How to Make Breastfeeding Easier

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Things we talked about:

Abby tells her bottle story [6:04]

No one tells you how to do it [8:16]

Waiting a couple weeks to pump/bottle feed [10:03]

No more than four [11:06]

Picking a bottle [13:56]

Slow flow nipples and a word from capitalism [15:56]

Is bottle feeding harder than breastfeeding?  The science behind it [20:08]

Feeding is trust [25:17]

Paced bottle feeding [27:51]

*This Episode is sponsored by Original Sprout and Niki’s Natural Wipes

Links to information we discussed or episodes you should check out!

https://www.diannecassidyconsulting.com/2014/04/19/is-bottle-feeding-really-easier-for-babies-than-breastfeeding/

https://www.diannecassidyconsulting.com/2021/06/08/the-benefits-of-paced-bottle-feeding/

https://badassbreastfeedingpodcast.com/episode/071-overfeeding-paced-bottle-feeding/

https://badassbreastfeedingpodcast.com/episode/bottles-versus-breast/

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Transcript

dianne (00:00):

Hey, welcome to the badass Breastfeeding podcast. This is Dianne, your lactation consultant.

abby (00:25):

and I'm Abby, the badass breastfeeder and today's episode is brought to you by original sprout. Original sprout carries safe, effective, and pediatrician, tested shampoos, conditioners, styling, and body care products produced and packaged in the USA. And today's episode is also brought to you by Niki's natural wipes. The first all natural baby wipes made with menuca honey and coconut oil. Um, we'll hear more from our sponsors later, but these sponsors make this podcast possible. So please head to badassbreastfeedingpodcast.com and check out our sponsor page and see if you can give any of our sponsors your business. Um, and while you're there, you can scroll down and enter your email address and get episodes sent straight to your inbox every Monday. And now Dianne has our review of the week.

dianne (01:12):

and it comes from iTunes. And this comes from Mia Fields who says that she is a first-time mom due June 29th. So coming up! With a little boy, I'm glad I found this podcast to help me be as full, as informed as possible before my breastfeeding journey even begins. Also, I love the down to earth, realistic way you guys deliver information. Thank you so much, Mia, for putting this on iTunes for us and for tuning in and listening and getting all your info and your baby is coming pretty soon! Congratulations!

abby (01:48):

Congratulations. Let us know how it goes.

dianne (01:50):

I was just going to say that, let us know what happens and how everything goes. We'd love to hear from you again, and thank you so much for the reviews. We get them, we read them, we love them, and we pick for our reviews of the week. So you can go ahead and put them on iTunes for us. If you want to, or you can send us an email and that's, that's all I got.

abby (02:11):

Cool. So today we're going to listen up because this is a really great to this episode is going to be great for if you are pregnant. Yes. I mean, it's always great, but like, you're going to be doing some, probably doing some catch-up or maybe some rearranging or some reassessing, if you are, um, currently breast or chest feeding or bottle feeding or, or anything, whatever you're doing, we're going to be sharing some tips to make things a little easier for you. And yeah, hopefully you get it already when you're pregnant, but who does that?

dianne (02:45):

Nobody, but that's like the first thing on my list. I don't know if that's on your list.

abby (02:50):

What do it, when you're pregnant?

dianne (02:51):

No, to just like, get more information while you're pregnant, you know, like to make breastfeeding easier is to really look for that information while you're pregnant. And I'm saying that because I do a lot of prenatal breastfeeding classes and I have been doing prenatal breastfeeding classes for like 15 years. The majority of families that I meet in prenatal, breastfeeding classes have not done any breastfeeding prep. They're focused on the baby. They're focused on childbirth or yes, that's what they're focusing on.

abby (03:21):

So the birth feels like such a huge, and it is, it's such a huge event to get through that. The rest of it seems like that is just like, not the important thing right now. The important thing is just like, am I going to make it through this birth? Scared. I don't know what to expect. I know I'm going to lose total control of my body or the people around me going to respect my body. And it's so scary. I remember that very thing. I had no time for anything else, because I was so worried about birth,

dianne (03:54):

right. Me too. Yep. So if you can, if you can do it so you can make yourself read a little bit about breastfeeding or listen to a podcast or jump onto a Facebook group or something like that, where you can find some support just to get a little information.

abby (04:14):

Well, yeah. And if you only have, if you only have the bandwidth to do one thing, just look up a local lactation consultant, send them an email, give them a call or whatever, and be like, Hey, I'm going to have a, a, a baby soon. Like, I don't have time to deal with you right now, or to do any of that. I just want you to know that, like I might be calling you or a definitely call. Like, I want you to know that I'll be calling you and then have that number for when, after you give birth, after you make it after it's all said and done, have somebody to call.

dianne (04:46):

Yeah. I have people that do that with me all the time. They'll send me an email to be like, Hey, I'm just, you know, kind of getting all my ducks in a row. I want to make sure I have everybody lined up. I don't know if I'm going to need you, but I just want to, you know, find out how you work, where your consults are, how you would see me, you know, like just to kind of like get all the information about how, how it would go. Um, and I think that's great. I think that's a great thing to do. Just to kind of like, then you can just check it off your list, you know, just to be prepared. Yes. That's important.

abby (05:21):

Yeah. Um, yes. So do that. Um, another thing, this is my favorite thing, and this is, well, this is gonna, this is gonna be a lot of me talking, so are you ready?

dianne (05:31):

Are we ready? Is everybody ready? Everybody get ready!

abby (05:36):

Push, pause, fill up your coffee, whatever, because I'm going to talk about a nursing station creating a nursing station.

dianne (05:43):

Oh yeah!!

abby (05:45):

Which is how the idea of this episode started. I was like, can we do a whole episode on nursing station? Like, I don't know if that'll take up the whole time. And then Dianne was like, why don't we just do a whole thing about making breastfeeding easier? And then we can add all the other things in,

dianne (05:57):

because I think you did a didn't you do a Facebook live or something.

abby (06:00):

Yes. I did a Facebook live where I did some research on like what people are putting in their nursing stations and then made one. And then I showed everybody on Facebook and it was really fun. And while I was doing it, I was just like, oh my God, this is amazing. I never did this. I wish I had, I hope everybody does this. I just want to tell everyone about it. So I'm going to tell you all about it.

dianne (06:25):

No, this is cool.

abby (06:26):

I know. So, so the, I, I, my favorite thing is, cause because you can use different things to hold things, but the best thing to use is one of those rolly cart things. Um, and when I said that, people weren't sure what I was talking about. So, so we'll put a picture of one on badassbreastfeedingpodcast.com, but I'll describe it. You've probably seen it. If you ever go to like Michael's craft store or like, I think they have them at Ikea, it's like a cart on wheels. It's small. And it's got like three levels of like a basket, like baskets, like a top basket, a middle basket and a bottom basket. And it's all connected on the side and it rolls. Do you know what I'm talking about?

dianne (07:09):

I do.

abby (07:09):

Okay. Yes. So yeah, a lot of people were saying that they see them at Michaels. Um, I think like all the, I don't know if you have like an Aldi around you sometimes they'll have them in their little, like non-food item aisle. Oh yeah. Um, but that's the best kind because it rolls. And then you can just pull all of your stuff around, like from your favorite chair over to the bed at night or whatever, um, wherever you go. Um, but I also, I also suggest having like a favorite chair having like a really comfortable chair that no one's allowed to sit in, you know, get all Archie Bunker about it. This is my nursing chair. Don't you know, you can't sit here, don't move the pillows, don't mess it all up and have a spot that's just like really comfortable for you and make that you know your nursing chair. And so in this rolly cart, you're like, oh, I can think of some things to put in there. Yeah. Well, listen up because I got some great ideas and by the time I was done, the thing was filled and it was like, I was like, I don't even want to empty this. Now. I just want to keep this. The Rollie card is my kids. So I had to empty all my stuff out. But if it wasn't, I would just kept everything in there. Cause it's so cool. So first put in, get a bunch of snacks. And when I say snacks, I mean one handed snacks, right? Because that's easier. So like your granola bars, your fruit, your trail mix, your nuts, whatever you can get, um, stick it in there. And you know, I don't know if this happens to anybody else, but like if I, if I'm awake in the middle of the night, my body gets really hungry. I think it's just like, wait a minute. We're not sleeping. So you need to be feeding me. Eat. You need to eat. If you start to feel like hungry in the middle of the night. And you're just like, well, it's the middle of the night. I'm not going to eat. You know? Cause everybody wants to start starving themselves back to a size two after they have a baby. Fuck that shit. Eat. No, you need to just eat and put the food in your body. Okay. Then also water have like a bottle of water have like, um, a reusable, whatever coffee mug. You can even get like a, these usually plug in. So this wouldn't help. But my mom has one of those like mug warmers you put in there and keep it warm. Or you can use like one of those travel things that will keep your cup stuff hot. Cause I have to use that. Like I, no matter if I'm traveling, I have to keep it at home because I can't, I forget that I have it. And then it's cold. And then I microwave at six times and who knows what that's doing to my body. And then yeah. So then a book and a book light.

dianne (09:37):

Oh, good idea.

abby (09:38):

So I know, and it can be any book you can read about your baby. You can also read like trash, trash is fun, whatever. Yeah. Don't, you know, just read whatever is like fun for you, ear buds and then your phone and your charger. Cause you know, you need your phone too. And if you have, if you're leaking, you know, you can, you get a milk saver and have that in there. Nipple cream, your nursing pads, your glasses. Cause you know, I don't know about you, but I lose my glasses all the time. Just that'll be your new glasses spot. That's where they always are. Don't put them down unless it's in there and then vitamins and supplements. Anything that you're taking, keep it in there. And then I was doing it by shelf. So that was my top shelf. And then my middle shelf. Yeah. It all fits. It's swear to God it fits all this small little stuff. Um, chapstick too.

dianne (10:37):

Mm good one.

abby (10:38):

Um, a hair tie. Good one if you have long hair, because where do those go? Right. Um, and then diapers, wipes. We'll hear about Niki's wipes too, which you can also rub all of your baby, the Niki's wipes. You can just like shove it everywhere anywhere, you know, like just like put it on their face and whatever, um, a changing pad or a towel. So you can just change wherever you are. Um, a little blanket if it's cold. Um, you know, if you use burp cloths or pre-folds for like wiping stuff up, we used, we cloth diapered and we use the pre-folds and with Jack and Jack's going to be 10 and we still have them. Oh, we just use them as kitchen towels. They last this whole time, um, massage oil, if you want to give your baby a massage, the remote, which is yours now. Um, and then on the bottom shelf you can put your pump and you can fit, um, a nursing pillow in there too. If you use one of those and get up on your, you know, get on your phone and like subscribe to all your favorite podcasts, all your favorite shows. So you have it all like lined up right there. And um, that's my nursing station. See that's I mean, it didn't take up that much time.

dianne (11:55):

No, I have a couple of things to add though. I was thinking, what about baby nail Clippers?

abby (12:00):

Oh yeah. Or your teeth.

dianne (12:04):

or you can do that too. Yeah. Um, and what about a notepad and a pen?

abby (12:10):

Oh yeah. I always text myself stuff, but yeah.

dianne (12:12):

I thought you used to just write it on your hand.

abby (12:15):

Oh yeah. I did. I used to write it on my hand. Yeah. Now I just, I don't know why I don't do that anymore. Yeah. I kind of stopped doing that now. I texted it to myself. I'm the, I'm the person. I'm the person I text with the most.

dianne (12:25):

Are you really? Oh my God. I love it. That's hilarious.

abby (12:28):

I'm always at the top. Cause I've always the last person I've texted with.

dianne (12:31):

Oh my God. I tend to write stuff down, but I never thought about texting myself. So maybe I should just do that. Um, I have like have paper and pens like everywhere. So if you're one of those people that you're like, think of something and you're like, oh my God, I gotta write that down. Then having a pen and paper somewhere on that,

abby (12:50):

maybe need to pass somebody a note, you know, like your partner, you need to help me. Shove it up your ass. You're an asshole. No, we've all been there. Don't don't worry.

dianne (13:03):

We've all been there. Yeah. It's okay. You can do that. But, um, you also might a couple of other things I thought of, if you have other kids, like maybe a toddler.

abby (13:16):

put them in the cart.

dianne (13:16):

maybe have a couple of snacks for them or have like a book or, you know, something like that for them so that you can, um, keep them busy while you're nursing and they can be with you all here. Would you like a snack? Cause you know, you sit down to nurse your baby and your three-year-old is going to be like, I want a snack

abby (13:39):

yeah. That's the other thing that I have a whole section of that, of like the older children.

dianne (13:44):

Oh, you do on the cart?

abby (13:47):

Yeah. Well, no, on a whole separate subject of just dealing with the older kids. I mean just of the section of this episode.

dianne (13:54):

Oh perfect. Then let's do it.

abby (13:57):

Yeah. Okay. Since we're into, right. Because, um, that was with, when I'm in, I first had Jack, I mean, it was, you know, having in hindsight, it was a little easier because I could just sit on the couch with him all day and like, I didn't have to worry about entertaining anybody else. But then when I had Exley, then I had Jack to entertain and one, I had a friend. So in my other suggestion is, um, a meal train. Do you know those things? You can go on like mealtrain.com or something and somebody can set up a meal train for you and then they share it. And then like people in your neighborhood or your friends and family can all schedule a time and they drop a meal off at your house. You can even have them drop it. You can have to do them, just drop it on the front porch or whatever. Yeah. Um, and that was really helpful. And somebody did that for me when I had Exley and a friend of mine, this this person like completely changed the way I think about things. When she came over, she came over and she brought her meal and then she had like a big bag and in the bag was a bottle of wine and a bunch of shit for Jack, like a little water. Wow. And some like, you know, fruit roll-ups or like something like that for him. And I was like, oh my God, like, you're the first person who's actually ever thought of like dealing with the older kid too, making them ha you know, and then he was like, he got a gift and you know, he was just like, oh wow. You know, he got stuff for himself too, because you gotta, you know, you got to understand what these older kids too. Like they, we know that we love them and we know that we're doing our best and we're giving the most attention as we can. But like, they're still feeling it. Like they're feeling this intense, like new experience and sometimes feeling left out or jealous or just like the attention isn't all on them anymore. And that's totally normal. You're not doing anything wrong. That's just like a totally normal thing. Um, so, you know, before, you know, of course we always say before and do it when you're, when you're pregnant, but like nobody gets their shit together that quickly. Um, but if you can, at any point go to the store, see if you can have like some alone time with them and pick out like, this also works well, if you're trying to create boundaries with them too, you know, breastfeeding boundaries, if you want to try to get them to like drop a nursing session or something like that, get some like new snacks, snacks they never had before. Like, you know, I mean, they make all these kids health, all this stuff healthy now, you know, the Annie's makes those little like gummy those, like, um.

dianne (16:39):

my 18yr old loves those. My daughter

abby (16:42):

There's no food dye in them. Right. So you can, they're awesome. You can just, you know, get those, my kids always love those. Um, and then, you know, the snacks and like some little like activities, like those water Wows by Melissa and Doug are great things to like entertain them. Um, and don't, you know, this is another thing where, where, when you have a new baby, you're still in the mindset of just having that one child where you can like, spend all the energy of like making sure they have the healthiest food and making sure all of this about them. But now you have a new baby. You can't like hang onto both of these worlds at the same time right now. So you got to let it go. Here's the big thing you got to let it go. They're going to be fine. Yeah. Let them have the sugary snacks for awhile. A couple. You know, if you're worried about it, then just have it a couple of times a day, or it's a special time during the day where they get their thing,

dianne (17:35):

let them watch the TV.

abby (17:37):

That's the other thing that I was about to get into is let go of all of your screen time obsessions, let them watch TV, let them play with the tablet, let them do the video games, depending on how old they are. You know, if they're older, just like, just let them, I remember when I, I don't know. I feel like I've told this story before, but Nancy Mohrbacher came over. When I had Exley was in my new baby and she like handed Jack her phone and was like here, you know, mind up some game that her grandkids play. And she looks, she looks at me and she was like, I hope that you're letting him do this stuff because this is what it's for. And I was like, oh my God. Yes, exactly. That's what it's for. Like, it's literally what it was designed for is to like entertain them. So just use it, use it.

dianne (18:26):

You're surviving right now. It's survival mode.

abby (18:28):

Yeah. And you know, I'm sorry, but they're, they're going to be fine. Yeah. Reading all the frightening headlines about like, oh, screen time made my child a serial killer. No, no, no, no. That's not. What did it?

dianne (18:41):

No, it's totally okay.

abby (18:45):

Yeah. So I've been talking a lot. Oh my God. We should take a break for some capitalism.

dianne (18:49):

Yeah. Let's take our capitalism break.

abby (18:53):

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dianne (21:14):

It Me.

abby (21:16):

Me, me,

dianne (21:19):

my kids always say that. My kids always say It Me. My daughter always says that- it me,

abby (21:27):

is that what the kids are saying these days?

dianne (21:28):

Yeah. They got some awesome, fun, little things that they're saying. But yeah, it, me.

abby (21:32):

I used to be up on that when I was working with the teenagers.

dianne (21:36):

Oh, you gotta be, but my step-daughter is 37 and whenever she comes over, she'll ask my daughter like, all right, what are the new things that I'm missing out on? And Jessica will tell her. She'll be like, I'm so old. I'm so old now So one of the things that I thought of when you were talking about that, when you mentioned the meal train, I had a client recently who her, she just had her first baby and her parents live in a different state. So, you know, which is the case for a lot of people now, you know, your family lives somewhere else. They set up for her a laundry service.

abby (22:15):

Oh my God!

dianne (22:18):

all she's gotta do is put her shit in a bag. They send it back washed and folded. I'm like, that is the best gift I've ever heard of.

abby (22:25):

Oh My God. That's the nicest, freaking thing I think I've ever heard in my life. Oh my God. I got to add that to my list of my brain.

dianne (22:32):

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant gift to send somebody.

abby (22:36):

that is truly amazing. And you don't like... They probably just set it up for what, like three months or something. You don't have to set it up for life.

dianne (22:44):

No, that's what I said. I'm like, how long do you have that? And the dad was like, they said through the end of the year. And I was like, that's amazing, but you probably can pick like a month or two months or whatever,

abby (22:54):

because it's those first few months that are just like insane.

dianne (22:57):

Yeah. Like that's a fantastic, fantastic gift.

abby (23:02):

Yeah. Do that. Everybody.

dianne (23:04):

That's that's way better than a fruit basket. So seriously. Yeah. Yeah. You can. Oh yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. Like I remember when I had, I think it was when I had my twins, um, my cousin gifted me like three months of diapers that would just come on auto delivery, which was really nice. Yeah. Yeah.

abby (23:23):

Because then you don't have to store them cause like giving some like three months of diapers is great gift, but like who can store all that? Yeah. I mean some people can, the same people that were like hoarding all the toilet paper, I suppose they can.

dianne (23:34):

Exactly. Yeah.

abby (23:35):

I, can't not in my condo in Chicago now.

dianne (23:38):

I know I couldn't either. So it was nice to, and then I didn't have to worry about it. They just showed up, you know, cause it was on auto delivery and I know that there's lot of places that do that now, so that's a great gift to, to do for somebody.

abby (23:50):

So yeah. You probably also have, if you have like a neighborhood, I know that I, I think most neighborhoods have this now, like a neighborhood Facebook group. Yeah. Do you have that? Like, I don't know. We have, like, I live in, uh, I live in Chicago in a neighborhood called Rogers Park and we have like, there's actually a bunch, but it's like obviously big shitty, oops, big, big, city. But like my, just my individual neighborhood has a group and people are always posting like, you know, stuff, but you can either that or ask around hire hire a teen, like a teen in the neighborhood who can just come over and like take the garbage out. Um, maybe run to Starbucks and get you a coffee. Um, entertain your toddler, entertain the toddler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or take the toddler down to the park for a little while if you know, or even out in the back or even just in the house. That's what I used to do. Um, my kids were like not into babysitters and people would, I hired somebody and she would just hang out in the same room with me, but I would be like working on the computer. Yeah. Yeah. And they could do like any, you know, they can do anything you want them to do and they're teens, so they're cheaper and it's not, it's not like a, you know, it's not like a complicated, you know, you don't need anything, anybody to do anything complicated. You just some of those daily tasks. Um, and then when you have visitors, I really want, I really want people to be comfortable asking people to do things and also saying yes, when people offer. Cause a lot of times people offer the like, Hey, can I take the garbage out before I leave? Or you know, wipe up the bathroom or like whatever. And the people like, no, no, no. It's okay. No, no, just say yes. Right.

dianne (25:33):

Or if you know, somebody is coming over, he can be like, Hey, can you pick up a couple of things at the store for me, if you need something, you know? Like they want to help you.

abby (25:41):

People want to help. Yeah. And it really is a lot easier for people. If you just tell them what you need, nobody is like really? I mean, I'm sure everybody has that family member that's or somebody who's just like, not helpful. But most people are very helpful and most people really want to help, but like, they don't know what to do because people, net, we have this, like, it's like a cultural something where like, you know, it's like, no, no, no you're coming into my house. I'm going to entertain you. Like I don't need help. I'll do it myself. And do you need any help? No, no, no. It's okay.

dianne (26:17):

I have actually had people tell me that. Cause I'll usually ask, do you have help at home right now? Especially, you know, like, especially if, well, I asked that regardless, but like C-section deliveries where you're not supposed to be doing a lot. Um, or if you have other children, you know, I'm like, do you have help at home? And I have had people tell me, you know what? I did have some people, you know, like my family came over or whatever, but it's, it's not helpful because I end up having to just wait on them and I'm like, no, that's not okay. Put a list on the refrigerator so that people, if they come over, but then you don't even have to tell them to do something. They can look at the list and be like, oh, you need your floor swept. Sure. I'll do that for you. You need a little laundry thrown in. Sure. I'll do that before I leave,

abby (27:03):

no, this is actually something that's floating around the internet, Google it. I don't even know. Maybe we can find it and put it in the show notes, but it's like somebody created a chore list for new parents or something and it's, and you can print it out. And it says like there's a list of things. And when people come in the door, they rip one off and they check a box of the one that they're going to do, you know, take the laundry out, load the dishwasher, whatever. Um, and they check, you know, in order to come in and visit, you have to check off one of the boxes of the things that you're going to do while you're here. That's awesome. It's really cool. Yeah. And I, I really, really wish people would. And it's fun. It's like fun to come in and like pick a chore, you know? It's like, yeah. You know, it adds like something interesting to it. And um, I really wish people would get more comfortable doing this. And so a couple more things, um, if you are a cloth diapering diaper family, which we were too, just take a break, if you have, especially if you have a new baby, when the new baby comes, it's okay to take a break for a few weeks or a month or whatever. Like the planet will not die because of you. I promise the planet might die, but it won't be because of you. It won't be because it won't be your fault. I promise. Just take a break. It's a lot. It's a lot. I mean, I know I cloth diapers. So I know when people say like, you know, it's cloth diapers too hard. Like I understand what we, as the cloth diaper, people are like, that's not true. Like diapering can be very easy. It's true. It can. But also when you have a new baby, it can add just an extra layer of things that you're doing. So just take a break. It's fine. The other thing you can take a break from is fricking dishes. And again, environmentalists are going to be like very mad at me for saying this, but prom, I promise you, it's not these things that are killing the planet, have some paper plates and you know, disposable utensils around for when you just don't have time. That day or things are just too crazy things or whatever. You can just have a meal and then throw it all away. Just make it easy on yourself. Have the option to make it easier on yourself on a day that you need it. It's okay.

dianne (29:12):

You know, it would be even better if people dropped off a meal to you that they included the paper plates. So it's like mindless.

abby (29:20):

That would be really cool. Actually, you know what would be even cooler. Let's see if we can keep topping each other. If they dropped off one handed meals. Oh, if they created a meal that you could eat with your one hand, I mean, that was still, you still need a plate, so include the plate, but you can, maybe somebody could create like a nice tight like chicken wrap or something, or like you know get creative. People can get creative with the one handed meals. That'd be awesome. So, yeah. Um, let's see, what else do I have? I'm looking at my list.

dianne (29:58):

Um, one of the things that I have is actually about the feeds and breastfeeding on demand like that, that takes a lot of guesswork out of everything. Like, don't worry about the time. Don't worry about the schedules. Don't worry about the apps that monitor every little thing that's happening. Just breastfeed your baby on demand and you don't have to even think about that stuff. And you know, your baby's getting fed.

abby (30:26):

That's so true. Yeah. And that's just like a general rule. It's not even like, you don't have to worry about it. You can worry about it later. Actually it's better if you just ignore it, ignore the clock, ignore all the breastfeed every two hours, yada, yada, just you don't, it's better to ignore all of that.

dianne (30:44):

Don't worry about what your, you know, sometimes your family or your people in the hospital or pediatrician or whatever, I'll say just, you know, your baby only needs to be on for 15 minutes and don't worry, you know, don't time everything just put your baby on when they want to be on, let them stay there. If they that's where they want to be. And that's okay. And call your lactation consultant that you have on, on hand. If you worry about it, if you have questions, what else you got?

abby (31:12):

I have two more things. So bed sharing,

dianne (31:19):

we have lots of episodes on that. We do have a lot of episodes on that.

abby (31:22):

Check out one of those episodes.

dianne (31:24):

Um, and, and setting up your, your space. Remember that one, we did a few, couple of months ago.

abby (31:29):

What we need to do is set up that safe bed sharing spot, and then use it because it is safe and it is so much easier. It is so much easier than trying to get your baby to sleep away from you, which they do not want to do and getting up and going down the hallway or getting up and going over to the crib or whatever. Um, every time they cry, which they will all night cause they're babies. So that makes things way easier. And I know people are still really afraid of it, but if you listen to the episodes and you read a little bit about it, I, I bet you, this is where I was. And when I learned more about it, I became much more comfortable with it and Exley is seven and still sleeps on top of me. Um, and then another one, um, babywearing oh yeah. Now. Yeah. So you can get any carrier that you want for like a baby. That's like a little bit older, but like with a newborn, you want to make sure you have like a carrier that's appropriate for a newborn. So like, I mean, one that's really popular and pretty cheap and I'm not paid to say this, the moby you know, those little Moby wraps, those are pretty easy to figure out. Um, just, you know, just, if you just practice a couple of times, you get used to it, but those are appropriate for a newborn. Um, and, uh, let's see, you know, a lot of those buckle carriers will have like a newborn insert. So you just want to make sure that you have like the newborn, whatever you're getting has, if you have a newborn that you have one that's appropriate for newborn and, um,

dianne (33:00):

and baby wearing is appropriate for partners, just going to put that out there. So don't feel like you're the only one that can wear a baby. If you're tired and need a nap and your baby is not, you can strap that thing on a partner and that's fine. Totally love it. When the partners answer the door and they're, you know, wearing a baby, its great. Grandparents. I've seen that before, too, like grandparents with the baby on them. It is totally fine. Figure it out before the baby comes. That's another thing that you can kind of mess around with before the baby comes, figure out how it works. Cause those can be a little bit intimidating. Watch a YouTube video.

abby (33:42):

They are super intimidating. And I have to tell you that when you figure it out, it's just easy as pie. Yeah. You just got to, especially with the buckle carrier, you're don't even need to, if you want to just skip all of it, the buckle carriers are not complicated. You just buckle them. But the wraps, the wraps are a little complicated, but if you like it, you think that's cool. Just give it a couple of tries. Yeah. Watch the video and you can, you can figure it out once you figure it out. You're like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. All that's all. Yeah. I've strapped many people into those things. Yeah. But so yeah. I think that's all I've got. Um,

dianne (34:19):

no, that sounds great.

abby (34:20):

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's that's for listening.

dianne (34:23):

If anybody has anything to add, let us know, shoot us a message. or anything to add to Abby's cart we put on there. Yeah. I thought I am sanitizer too. I was thinking about that hand sanitizer.

abby (34:34):

Yes. this is the age of hand Sanitizers?

dianne (34:37):

Yeah. Yeah, but that's it enjoy? Go make yourself a nursing cart. Yeah. Bye. Bye.

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