“We need to have a big enough conversation” said Catherine Sherlock (linkedin.com/in/catherinesherlock) the first time we spoke. I agree. The conversations we generally have about what’s happening tend to be too small — focused on agendas, opinions, or events, rather than on the systems and beliefs that limit our sense of discovery and spirit. She and I ran into the usual scheduling madness before finally finding an hour to explore and to challenge each other. She approaches coaching and leadership from a very human (and humane) place in her work (highermindfulness.com). She points out that as we focus on changing our relationship with our self, our impact on those around us gains power and benefit, all the result of moving from self as enemy to self as ally.