The Titanium Vault hosted by RJ Bates III
RJ Bates III, affectionately referred to as the Viking Wizard by his students, started his real estate investing career in 2014 after attending a real estate education program that put him $65,000 in debt. RJ contracted his first deal he found on the MLS and wholesaled it for a $7,500 assignment fee. That was the end of his former life and the beginning of his venture into becoming a real estate investor. Since that moment, RJ has become an influential figurehead in the real estate investing industry. He has successfully purchased and sold over 2,000 properties all across the USA including wholesale deals, rehabs, rentals, owner finances and short term rentals. One of his passions is being the host of The Titanium Vault Podcast where he interviews the top real estate investors. He has won back to back Closers Olympics earning him the reputation as the King Closer! Finally, RJ and Cassi DeHaas, his partner, have started their education platform called Titanium University.
The Titanium Vault hosted by RJ Bates III
Your Silence Can Help You Uncover Motivation!
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Why Silence Feels So Weird
SPEAKER_00If you watched my video where I sat in silence for 11 straight minutes, you probably had one of two reactions. Either you got the point immediately, or you thought, what in the world was the point of that? And honestly, that's fair. Because the point of that video was not to tell you to sit on seller calls like a psychopath and say nothing. The point was to show you that most closers are completely uncomfortable with silence. And because of that, they taught themselves out of information they desperately need. Silence is not the strategy, silence is the tool. And if you know when to use it, how to use it, and why it works, awkward silence can become one of the most powerful weapons you have on seller calls. Today I want to break down the importance of utilizing awkward silence during seller conversations, when to use it, how to use it, and why it matters. So much if you actually want to undercover motivation, pain, and the real reason a seller is willing to sell a property at a discount. The biggest mistake people make on seller calls is thinking their job is to keep the conversation moving at all times. So they ask a question, the seller gives an answer, and then immediately the closer says something like, Gotcha. Okay, that makes sense. Absolutely. Yep, I understand. Right? Now it sounds harmless, right? Wrong. Because the second you immediately respond, affirm, or agree, you're often giving the seller permission to stop thinking. You are signaling, cool, that answer was enough. We can move on now. You don't need to go any deeper. And that is a disaster if your goal is to actually understand what is going on. Because most sellers are not polished communicators. Most sellers do not have a process. Most sellers are not sitting around rehearsing how to explain their true motivation for selling their house at a discount. This is not something they do every day, but for us, this is business. For them, this may be one of only a handful of times in their life they ever have a conversation like this. So when you ask a question, the first answer they give is often just a surface level answer, not the full answer, not the emotional answer or the honest answer, just the first thing that came out. And if you jump in too fast, you may never get the rest. One of the most important things to understand is this a seller's first answer is often incomplete. Not because they're lying, not because they're hiding something, but because they are thinking in real time. They may not have fully composed their thoughts yet. They may not even realize what they actually mean until they hear themselves start talking. And this is why silence matters. Silence gives them room, gives them time, and silence creates pressure. And that pressure often causes the seller to keep talking and give you the real answer. Not because you manipulated them, because you didn't interrupt the process of their own thinking. That is a major difference. A lot of amateurs feel like they need to rescue every pause. And professionals understand that pauses are often where the truth shows up. So now let's get practical. The best time to use awkward silence is after you ask a question. The seller responds, and then you say nothing. That is the sweet spot. Not random silence, not dead air for the sake of dead air, not trying to act mysterious. You ask a real question, they answer, and instead of immediately jumping in, you let it sit and resonate. That moment is where magic happens because most people are uncomfortable with silence. The seller fills it too. And a lot of times they will keep talking in order to fill that space. And when they do, that is when they go from the safe answer to the real answer. For example, you ask. So what's got you considering selling the property? And the seller says, Well, I mean, I've just had it for a while and I might be open to selling it if the price made sense. Most closers ruin this moment by immediately saying, Okay, gotcha. What price would you need? That is way too fast. Instead, the better move is, seller says, Well, I mean, I've just had it for a while and I might be open to selling if the price made sense. You wait. Just a beat, maybe two, maybe three. And then very often they continue with something like this. Honestly, my brother and I inherited the property, and neither one of us wants to deal with it anymore. Or it's been sitting vacant and the city is starting to get on us. Or I really don't want to put money into it. Or my tenant hasn't paid in three months. That extra information is the difference between a surface conversation and a real conversation. If you're in real estate wholesaling, your job is not just to find out if someone wants to sell. Your job is to figure out why they want to sell, why now, and why they would accept less than retail. That information is rarely handed to you immediately. You have to earn it. And one of the best ways to earn it is to stop interrupting them. Silence helps uncover the real pain, the true timeline, the emotional driver, the hidden frustration, the family dynamics, the financial pressure, the exhaustion, the reason the property has become a burden instead of an asset. A seller might say, I'm just seeing what my options are. That sounds weak. That sounds like no motivation, and that sounds like a tire kicker. But if you ask another thoughtful question, let them answer and then use silence correctly. Sometimes just seeing my options turns into, my wife is tired of dealing with this property. I'm behind on payments. My son was supposed to fix it up and never did. I'm moving in 30 days. I can't keep pouring money into this thing. Now you have something real. Not because you forced it, because you gave them the space to actually say it. This is a huge point. When you immediately respond after a seller answers, you often change the subject before they were actually done. And that is the real danger. A lot of closers think they are being smooth by keeping the conversation moving. But what they are actually doing is stepping on the most valuable part of the seller's thought process. The seller says 60% of what they mean. And the closer jumps in. That 40% is the reason they would actually do business with you. So when you rush to fill every pause, you're not helping the conversation. You're suffocating it. Now, this is another mindset shift that people need. We are the professionals on the phone. We do this every single day. The seller does not. They may have sold very few houses in their life. They may have never sold a distressed property. They may have never even talked to an investor before. They may be emotional, uncertain, skeptical, distracted, or mentally disorganized. That does not make them bad sellers. That makes them human. So part of being a professional is controlling the tempo of the conversation. Not in a weird, robotic way, not in an arrogant way, but in a confident way. You do not need to panic every time there is a pause. You do not need to jump in and save the conversation. You do not need to fill every inch of dead air because you're afraid the seller will get uncomfortable. Sometimes the discomfort is exactly what causes clarity. And as the professional, you need to be mature enough to allow that to happen. Now let's talk about how to actually do this without making it weird. First, ask good questions. Silence only works if the question was worth answering. If your questions are weak, silence won't save you. Ask questions like, what has you considering selling? Why does selling make sense now? What's been the biggest headache with the property? What happens if you keep it and don't sell it? Why haven't you listed it with a realtor? What would solving this problem do for you? Then when the seller responds, do not be in a hurry to rescue the pause. Let their answer breathe. Count in your head if you need to. One, two, three, and then see if they keep going. A lot of times they will. Second, keep your tone calm. Silence should not feel like punishment. It should feel like patience. You're not trying to intimidate them. You're giving them room. Third, watch for the seller to continue talking. That is the signal. If they keep going, allow them. Do not cut them off just because you got excited. And fourth, when you do speak, do not over talk the seller. You can use very light nudges like, mm-hmm. Go on. Tell me more about that. What do you mean by that? Sound like they're more there. That keeps the door open without slamming it shut. Use silence after a seller gives an initial answer, after a vague answer that feels incomplete, after an emotional statement, after a seller says something significant but stops short. After asking a motivation-based question, after hearing inconsistency or hesitation. If a seller says, I don't know, I'm just tired of dealing with it. That is not your cue to sprint into price. That is your cue to shut up for a second. Because I'm tired of dealing with it, usually has an entire story behind it. And stories close deals, not scripts, not pressure, not speed. Stories reveal pain. Pain reveals motivation, and motivation creates action. So now let's be clear. This does not mean every call should sound like some awkward social experiment. Do not use silence randomly. Do not drag it out so long that it becomes bizarre. Do not sit there trying to prove a point. Do not use silence when the seller is clearly confused and needs direction. Do not use silence because you don't know what to say. That is not tactical silence. That is just being unprepared. Silence is powerful when it comes after a useful question and a partial answer. That is the difference. Used correctly, it draws more out. Used poorly, it kills momentum. Most people struggle with silence for one reason. They think silence means they are losing control. In reality, the opposite is usually true. The person who cannot tolerate silence is usually the one with less control. They become nervous, they talk fast, they explain too much. They answer objections that were never raised. They step on the seller's dots. They chase certainty instead of creating space. That is amateur behavior. A professional understands that silence is not empty. Silence is working, it is processing. Silence is tension. Silence is often the moment right before the seller tells you what actually matters. So let me give you a simple comparison. A bad version. You why are you considering selling? Seller. I'm just kind of over it. You. Okay, gotcha. And what's the lowest you take? That's terrible. You skip the entire middle part of the conversation. Here's the better version. You. Why are you considering selling? Seller. I'm just kind of over it. You seller. Honestly, it's my rental, and the tenant tore it up. Seller. And I live two states away now, so I can't keep dealing with this. You sounds like it's become more of a burden than an asset. Seller. Exactly. Now you're in a real conversation. Now you're talking about the problem. Now you have context. Now price actually means something. So if you watch that 11-minute silence video and wondering what the point was, here it is. The lesson was never to become the weird guy who just sits there saying nothing. The lesson was to understand that silence, when used at the right moment, helps sellers finish their thoughts, reveal their true motivation, and give you the information you actually need to structure the right conversation. If you ask a question, the seller responds, and you instantly jump in, you may be cutting off the most valuable part of their answer. But if you let that moment breathe, if you stay calm, if you allow a little awkward silence, you'll be shocked by how often the seller tells you everything you needed to know. Because again, we are the professionals on the phone. They are not expected to have a perfect process. They are not expected to have fully formed thoughts. That is why your job is not to just ask better questions. Your job is to create enough space for the real answers to show up. And sometimes the best thing you can say is nothing.