because when they do the aging process the volatile compounds that create that stinking rose effect Some people take garlic and they reek with garlic. You don't have to worry about that because properties of garlic can change, gotcha.

Jim Wilk:

Gotcha Well interesting what you just said a couple a minute ago, taking it with medications and stuff. Have there been any indication of contraindications? Any indication of contraindication in taking a supplement of garlic along with some medications?

James LaValle:

Yeah, there's no real contraindication with it, even with blood thinners. You know, they did studies with blood thinners and they didn't see any shift in what was called their INR time, but basically it turned to clot. So there's no real contraindication with it. Maybe if you have a true allergy to garlic you would take garlic right. But other than that, no problem, you know, no problem at all.

Jim Wilk:

Well, I've noticed that I was reading through the research journal that Kyolic puts out, wakanaga puts out these are excerpts from folks from peer-reviewed journals and meetings and things like that excerpts from folks from peer-reviewed journals and meetings and things like that. And, like Jim was saying, there's like over 900 or so of these peer-reviewed studies done on this, clinical studies done, and I noticed that sulfur keeps coming up and that's a rich constituent of garlic. Do we get enough sulfur in our diet and how important is sulfur for things?

James LaValle:

Well, I mean, you know. So you've got a process in your body called sulfation for one. So sulfation is phase two detoxification, how your body is able to get rid of compounds going through your liver. So you need sulfur for sulfation. Sulfur is really good as well for your joints. So you know, a lot of times people take methyl, sulfonylmethane or MSM for their joints because they know that you know, delivering sulfur helps with lubrication of the joints as well, and so having that sulfur compound in it is really important. And then it has something in it called S-allyl cysteine. So you're donating cysteine as well, and cysteine really helps your body with methylation, once again helping you not just detoxify but, you know, using the methylation process to make hormones, neurotransmitters. So it's incredibly important. So it's really one of those compounds and you got to remember because when they age it it creates a family of compounds. There's some compounds in it that help the immune system. So, for example, they showed that aged garlic extract actually acts as a prebiotic. It actually helps your microflora diversity, which is really important. And then the other piece is that it helps to stimulate what's called your gamma delta T killer cells, and those are kind of the mature T killer cells that help you fight off FUD. So, once again, if you're taking a garlic extract, you're taking kaiolic on a regular basis, your immune system just in a better defense posture if you come up against the everyday cold or flu or some other vector. Really important to understand. That's why I say this is such a foundational compound because it affects so many aspects of your chemistry. You know it helps raise something in your body.

James LaValle:

They did this study in people with metabolic syndrome and there's a compound called adiponectin that your body makes, and adiponectin is important because adiponectin kind of measures the antioxidant status in your body. So when your adiponectin is low you're under more free radical damage. And when your adiponectin is low, your insulin receptors don't want to work as well. And they found out when they gave this to people that are prone to having lower diponectin, that diponectin level went up. And so really, you know I can't really emphasize enough this is a product that you know what we call has a pre-atrophic effect, meaning it works across a lot of different systems of your body. You know the study that they showed where it dropped inflammatory cytokines like interleukin-6 and CNS-alpha, which are these are really big compounds that when your body's making too many of them, it starts to create havoc in your body. Your gut gets more permeable. Your immune system tends towards more antigen, antibody responses. You know, when you drop that by 33%, pretty powerful.

Jim Wilk:

Don't tootin'. That's amazing, gee. Yeah. What about animals and kids? Sorry to put them in the same category, but 40 years ago way more. I go back when my kids were young and I probably mentioned this in other garlic shows I've done when they had a fever or something I would crush up a clove of garlic and mix it with a little honey and give it to them and I think they still hate me for it today, but it seemed to work on lessening the symptoms of a cold or a fever and things like that back in the day.

James LaValle:

Yeah, well, there's no doubt about it. You know the traditional use of garlic. You can use it to fight off bugs and it's a little. I mean you crush up garlic and you're a little kid, you're going oh my God, why'd you do this to me? So you know, in children, you know you could opt in to use in the liquid form of H coli, which is not much long until they can't do it yet. But certainly grape is something that helps fight off. In fact, they did a study on college students and they showed that it used frequency and duration and the intensity of a cold or flu bug it would have. And so, yeah, it's.

James LaValle:

You know, once again, incredibly important Whether you're going to pull it off the shelf when you know, hey, you've got an acute situation. But you know, I think, more importantly, you know people taking it daily get this multitude of benefits that can really help them get the best health possible that they're looking for, right? I mean, I think that's where people are at today. But, hey, how am I going to actually feel the best I can really reduce my risk? How do I really get to being able to feel like, hey, I'm strong, I feel strong and I feel resilient?

Jim Wilk:

That's it. Yeah, hey, folks, Kyoliccom. You get a lot more information. It's K-Y-O-L-I-Ccom information. It's K-Y-O-L-I-Ccom. They make a host of just hundreds of products and all based on Kyolic, and some great probiotics and greens too, which would be two other shows. But they have a great line of things for whatever your situation is, so it does great. You can also go to hollyhillvitaminscom, our sponsor too, and order Mention nuts and UTZ and we'll get you a nice discount on that too. You mentioned the liquid one. I know Kyolic makes a liquid version of it in a dropper, and this is a question I've never asked before. Have you ever heard of anybody using it topically for things like a cold sore or something somebody would put?

James LaValle:

on. Yeah, I mean, it would make sense that you would do it. I haven't had any personal experience doing that, but it would sure make sense. I don't know if you've done that.

James LaValle:

No, no just thought of it, yeah, but I mean it would make sense as long as it you know, once again you have a cold sore and it's open. Hey, how does it feel when you put it on? I don't know if it's on or not, but all that stuff. But it makes sense that it has such a powerful kind of antimicrobial effect. You'd probably get some benefits from it.

Jim Wilk:

Well, I'm going to start my own company, so don't tell anybody. I love that stuff. So, like I said just a minute ago, they make a lot of different formulas. I know they make a one-a-day just a pure garlic in a tablet form. They also have it in a capsule form. I think it's a two-a-day equivalency. But all their other products their immune products and their CoQ10 and other things like that the cardiovascular products they add certain nutrients to it. So they're using the same type of garlic, right and they're adding a couple of herbs or things to enhance it. Is that the purpose behind it?

James LaValle:

Yeah, it is, and what you could do is you could mix and match, right? So if you're interested in, like heart, bone and immune health, they've got a great gel cap where it's got omega-3s in it. It's got vitamin D and K2 in it, of course, obviously. Why they included a garlic in that formula is because they showed that when they were doing their coronary recalcification scores that, oh my gosh, it stopped bone loss, and that's important because when the original calcium is from the bone it can go to your arteries.

James LaValle:

There's a direct correlation to bone loss and coronary artery calcification, right? So you could say, hey, well, I'm going to take that and maybe I need a stress formula too, right? Or I'm interested in the cardiovascular formula that has theanine in it, natokinase in it and I want to add, you know, another formula to it. That's what's nice about the line is that you know you can mix and match. And I would just say that if it's just general prevention like I'm just looking for general prevention if you hit that 1200 milligram a day garlic goal, then you're in great shape. So if you wanted to use a circulation product and a detox and anti-aging formula, you can get Mixed, and Masters too, get to that 1,200 milligram a day aged garlic target and just the other benefits of the other ingredients that they're putting in there for those specific tests.

Jim Wilk:

Gotcha Wow, putting in there for those specific tests, gotcha Wow. So when someone says to you, jim, I take garlic, I get it from Amazon, I get it as a brand and things like that, what's the best thing you can say to them In your experience, how do most companies make garlic supplements?

James LaValle:

Yeah, so there's only one age garlic extract and that's the one by Kyolyx, and that's the garlic that has all the studies that I was just talking to. That's the one that has accomplished that right. Other garlics that are made through different processes, for example Allison's pretty unstable. So if you're just taking garlic capsules or tablets, you're not going to get the same benefit because you don't have the same compounds in there, you know.

James LaValle:

I mean you want to get a garlic oil capsule and cook a pinhole in them and saute your spinach in it. Well, maybe that'll be a good way to use that right, but it serves to people in, after you know, the heart health benefits, immune health benefits, benefits of, you know, managing kind of healthy inflammation response. I think those are specific to taking aged garlic extract. So you're just not going to get the effect that you were reading about and unfortunately, if it's got garlic on a label, they can refer to the studies that were done with aged garlic extract and almost make it sound like oh yeah, this is all. Garlic benefits everyone. So that for me, is the way I'd reply to that. If you want the one that's been studied, it has the benefits. You got to go with aged garlic extract.

Jim Wilk:

Yeah, and folks they also. Sure, definitely. And they also make some other great products, like Kyo Green, and they also one of the forerunners in probiotics as well. But I was looking at some of their literature and here's an interesting quote here If you're not going to eat alkalizing foods, drink them. In terms of immune conditioning, green drinks are a simple, easy way to go. You ever hear that. I think it was by a James Lavalle.

James LaValle:

That was a quote there yeah, no, without a doubt. I mean, look, we know that if your urine is acidic, right, so you're making a lot of free hydrogen ions. You've lot of free hydrogen ions, you've got more free radical damage. And eating vegetables is a great way to buffer your pH, and there's even studies on this. They took people that, even after they gave them medication for their blood pressure, gave them medication for their cholesterol, gave them medications for their blood pressure, gave them medications for their cholesterol, gave them medications for their blood glucose, it didn't stop the progression of what's called the renal vascular disease if their urine pH stays thin. So jointing green is a great way to help alkalinize your urine and keep your pH where it needs to be to protect a really know, really important organs like your kidneys, so that you're able to detoxify and keep making healthy red blood cells and all the things that you know your kidneys earn.

Jim Wilk:

Yeah, it's important things. We're still not eating properly in this country. You've probably noticed it too this whole big trend towards ultra-processed foods that are going on and fake foods they're making. These days you think it would be getting better, but sometimes you feel like it's such an uphill battle.

James LaValle:

Well, I think, without a doubt, it's still. You know, people eat too much, too often, too late, they pick the wrong foods, right, they're under stress, they don't get enough to eat, and then you get dietary skewering, like people doing a carnivore diet or you know picking. You know a specific diet that excludes foods, a lot of times, like vegetables, which I think have a rich history of, you know, benefiting people, right, and there's a lot of that in the food stock. So, yeah, especially in the US, it's harder and harder to get great food.

Jim Wilk:

Yeah, it's a great company folks. I've done about 20 shows over the years on garlic and I always just pick Kyolic because there's really no other name that should go along with what you're taking there. They're just the best. They do it the best Organically grown, which is really cool too. Most companies just don't do that, and so it's something it's in my repertoire as well. So I'm a big advocate and, jim, I really thank you being on. I know you're a busy guy. Can people get in touch with you or follow you and see your career there? I?

James LaValle:

can just go to real Jim Lovell on Instagram, or they can just go to Jim Lovell.

Jim Wilk:

Yeah, let's go there. It's very interesting stuff on that on that website. Yeah, and looking looking forward to your new book whenever that comes out, so that'd be cool.

James LaValle:

Oh, absolutely, they're always coming yeah.

Jim Wilk:

Thanks again, jim, and have a great summer, and we'll talk again sometime next year. And we'll talk again sometime next year, all right, Great, thank you. Thank you, bye-bye.

James LaValle:

See you soon. Bye.

Jim Wilk:

All right, folks, that's it. Remember you can go to hollyhillvitamins. com and if you want to order some, mention the word nutz. We'll give you, I think, 15% off on Kyolic Garlic there. It's truly a foundational product and I know I've said that for other things, but I truly believe that. And, okay, I'm not sure what's here. I think next show is going to be Ancient Nutrition with Jordan Rubin, and Jordan has been on television. He and Dr Axe Josh Axe started a company a few years ago. Jordan used to be the owner of Garden of Life, which he sold many years ago and is still out there farming, and we're going to talk about collagen and some of those other cool things. So tune in for the next episode. Until then, stay healthy. All right, guys, that's it. Please subscribe to the channel so you can get our latest episodes and if you want to contact me with any questions or comments, try jim wilk cnc@gmail. com. Thanks again.