44. Turning Red: Nostalgia and Intergenerational Trauma (Season 3 Finale)

Toronto. Teenhood. Puberty. Friendships. Filial Piety. Emotions! The movie Turning Red is about a 13-year-old girl who is torn between her duties to walk down the path paved by her ancestors and her desire to find her own path. Kristy and Angie, both of whom happen to have been 13-year-old girls in the early 2000’s, weigh in on the key themes like intergenerational trauma and loss of identity. Turning Red is a gift to the Asian-diaspora community delivered in a shimmery wrapping paper of hope and optimism. 

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Transcript

Kristy Yee: 0:00

holy fuck. That entire one and a half movie was one giant episode of shit we don't tell mom.

Angie Yu: 0:07

Yeah, because there was a lot of things that she didn't tell her mom, and then it piled on and on and on and on, and then exploded. Welcome back to another episode of shit. We don't tell mom this.

Kristy Yee: 0:44

this is Christie

Angie Yu: 0:46

And today is our season three finale. And we're going to be talking about the movie that just came well, we're not going to be just talking about the movie, but we're going to talk about some topics that are very important to us that were covered in the movie, turning red and Chrissy. And I both watched the movie last week. we actually accidentally not even, we serendipitously watched it on the same night without even knowing, like, without knowing in advance. I only found out when I logged onto our Instagram to post something about it on the story and saw that Christie had already posted something. And I was like, oh my God. So I messaged, her right away. I'm like, oh my God, are you watching this? I'm watching it too. I'm going to tell you so many opinions after.

Kristy Yee: 1:33

C R wavelengths are still riding in the same frequency, even though we are in three hour time zone differences apart.

Angie Yu: 1:41

Yes. Yes, we are vibrating at the same gigahertz. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway. so what were your thoughts about the movie? How did you feel during the movie? How did you feel after the movie? How do you feel now?

Kristy Yee: 1:58

okay. Before the movie even started, like before the turning. Oh, by the way, listeners major spoiler alert from here on now. So if you have, so you have not watched the movie come back to this episode after you have watched the movie turning red. Okay. Spoilers begin. So even before the, the scene where it says turning red, you know, where like the title comes on, right? Yeah. Like the one minute before that I was already grinning like crazy, just plastered on my face. And from that moment, it just stayed on for the entire one and a half hours. So that was my foundational. Or your motion was just like this massive grin on my face. And then throughout the movie, during all the different scenes and, and all of the, you know, different story climaxes, I would either be laughing with the grin on my face or crying, like bawling, like, like I'm talking real ball with, with snot and sticky stuff coming out of all sorts of my facial parts.

Angie Yu: 3:21

that's so gross and so sweet at the same time.

Kristy Yee: 3:24

And then, but I still could not stop smiling because of all the thousand and one Easter eggs that have been placed in this movie. And every single one of them made me smile. I've categorized them into three different parts. One is the nostalgia. So the 2002 early two thousands era, then there's the Asian representation. And then. The Canadian culture and every time I see any one of those three, and oftentimes it'd be like every single fucking scene on this storyboard, I would, I would just grin at the representation and just grin at the familiarity of it, you know? And that's why I kept smiling throughout the entire movie. How did I feel afterwards? very emotional nostalgia aside. I think there was a lot of themes that we can relate to and we can touch more on that later in this episode. but it, it made me feel, it made me feel. So few episodes ago in this season, sometimes during the season we had an episode on hanging out with our inner child. And not only did it feel like I was hanging out with her while I was watching this movie, it made me feel like she was crying and I was giving her a hug. Like she was hurt. She was in a place where she was really hurt and had a lot of pain. And there was someone there to hold her that. And I think a lot of the pain represented in the movie without making it feel like this movie is, you know, very sad and depressing because it is totally not, but it has touched on themes that will bring up some of these emotions. And I think part of that is the scariness. When you transition from being a kid to feeling like you're becoming an adult and like the movie set, there's a lot of growing pains that come with that. And I think, I think back to when I was going through those growing pains, it didn't feel like I had a lot of support. Maybe I did, but I just didn't recognize. So I felt lonely. And so now when I watched this movie and I see some of these themes come up and, and they're being represented on TV with someone that looks like me, except the red hair part, it, it felt like I'm allowing myself to revisit that part of my past and then allowing myself to feel comforted. Even though I felt so alone at that time when it happened,

Angie Yu: 6:28

yeah, it's a very complex relationship with the movie that cannot be, cannot be narrowed down to a couple of emotions based on. For me, prior to watching the movie, I saw, you know, there was that, male, white movie reviewer or whatever, where on Twitter, he said that the movie, unlike other Pixar movies, this one was very difficult to relate, unless you're a part of a very specific, narrow slice of society or something like that. And I was like, ah, excuse me. so like with that in mind, it set up the expectation that there were going to be a lot of specificity. Fuck it. It gets specificity. it gave me the idea that there would be a lot of specific things in the movie and like it met. So that really met and exceeded my expectations. So many things that made me go, oh yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Like, you know, those moments you know, we can't talk about this movie without talking about representation without even mentioning the word representation. So like yes, that made me feel super represented. I will say that the part for me that was not as relatable for me. Was when it was about 2002. And when I was mailings age, I was still kind of getting used to life in Canada. So a lot of things that were in the movie I never had, so I never had a Tamagotchi. I don't think I had Tim Horton Timbits until university. there was just all these other things that I didn't really experience when I was that age, which doesn't mean that it makes any bad because you know, I'm not this like white male movie reviewer, that's narrow minded. Like, it's so great for me to see, but on a personal level, it wasn't as relatable for me. I also never listened to boy bands. I never went to a concert. I also didn't really have that many friends, but watching the movie almost helped me relive that part. It made me feel like included.

Kristy Yee: 8:35

Mm.

Angie Yu: 8:37

Like they were my friends, like Miglin and her friends were my.

Kristy Yee: 8:41

Hmm.

Angie Yu: 8:42

And I didn't have friends like that until I got older.

Kristy Yee: 8:47

So it's interesting because in both of our versions, we somehow went back to our own childhood and. Basically like relived mine because I did have a Tamagotchi. I, I am still very into boy bands, like that has not grown out of the, I still live in the early two thousands. I attended my first concert ever in 2003. So basically Malin.

Angie Yu: 9:21

you

Kristy Yee: 9:22

I was 13. I was 13, 2003 attended my first concert saved some money, went to this event without any parents felt like a grownup, you know? And That would have.

Angie Yu: 9:33

must mean so much to you. Like it has so many parallels with your own life and you're living in Toronto right now.

Kristy Yee: 9:39

I know exactly. Okay. So here's the thing like Malin, there's this entire movie. Okay. You're not gonna, you're not gonna relate a hundred percent. That's like not possible. I mean, it is possible, but it's highly unlikely that you're going to be able to feel every single thing that happened and relate to every single detail, right. Because that's mainland's life. And then Angie, this is your life. I'm going to give this a critic. Like, I don't know, two minutes of our time. And then I don't want to talk about him anymore because he does not deserve space on our platform right now.

Angie Yu: 10:14

That's true.

Kristy Yee: 10:15

But I just want to say how fucking, like

Angie Yu: 10:18

rude. How rude

Kristy Yee: 10:23

how privilege it is for this person to feel like every single movie they need to relate to and how threatened. They feel that when the moment somebody else takes the big screen and they don't relate to it, they feel like that shouldn't be on their screen.

Angie Yu: 10:45

Yeah. And that's exactly why it was such a problematic tweet and that's exactly what, everybody on the internet was just like, fuck you, dude.

Kristy Yee: 10:51

it goes without saying that he feels definitely threatened. And the fact that if you, you know, what, I don't even, I don't even want to go into

Angie Yu: 11:05

yeah. Let's not even go to it. Loo it, we, yeah, that's a completely, we're here to focus on us. Not, not this, you know, bozo,

Kristy Yee: 11:16

going back to the movie. Yeah. I felt super heard and validated, and I feel like we should drink every time we say the word relate

Angie Yu: 11:25

relate representation. Nostalgia.

Kristy Yee: 11:30

it's going to come up like 5,000 times in this episode. and yes, all, all those Easter eggs about Toronto. I now live in Toronto. If I had watched this movie in Vancouver, I think I would have still loved it a lot, but maybe like 0.5% less excited than I am now because I see streets that I recognize. Like, I look at Chinatown, I'm like, that's fucking Spadina, you know? And then she's running down the alleyway. I'm like, that looks like Kensington market, you know? And, and it's like, Daisy Mart is a real.

Angie Yu: 12:05

Oh, really? I

Kristy Yee: 12:07

It's not made up. That shit is real. That's the convenience store. It's all over in Toronto. So it's, you know, these little, little things, right. And Skydome is actually called Skydome. Like it's still part of the trunk, Toronto culture, trunk, Toronto, Tony, and you know what, I'm not going to try.

Angie Yu: 12:24

specificity. Oh my God. I actually said it right that time.

Kristy Yee: 12:28

What I really, really tugged at my heartstrings is the Cantonese that was in the movie, not just the chanting, but like the Cantonese speaking. You'll see it in random places. Like when they're watching TV, when Malin and her mom

Angie Yu: 12:45

oh yeah. Watching the Chinese television. Yes.

Kristy Yee: 12:49

Yeah. And there were watching like the, the ancient, dramas, which is exactly what I, yes, the period dramas on my fucking art. I, I, I would binge that shit, you know, and I, I used to watch it on cable. People watch things on cable and hearing Cantonese being spoken. That was really special to me because I think at least for me, it feels like a lot of times when Chinese culture is being represented it a lot of times it's a Mandarin. So when I heard Cantonese, when she's running down Spadina avenue in Chinatown, and you can hear people in the background, speaking Chinese, you can hear the Cantonese on the TV show. You can hear the grandma's saying, say sailor or something like that. S I, why I'm pointing. She's like sailor. And what I also love is when. I like to actually watch movies with subtitles on, so I'm I'm team subtitles and every time they spoke in Cantonese, they would not translate that in the subtitles. It will just say bracket IX, speaking Cantonese, which I really appreciated because I don't know if you've seen the west side story. It's a musical. Okay. So I know we're talking about turning red, but in the west side story, like twenty-five percent of the movie is in Spanish and they do not put subtitles when they are speaking in Spanish. And the reason for that is because the director does not want to like elevate English, like the language as something, you know, more superior, right? It's like, if you understand Spanish, great, if you don't, well, they're speaking Spanish, that's it. And I felt like I don't know what the intention was, but when I saw that all of the Cantonese that was spoken in the movie was. Subtitled or translated at the bottom. It just felt like an extra, you know, oh, here's, here's a little something, something for all you Cantonese speakers out there.

Angie Yu: 14:57

yeah, actually you're right now that I think about, I'm trying to think of a movie in recent times where they spoke Cantonese instead of Mandarin. I can't really think of any like crazy rich, Asian they spoke Mandarin of course, because it was Singapore. And then, In farewell that happened in China. So that's actually, I do appreciate that Domi did that because she is from China and not she's from a Mandarin speaking part of China from actually. So taking a step back from talking about representation, the intergenerational trauma was very, parent and. Important. I'm really glad that that was really highlighted. and it was, it was, it was a theme that I think anybody, maybe not anybody, but I think a lot of people can relate to and also identify right away. Cause I think that interracial, interracial intergenerational trauma in other movies are probably not as, front and forward. It's usually like at the back of the plot, but I think this was like, this was like the apply, you know, like the, the, every generation of women in the family turns into a red Panda. Like that's very generational, right? So it was like very front and center in the movies plot. whereas in most other movies it's kind of in the background, like off the top of my head, crazy rich Asian Kung Fu Panda.

Kristy Yee: 16:23

Shout out to Encanto. What were some points that you felt like the intergenerational trauma was represented well in the movie and whisper was maybe. Represented not as well.

Angie Yu: 16:40

For me personally, the part that was like just right nail on the head kind of kind of a moment was when the mom was like, how could she do this to me?

Kristy Yee: 16:50

Um,

Angie Yu: 16:51

was the most relatable because my mom has said that before. And she has expressed sentiments in that regard before she understood what it's like to not put your own happiness on your kid. Like she's an only child. her parents she's like the center of her parents' world and she has to be this perfect kid and do well with everything because you know, her parents sacrifice so much for her and she's trying to uphold that expectation and trying to deliver. But of course she struggles because that's not who she really is. And that was really relatable for me. and I think the representation of Chinese fathers, because Mailyn's dad was, he was there, but he kind of played a side kick role to the mom. And that was very relatable to me too. I'm not sure about other people because I know how I know I have friends whose, whose, dads played more the primary parent figure. So in this case, like, it's not like when we watch movies based on. Like white people's lives, where the parents are very, like, they're like both reading a book to their child at the same time, which is like, how many families Chinese were not, does that happen to you? Right. so for me that was relatable. Like the one parent really taking on all the responsibility, because I don't think it's because she doesn't trust her husband or that she's bossy. I think she expects that that's her role as a mother and that's expected of her and to be a perfect mother, you have to be like good. They could pick up the helicopter while your kid

Kristy Yee: 18:43

I think you touched a really great point here because it's not just about Malin and her growth, but there's actually a lot of growth from the mother as well. I think there's this one scene towards the end of the movie when Malin and her mom and all the aunties and grandma went to this other dimension

Angie Yu: 19:05

the spirit world.

Kristy Yee: 19:06

yeah, exactly. And they're about to, split their Panda and their human self. And mainland finds her mom as a kid feeling super stressed out saying the same words that Malin had said, feeling all that pressure of trying to be perfect and feeling like she can never live up to her mother's expectations. And clearly that, that was a cyclical moment for Malin too, to even witness. Can you imagine meeting your 13 year old version of.

Angie Yu: 19:50

like, I've heard stories. So I kind of have an idea, but no, I cannot even imagine like 10% of what it was like for her

Kristy Yee: 20:00

and like it, you know, this is all hypothetical unless we have time Turners, but just for a moment, imagine what that would be like. And that amount of empathy and compassion that you will feel after that encounter. With 13 year old mom, we hear it from our parents all the time. Like, I've been young ones, I've been in your shoes, blah, blah, blah. But when you hear that, usually it's like, you know, part of some argument and every time I have one those conversations with my mom, I, my first thought is, well, that was a different generation. Like you were in the other side of the world and no standards were different. Expectations were different, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm like, You cannot say, you cannot say you understand me because we we're, we've grown up in different places. And so basically everything that she said would, would turn into shit, right? Like there's zero credibility. When she says she relates to how I feel when I was 13. So seeing that scene play out actually made me feel a little bit more forgiving to my mum because I'm sure she had a fuck ton of pressures as well. And I think about my, my mom's story and I don't want to go too much into it because that's her story, but she lives. Majority of her youth all the way up into early twenties. Nope. Lie all the way up into her, late thirties, doing all the things that her mom wanted her to do. So my, what my grandma wanted for her. So she lived her life for my grandma. And, and I know it's because grandma wanted the best for her, blah, blah, blah. And then my mom probably unknowingly picked up a lot of these teaching methods and started to expect the same from me. And then I would feel I would hold a lot of grudge against that, especially because I grew up in a different world and I see things a little, I see things differently. And the movie reminded me that there are things that I still need to forgive. My mom.

Angie Yu: 22:26

oh, I think that's exactly why I was like, what I'm hoping that this movie will do slash is doing for a lot of, Mother daughter relationships because it as kids, we always underestimate our parents, we always do. Art podcast name is to under estimate and undermine our parents. But obviously, you know, the listeners, like if this is the only episode you've heard of, like, please go and listen to our other episodes because we respect our parents a lot. And, it's a reverse psychology now what I mean now? I mean,

Kristy Yee: 23:03

Wait, wait to plug some episodes in there.

Angie Yu: 23:05

yeah.

Kristy Yee: 24:07

Okay. This movie though, I have to say, after I finished watching the movie, of course, I'm like giddy. I'm still, you know, bump into four town music. I've already downloading it on Spotify. But my first thought was, holy fuck. That entire one and a half movie was one giant episode of shit. We don't tell mom.

Angie Yu: 24:29

Yeah, because there was a lot of things that she didn't tell her mom, and then it piled on and on and on and on, and then exploded.

Kristy Yee: 24:40

And then it talked about, you know, communication and forgiveness and understanding and growth. And sometimes. Not sometimes in life, we move on, we change and we need to accept that change as part of our growth. And then how do we manage these changes within our relationship? And I think that was beautifully done because at the end it wasn't, it was like, there was some flavors of bittersweetness because both mom and MeiLin still treasure, the times that they had together before mainland, you know, grew up, but also allowing MeiLin to grow up and knowing that those memories that they have together, that's always going to be there. It's always going to be treasured, but moving forward, it's not going to be the same routine anymore. And then accepting that, accepting that. So it's like a bittersweet moment and no matter, I think where you are in terms of your relationship with your mom, there's, there's always going to be some level of change that had happened throughout the years. Like that's inevitable, right? People grow up and your relationship is not going to be the same forever. And some people try to hold on to what it was, but you can't, and the more you try to hold onto it, the more it kind of backfires on you. And so really it's almost a story of letting go and accepting as well.

Angie Yu: 26:25

and now I just want to go and hug my mom. Hmm. I will say that like this movie has also made me feel very lucky in some regard as well. Well, I mean, yes, it has made me feel very lucky because on one side, there's just so much wholesomeness in our community, you know, like in the whole Asian American, community, just everyone is just wanting to. Really get in touch with those, with like that more vulnerable side of ourselves. And we're really lucky that we're in a generation that's doing that. I think like, Relationship with my mom has gotten to a very healthy place and I have forgiven her for a lot of things. And of course she's given forgiven me because she is my mother. and she has learned to set boundaries, learn to take step back, learn to understand me. And I've learned to understand her and everything you're saying that you want to forgive your mom and you want to just see her side more. It is really hard to do that when the other person doesn't reciprocate. And I think I only got so far with my mom because she has been very good at reciprocating that sort of a respect and willingness to grow.

Kristy Yee: 27:46

I do agree in some way that you need both parties to be available, to have proper communication, to do this work of growth and, and either building or fixing a relationship. But I also think that forgiveness can come from one side. I can choose to forgive people, whether it's my mom or friends or whomever on my own and on my own terms without having the other person involved, because forgiveness means that I had something I was holding on to some sort of a grudge. And it's, it's up to me to let that grudge go. When I'm at the beginning of the movie, the friends were like, Hey, let's go. Karaoke thing, blah, blah, blah. And then millions like, oh, I can't, you know, it's cleaning day. And the friends are like, oh, but it's cleaning day every day. Now, if we played the stereotypical trope, mainland would be very upset. Right. She would have wanted to go to karaoke. She would have been like, I fucking hate chores. Why does my mom force me to do this? I hate my mom. I hate my life. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right now I'm not saying she doesn't have some of those feelings because of course she wants to go karaoke with her friends, but she also enjoys cleaning. She's straight up, said it in the movie. She's like, but I like cleaning.

Angie Yu: 29:16

Yeah. And she

Kristy Yee: 29:17

I like exactly. She likes hanging out with her mom and she likes doing all those things and, and the way that they depicted it in the movie, they're having fun. Like. You know, it's like such a, a team work for them when they are managing the temple together. When they're cleaning together, when they're sharing stories, when they're, you know, doing their customer service, like it's none of that is yes, of course it's work, but it's, they're not doing it begrudgingly. Right? Like they're, they're having a good time while doing that. So, so I really loved that. They, that, that's how they tell the story of mainland. And her mom is that they don't have this like super strained relationship where one hates the other and one dominates the other. No, it's, it's in some way, it's pretty healthy. They high-fived each other at the end of the temple tour. And that was so sweet for me because I'm like, I would have, my mom was not cool like that she would not have high-fived me, you know? And, and I thought that. Really nice. And it made us feel like, oh, any negative feelings mainland may have about mom or just the negative feelings about growing up is very, is muted and in the background. And I think that is so realistic because a lot of us, I don't think we like hate our parents. You know, we love them. We do the things that we do because we love them. But also like we're not oppressed by our parents is what I'm trying to say.

Angie Yu: 31:00

Yeah, we're not, we're not oppressed. Like they make us seem to be in some movies with the tiger mom trope. And they show a vulnerable side to her, which they don't with, like tiger mom, tropes and other movies.

Kristy Yee: 31:15

And like mainly and enjoys math, right? Like she's like having a good time doing her math homework, you know, like, it's not like, oh, my mom forced me to do this. And like, I got to be here. Like, it just seems like that's part of her life. And I'm sure, you know, when, when we were in school, there's going to be some subjects that you had truly enjoyed and maybe they were viewed as like, like, oh, you're, you're trying to achieve academically for your parents. But no, it's also because like, I, I enjoy school.

Angie Yu: 31:52

yeah,

Kristy Yee: 31:52

I enjoy doing these things. I'm good at these things, you know, like,

Angie Yu: 31:56

Yeah. That was a, that was very relatable for me was one her flute case. Cause I played

Kristy Yee: 32:01

Oh my God. Yes.

Angie Yu: 32:05

also I did really well in math and French. That was very relatable. Yeah. Some was.

Kristy Yee: 32:13

Yeah, not relatable for me, although I did play the clarinet,

Angie Yu: 32:17

Yeah, I know we were in band before you went to choir. You were at bandwidth for one I one time.

Kristy Yee: 32:25

that is correct. I was at band and at one point, yes.

Angie Yu: 32:30

Okay. Anyway,

Kristy Yee: 32:31

that's, that's just like I wanted, I really wanted to point that out that the, you know, tiger mom trope was not depicted in this movie and it showed a way more realistic relationship between a mom and daughter.

Angie Yu: 32:46

yes. Much more realistic for us, at least I'm sure there are still people, whose parents are, you know, very trope ESC,

Kristy Yee: 32:59

Oh Yes. I mean, they exist for a reason.

Angie Yu: 33:03

Yes, exactly. The key takeaway here is that they gave. the Chinese mom, a 3d character, sh you know, they gave her an arc. They gave her personality and she is her own person. The mom is her own person in this movie.

Kristy Yee: 33:24

exactly. And, and we had kind of talked about that earlier, too. Where at this movie? Yes, of course. It's centered around Malin. She's a protagonist. She goes through this like growth and change and then acceptance afterwards. But soda's mom, mom also went through a stage of growth and change and acceptance at the end of the movie.

Angie Yu: 33:46

one other thing that I just got reminded me of that I really liked is that there were no cheesy love story or love

Kristy Yee: 33:55

Oh, yes. Oh my God. Oh my God. Let's just

Angie Yu: 33:59

just

Kristy Yee: 33:59

around of applause.

Angie Yu: 34:01

everything is about boys. Okay. Like when we were that age. Yes. A lot of things were about boys, but not everything was about boys.

Kristy Yee: 34:07

Okay. Here's the thing like, I, what I really liked is the way that they did represent boys, because, you know, she was like obsessed with that guy from the Daisy Mart, Devin. And then later in school, she sees this other kid, right. And he like flips his hair and she's all like Google Gaga on it. And, and I think just that, where she switches so quickly, it's like, when you're going through puberty, you're going to notice boys. And you're going to notice a lot of boys and you're going to

Angie Yu: 34:40

boys, you don't have so many crushes and your crush is going to change every three months. Like it's going to, your crusher is going to think to the moon cycle, you know,

Kristy Yee: 34:49

And I think that I love that. That's how they, had boys in the movie and they didn't develop any romantic story at all. And the only time that boys show up is how she notices different boys at different times, but so quickly, because that's what happens when you go through puberty, you notice these things and you feel a lot of things. And like you said, there's all these crushes and a lot of, a lot of emotions. And then you have like sexy thoughts, but then you're 13, but you have sexy thoughts anyways. And I love that. She actually said that like, may Lynn, she said the word sexy thoughts. And, and she was like, huh, like why, why am I having me?

Angie Yu: 35:36

Yeah, I don't want to have them. Yeah. She thought it was like a disease.

Kristy Yee: 35:40

And then, you know, When she was drawing at one point, she was drawing all these pictures of Devin. She just like allowed herself to see what's going to happen. So she allowed herself to explore this new side of her. And how was that? Is just that's puberty. she's happening to me, what the fuck's going on. And then she gets to learn from that. Right.

Angie Yu: 36:01

Yeah. And also the other guy that ended up being their friend that was kind of bullying, Malin or picking on her, I was like, please don't let him turn into a love interest. And he didn't. And I was like, yes, thank God. Because that's also such a trope to, you know, like, just cause like he bullied you a bit doesn't mean that something has to bloom from it. And it's probably not very healthy, you

Kristy Yee: 36:24

exactly. It probably shouldn't be dating all your bullies.

Angie Yu: 36:27

yeah. that's the thing, though. It has been such a big trope, oh, like you're off to a rough start, but then you end up falling in love and that's just not healthy, you know? Yeah,

Kristy Yee: 36:36

no, I love that. I love that he actually became one of the girlfriends and he became, a fellow for townie, you know?

Angie Yu: 36:45

Yes. That was one other thing that I think they did a really good job. Even though it's not my favorite movie it's a movie that I can really, really appreciate.

Kristy Yee: 36:57

Yeah. And I think you don't, you don't have to be a Chinese Canadian to appreciate this movie. You don't even have to be Asian to appreciate this movie, right? Because intergenerational trauma is everywhere. Like there's no racial boundaries to that. Growing up, going through puberty. is no racial boundaries to that. so I think, you know, all these, all these things will make the movie really relatable I could probably talk about this a lot, a lot more, but I, I won't, but, listeners, if you enjoy turning red, as much as either of us did, but especially as much as I did. I want to read, a few quotes from the movie that I thought. Pretty meaningful.

Angie Yu: 37:46

okay,

Kristy Yee: 37:47

house. the first one, which is at the beginning of the movie, Malin says, I'm finally figuring out who I am, but I'm scared it's taking me away from you. And she's talking, she's speaking specifically about her mom, which again, like we were saying is part of that, being scared of change, being scared of growth. And when the movie opened with that, I'm like, yep. I'm going to like this one. I don't know where this one came from, but it goes, we all have a messy, weird. But a lot of us don't let it come out.

Angie Yu: 38:24

I remember that quote.

Kristy Yee: 38:27

I think it actually represents a lot about what we do on this podcast is, is being vulnerable and allowing ourselves to feel all sides of us and giving ourselves the space to have negative emotions, negative thoughts, and, you know, and process things, process trauma, be uncomfortable, all these like things that are typically represented as icky or yucky that we try to hide away or even just the weird parts of us. don't want to show other people because we're afraid to be judged in our podcast. We want to embrace all of those sides and we want to welcome all of these uncomfortable feelings because only then can we truly feel comfortable about who we are and our own skin. And so that quote really solidified the idea that this movie is a giant shit we don't tell mom episode.

Angie Yu: 39:27

I remember you saying that to me. And I was like, oh my God. Yeah, totally. Cause that's, that's what we're here to try to do. Right. Talk about these things and improve the overall collective mental health of our community, which is what I think that this movie has contributed to has really, really given, like a big platform to the fact that like, Hey, like there are people like us that are struggling with this type of stuff. We're not just your typical immigrant, you know, those Asians over there. Like we have our own stories too. And I really happy that it's getting a bigger audience because a lot of kids are gonna watch this and they're probably not going to be just Chinese kids. And then their parents who probably never would have watched a movie out of their comfort zone, like this would watch it too.

Kristy Yee: 40:21

We had such a, emotional and We had such a reaction to this movie, I think not just as quote unquote kids, but I think any parent would also be able to have a reaction for the mom and have the compassion and empathy and understanding of where the mom's coming from as well. out of my 5,000 quotes, I will end with one that was similar to the second one because let's, let's be all feel good. See about this. And this one actually came from the dad and the dad said. The dad said, people have all kinds of sides to them and some are messy. The point is not to push it away.

Angie Yu: 41:11

Yeah, I really love that quote. And I just loved that. He showed the video to Malin was like, like, I like this version of you. You're funny. And that, that level of acceptance shows a lot of love from her dad. So all, all, you know, just a lot of good feelings

Kristy Yee: 41:33

so basically the takeaway from this episode is go watch turning red if you haven't already. But I really, truly hope you, you already did, because by the end of this episode, we just ruined everything for you.

Angie Yu: 41:48

Oh yeah. That's true. They listen to this. They we're like, we just told them everything in the movie, but go watch. But

Kristy Yee: 41:56

but I hope everybody who has listened all the way to the end already did watch it. And I hope, you know, you would, keep supporting the movie by watching it again, because we need to continue to have these stories being told. Right. And not just, not just because of the Asian representation, although that felt really good because Angie and I are Chinese and we're from Canada and this story speaks about a Chinese Canadian girl, but also like just, it's more demand for different stories that we haven't, that we didn't grow up with. Right. No matter what, race or religion or sexuality or whatever, whatever time period as well, like we need to have more stories that weren't told as much.

Angie Yu: 42:38

yeah, yeah. That's right.

Kristy Yee: 42:41

And that's it for season three.

Angie Yu: 42:43

Yeah. Oh my goodness. That's it for season three. we hope you enjoyed the season and as always send us a Instagram message or an email, or leave us an audio message. You can check that out on our website and we'd love to hear what you would like to hear more of in season four.

Kristy Yee: 43:06

also Spotify. You can now rate podcasts, which is awesome. So if you're listening on Spotify right now, and we're approaching the end of the episode, just open your app and click, whatever number of stars you choose to give us. And if you're listening on apple podcast, you can also go ahead and open up your app and give us whatever amount of stars you would like to give us. Because that we are told really helps spread our show to more people. And if you like what we have to say, and if you enjoy and appreciate the work that we put into this podcast, then please rate us on your podcast platforms. And we will see you in season four.

Angie Yu: 43:53

Bye.

Kristy Yee: 43:53

See you, like they can see us.

Angie Yu: 43:57

We'll see you metaphorically in

Kristy Yee: 44:00

We will be in your ears in season four. Somebody bind you.

Angie Yu: 44:40

Oh, oh my God. You scared me. Okay. It's just Evie.