Nutrition Nutz, with Philip Pappas Ph.D.

2025 EP 3 Bones, Brains, and Better Sleep with Bill Palet

• Philip A. Pappas Ph.D. • Season 1 • Episode 3

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SPEAKER_00:

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Nutrition Nuts, where we explore the latest information on nutritional science, wellness trends, and information on cutting edge supplements. This is where you will hear experts in clinical nutrition, health care practitioners, researchers, and supplement industry experts discussing today's most important health care issues. I'm your host, Dr. Phil Pappas. I'm a certified clinical nutritionist, cognitive researcher, and psychologist. We would like to thank our sponsor, Holly Hill Health Foods and Hollyhillvitamins.com, the place for great selection, service, and great pricing. Use coupon code NUTs, that's N-U-T-Z, for 15% off, and remember restrictions may apply. Bill Pallet is with Reliance Supplements. Reliance, well, I'm going to let you talk about Reliance for a couple seconds. But Bill, you're kind of our right-hand man when it comes to Holly Hill brand products, which we are selling on the website and in the store, and we have a lot of your products. Tell us a little bit about your role with Reliance and a little bit about Reliance itself.

SPEAKER_03:

Sure. Happy to be here with you again, Dr. Phil. Reliance is a 50-year-old company. We're one of the pioneers of making not just vitamin supplements, but actual supplements that work. We kind of champion the ability to take clinically studied trademark materials. And trademarks materials, raw materials, are those that have been studied. A lot of resources have gone into those materials to make sure that the efficacy of those materials are there. They're present. They're going to have an effect in human health. And Reliance has grown exponentially, you know, with the expertise of making the high-quality supplements. We're located in Edison, New Jersey. We're in a manufacturing facility. They used to be the old Rickley Gum Building, actually. It's a historic building.

SPEAKER_00:

Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And uh we we are now 140,000 square feet of manufacturing. Say that again. 140,000 square feet of manufacturing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Took twice for me to absorb that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So our capacity, our capabilities are second to none. We even make some national brands who have backed away from manufacturing due to all the regulatory aspects of the industry. The industry has grown so in my 35 years of being in the industry and 23 years with Reliance Vitamin that the quality that that comes out of Reliance and certifiable manufacturing companies are second to none and rival that of the workings of many drug companies as well. You know, by the MPA, the FDA, uh different organizations that we have certifications for. So we have to put our best foot forward. And being a the largest private, premium private label manufacturer in the country in the natural arena, um, we're we set our standards at a higher level than just being a brand because we are Holly Hill. We are our customers' brand. So um there's no room for mistakes. Um and we have to really prove ourselves every day with the quality of the nutrients, um, the quality of our manufacturing ability, um, our our quality control and our innovative products that we uh highlight on a regular basis that uh are things that are moving the needle in people's wellness profiles and helping people be the best that they can be.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I just want the listeners to um imagine this. Now, I've worked in pharmacology and I've worked in supplements. And honestly, if I were to close my eyes and or you blindfold me and take me into a plant, whether it be pharmaceutical or supplemental, it's a pretty hard to tell the difference because basically the same equipment, the same cleanliness, filtration, the way it's handled, pretty much uh they're comparable. There isn't a whole lot of difference.

SPEAKER_03:

Absolutely. I mean, we're subject to regulatory aspects that rival the drug companies. Um, you know, we have different organizations that are constantly uh coming in and auditing us to make sure that everything is what it is, the documentation. Um we we even have a department of retained samples. So if we have a production line of a particular product, whether it be vitamin C, coenzyme Q10, or or whatever, whatever the nutrient multivitamin, uh coenzymated product, um that uh we could go back uh three to five years of and pick out that lot number. By lot number, yes. God forbid there's a problem. Even two, three years down the road, um, we can check out everything to make sure that the product is still intact, that you know, deoxidation didn't happen. So we're we're very you know uh adherent to uh not only making the finest products, but make sure the consistency and the longevity of that product um is equal. And you will find that all of our products, even at expiration date, are still 100% of the potency that's on the label.

SPEAKER_00:

And I can we're proud of that. And I can vouch for that because I've been involved with supplements, but I also worked for a major pharmaceutical company that made antibiotics, among other things, but a lot of antibiotic. And everything you said about having the lot numbers on the shelf, being able to go back and check, it's the exact same process. We did the same things. So why would there be a difference? You know, it's the same machinery. So it's high standard, and that's the important part. And that's why we like reliance, because you're doing it for us. And it's so important that we can have that credibility and that that thought of, wow, we've got a super line of product here.

SPEAKER_03:

And also we we enjoy the credibility of Holly Hill uh being your supplier of your Holly Hill brand because uh the ability uh of the educated staff that is here at Holly Hill to guide, instruct, educate uh their consumers, um, to give them the you know the best aspect of why and what and how they're taking their supplements, and uh having an expert on staff like you, Dr. Phil, who actually, if if pharmacology information is needed, you have that ability to be able to talk to your customers you know about that, you know. That's what we do with this, you know, with either an antagonistic effect that you can make your customers aware of between certain herbs or supplements and the drugs, or the synergy uh of using certain nutraceuticals with the drugs to actually help the homeostasis of the body, help the drug actually work better, or eliminating the fact that you don't have to when you stabilize the body, even though you stay on your medication and needed medication, um you don't have to continue raising the dosages because the body is still in a sick mode, it's it's still failing. So you could add that synergy of proper nutrition to that to make their overall wellness experience uh a lot more plausible.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh just you you rang a bell for me. And um, and that is, unlike a lot of places when you buy online, you can ask to talk to a practitioner if you call in during our working hours and ask some questions. And it happens happens every day, actually. It may not be me, but it could be one of our other practitioners on staff who are well trained and they know how to answer questions. And if in fact one practitioner can't answer a specific question, we get another practitioner in to answer that question. So not very few website purchasers or sellers offer that kind of help. And and we do. And of course, in the store, we're doing it all day long. So this is a great thing for us because it makes us much closer to our customers. But Bill, I want to bring up something. I want to talk about a specific product that is selling like crazy, and I think a lot of people maybe don't quite understand, and that's your algae-based calcium product. Let's talk about that because I think it's really important. We have people with osteoporosis or maybe a milder form, osteopenia, um, that are concerned. And there's a lot of additional products in your calcium-based product. But let's talk about that. Sure.

SPEAKER_03:

So our algae, our al our algae calcium, or our algae-based calcium is a vegan form of calcium. Um, it comes from algae, highly absorbable. It's um for use by anybody, whether you eat meat or you're you're a vegan. Um, but how it's formulated and the main component of the calcium, the algae-based calcium, is a trademark material, which has undergone many, many studies for its efficacy, its absorbability. And then the micronutrients that we combine with that, particularly uh the K2, um, the magnesium, uh different um natural uh versions of the um the boron, which is also made from red algae, the silica, which is algae, uh the seronium, which works in conjunction with calcium, but in an algae form, basically, so it's not antagonistic, uh, helps the body absorb the calcium, um, which, you know, it's a funny thing. The K2 that we have in the calcium, of course, is from MENACON 7. Uh, the uh people who suffer from calcium deposits and everything, a lot of times they say the the physician will say don't take calcium. The problem isn't the calcium, it's they're taking the wrong type of calcium. When you take calcium that is not being absorbed, um, the body is still starving for calcium and will leach calcium uh out of its the teeth, the bone structure, and haphazardly throw it around the body. So it's very important for any calcium formulation to have K2. But the aquamin's calcium has been studied for the bioavailability along with the trace minerals that are in there that act in synergy with the algae calcium that all come from red algae, um, to make sure that the calcium is staying in the bone and not haphazardly being thrown around the bloodstream.

SPEAKER_00:

And we we don't want it in the bloodstream.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, because that's going to lead to atherosclerosis. That's why K2 is is so important. So important and is part of part of the product. And uh the algae calcium is a thousand milligrams of of elemental calcium coming from the algae. It's in a three-tablet a day formulation. We just came out with the slim tab because even though the algae calcium formulation that Holly Hill very successfully sells is very swallowable, it's not a huge horse pill. Um there's still people, especially the aged, who use that reflex option, you know, to to swallow. Uh so we came out with a a slim tab algae calcium, which is really slim, has a little bit less calcium in there, but all the synergistic nutrients, it's basically a you know 80% of of what our algae calcium is, but it's still in a three-tablet uh formulation and is wildly popular because it's easy to swallow.

SPEAKER_00:

So we're getting that old, old I learned it ten years ago doctor out there who sends people in for a lot of calcium. And I don't think people understand that it's not just about calcium, it's about minerals. Osteoporosis is a word, medical word, that I suggest when I use the term, I say it's um loss of minerals. Dimineralization. What's the cure to demineralization? Generally, mineralization. Yes. And when you do that, you develop stronger bones, you're not circulating calcium in the blood, which can be deadly for some people. You don't want calcium in the blood, obviously. You want it in the bone along with all the other minerals. Uh, what I like about, and you can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but when you take uh a whole food calcium, uh, particularly from algae, you're not just getting the big minerals, you're getting little trace minerals in there because it's a natural sea, is it a sea plant? Exactly. Should I call it a plant or should I call it an animal? It's a plant. It's a plant.

SPEAKER_03:

No, it's not an animal. No, it's definitely a plant. So you get all the coexisting synergy, you know, um nutrients. Um might be f uh uh part of a fermentation process, uh process, some aren't. Uh that is just vital to overall health. And um, you don't get that from the inert calcium you might get from a calcium carbonate or uh calcium gluconate or or other forms of calcium. And there's other calciums that are amino acetelated, but they're not going to absorb as as well as the algae-based calcium. So this technology is far in advance, far in advanced of the normal type of calciums, um, and you're going to get, you know, the best results possible. And along with the calcium, is the importance of all the trace minerals, like you just mentioned, Dr. Phil, that comes along with this. And the fact that the K2 is involved in the formulation as well to keep the artery pathways clear, to keep the calcium in the bone so it doesn't roam the body, which causes a slew of problems, health problems, particularly atherosclerosis. It's it's very, very important. So also vitamin D. Vitamin D3 helps with too. Vitamin D3 is actually a hormone, but it helps with bone structure to bone matrix, the absorption of these vital micronutrients. Um also is called the happy pill, too. Uh vitamin D3 really affects mood as as well because of its uh of its structure, you know, and its ability to nourish the hormone structure of the body. You know, it's very interesting. Speaking about K2, Dr. Phil, is that I see a lot of people in my travels who uh and I notice because I'm aware of this, you know, when you've been in the industry as long as I or you have, um, that you might be talking to somebody and notice that they have marks all over their body, especially their arms, you know, the black and blueing and everything. And at that point, a lot of times I question if they're on a product like uh cumadin um or Eloquist or you know, any of these blood centers.

SPEAKER_00:

And then the new blood centers, which are better products than the old ones. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

And and they help to prevent clotting and everything. But what they do is um erode um the blood vessels, but also what they do is limit the body's ability to manufacture K2 in the body. So and in K2 in the Rotterdam study, which was done, I believe, in the late or early 2000s, showed that even people on blood thinner um, you know, were the blood thinners were working, but it didn't decrease mortality because it was robbing the body of the K2, which keeps the blood thinners from causing the destruction of K2, which means when the K2 is just, you know, you have the destruction of K2, the body starts leaching calcium out of the bones and uh and other minerals. Which which leads to atherosclerosis. So it's very important uh for people who are on blood thinners to take K2. And sometimes people get confused and their physician might say, well, don't take vitamin K because you're thinking K2 and K1, which is a blood thickener, is the same animal, which it isn't. Um but um they might have a similar molecular structure, but uh they do different things. K2 is is very important for gut health and um and also as you know for people who might have on Wilburin's disease and other diseases that are bleeding diseases to help clot the blood uh clot the blood. Uh but um K2 is so important for people on blood thinners because the Rotterdam study showed that there was less mortality of people on blood thinners when taking K2 with the with the blood thinners. Because it makes it work better. Yeah, exactly. But also, too, the the blood thinners too will cause an erosion of the blood vessel network, which causes uh capillary bed that it attacks, isn't it? Exactly, yeah. And you know, which leads to you know, you bump your your arm, your hand, and that's what that bruise is about.

SPEAKER_00:

Damage capillaries. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So what do you do when you need your medication? You need the blood thinner, you're not going to go against your physician, of course. But how do you strengthen that vessel network or the capillary network? So there's certain phytonutrients that can be used to help prevent or slow down that erosion of the blood vessels, which is grapeseed extract, ignogenyl, aphylopoic acid, citrus uh bioflavonoids, things that um are are wonderful and actually even vitamin C in strengthening the capillary network to reduce that bleeding. Because it can be a problem for people.

SPEAKER_00:

Aaron Ross Powell And just like in your vitamin C, the uh bioflavonoids are built in. Exactly right. Uh pureway is your vitamin. Yeah, pureway, yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

We're one of the few companies that actually make a pure way C. Um, and that that particular product, and I could get off the topic, but that particular form of um of uh vitamin uh C has been studied versus any other form, every other form of vitamin C, and actually it was uh a higher ORAC value, uh more prevalent in the blood for a longer period of time, um, a better healer, um, better immune system supporter uh than every other type of uh vitamin C, even buffered vitamin C.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Yeah, I would I have I treat a lot of um anemias, and vitamin C helps the uptake of iron also. So your product's amazing that way. We saw a lot of your pureway vitamin C. It's on the website, just as these other products that we're talking about. But um, in particular, these calcium-based um products, algae products, algae-based calcium products, get that right, uh, are important because in the supplement industry, uh, the elderly population is actually uh one of our big base customers. And we see a lot of elderly people. A lot of elderly people develop osteoporosis as part of aging. So being able to create healthy bone uh is an amazing thing. And uh, you know, if you're interested in this at all in saving your bones, um try this product out. It's going to do the job. You can find it on our website, and uh we direct you there. Or if you're coming in the store, be glad to show it to you. I love the idea of the slim tabs. What what do they look like?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, they look like just a flat version of the tableted algae calcium, our normal formulation. Again, our regular formulation is um not a big tablet, it's easy to swallow. But for those people who have trouble swallowing pills, uh the slim tab uh will go down as easy as a capsule because it is extremely thin. It's about 80% or 85% of the nutrient structure of our regular algae-based calcium. And um, and again, calcium is so important for people with the aging process, the thinning of the bones. Um, and a lot of times, too, that could be a side effect of a medication that you're taking.

SPEAKER_00:

It certainly can. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So so you really want cancer treatment. Exactly right.

SPEAKER_00:

Very often is one of the stimulators of this.

SPEAKER_03:

Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So uh people go through chemotherapy, radiation, yeah. An offshoot of that is uh osteopenia, osteoporosis. And also, too, for women um who lose their uh uh over time, you know, estrogen depletion, you know, with the aging process, you know, you really need to strengthen those bones.

SPEAKER_00:

That's excellent. Uh great information. Um the K2, you actually sell you actually make a K2 by itself. Um so if you're not well, just to back up a second, the K thing to me has been misunderstood by physicians and people in health food stores. Um there's K1, which we could say, let's just look at carrots, for instance, happen to be one of the larger um K containing K2 vegetables. A cup of K of uh carrots is about a hundred, maybe a hundred and ten, I may be wrong on that, or off a little, but not by much, um, of K1. And even if you read the package circular on uh waffern, cumadin, the most aggressive blood thinner, which is not being used like it used to be because of the new more safer blood thinners, you would you would have to eat 10 caps of carrots in one sitting to actually create a problem with your cumadin. So this was overexaggerated for years. And uh we have K2 and uh different forms of that, which are much safer. And it's in the algae-based product. You don't have to go buy it separately. There are going to be situations where you're just buying K for a reason, but this is a wonderful way to to really make this your product.

SPEAKER_03:

Exactly. And and K2 and D3 are very synergistic. Yeah. And if you know you're taking a particular calcium or you want a a special protocol from your physician about taking in too much calcium, and even though you know uh the your physician might not be separating what's absorbable to what's not absorbable, um, and is okaying a D3 product, a D3K2. Um we have that as well, you know, uh by itself, either a K2 by itself or a D3-K2. D3 has gotten very popular for for many, many reasons. A lot of people do not get uh or they can actually cannot they cannot convert sunlight, you know, to to to uh or synthesized sunlights for for the for the D3. So D3 plays an important role in certain hormones and bone strength and neurological aspects of the body. And and K2 works in synergy with with the D3. So we have um and for people who might suffer from atherosclerosis, we have uh higher dosages of the K2 and D3 in combination for those for for those aspects.

SPEAKER_00:

You've got to have that versatility, and you absolutely you guys do it. You've got many, many products.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, but we have over 400 SKUs in our in our line. Is that right? Yes. And uh I'm I'm happy to say that Holly Hill carries most of them. We do, which is great. And Holly Hill um makes us a better manufacturer because of we have to be on our best to be able to perform products for such an educated staff as Holly Hill.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I want to change the subject to two products that I think your company is way ahead of the curve on, and that's your chewable GABA and your chewable L-theanine. These are products I use every day on people because I see a lot of I still see a lot of ADHD, even though I'm not at the hospital doing that anymore. I see them all the time. In fact, I think people have followed me here from the hospital. So as a result, I'm still seeing some of those same people. But obviously, treating with a drug might be necessary in some cases, but it does seem to have some problems. So we have GABA, and we have it in that fermented chewable one, which makes life so easy, but we also have Lthenine. Let's talk about GABA first. Tell me what you could, you know, tell me what we should know about your chewable GABA.

SPEAKER_03:

Our chewable GABA is a trademark material which has many, many years of studies, clinical studies on it. It's a very high potency chewable, very pleasant to the taste. Uh it's 200 milligrams. Really good to help with um later in the day type of relaxation, preparing your body for sleep and even sleep. It helps with um getting the deepest sleep possible, the REM sleep, the REM sleep uh aspect. Um can be taken with melatonin if you have a uh you know a problem of getting up in the middle of the night and not being able to fall back to sleep again. But GABA by itself is is very therapeutic and getting you to sleep, relaxing you in the evening, getting you to sleep, and uh keeping you asleep and getting that the sleep that you get, that that that REM sleep. Thenine, on the other hand, is more of a daytime formulation. Uh it relaxes the nervous system, um, but also helps you focus at the same time. Uh theanine is naturally found in in green tea and kind of negates the caffeine out of the out of the green tea and and other types of uh herbal teas. The theanine um takes your stress, which is in front of you, and puts it behind you. Um it's still there, but you don't care anymore. It's really a wonderful product. And um it could be used in the workplace, uh, everyday life, uh, and and an aspect of theanine because it helps you focus more for ADD, AD, HD, and just overall better concentration. It actually you could take it before you go into the gym and your your concentration is better for your workout. There's really no downside to theanine. It's a great daytime formulation. Um, and yet as hard as you work or work out, it just um just relaxes the nervous system so you don't get that that um repercussion of of stress. So it's also good for blood pressure as well. Yes. And in fact, uh you can take that with magnesium during the day or at night.

SPEAKER_00:

When yours came out, I immediately started using that for blood pressure. It made so much sense. I don't know what why I wasn't using it before that, but for some reason I saw it and I said, everybody comes in here with blood pressure. I'm using it. Now I notice they're putting it in other companies are putting it in their blood pressure formulations. So it must work. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03:

To relax the nervous system, to help with hypertension, to help focus, concentrate. So we have two f forms. We have a um a high dosage chewable. That's the one I'm which is delicious. And then also we have the capsules. Yeah, whatever's convenient for you. But the chewables makes it um very easy to take. You just pop it in your mouth. Uh it's um you can take, you know, anywhere from, you know, one or two a day over the course of the day, even three if you need it, if you're in a high stress situation. Um but it's they're they're wonderful. What you want to do is is relax your system to open up its its full potential, you know, to concentrate, to um, you know, to just to help with overall focus of of energy, you know, and um and and theanine also will will protect many different of uh different organ structures in the body that are effective with high stress, especially the gut, actually, because when you're stressed, the gut just starts, you know, acting up. You doing different it destroys its own microflora, there's a lot of things, you know. And um to to keep your gut as h as healthy as possible, to keep your nervous system relaxed, to keep your concentration focused, uh just uh, you know, and when when you reduce stress, you're reducing, you're improving immunity and you're reducing the this the you know the propensity of sickness basically that brought on by stress because um a lot of a lot of physiological diseases are are an offshoot to just a stressful lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00:

I'll never forget when I joined um practice here at the local hospital. It was a stress management center. I became the director eventually, but my first day on the job, um, some of the other therapists took me in our little, we had a little library room there that you could sit down and read in. And they showed me this book, The 129 Reasons or the 129 Conditions Caused by Stress. I forget the author. I have a copy of it. They bought me a copy as a present one year. I forget, uh I forget the year, but I don't want to tell you my age either, but I forget which birthday it was. But that impressed me. 129 conditions caused by stress. At first I didn't believe it. And then I started reading the book and I'm going, oh yeah, that caused, you know, ulcer, stress ulcerization, ulceration. I mean, it's it's there.

SPEAKER_03:

It affects every organ in the body.

SPEAKER_00:

Every organ in the body, because things go wrong when you're under stress. Even your biggest organ in the body, which is your skin.

SPEAKER_03:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Well the psoriasis and um aspects of of stress that that come out through the skin. Um it it's really important to be able to handle life. And um without getting into drugs that might have side effects, these natural nutraceuticals are a really good way of of um of trying to handle your stress.

SPEAKER_00:

Aaron Powell Let's go back uh to now you you would recommend uh you said up to three times a day with the theme. L-theanine. I occasionally have to do three times a day, but usually two max. Yes. Um you would recommend absolutely with the L-theanine, taking it in the morning because it's a daytime product, right? Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

And you know, and what you want to do is, you know, take it in increments over the course of the day. If you're taking two a day or three a day, you want to space it out.

SPEAKER_00:

Break it up.

SPEAKER_03:

Because you're going to have it's going to be utilized by the body, you know, break it down, but then you want to replenish it, especially if you're in a very stressful situation. So if you want to take it first thing in the morning to just focus, get your body going, stress levels intact, and then maybe you're dealing with some stress in the afternoon, or you're going to work out heavy in the gym in the afternoon, that'd be another great time to take L-theanine. And you can even take it in the evening. If you have a high stressful lifestyle and you want to start winding down, you could take theanine, and at night you can take the GABA, which will help with the sleep hack.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, let's back up to GABA. Now, our bodies have a GABA neurotransmitter, and that's what we're doing, basically feeding that neurotransmitter. So when do I use GABA and why?

SPEAKER_03:

GABA gives you a relaxation which is um more relaxing than thienine and that aspect. It can make you possibly drowsy. There's always warnings on GABA, don't take it and you know, and while you're using heavy machinery or anything. So um the GABA is basically taken it's catabolic. It's it's taken at night, basically. It's going to relax your system, put you into a uh a more effective sleep pattern, just um erase the day's stressful connotations and help you get a just just a better sleep.

SPEAKER_00:

So people with sleep issues like waking up at three in the morning every night or I can't get to sleep, GABA might be a good choice here.

SPEAKER_03:

Aaron Powell It's definitely worth worth trying, yes. And um and again, if you still have an extreme situation where well the sleep that you get from GABA will be more restful than if you didn't, even if you wake up at three o'clock in the morning. But that's where you can combine the synergy of of a melatonin product with that because melatonin will help you go back to sleep a lot quicker if you have that situation. But anything that can promote, you know, a three to five hour deep sleep pattern like GABA, um, even if you only get five hours of sleep that night or six or or four, you're getting deep sleep. You're getting deep sleep. But more restful sleep, it helps repair the tissues in the body, helps with brain function, cardiovascular, uh helps with blood pressure. There's so many aspects of it that a good night's sleep and even uh even short birth sleep at night, but a deep sleep is going to help with the mechanism of repair in the body.

SPEAKER_00:

And many people wear um these Fitbit monitors, and uh the one I use actually shows your deep sleep, your light sleep, your wake up time. Um and there are differences. You can have a night where you have light sleep, and you a lot of people tell me it's like I'm looking at the ceiling and I'm in a half sleep. You know, I'm not quite there. And then there's those nights where what happened? How did I just sleep eight hours? Right. How did that go by so fast and like was how deep was I? And that's the difference, right? And you feel you always feel better when you have one of those deep, deep sleeps. Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

Sleep is plays uh such an important role in overall health. Um and it it can't be stressed enough, you know, how important sleep is.

SPEAKER_00:

Important, and yet we know very little about it. Yes. When you do without it, no more. It's not about how bad it is. Yeah. So yes, the GABA to me is important because we hear sleep problems all the time. Yeah. Sleep deprivation will cause physiological problems. Oh yeah, absolutely. Um you fermented both of these. Is that typical or is this some special thing you came up with?

SPEAKER_03:

Aaron Ross Powell Well, certain nutrients you're able to grab that molecule, that affected molecule, off of a medium. So, you know, you have to ferment that molecule, you know, uh the theanine or the or the GABA off of the, you know, the starting material. And the fermentation product uh process also usually grabs uh micronutrients that are present in in that um material that you're using as a medium, which actually helps with the synergy of the actual active component of the product. So um fermentation is uh a way of also if it's coming from a median that might have a a protein, you know, uh backbone to it, um, that protein is not in the product. It's it's the amino acid that is fermented off of the protein. So um it restricts any kind of allergen type of implication. Excellent.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, off of whatever the starting material or the medium is. And increases probably the absorption level. Yes. And might even uh it gives it a pure form.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. Because you know, there's no residue of that starting material other than possibly some important micronutrients that might be fermented with you know fermenting the cabinet.

SPEAKER_00:

You might get higher levels on some products, right? Higher than you would if they weren't fermented. Exactly. So it's an important issue. And this fermentation process. You guys didn't invent it, I guess, but it's widely used.

SPEAKER_03:

It's widely used, right? Trevor Burrus, Jr. But there's there's a real benefit uh in in sourcing products with the fermentation. And sometimes that's the only way. You get that isolated molecule over there without bringing any allergen from the starting median material to the product.

SPEAKER_00:

Aaron Ross Powell Okay. Uh I we're starting to run out of time, but I do want to talk about one other product that we sell a ton of, and that's your NAC. Tell us a little about NAC, N acetylcysteine.

SPEAKER_03:

Aaron Ross Powell N acetylcysteine um really came into a zone. I mean, people have been using it for many, many years, but uh COVID got very, very popular because of its detoxification uh ability. It's a precursor to the amino acid all glutathione, which is uh the probably strongest antioxidant you can put in your body, um, which helps with, you know, um lung health. Um it's it's wonderful for liver health as well and and kidney health. And um any cetylcysteine is very important for people who take medication uh or are dependent on certain type of drugs, whether they're legal or not, just to cleanse their system.

SPEAKER_00:

It's the cleanup crew.

SPEAKER_03:

It's the cleanup crew, yeah. Because when you take even even medications, you'll have certain uh toxic residue that'll build up in in the kidney in the liver, and you really need to clear that out to prevent any kind of future problems of of those organs. Um but NACL cysteine and L-glutathione, very important for just overall health. Um the conversion of NACL cysteine to L-glutathion uh is is naturally occurring. Uh L-glutathion is uh probably the strongest antioxidant you can put in your body, that and acanthin. Um the um it's also uh L-cysteine, L-glutamine uh L-cysteine and L-glutathione, very important for ocular health as well. But um, during COVID, you know, the use of um N acetylcysteine was very important to keep um lung tissue as healthy as possible to clean out those toxins, um, to try to, you know, um it's called a mucolytic. Yeah, to to bring up the the And it does work well. The toxic buildup that caused you know that was being caused by by COVID. And also worked very well with a product called collagen peptides, which uh, you know, helped with um enhancing the elasticity of of the air sacs in the lungs and lung tissue uh to keep that the lung tissue from atrophying from from the COVID virus. And uh N acetylcysteine along with collagen uh continues to be uh uh just a vital remedy, in my view, for people who suffer from asthma, COPD, and um emphysema and and issues of the lung tissue.

SPEAKER_00:

Aaron Ross Powell Well, for COVID, obviously, expectoration, the liquefying of mucus. Very important. Being a mucolytic as it is, and it's not just um off, you know, a drugstore expectorant does a lot more. It cleans cells, it does the things we need to do to get through the COVID.

SPEAKER_03:

Absolutely, which is going to protect your cardiovascular system as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

From the fluid buildup.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. So you make basically just one A NAC, correct? Yes. 600 milligrams.

SPEAKER_03:

600 milligrams. It's it's high potency. Um yeah, it's it's been a steady seller for us. It comes in a couple of sizes. Um, just a great overall detoxifier, even if you don't have any of the problems you're talking about, like COPD or, you know, you're not on medication. It's just good with all s just taking in the free radicals of daily life and just the the aspect of breathing and eating uh to cleanse the body, to give your body a detoxification um method to it doesn't have to be even on a regular basis, maybe a couple times a week, just to just to help filter out toxins I build up in the liver, which is normal.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, um I've noticed that I uh since I started giving NAC to allergy people, uh either patients, clients, or just people that just walk, you know, they're walking in asking what can I do for my allergies. I I've been consistently now adding NAC and I noticed a much better result. It seems to do more than just thin the mucus and make you feel a little better. Seems to have more going on than maybe something we don't quite understand, but I've been a very happy with the results.

SPEAKER_03:

Well when when you have something that is a very powerful antioxidant and free radical fighter, uh it it's only going to aff It's only going to make you healthier. It's going to fight all the all the free radicals that are infiltrating your body, you know, whether it be your liver, your spleen, your kidney, gut, um it's uh your lungs. It's it's just so important to keep your you know, the pump working uh adequately throughout the whole body and and your cell membranes as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Aaron Ross Powell Yeah. And of course we have this product on the website also. There have been shortages in the industry of NAC.

SPEAKER_03:

Aaron Powell Well, that's because, you know, right after COVID, you know, the FDA was trying to limit the ability for of stores to sell over-the-counter NAC N acetyl-cysteine because of his effectiveness. You know, um, they they didn't follow through, thank goodness. You know. And uh because they it's it's you you can't you can't trademark a natural product. You know, you can't trademark an amino acid. However, they try. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

However, hospitals have been using it in IV solutions, haven't they? Yes, yes. How many years?

SPEAKER_03:

Along with a lot of the hydration factors that we sell for optimal health, too, because the hydration is a big problem.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So it's out there, it can't be patented for drilling. So you can get it here as a product that you can take. And if you are having any lung issues, I suggest you do it. I think it's a great product.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. Even if you're a former smoker and you haven't smoked in 15, 20 years, good one. You still you still need, you know, to limit any kind of structural damage that has been done, maybe in a lower level, but will eventually catch up to you with the aging process. I'm going to cleanse that out.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Um when I started in the pharmaceutical industry back in the 70s, um, I learned about NAC. And um maybe I learned a little later than that, but I learned about it as years went on. And those parts of our country that either have coal mining or that type of thing, they were so much more knowledgeable about how to use things for this type of thing, um, any kind of lung issues. And um, yeah, I'd see NAC being used along with other things. So amazing, amazing product. Uh underestimated, you just don't hear about it that often. Uh, I guess we call it NAC because Nacetylcysteine is a lot to say. But wow, it's a great, great product. At any rate, we're out of time. Okay. Bill, you've done a great job for us. We've been talking with Bill Pallett from Reliance. Reliance is the company that makes our Holly Hill products here at the store and on the website. Bill, may I have you back in the future sometime? Could you do that?

SPEAKER_03:

Be my pleasure.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, very good. Well, we thank you for listening. Thanks to our loyal listeners, and thanks to our sponsor, Holly Hill Health Foods and Hollyhillvitamins.com. Don't forget to use coupon code NUTS NUTZ for fifteen percent off. You can reach me with questions and comments at two one five three six one seven seven seven zero. Until next time, this is Dr. Phil Pappas wishing you good health.