A Journey to Conscious Parenting and Self-Awareness with Rachelle Hickson

In this enlightening episode of the “100 Breaths” podcast, host Gavin McGahey welcomes special guest Rachelle Hickson, a dedicated practitioner of breathwork and meditation, and a passionate advocate for self-awareness and conscious parenting. 

Together, they delve into a profound and heartwarming conversation about the role of breathwork, energy, and conscious parenting in navigating the complexities of modern life.

Key Takeaways:

• [00:03:50] Parenting as a Path to Self-Awareness: Rachelle shares her personal journey of conscious parenting, revealing how her children have become her greatest teachers. She talks about the need for parents to recognize their own triggers and to practice self-regulation in order to create a nurturing environment for their children.
• [00:28:15] From Judging to Noticing: Gavin and Rachelle explore the idea of shifting from a place of judgment to a place of noticing. They discuss how changing our language can immediately alter the energy we bring to a situation and allow for a more grounded and compassionate response.
• [00:44:00] The Power of Breath and Energy: This episode dives into the essential nature of breath and energy in our daily lives. Rachelle provides insight into how she guides her clients to tune into their own energy, and the energies around them, to live more harmoniously and healthfully.
• [00:51:25] Creating New Stories: Gavin emphasizes the importance of the narratives we instill in our children, especially regarding money, resources, and self-worth. He and Rachelle discuss practical ways to reframe these narratives to empower the next generation.
• [00:58:05] An Invitation to Conscious Living: Rachelle invites listeners into a “wellness stream,” a choice to subscribe to empowerment, health, and positivity, rather than the fear and lack often depicted in mainstream narratives.
• [01:05:38] Connect with Rachelle Hickson: Learn how to connect with Rachelle and explore her unique offerings, which include one-on-one sessions, Soma breathing programs, and meditation recordings designed to guide you on a journey into your intuition.

Quote of the Episode:

“I think parenting has been my biggest growth in terms of my awareness of my triggers. It’s not about my children doing something wrong; it’s about me perceiving it as wrong, and then I feel something — shame, embarrassment, frustration — and that takes me out of my nervous system.” - Rachelle Hickson

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Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):

Welcome everyone to 100 Breaths, the podcast with Gavin McGahey. Open raw and empowered conversations that can help everyday people to learn techniques to deal with the challenges of everyday life. And just like most of us out there, I am continually processing the daily challenges that life and business throws at us. So I welcome you to ride with me on this journey of discovery and personal development. Well, today we have a special guest in the studio, and I'd like to welcome Rachelle Hickson. Now a little bit about Rachelle is. Rachelle is passionate about alchemizing growth and positive change in the individual she meets both physically, mentally, and emotionally. Her interest in being human spans through her life, starting out as a professional contemporary dancer, exploring movement as language and the body is the tool. Then she moved into kinesiology around 10 years ago, exploring the more subtle elements of being human and the body. Rachelle has since studied various modalities, including aromatherapy, life coaching, intuitive meditation, and most recently received a women in business grant from the Lord Mayor of Brisbane to study Soma breath and undertake business coaching. She now offers one-on-one kin. She now offers one-on-one kinesiology sessions, life coaching packages, and her own conscious pregnancy journey. She facilitates seasonal meditation and summer breath classes and is also a mother to two beautiful young souls. So welcome Rachelle to 100 breaths. Speaker 2 (01:50):

Thanks. Thanks for that beautiful intro. Speaker 1 (01:52):

That's quite okay. And after that intro, it sounds like you're a busy woman. Speaker 2 (01:58):

I am a busy woman, yes. Yes. Time is my greatest commodity. Speaker 1 (02:06):

It's interesting just reading through that introduction there and two things that have sparked some curiosity in me. Number one, could you share with us what a kinesiologist does and what led you to this field? Speaker 2 (02:22):

Kinesiologist use muscle monitoring as a way to work with the body, or I guess it's a biofeedback mechanism. So you are finding out information from the body through the muscle monitoring where there's stress, whether that's physical, mental, emotional, or energetic stress. And then really asking the body what it wants to do about that stress. So it's pretty holistic. It can be all sorts of things that we are looking at. We can look at stress held in the body from the past. There's often a bit of time traveling. We'll ask the body, say someone's got a sore shoulder, so you'll activate the shoulder and ask the body, is there any emotional or mental stress in there as well? And then maybe that relates to a time, and then you're using different types of, a bit of talk therapy, different acupressure points, essential oils, all sorts of different things sound to then bring the body back into more harmony or to release that stress from the body. So it is hard to describe kinesiology. It can be so many different things, but ultimately it's about allowing the body to come back into homeostasis Speaker 1 (03:40):

And homeostasis. We treat as that balanced state, that balanced state where everything's in flow, both all of our organs in the mind, the body, the muscles, the tissues, the whole, everything's just in that state of flow or as say, balance homeostasis. So thank you for that. It sounds like an interesting subject matter to explore. And is that something that you do in person as well as, can you do that sort of offline, sorry, online and as well as in person? Speaker 2 (04:17):

Yeah, so I mainly do in-person sessions, but then obviously with the changes over the last few years with Covid, and I've branched now into also doing distance sessions. So sometimes I do that through Zoom and we'll do a coaching type session, but then I'll use the muscle testing. So it's called surrogacy balancing, where I use my body as a surrogate for the other person. And then you can, well, not can access their energy and work out where their stress is and do the energy balancing via distance. It's kind of accessing the quantum field, so you're bypassing that need to be actually physically together, which kind of still blows my mind, but it's amazing how it works Speaker 1 (05:06):

And there's more and more scientific studies coming out to support this type of work as well. Speaker 2 (05:11):

Yeah, absolutely. And for me it's the anecdotal evidence as well when I work with people and then they text me the next day and they're like, that pain is gone, or I just had the best sleep I've had in months. So that helped me to build a lot of confidence with working through that distance plane. Speaker 1 (05:32):

And what type of people come to you for a kinesiology session? Because it's not something that we, in the western medical world, it's a holistic form of healing. So how do people become engaged in that to the point that they might feel that they'd to experience a kinesiology session? Speaker 2 (06:01):

I get a lot of people that have tried all the other things and then they're still at a bit of a loss. They still haven't had the change that they were desiring. And so someone's usually told them about me or about kinesiology, suggested it to them. Most of my business is through referrals and then a small amount of people just get curious, I think and want to give it a try. But most people usually have some sort of health issue or mental health issue that they're wanting to address that they've been trying to address for a long time, but haven't had the results that they were after. And then other people come to me more for upgrading their life, I guess wanting to just have more understanding of who they are and become more conscious, more evolved. You have more abundance, have more happiness in their life. So some people come for specific health issues and other people more for wanting that evolution, that more sort of coaching type of work. Speaker 1 (07:06):

I recall recently we had a gentleman on the podcast by the name of Scott Robinson and Scott Robinson's known as the brain guy. And Scott and I were deep in our conversation and he was talking about modalities of healing where he would do some work on one member of a family and another member of the family from miles and miles and miles away, probably thousands of miles away actually has been affected from the work that Scott had done on this particular member of the family. So is that a similar type of thing with kinesiology? Speaker 2 (07:42):

Yeah, definitely can be because we're also connected when we think of energy, that is the foundation of what we all are and we're sort of in this beautiful intricate web of energy field. So particularly with family members, when there's a genetic or an ancestral connection, when you clear that for one individual, it shifts it for anyone else that was affected by that energy imbalance also, which is pretty amazing. Speaker 1 (08:10):

Yeah, it is pretty amazing, isn't it? But I would imagine that you'd really have to have an open mind when it comes to these types of things. Speaker 2 (08:18):

I think you have to have an open mind to give it a go. And a lot of people come to me and they say, I don't have any expectations, but I want to give it a go. Just want to experience it. Yeah, I want to experience what it feels like to move energy through my body or have that often people just want to be heard as well, don't they? So I always take that time with my clients to really sit with them for usually at least half an hour and we just hear where they're at, which is something that's definitely missing from our world at the Speaker 1 (08:56):

Listening skills pretty deep. And then secondly, what is Soma breath and what led you to this field? Speaker 2 (09:05):

Yeah, so I found Soma Breath through Mindvalley. Have you heard of Mindvalley? It's like an online with Speaker 1 (09:12):

The head of that is vision. Leah Carney. Yeah. Speaker 2 (09:15):

Yeah. So I did a year of Mindvalley, which I think Mel, your partner told me about Mindvalley. So I did my year of Mindvalley, and so I did all sorts of little courses with them, but the one that I kept coming back to was this Soma breath. So the founder of Soma Breath, his name's Niraj Naik, and he I think is also trained in Wim Hof style breathing. So it has a lot of similarities to the Wim Hof breathing, but he's added, he's also a musician, so he's added this beautiful music that's basically different brain or different, not brainwaves, but different frequencies, different hurts that are specifically designed to alter the brainwaves. So you do the rhythmic breath in time with the music. So the dancer in me just loves that because like this beautiful almost choreographed experience where you start to feel the music and you're breathing with the music and you do the rhythmic breathing for a couple of minutes with the rhythm of the music. And then you do the big exhale and you hold the exhale similar to the Wim Hof style and then the big inhale and hold the inhale and you do different rounds and different rhythms depending on what you're wanting to achieve with it. But basically it's about balancing your nervous system. And also this reopening up, I guess, the space where you can reprogram some of those subconscious belief systems that we hold so deeply in our body. Speaker 1 (10:48):

Yeah, well, they're all stored at what 95% of the programs we run are coming from our subconscious mind, where only about 5% is conscious. So sometimes we can have some pretty old and outdated programs blocked away in that subconscious, so when we can tap into them, and that's what I've found as a certified breathwork coach. And I've been doing some work also in the nine D field of breathwork, which is nine dimensions of sound. So it's using all different types of sound technologies combined with the music and the voice and everything to assist people to enter into that theater brainwave state. So we can then tap into the subconscious and do a little bit of reprogramming. Speaker 2 (11:33):

And Speaker 1 (11:34):

That can be both fun and challenging at the same time, depending on the types of breathwork journeys that we're putting people through. This week, I was able to help a young 14 year old teenager that was struggling with some anxiety and a little bit of overwhelm and finding that over morning as she was getting prepared for school and stuff, she was just really closing in and getting tightness in her chest. And we know that that shallow breathing, so she's activating the fight and flight side of her autonomic nervous system, and that automatically puts that into almost like that hyperventilating state of breathing. So I put her through a very slow rest and regenerative journey, focusing on activating the parasympathetic side of the nervous system and just bringing her into a state of more calm and relaxation. And then just using the combination of voice and music to just slow her down and just tap in after about 15 or 20 minutes and just use some subtle messaging to look at changing out the programs. Yes, that's amazing. And at the end of it, her mom told me the next day that she just said, what did you do to my daughter? Her dad actually said, well, he wanted to know what happened to his daughter. He said, she's different. And all the difference was a good difference. So it's really empowering when you can assist someone just through the breath, because a lot of people aren't comfortable with talk therapy.
(13:29)
So if we can use these skills that you've acquired and along with the skills that I've acquired to assist people and can assist them without the talk therapy, but the talk they're doing is inside their subconscious mind themselves, we can help them change state and we can help them bring a bit more peace into their life. Speaker 2 (13:48):

Yeah, definitely. It's all about changing the state, isn't it? So that then you can change the programs and breath work is just so powerful for that. Yeah, that sounds amazing. Speaker 1 (13:59):

And once again, a lot more studies are coming up to out to support the benefits of breath work. Definitely as an holistic medicine. And I started with Wim Hof, so I know exactly what that was all about. My curiosity grew and I went on, I need more. I need more. Speaker 2 (14:20):

I think the music is such a powerful thing to add to the breathing, isn't it? Because if you think back to most tribal cultures, all of the ceremonies would've had some sort of breathing or chanting or singing, but they also would've all had some sort of music, some sort of drumming. And so it brings us back, that's part of our history, our basis as humans, is that we just love that connection of being present with each other and breathing. And if you can do that in a group as well, it kind of takes it to a whole nother level. Speaker 1 (14:57):

Rick and I, my technical producer, we've even in this past week, we've been exploring some new music for our breathwork journeys, and we're coming up with basically an Australian theme, and we've started to incorporate did dos and Australian style of sounds to really find this uniqueness, this just pure just uniqueness about the music. That's the participants listening to along with the guided voice. And he sent me last night, a five minute breathwork break journey that we put together this week. And with the headphones on, I just went, wow, man, I think we've nailed it. Speaker 2 (15:52):

Great. Oh, I'd love to give it a go. Speaker 1 (15:54):

Yeah, well, you're open to it. If you wanted to before you leave today, we'll just throw it on for five minutes and yeah, sounds good. All feedback is great feedback. But yeah, it draws out this passion about why we do what we do and why we do what we do is to just be able to assist people to just bring some peace into their life and bring the power of now into their life and that point of presence to be able to be present and conscious and just not be too attached to what happened yesterday. And don't worry about tomorrow, not here. And you can't catch up with tomorrow. And quite often there's no point going back to yesterday. Speaker 2 (16:36):

Nope. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Speaker 1 (16:38):

So thank you for sharing that with us. It's wonderful to hear and very much down my line. So we could have spoke about that for the whole podcast on its own, but can you share with us a period in your life when you felt really challenged? Speaker 2 (16:56):

Ooh, which one? Speaker 1 (17:00):

Pick one. We've all had 'em. We've Speaker 2 (17:01):

All had them. Yeah. I mean, I have been pretty blessed in my life. I've always kind of lived my life a bit on the edge. I've not gone into the mainstream and sort of got into that stuckness that I know a lot of people can get into. I've always been, as a dancer, I was always living on the edge, a bit of society. But that has its challenges, doesn't it? That has its own challenges. And of course, creative arts is not a stable profession and neither really is building your own business as a kinesiologist that takes time to build that up. So there's definitely challenges, I guess, professionally in building both of those two careers that I guess I've had. But the one that's really coming to mind is the birth of my second child. That was probably the most challenging or traumatic experience that really threw me, I guess, took me by surprise. Speaker 1 (18:08):

And what was happening for you at that time? Speaker 2 (18:11):

Well, I guess as a lot of women, and especially with it being my second, and I'm so passionate about conscious pregnancy and conscious birth, and I'd done all of the prep, I'd read all the books, I'd done all the classes, I'd had the beautiful support team around me. I felt like I'd done all the work, but then during the birth, Harrison's position was not ideal for birth or for physiological birth. So it got to the point, I guess, of suffering with that. But I birthed him eventually. It took a long time, but then he didn't breathe, so he was taken away. They pressed the emergency button and all of a sudden there's 40 people in the room resuscitating your child that I hadn't even seen yet. And I was just, yeah, that was huge. And so it took me a long time to process that. And I mean, he's okay now, so they reused him, but then they took him off to the nicu and it was probably at least five or six hours before I actually got to see him. So that five or six hours was probably the most challenging time in my life. Speaker 1 (19:33):

And how did you handle that emotionally and physically? Mentally, I couldn't imagine what was taking place for you at that time of basically probably the feeling of uncertainty. Speaker 2 (19:48):

Yeah, it was shock. I do remember this vivid memory of there was a student midwife in the room and she was just massaging my feet. One of the other midwives said, just massage her feet, just massage her feet. And I've got this memory of just this sensation in my feet. It was so grounding. I think I would've gone somewhere really else. But that grounding was really helpful. But I do remember once everyone left the room and I was left by myself because Mike, I think went off with Harry. But I remember just crying, just sobbing. And I'd never cried like that before in my life, but it was healing just going into the emotion. And I do think that supported me, my ability to just go into the emotion and not block it, not block their feelings, not block the emotions, allow myself to feel them and let them come through me like big waves. And I also phone my best friend Speaker 1 (20:55):

Phone a friend. Speaker 2 (20:56):

Yeah, I phoned a friend, she's overseas, and then another friend bought me some delicious food, which I don't think I ate till the next day. But it was a bit of support was needed, definitely. And then I guess after that was really when the healing happened, that time you're still in the trauma. But by the time we got home, that was when I really called on a lot of the support modalities that I used. I definitely did a lot of skin to skin time doing specific meditations to connect with baby and release that trauma out of my body. I did a lot of meditation in those weeks after, Speaker 1 (21:38):

And letting that emotion out is a huge thing, isn't it? It's like probably something that a lot of men struggle with. And this is something that I hope to be able to assist a lot of men with, is to be able to show and expose some of their vulnerabilities to be able to have the courage to just expose some of their emotion and let it out. Because that storage of emotion in the body, it's very, very big and it creates negative energy and it creates a very low vibrational field. So we want to be able to shift that to be able to create some new energy and some vibrate higher as we call it, and step into a different level of consciousness as well. But when we're holding onto things and we're not exposing our vulnerabilities, it's actually just keeping it at that lower level. Speaker 2 (22:41):

And I mean, that's what kinesiology is all about, is releasing that stored energy where people haven't processed the trauma or haven't felt the emotion, and usually that ends up being pain or an injury or a chronic disease or autoimmune disease. So yeah, absolutely. The more we can feel the feelings, I mean, emotion, it's energy in motion, isn't it? But so often we stop the motion of the energy and that's when it gets stuck in our body or in our mind or in our consciousness and changes the whole frequency of our being. Speaker 1 (23:15):

Yes. And if we can teach some people just how to quickly even interpret what's taking place in their body and then have their little own sessions of meditation or even just a quick breath work session that can actually help them change state quickly, that's a great thing to be able to coach and teach people to do. Speaker 2 (23:35):

And I think it's sort of also not getting attached to the story. I could have definitely got attached to the story that was me failing as a mother, not being able to my baby safely. But that's all story, isn't it? It's like at some point you have to choose to just accept Eckhart Toll. He talks about that surrender is the point. When we accept what is, we leave the story away to the side, we don't play out that story. And then from there, you can make a choice. So from there, you make a choice. I made the choice to consciously try and move that energy out of my body and that emotion out of my body and reconnect with baby when that was possible. But it's often the story that causes so much of the suffering, isn't it? Speaker 1 (24:23):

We tend to get attached to the story, and the story then drives the emotion, and the emotion drives the reaction. So it becomes a reaction as opposed to a response, Speaker 2 (24:37):

Which is what you talk so much about in your book as well. Speaker 1 (24:40):

Yes. Yeah. That's the judgment side of things, isn't it? And it's even when we make judgment on ourselves. Absolutely. We're a harshest judge, so we're judging ourselves. You are judging yourself going, oh, why couldn't I birth my baby properly? You are starting to then become attached to your own story. You're attached to that story, which is then driving your emotion, which is driving how you're feeling. And then how you react to that is what either you don't react to it, you react to it by storing it, or you react to it by letting it fly. And when you let it fly, you don't know who it's going to hit in the head or how it's going to land. Yep. So is that what you were noticing about yourself when you were stuck in that story? Speaker 2 (25:30):

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think I was blessed that I'd done so much of this work prior to then, because I could see it pretty quickly when I was going into the story. There's definitely a subconscious element because definitely afterwards when you're home and you get reactive at your partner or at my two year old who was also running around at the time, that's when I'd be like, oh, is that reactivity that's coming out of me to do with this moment? Or is it to do with something I haven't resolved from these last couple of months that have been pretty tricky? And so that questioning and that self-awareness definitely was very important to keep asking myself that question. Speaker 1 (26:18):

Yeah, it's a big thing because we can find that we can be reacting and then as we say, expressing it to our loved ones through, we don't really need to be expressing it that way, but it just comes out of us. And then 10 minutes later we're thinking, oh, what did I do that for? Because I didn't process what I needed to process at my level. And when we can start having those awarenesses of what we need to process and what we're feeling, and then have say, well, what am I feeling right now? And how can I change my state so I can feel different? So it's like, what can I do to make me feel better than I'm feeling Speaker 2 (27:04):

Right Speaker 1 (27:04):

Now? Speaker 2 (27:05):

Yeah, taking the time to do that and knowing that that's a priority. I think so many people just go, oh, just push through or deal with it later. But yeah, Speaker 1 (27:15):

Actually, and when we're dealing with it later, sometimes it can be too late because things can change around you and with what's taking place. And I just wanted to ask you, they say that for a person to make a massive transformational shift from who they are, that a person must experience a major event or an injury or a situation that triggers the realization that my current reality is no longer serving me. Would you agree with that? Speaker 2 (27:45):

Yeah, yeah. I think it can happen though. Also, you don't always need the major traumatic event. I think sometimes you also just realize, do you think? Speaker 1 (27:57):

Yeah, yeah, sometimes you can. I've had some major events that have happened for me that have created the shift that really needed to take place for me, and I can reflect back on them now and understand. At the time, I couldn't understand what was taking place, but now I can look back on it to see, well, that happened for this to happen. Speaker 2 (28:21):

Yes. Ultimately, it Speaker 1 (28:22):

Was a gift for this for me to unfold, to unpack or to process or to learn more or to get connected with myself as opposed to looking outside of me for all the answers and the happiness and the joy and the abundance and living life through conditions and expectations as opposed to how I was living internally. And when I was sometimes in those deep, dark holes of my living internally was in a real bad headspace. And that was where depression sets in, and then people say to you, well, can't you just snap out of it? Why couldn't you just snap out of it? What's wrong with you? Well, when they haven't experienced that, it's not really something that your mind says to you, come on, mate. You're all right. Get out of it. Get on with it. And people that haven't experienced any mental health issues like that find it extremely difficult for them to relate to someone that is because they never have.
(29:29)
So that's when you need to have empathy. You need to be able to, and compassion to be able to go, wow, I dunno what it would be like for that person, but it would appear to me that it really becomes quite a confused state to be in. What can I do to, is there anything that I could possibly do to assist this person with what they're going through? And when you can relate to 'em in that way, that's when you can be of service to them. And that's what they're looking for. They're not looking for you to fix them. They know at some stage that they're responsible for fixing themselves. And sometimes it takes a long time for that to actually arrive to say, well, hang on, I'm responsible for me and fixing myself. Okay, how do I go about that? And it sort of opens up all different types of conversations around the role of pharmaceutical drugs and antidepressants and these things that are prescribed to people.
(30:49)
And I've been on them, and I know what they did for me. All they did for me was they just flatlined me where I just was more like a zombie. I was flatlined. I wasn't in a deep dark hole, but I wasn't in a place of euphoria either. And when you're a creative person with creativity and entrepreneurial skills, you love to be in that place of you're creating chaos for everyone around you because they know he's, he's off on another tangent. Here he goes again. But you've got to be able to say, well, what is the purpose of these? And you may have to use them at times, but you've got to work on training yourself to say that my body is designed to send me the messages of my unwellness, but it's also here to send me the messages of how to fix my unwellness and get well again. Speaker 2 (31:45):

Yeah, definitely. The body knows how to do that, doesn't it? Yeah. When it's heard, I think like you were describing, then often we just need to listen to people when they're in those states. Just be present with them and listen and trust that they will come out of it. But also even before that, I think, I guess when you've been in those places, did you feel that there were whispers before you got into it? Like that idea that the body or the life kind of whispers at you, and then if you're not listening, then it speaks a bit louder, and then if you're not listening, it speaks a bit louder. And then I see that a lot with my clients. And how pain or stagnation in the body do you feel? That's the same with mental health? And Speaker 1 (32:30):

For me personally, yes. I used to get, the signals would come to me of when I was about to go to the center of the earth, and then I was my thoughts. Now, that's hard to get out of that. I can separate my thoughts, so I know I'm not my thoughts, but when you're stuck in your thoughts, your thoughts then have the power to move through your whole body and move you into a place where you really don't want to be, but you're there before you know it. So then you're stuck in your thoughts of, what's wrong with me? What's going on? I'm broken. I'm broken. I don't want to be here. This is a horrible place. Why would anyone want to, I don't want to see anyone. I would just want to shut the door, turn out all the lights, close the windows don't come near me.
(33:35)
How long am I going to be here for? I don't know. I don't care. Don't try and tell me to snap out of it. Don't do this. Just leave me alone. And that's exactly what takes place, because I've allowed the thoughts to manage me, or now I can separate my thoughts. And when anything like that comes to me, I go, what are you doing back here? Why are you driving the car today? Yeah, why are you driving the car? And it's not something, and I'll share this openly and freely and vulnerably with people. It's for me, suffering with mental health. It's not something that you say, I'm fixed. No, now I'm fixed now, great, let's go. I'm fixed. It can come back. At times, and even recently, I had a challenge where it came back and I just felt, man, I'm in a hole here.
(34:29)
I need to get out of my head and I need to do things that are going to make me feel better. And that's where I took myself off on a little bit of a few day sabbatical where I went out into nature. I went and did some cold water therapy in the middle of winter in beautiful streams down in the back of Coffs Harbor. And just walking through the national parks and some journaling and just being in that space of what was bringing me joy and bringing me back to you are okay, this is the place. This is a beautiful place to be. And you can acknowledge that that whisper came to you and that little birdie sat on your shoulder, but that little birdie didn't have enough time to really get to you this time before the little good birdie on the opposite shoulder was saying, it's okay, mate. Acknowledge the thought, and now let's move through it. Because as we know in life, this too shall pass. Speaker 2 (35:37):

Absolutely. Yeah. Speaker 1 (35:38):

So being comfortable with knowing this too shall pass. It's here. You have an awareness of it. You've got to congratulate yourself for having that awareness. I'm aware you're there. I'm aware you're trying to get to me, but you know what? It's not your time. Speaker 2 (35:54):

And I don't think we need to set the goal to ever get rid of that. Let's call the negative voice, or I often call it mean, man, I have mean man and nice Nancy is what I talk to my kids about the ego. Yeah. Well, the ego or the shadow self, or was watching that documentary on Netflix Stutz the other day, he calls it Part X. I think we don't have to feel like we have to get rid of that part of ourself. It's like you said, getting to know it, picking it up quickly. The more we know our shadow self, the more we know our ego and the way it talks to us, or the way it's sabotages us or however it shows up, the more we know that and actually bring it closer to us and almost embrace it, then often it has less power over Speaker 1 (36:41):

Us. And that's when you find that you can just move through it. And it's probably, if we can assist people to feel more into their awarenesses, and then that could over time maybe lead them to not being as dependent on the need for pharmaceuticals to keep them in a certain state stay. And I can attest to it, and I can talk to people openly or freely about it to say, I'm not on anything. I'm dealing with life on a day-to-day basis. I have awarenesses about me. I'm conscious of how I eat, how I act, how I respond, how I think, Speaker 2 (37:37):

Exercise, Speaker 1 (37:39):

Exercise and meditation and breathing, and the non-thinking spaces for me, which are a very, very, very powerful part of setting my day up and getting me into that flow state. Yeah. Speaker 2 (37:53):

Yeah. And there's been some interesting studies about breathwork, particularly at getting into that flow state and being able to change the brainwaves into more of a flow state brainwave, or even accessing those gamma waves, which is like when you would take some sort of hallucinogenic drug or plant medicine and that we actually don't even need to be taking those types of plant medicines. We can access that same sort of altered state, that healing state where we can reprogram the mine like we were talking about earlier, just through our Speaker 1 (38:26):

Breath. Just through the breath, Speaker 2 (38:27):

Which is so cool. Speaker 1 (38:29):

Extremely powerful, isn't it? Speaker 2 (38:31):

But I do also believe that sometimes people need to take the pharmaceutical medication, particularly postpartum. That's a tricky time. If you're getting into that depression type zone, there's definitely a time and a place for it for people. And then maybe that's when then they can start to do this work that we're talking about. When you're out of that depth of that stress and that struggle, Speaker 1 (38:55):

They can look to do a combination of things. Yeah, Speaker 2 (38:57):

Definitely. And Speaker 1 (38:58):

Just try something different. That might just be, wow, I didn't know that could Speaker 2 (39:05):

Make me feel so different. Make me Speaker 1 (39:07):

Feel this way so quickly. Speaker 2 (39:09):

Yeah, Speaker 1 (39:10):

It's pretty powerful. So what inspires you to rise and shine each day? Speaker 2 (39:19):

Well, I'm passionate about helping people to see life a little differently, whether that's my kids or whether that's my partner or whether that's my clients. Looking at the world through a different lens or a bit more creatively, I guess. Empowering us all to step into our own unique self. Speaker 1 (39:41):

Yeah. Do you ever have days where rise and shine feels like lay down and give in? Speaker 2 (39:48):

I'm always pretty good in the morning. That usually happens about three o'clock for me. Yeah. Mornings I'm good. Afternoons they get tricky. Speaker 1 (39:59):

And when you feel that way, how do you lift yourself back up? What's your go-to remedy? Speaker 2 (40:05):

Taking a minute to just be present again, whether that's looking at the tree outside or looking at my kids or coming back into the present moment often is pretty powerful. Speaker 1 (40:18):

Present moment experiences. I get them with Ari having a two and a bit year old running around at home, that can bring me back to the present moment pretty quick. Speaker 2 (40:31):

They know how to do presents. Our kids. They're definitely teaching us that one. Speaker 1 (40:37):

I've learned some new ways to build Lego lately as well. But answer these questions for me, introvert or extrovert? Speaker 2 (40:46):

I'm an introverted Leo, Speaker 1 (40:48):

An introverted Leo. And what's an introverted Leo? Speaker 2 (40:51):

I'm definitely introvert, but then my Leo, part of me in astrology, I like to, I'm a performer as well, but I guess it's when it's on my terms and often not through the voice, but I'm mastering more voice stuff at the moment. But I like to be extroverted with my movement and my body and maybe my fashion or expressing myself in those ways, but not so much in a social situation. I definitely go more into my introvert there. Speaker 1 (41:21):

But you feel when you're in that creative flow, as you say, through your dance and whatever, that just feels like it comes naturally to you. And that's where that bit of extroversion comes out of me. And I'm quite comfortable in that space as well as, but I'm comfortable in this little Rochelle situation over here. Speaker 2 (41:44):

Yes. Yeah, there's definitely, yeah, I definitely need my alone time to recharge. Speaker 1 (41:49):

Yeah. Yeah. So I am a big believer on that for sure. Pessimist or optimist? Speaker 2 (41:55):

I'm an optimist, definitely. I believe in magic. Yeah. Speaker 1 (41:59):

Believer of Speaker 2 (42:00):

Magic, believer of humans. Speaker 1 (42:05):

Humans. Yeah. Speaker 2 (42:07):

I know we've got it in us to make these changes that we're being asked to step into at the moment. Speaker 1 (42:13):

Yeah. I'm seeing some awarenesses and some shifts around that with, I think there's a lot more awakenings taking place Speaker 2 (42:22):

Definitely Speaker 1 (42:23):

At the moment. Speaker 2 (42:25):

And let's keep building that. Keep Speaker 1 (42:27):

That building towards that, for sure. Yeah. Lover of Speaker 2 (42:34):

Life is the first one that drops into my head. Lover of beauty. Beauty definitely guides my way often. Lover of the feminine and magic and lover of lots of things. Yeah. Speaker 1 (42:50):

Well, I know that Ari's a lover of ice cream. Speaker 2 (42:52):

Yeah. It's not chocolate for me, chocolate. Speaker 1 (42:56):

We take him to this one particular ice cream shop that's down in Mobar. They've won quite a few awards, very natural ice cream. And he says to me, dad, dad, creamery, creamery, creamery. We go get creamery. This is the fancy word. We might have that once a week, or if I've got him on my own, or we go on our little drives and off we go, and we might pop in on the creamery, get some of that, and bring it home. Speaker 2 (43:26):

Making memories. Speaker 1 (43:28):

Yeah. What comes to mind for you when you think of consciousness? Speaker 2 (43:34):

It's like the lens we are looking at the world through Speaker 1 (43:39):

And staying in consciousness. Speaker 2 (43:41):

Yeah. Presence, awareness, awakeness. But there's layers of levels of consciousness isn't there? So we can be present, but we can be in a fear-based Speaker 1 (43:55):

Presence. Yeah. Speaker 2 (43:56):

Presence, yeah. We can also be present in a totally bliss state presence, can't we? Yes. Speaker 1 (44:04):

And that comes down to the awareness of the feeling, doesn't it? Speaker 2 (44:10):

And probably the stories that we are putting. Speaker 1 (44:11):

Yeah. Because the feeling is attached to the thought and the thought then can create the story and the story can then change the feeling. Speaker 2 (44:20):

Yeah, absolutely. Speaker 1 (44:21):

So it's the awarenesses around all of that. And just for me, that's exactly what I just do. I just go, well, how am I feeling right now? I'm feeling pretty calm. Oh, good, okay. Well just get on being calm and just self-talk. A lot of that. But it's in a way that's the type of self-talk that I'm looking to keep me buoyant, to keep me in that vibrational state of consciousness and frequency that is above the line, not below the line. Speaker 2 (44:54):

Yeah, definitely. Speaker 1 (44:56):

And we know what happens when we get below the line. And we've spoken a little bit about frequency and vibrational energy today. And what is your understanding of these, and how do you tend to relate the things that we know, frequency and energy to your clients, for instance? Speaker 2 (45:22):

Yeah. Well, I guess energy is the foundation of everything. That's quantum physics. We know that now. And how do I relate that to my clients? So I guess how I relate that to my clients is that the more that we can be in tune with our own energy and also the energy of, say, the water that we're drinking or the food that we're eating, or the people that are around us, especially for a sensitive human, we tend to start to mirror those energies, or at least those energies affect us. They, it's like music, it's like notes. When you put the different frequencies that the sound together, they affect each other and they create either a resonance or not. And so I guess the more we can be aware of how other energies affect our energy and how our energy affects other people's energies, then it is another way we can be empowered to make choices in the world. And we can use the energy to go, does this feel good? Does it not feel good? Does it feel like it's biogenic? It's going to lift me up? Or does it feel like, is it going to lift me down or not? Lift me down, push me down, push me down. Speaker 1 (46:40):

Yeah. Speaker 2 (46:41):

I guess that's how I use it with my clients and more on a daily basis. Speaker 1 (46:47):

There's a great little YouTube clip that I saw with a gentleman that had a couple of these sound bars, and he was banging on one, and it was at a, say a frequency of say, 300 hertz. And the one beside it, it was tuned to a frequency of say, 400 hertz. And when he'd bang this left one, the one on the right wouldn't move. But when he replaced the 300 with another 400 and he banged on that one, the vibrational energy and frequency of that 400 would flow through the air and resonate on the one beside it. And it was just a great visual representation of frequency. And so it's, that's how I contend to explain it to people. Or I'll just, Hey, watch this link. It's just real simple. Take 30 seconds, bing binging. Ah, okay. I've got it. Yeah, it's really, really powerful. So let's come into sort of present moment and what are you noticing about the world and others at the moment? Speaker 2 (48:02):

I've been noticing these. Well, definitely, like we were saying before, a lot of people are wanting to wake up a bit more and come more into presence. I think a lot more people are wanting to feel better in themselves and are wanting to make some shifts and some breakthroughs, but not everyone. Then you can turn on the news and it's a completely different story, isn't it? So I feel like I've been playing with this idea of the mainstream and the wellness stream and making a choice as to which one you want to be in. Is that answering the question? So this idea of we can either tune into all of the hardship and the struggle and the fear and the lack, and really get caught in that, which obviously affects our energy, doesn't it? That has a frequency. Or we can choose to come over to, let's call it the wellness stream, where we can choose to be empowered and maybe more of a place of activism and more of a place of health and uplifting each other and positivity and kindness, compassion. And that's going to have an effect on us as well. And often it's a choice. It's a choice which one we are subscribing to or we're almost believing in. It can become part of our belief system as well. Speaker 1 (49:32):

I agree with you totally on that. It's like for me, it's quite often I'll recommend to people, I might even ask 'em a question, say, Hey, do you watch morning television? Yeah, yeah. I'll get up. What do you watch? And they'll tell me what they watch, and we might be talking about different roads of wellness, or they might be struggling a little bit with thoughts, et cetera. And then I might give them a recommendation. I'll say, here's something that I would recommend to you. I want you to tune out of morning television, and I want you to tune into a daily non-negotiable. And then they'll go, well, what's a daily non-negotiable? Well, I want you to take that time that you use for what you would normally do with your morning television to then replace it with a daily non-negotiable, which might be a podcast, a YouTube clip, walking with your earphones on listening, some beautiful, joyous music start to change out your program because that morning program is setting you up for the rest of the day. And that's the subliminal messaging that the TV station wants you to have combined with the marketing. Absolutely. They're all the subliminal messaging. But is it the truth? Speaker 2 (50:48):

Is it the truth? Is it your truth, I guess is the question, isn't it truth? Is Speaker 1 (50:52):

It your truth Speaker 2 (50:52):

Exactly. Is the truth. Yeah. What is the truth? Yeah, yeah. What Speaker 1 (50:55):

Is the truth? Yeah. So it's about just, once again, the awareness of what we're allowing into our space and our field and how we can change that out. And I'd love to be able to share that with some of the younger parents of this generation to just try and take that awareness into what's taking place with their kids at certain times as opposed to just say, here's your iPad, go nuts. See you in an hour. And we've really got to look to the programs that we're instilling in our youth of today and what we can learn from our past we can take on to help the present in the future. So it's all about that and getting them consciously into what's happening in their world and how to shift themselves and start building their own awarenesses. But at the same time, we don't want to cotton wool 'em as well.
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We want them to grow through their own adversities. And so we want them to, we talk about tough love, and you hear that word just get thrown around. Oh, it was tough love. And if you think back on it, you think maybe we need to rephrase that to say, well, maybe it was strong love. Because just by showing that bit of strength, which held you back from stepping in and taking over, just by showing that sign of strength within yourself to hold yourself back, you've allowed your child to have to process and learn and tap inside themselves to work something out or feel the negative or effect of the challenge, that choice that they've made and the challenge that they've just been through. So it's more strong love. That's then building resilience in your children so that they become stronger and more resilient as they step into their teens and their adulthood and et cetera. Speaker 2 (53:02):

Yeah, yeah. Teaching them the tools, how to do that sort of work rather than avoiding it altogether or protecting them from that. Yes. Speaker 1 (53:13):

Yeah, definitely. And even learning more about that as what we call the conscious parent nowadays. And I'll see Ari getting frustrated. He's in his twos and everyone says It's a terrible twos, and it's a goddamn terrible twos. Well, if you're going to phrase it and give it the term of the terrible twos, that's exactly how it's going to show up for you. Speaker 2 (53:32):

Absolutely. Speaker 1 (53:33):

You can think of some new terminology as opposed to the terrible twos. You could call it the terrific twos, because what's so terrific about it is that he, he's just exploding with so much growth of cognitive growth and function and everything that it's all coming through him all at once type thing. And he's, how do I process all this that, and it comes out in all different and unique ways. So if we term it differently, we can see it differently, and then we can put ourselves into their environment. And when he's feeling these frustrations and stuff, we'll often say to him, okay, mate, let's just, why don't we just blow out the candles for a little bit first and for just over two, he'll then come up and go, and he blows out the candles, and we know that that's putting him into his breath to change his state. Speaker 2 (54:37):

Yep. Speaker 1 (54:38):

We're not saying to him, don't do that. Don't touch this. Go there. Get away from that, because that's the program that we're putting into him. But we're just teaching him to be aware of his feelings and how to manage those feelings and how to change his state to slow him down to be able to then reengage with what he was having trouble doing. It's a totally different way, in my opinion, of teaching and Speaker 2 (55:02):

Learning. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I often talk to my kids about the color of the feeling that they're feeling. So, oh, it looks like that's a big feeling. Can you tell me about it? Does it have a color? Does it have a texture? Is it hot? Is it spiky? Is it hard? Is it, where is it in your body? Where are you feeling it? And sometimes they're at that point where it's all too much, it's gone a bit too far and they can't quite name it. But then they might show me through actions, so they might move their hands in a certain way or move their body in a certain way. And then I talk about a case, so if there was bath plugs in your feet, if you could just pull those bath plugs out now and could you let that red spiky energy, for example, just fall out of your body? And let's say it works 70% of the time, and then other times not. And because often sometimes they get to the point where the breathing gets a bit hard, so often start with the color and then try and do the breathing or vice versa, kind of just play with it. Speaker 1 (55:58):

Yeah. It's just a uniqueness of just what can resonate for them at that time. And we know that something today is going to be different tomorrow Speaker 2 (56:06):

For 'em. Absolutely. Yeah. There's no a hundred percent winner there, I don't think, as there isn't with adults either with adults Speaker 1 (56:12):

As Speaker 2 (56:12):

Well. And often we're getting so triggered by our child's behavior, though that's often the challenge is you're in the restaurant and all of a sudden they start to do the thing or whatever. And so we get embarrassed, so our nervous system goes out, and then it's really hard to meet them in that space. So I know for myself, parenting has been my biggest growth in terms of my awareness of my triggers, because it's not them that are necessarily doing something wrong, it's me perceiving it as wrong, and then therefore I feel something shame, embarrassment, frustration, and then that gets me out of my nervous system. So that idea of conscious parenting, I feel is so, requires the adult to be conscious of why they're getting triggered so much by whatever's going on and taking that moment to regulate ourself first before we even try and interact with our child. Speaker 1 (57:17):

Because a lot of the times we're reacting, not responding, and the reaction can lead to some really harmful long-term outcomes for the child, especially if it's repetitive. And that's where they're now the magnificent studies about that young trauma and the trauma that gets instilled in kids between the certain stages and even right up to sort of basically 12. And by the time they're 12, you've really just, that's the programs you've instilled. It's going to be a little bit tougher to start changing out those programs, so the younger that they are, and that the more that we can, as you say, regulate ourselves so we can help them regulate themselves and learn and grow and have the right programs. It's like this story around money, isn't it? We can teach our kids that there's no money, I can't afford this, and no, you can't have that. There's no money. There's no money. There's no money, there's no money. Whereas you can change the story to say, what could we do to earn some money so that we can
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Be able to go off and have that nice thing or be able to enjoy that experience and give them a different story around money and then a different belief about how money is generated and how they can generate money themselves so that they understand that money is a big part of how we live, but we don't have to be attached to money and we don't have to use money in a negative way. So there's lots of different stories and ways that we can reprogram our youth so that they can step into it from just a different lens, I suppose. Speaker 2 (59:21):

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Speaker 1 (59:24):

It's like Ari, when sometimes if he's having a little bit of a moment, he might go and lay on the lounge room floor, so I'll go and lay with him and just, what's going on down here? Speaker 2 (59:38):

What are you looking at? Yeah, Speaker 1 (59:39):

What are you looking at? So it's that sort of almost like N L P programming. You're just changing the environment boom in a heartbeat. So it shifted it from that to that as opposed to allowing the other state to just linger for way too long. Speaker 2 (59:59):

Yeah. Yeah. And if you do stuff up and you go into the reactivity, I think it's also really powerful then to come back once you've regulated yourself as the parent and own that and apologize and be like, oh yeah, I shouldn't have yelled. I was feeling frustrated and that was about me. It wasn't about you, and I'm sorry. And I've learned from that, or I'm learning from that. And we're not perfect. It's also teaching them that we all stuff up as well. Speaker 1 (01:00:27):

Yeah, that's a big thing of it. That's a huge part of it, just taking ownership. Do you ever find yourself going into judgment mode when things occur? Speaker 2 (01:00:39):

Yes. Absolutely. Speaker 1 (01:00:44):

And when do you recognize that's happening, and how are you able to actually change state in relation to that judgment mode? Speaker 2 (01:01:02):

I think it is that self-awareness of being able to just see that voice. I call her mean money. She's the judgmental, she's the negative one, and I kind of know her language now so I can hear her and I can pick it up and see it for what it is. And I do use those mantras. Don't take anything personally. I'm doing my best. This might not be about me because often whether we're judging how someone's perceived us or we're judging if I'm about to put out a new offering in my business, there's often the judgment, is this good enough? Is anyone going to want it? Why bother all of that? And I can, I know the language, so I hear it and I'm like, oh, that's just me money again. I'm not buying into that. Come back. Come back. Speaker 1 (01:01:51):

Yeah. It's a big thing. I wrote about that as well in my book. Speaker 2 (01:01:55):

Yeah, Speaker 1 (01:01:55):

You did. Because if I would've allowed those types of self judgments of myself, especially those negative self judgments, the book wouldn't be sitting in front of us today. Speaker 2 (01:02:06):

I don't think very many creative projects would be sitting in front of us. If you look at most artists or creatives, they have a lot of that negative, well, I think all humans do, like we were talking about, but it's not about not having the judgment, whether you let the judgment be in charge. Yes. Yeah. The judgment drive the car. Yeah. It's constant, isn't it? Just hearing it, acknowledging it, but not buying into it. Speaker 1 (01:02:36):

Yeah. It was interesting that last night I was driving up to, I went to the movies last night, got invited to go up to watch the latest Tom Cruise movie, and I was driving up the M one, and I had this guy right behind me, and we were in the 60 k roadwork zone, and there was nowhere to go. And he's in this little van, and I'm looking at him in my mirror next minute, he's not behind me, he's beside me, and then he's in front of me, and then he comes in front of me into my lane, and then we go along a bit, and then he shifts into the left lane. He thinks that's moving a little bit quicker now I'm just going along. I'm just noticing I wasn't judging him whatsoever. I was noticing just the state of anxiousness. And that was in him because he just felt he could move a little bit quicker if he just was all over the place.
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And this kept going for about probably five kilometers. And right towards the end, I've actually gone past him as he's in the left lane stuck there. And all I could do was just laugh. I just felt just be with what is mate, just because that's the easiest state of flow you can be in. Just be with what is and just you'll get there. You'll get there. The chances of you having an accident compared to how you were driving compared to what was happening for me, were probably 10 to one because all of a sudden I've looked up, there's a car there because I've tried to see a gap that I could get through. And that was for me, as I don't tend to, I've learned to relinquish the judging and just replace it with the noticing and then not get attached to the story with the judging and just take something from what I've noticed. And I just noticed he was my entertainment on the way to the movie theater. Speaker 2 (01:04:40):

Great. Thanks very much for Speaker 1 (01:04:42):

That. It's pretty cool. Speaker 2 (01:04:44):

Yeah. Yeah. Great. Love that. Yeah. Changing the judgment to noticing is definitely such a beautiful way of wording that. I loved that when I was listening to your book. That's a nice paraphrase. Yeah. Okay. There's the judgment. I'm changing it to noticing what's happening. Speaker 1 (01:05:04):

What am I noticing about that at the moment? Oh, I was judging that. Hang on. What are I noticing about it now? Yeah, that feels better. It feels better within me already by feeling Speaker 2 (01:05:13):

That different energy, doesn't it? The words, even Speaker 1 (01:05:16):

The wording is it just creates a different energy straight up. So thank you for that. What would you like to share with our listeners about your work and how it makes you feel, and how can our listeners get in contact with you? Speaker 2 (01:05:38):

I have a few different offerings like we spoke about at the start. So I do one-on-one sessions with people if you're really wanting that tailored support. And you can find me on my website, which you probably pop in the show notes or whatever that is. And also, I'm on Instagram, I've just stepped into the Instagram space very reluctantly well. But I'm actually loving it now as a little creative task for myself. And I'm running, I'm going to be running more of these Soma breathing online in spring. I've got some programs that I'll be offering in Spring for Soma Breath. And then I always do, if you're in Brisbane, a meditation and breath work class for each solstice and Equinox, which is just like my most favorite thing to do these magic days. Speaker 1 (01:06:34):

Well, that's awesome, Rachel. It sounds like you have a real joy and a real passion and love for what you do. And I've really enjoyed having you here today. So thank you for coming in and thank you for purchasing my book on Audible. You've not only had to listen to me today, but you've had to listen to me present the whole book through Audible. Speaker 2 (01:06:57):

It was great. You came on my morning walks with me. It was really nice. Yeah, it definitely felt like you, it was lovely having you read the book. Speaker 1 (01:07:06):

Yeah, and that's the part to me that's we're creating these three pillars of life and some workshops around truth, vulnerability, and authenticity at the moment. And to me, reading the book was my vulnerability and my authenticity. And then I spoke into the truth of the book. So that's how I've been able to can tie those three pillars together. And I felt, no, I have the energy from this book. This book has come through me to be either you listening to it or someone reading it. So I want them to feel it through me as well. And I really enjoyed doing the audible version of the book, so thank you for that. I appreciate and have gratitude for your purchase. Lovely, thank you. And Rochelle, I always like to close out our podcast with this question. Rochelle Hickson, who are you breathing for today and why? Speaker 2 (01:08:10):

Breathing for me. I'm breathing for me today. So my energy was feeling a bit low this morning, so I got up and did my breathing and I've been, as we're sitting here, taking some deep breaths as well, filling up my cup today. Speaker 1 (01:08:24):

Awesome stuff. Well, I hope we've been able to fill your cup up a little bit today just by being here in our little humble little studio and environment down at the beautiful King's Cliff. And you've got the family down here so you can go off and spend the day and just take it all in. So have fun with that, whatever you choose to do. But I also believe you're going to be doing a little bit of meditation recording. Speaker 2 (01:08:49):

Yeah. I'm going to use your beautiful space to get some of my intuitive meditations recorded, so they take you on a bit of a journey into your intuition. And I'll have them available soon, hopefully. It'll be fun. Speaker 1 (01:09:05):

Awesome stuff. Well, thank you and thank you, everyone, for joining us today at 100 Breaths, the podcast with Gavin McGahey. We love having our guests in the studio. It's really empowering and it just always just feels right and there's always great energy around it. So thanks for joining us today. We'll catch you next time on 100 Breaths with Gavin McGahey. Bye for now.