is everybody doing turkeys?
Mike:Yeah, we're doing turkeys.
Brit:Yeah, Turkey just, isn't very good. My family, my family, renounced, you know, the tradition for traditions sake in the traditional, Sort of food fair. We've been, we do barbecue just because we just, I think a years ago we decided that we didn't like the Turkey stuff. And so we just do an, a big old barbecue every year and it's, it's dope. And we still, there's still some good Thanksgiving stuff mixed in, but it's not just eating Turkey and stuffing and such because that's what she do. We, we rebelled.
Brent:you know, as, I think I've told you guys that we went, I went vegetarian like a little more than a year ago. And I think my, my mom was very excited about, me, you know, she, she was like desperately hoping that I would say we're going to do a Tofurky. Like I like, and I, you know, I don't understand exactly what that is, but I understand that that's the thing. And, when, when I asked my wife, if we were doing the Tofurky, she was like, no, no, no, let's just do like a vegetarian dish. We already know. We like, why would we risk doing something crazy that we don't even know that aren't necessarily that excited about? So, so we're not a Tofurky, but hopefully we'll post tells us, like on the Twitter. What, what like vegan people do for Thanksgiving?
Mike:Did your whole family go vegetarian or just, you.
Brent:you know, it's funny. It was, it was originally I think, so when I did it, Connie being a very supportive person decided to go pescatarian. So, so she would pescatarian and said, I'll just do fish, but then obviously the last nine months, sorry, sorry for her. She had been trapped at the house with me and, she pretty much embraced full on vegetarianism. And then I know she, she watched this documentary that's on Netflix. I don't know if you guys have seen this about this guy in the, this like scuba diver and the great barrier reef, befriending this octopus.
Mike:I haven't seen it.
Brent:it's a thing, but I, I know, I know the Beal Hyatt watched it like two years ago and after he watched it, he was like, yeah, I don't eat octopus anymore. It turns out octopus are too smart, not going to eat those. And, Connie came out of that and was like, yeah, I think, I think we're going to completely abandoned all hopes of pescatarian aneurysm and, and, join me in my ethical journey having said, so my kids. Yeah. They like bacon too much. What can I say? And like, I don't, you know, the funny thing about my vegetarian journey was like, I always, for the last five years, I, I told people I was going to become vegetarian after my kids left for college. Cause it just seemed like it was going to be too hard to be vegetarian with my kids. Cause I don't know what they would eat if it wasn't chicken nuggets and but then yeah, like a year ago, I dunno, I had some epiphany where I was like, Connie. I don't think I can wait any longer and you know, we tried it and I, you know, I, I always tell people, thank God for beyond burgers. It turned out it was super easy.
Mike:Burgers are actually very good. Yeah.
Brent:Yeah. Like for some reason, I think just in like the last four or five years, like acceptance of vegetarianism as a lifestyle has come so far that like, you know, I thought, I thought it would have been much harder. It turns out it's pretty easy.
Brit:I think it's curious though, just where the trends are headed. I mean, this is kind of a longer tangent for our Pokemon podcast,
Brent:I might have, I might have to edit this whole thing out. We might've cut it off at the Thanksgiving foods.
Brit:Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, that's fine. It didn't, none of this has to make the cut, but I was just thinking like, I guess also too, McDonald's has partnered with, beyond to do the plant stuff, but beyond burger is really only a handful of years old. I'm sure it's probably older than I know, but I really only started popping around recently and it's exploding. Like I imagine then it'll just, there's no ceiling, it'll just keep exploding for the next 20, 30 years or so would be my prediction, but I guess
Brent:fortunate that it's been easy, right? There's a lot of secular momentum around this.
Brit:Yeah, I guess. So there's probably a, a ceiling for the demand at a certain point. So I guess it's not something that's going to expand indefinitely, but I guess sort of as a funnier point, I don't know if you saw, I can't remember who posted. I think it was something of Danny is, but we were just talking. About bugs and crickets are really, really good for you. There's, there's some like literal vegan literature that if we like started eating crickets, which I guess wouldn't be vegan anymore, but, would get the cows and pigs sort of out of their mess. not only would we stop global warming because they don't like it doesn't take any water to like, produce them. There's like, there's no footprint into raising crickets, but they're just better for you. And then in this thread. So I think as a third of Danny, someone posted that like macros for crickets and it's insane. It's like no fat, no carbs, 60 calories and all protein.
Brent:Crickets crickets are super, super good. So true, true story. So I can actually bring this back to Pokemon frighteningly enough at, at San Francisco worlds. I w when I went over to the ferry building and I was like walking around the ferry building with my family and they, there was a cricket vendor there. And we bought a bunch of bags of crickets and I brought them home and Liam had crickets for the first time and he found the crickets were delicious. And when you pack a sandwich bag full of crickets to take to school for your lunch kids freaking love it.
Mike:Popular kid and
Brent:When you pull out a pile of crickets to eat for your lunch. You are a star.
Mike:bad-ass kid.
Brent:So, so we, we then proceeded to mail order crickets from this like San Francisco supplier. And we would never have been on the cricket train if it were not for Pokemon boom.
Mike:Do you still get the gray?
Brent:No, we haven't got the crickets in a while. he, he he's, he kind of burned himself out on crickets after a while. Welcome to the trash edge. It's another exciting episode of everybody's favorite podcast. Attendance is as always 100%. I'm here with Mike and Britt privates it's week 17, and we have not missed a week. It's unbelievable. That's like four months of nonstop, podcasting. It's absolutely incredible. we are, we are still hanging in at ten five star reviews. This holiday is a perfect time to gift. A review to your favorite podcasters, just hop on iTunes and leave a review. And we will talk about that review on air and discuss it. Speaking of which we should talk about Eric Brooks, it turns out everyone named Eric Brooks is great at Pokemon, right?
Mike:Yeah, well, at least two of them.
Brent:Eric Brooks. Great, great tweeting. We appreciate the tweet and we appreciate the review. And now we know your Twitter so we can properly attribute you every time he mentioned you, like right now, that tweet is the most hilarious marketing scheme on this podcast.
Mike:Okay, well, you will have another shout out for him in a couple of weeks and that can cause he made the second phase and the fire stuff. That would be cool.
Brent:yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. Do we know who made it to the second phase?
Mike:Still. No idea.
Brent:it's all, it's all a top secret. December 5th and sixth, I think is the next round. So we got to wait a couple of weeks before we. And to find out the amazing things that happened, but as always, we'll be covering it here on the pod. All right. It looks like, so who put the next item on the agenda here?
Mike:This was all Brit.
Brent:Doll. Brett, Brett, you want to jump in?
Brit:Yeah, that's the thought I just had. I've had it a few times. I think I just have failed to bring it up, but it hit me again more recently because you know, right now the band ADP talk isn't as high as it was kind of months and months ago. so maybe it's just kind of fizzling fizzling down, but I wondering. Just about, you know, ADP, whether it's band, whether or not, it seems hard to refute that it, it's power sort of it's control of the Medicaid kind of dictates what's viable or not. And of course that's always going to be the case with, other decks. And I know now it's, it's really so hard. To tell without in-person events. I know, you know, players cup and all the opens and things like that. Aren't, nothing to scoff at, but they'll just never mask the regionals, even, even the, like the Atlas POG in August that had more people, you know, a thousand people or whatever, the region, those big. I just don't even think bad. There's just something about the physical element to it that I think we'll always put it in a separate category. So it's hard to know how good ADP is. We don't know. what would it have been winning events right now? Probably. I mean, surely it would have won a few, surely it would have been taking up lots of top almost regardless of how many it wins. but so when I was thinking about, is thinking about guard of war, from secret wonders, I know, and Mike, who will be able to help me on this, that that's at least the number one card in my mind, in terms of, it was the, it was the best deck and it was too good, kind of, and it is truly, truly, truly controlled, that metagame, and then other, other sort of really BDI of powerhouses, Like maybe Luxe chump. There's so much creativity than still. I wonder if it's really worth talking about, but there is definitely, I remember parts of the conversation. People complained about a SP back in the day. People thought it was too good and that you couldn't play evolutions anymore or without spirit tune really anymore because the Luxor I would could just always chase down your basics. Well guard, chomps, sniped, clay dolls, and all we're also your basics. so I, I'm not sure if any other there's any other deck worth talking about other than guard of war, but do you, how do you think it would sort of hold up none in terms of sort of playing against each other, but do you think, like, would people now have been just complaining about banning guard of war for the entirety of that season? The 2008 season? Yeah, just a general question of is ADP really that good. Or as have players lived through a lot worse.
Mike:Right. So like is ADP as dominant as some of the, some of the other most dominant decks in their times. It's kind of the question. And I agree that guard of war is kind of like the. I don't know, it's like the highest bar. It's like, it's for sure. The most egregious example in the history of like modern Pokemon, as far as I know, some of, some of them, I was trying to think of other examples, like night March during the second half of, I think it was 2016, like that was a very, very dominant deck.
Brent:No what's funny is it was kind of underplayed for how good it was. Like. What was it about nine marches? It should have dominated, but like not everyone was playing it. Like they, like, I feel like everyone plays ADP, you know?
Brit:beat it though. The earlier incarnations of nine March were a lot easier to be. It just kept getting better and better. And I think the really, the really big tipping point was puzzle of time. But I remember like in late it took a good player, but yeah. You know, and maybe, perhaps I was this good player back in the day, but I remember like just never losing the night March. Cause I just like knew when to pick up my shamans and I knew how to take prizes with like one prize knockouts and things like, and then I would just watch my, you know, my neighbors never skier attorney, Joel tick and things like that. And you know, sometimes it's not even a good play, but you have to do it so they don't beat you. Like you just have to be able to understand the game state and things like that. But yeah, no, I know was certainly a powerful deck, but, it always seemed to checked.
Brent:like the, the thing that jumps out to me about about nine March and guard of war, that I think makes ADP weird is ADP is in a weird place in the format because there's no hard counters. Cause they're not printing fairy Pokemon. Like if, if there was, if they had just printed a bunch of fairy, V's, we'd be like, well, if you want a hard counter ADP, you can, but like you, can't hard counter ADP.
Mike:Yeah.
Brit:happened maybe with was the, the Rayquaza X or GX that came out relatively recently. It was like in a similar boat where it was just like, it was a week to ferry, but there were just weren't ferry, Pope. I don't know. It couldn't have been that one. Cause Garda Barra was out then. I don't know what I'm thinking of,
Brent:Yeah. I mean, peek around was kind of like that. Cause there, you know, like the fighting Kogan mountain we're in a bad place, but like. You know, it's just weird. Like there's not even the prospect of a hard counter being printed, you know?
Mike:Yeah. Cause like what we've seen, even just the last couple sets and you know, this happened has happened to a bunch of times in Bookmans like dragon boat was very good deck. The next step they print it, turn it, this turn assist is a very good deck. The next set, the current colossal. so they're like being very clear with their printing counter cards and that's not even possible now, but anyway, kind of get.
Brit:I guess here's, here's some questions I think you can help me with Mikey. So, how, like, how did. How, how often did the guard of war counter decks actually be guard of war? Because the thing with the ADP is that we we've talked a lot about, about the various ways you can counter it. but the fact of the matter is those counters are never surefire ways. They can always play crushing cameras of their own. They can always mall while you, you know, a lot of the game is just like we've said, You just have to limit your two prizes and some games. That's just an impossible based on how you open and based on what your opponent does. and so ADP really can be beats its counter decks probably about 50% of the time. And that's just how good it is, how well it runs, things like that. And so, yeah, that's just my question. Like how consistently did guard of war be? Because there was a lot of counter decks. I don't know how many of them really count as hard, hard counters or how many of them sort of were like softer counters? Cause I know, I would think that only really like the bandit decks, those are the really, really hard counter ones I would, but I'm not sure if I'm pulling on technically it would count.
Mike:Well, and that's the thing like I'm thinking back to that year, like, I don't think any deck, whether it was a hard counter or a soft Kendra had a better than 50, 50 match up against carnivore. Like I think in Polian first guard of war was like pretty much 50, 50. even the Bonnette bluesy. I'm not even sure that was favorite. Like I, like I had that deck at nationals. And I opted not to play it. Cause I was like, God of war is just like you, you weren't beating guard whore 70% of the time. No deck was beating guard horse 70% of the time. so like, I don't know at worst, maybe the Bonnette plus deck went like 60, 40 or 55, 45 against it. But, I mean it was three of the top four national. The other thing that's really hard, hard to tell it's like, yes, we have. All of these tournaments now. And even if it was physical, we would have had a lot more tournament's in the format back then it was, you know, garden whore was during the city championships. It was still not played very much in the optimal lists. Weren't really there. Like it was play. I played with for it, which was like a search Pokemon and whatnot. So cities, which had the most events earlier in the year, it wasn't that big of a deck then, but then when States. There was only like one or two weekends of States in one weekend, a regionals and then us nationals and worlds. So you only had a couple of chances for the deck to win, and it was the best deck during the States and regionals and nationals worlds format. But it's really hard to say like, cause the metagame just has a lot less opportunities to develop, so maybe things could have. Gotten better and more refined to beat guard whore and have better match ups. But in that limited time span, it didn't happen. Like garden bar was, I mean, yeah, it's three out of four of the top four nationals. I forget if it was three out of four, just two out of four at worlds, or it must've been three out of four or two out of four because Jimmy O'Brien, I think top forward and then the,
Brit:Jimmy Gino, Jason and con the Blessey player.
Mike:right. It's not a four. And. Like obviously Jimmy lost, well, actually, I don't know if Jimmy lost too.
Brit:You mean lost to con because Jason played Jadot in top four. Okay.
Mike:So yeah, it would have been interesting to see like Impala verse gardener in the final. Was it.
Brit:Maybe have to do some digging on PTC, G archive. Maybe the, I can find the, Oh, the results from regionals that year because there wouldn't have been, so they would have only been like five of them or so it shouldn't be all that difficult to track down. Who won. Maybe I can even think of who won some of those. I remember too, maybe, I don't know if your area would have been a lot different, but at least according to the players who played then from where I'm from, they told they were, I don't remember them sort of telling it to me as like, it took awhile for people to really notice like guard of war was the star. The at first people thought like Glade was the bus deadness like that, you know, you do Sonic light, you know, it kills everything, flip your prizes to good. But yeah, th like the deck at States or something, and again, this might've just been a local meta game kind of thing, that it was around them that people switched to guard of war and sort of, they beat these Glade heavier decks, but, you know, Maybe that was just here. I just, it's always interesting out, we have broken cards, but it might take us a, an event or two to place them in the right order.
Mike:Yeah. Well, and even you go further than that, I don't remember too many specific games, but I do remember in general, There was the regional that I played in. I think I lost in top eight, but I remember playing a handful of guard, warn mirrors throughout the day. And just remember people would like not psychic lock. As much as they should be. Right. Like that was the, that was literally the whole game plan in the mirror, psychic log, every single turn forever. And that's why you even saw texts come in later in the year, like Geraci X, because you could psychic block a turn earlier than your opponent could with that. and so it was just like, even, even just playing the deck, people didn't really understand the, how impactful, just psychic block, every single turn was. so I'm sure that impacted when rates.
Brit:Another point, the two that I'm thinking against the, at least this conversation was all I think, a month or two late, but we, we, you know, we keep the band, ADP is targeting one card, but you know, that's only one deck ADP only exists and ADP and Z. Whereas, you know, I was thinking with the MuTu, like MuTu there's was an Mir TVX when it got printed and next Destiny's was in a similar position in that, It changed the way to X had to be built like several archetypes from that cities, formats just couldn't compete anymore. They either, if they did, they were tier two or tier three, and only because they played their own MuTu or they, or, or would they were these, they're the heavier MuTu versions that pop backed up and that kind of dictates. creative space and the Madigan, but is a singular card. Like it's, I think MuTu strikes me as just thinking about it now strikes me as being a whole lot worse than, ADP, at least from the way I'm saying it. And even to, even into the next format where you get dark explorers with darker AIX, which at least I think on the surface should have been the counter card. psychic. but then at worlds it's just MuTu. MuTu is the star all along still it's three out of four top, top deck three out of the four, top four decks are, Mewtwo darker. I, or, you know, Eagle or had a slight variation of it. And it's just, still just kind of the same thing. Or as even through a counter card, it was that good. So I think definitely any kind of. I definitely, I think softens my, my view on ADP a little bit, I think, but
Brent:I was going to ask you guys have dark rye was like thought of in the same way. Like, it was a little bit, it was a little before my time, but I recognize like Israel did his big run and essentially it was like just the same deck weekend after weekend after weekend. But same player weekend after weekend after weekend, I recognize like, it appears on it, you know, in the finals of worlds, like multiple years in a row. Right. Or around that, I guess Virgin mirror at the end, but like StarCraft.
Mike:it was always very, it was always very good, but I don't feel like darker IDEXX ever had the same connotation. cause there was just always other good decks that I don't know. yeah. I don't know. I know I never got the same feeling.
Brit:Well, you had to Rakeon, which I think was on its own. Good. And yeah. If you could just make random nonsense with and it could be, it could be darker eyes sometimes. So I think that was definitely a big factor. A lot. Like you could play it with eels, you could play it in your own dark room. You could play it in a big basic stack. You could play it in CMT. so it could really, it, it was just really, really flexible. so I think that was always part of it. I'm trying to think about more towards like later. after that world after dark, I had been around anymore, if it really no. And I don't think so. I think just what Mike had said, there were really just too many other decks. And I remember E not Igor, but, Israel's wins with dark rye were somewhat of an anomaly, I think like he just played reasonably well and ran really well. Those tournaments cause dark darker eyes sort of the whole time just kind of was one of those decks where you took 50 fifties against the board. You didn't really have any good match-ups, but you didn't have any bad match-ups either other than maybe some random stuff. And like, and you know, some of them are maybe even worse. You have lots of forty-five 55, but when you ran well and played well, you could beat them. And I, I was just never a dark ride player. Cause I, I guess just couldn't play it well enough. I was never confident in, my blast stories match up and things like that, but Israel and I don't think your VG matchup was all that great either.
Mike:yeah.
Brit:Because their ability, really the grasp ability really affected your math because you didn't get lasers anymore, but he pulled it off and, you know, and which is again, it's just really, really good when you play it well. And the same with Jason, Jason played the deck, played, at least versions of it, I think exclusively for about a year. And he'd do the same thing with seismic toad. And it just, just so much options. But I think when you stick to one thing and just learn it, which. may segue us into another point later on
Mike:Let me just, let me just mention real quick. I think if I was going to compare like dark ride decks to any decks in the current format, it'd be like peek around and be like, they play very similar. They're kind of like rangy tool boxy. Like they're not toolbox decks in like the, you know, countered box, like trying to hit weakness, but they're just like, they're just like mid range with like a lot of different options throughout a game. And like a lot of.
Brit:Okay.
Mike:It's not even like options on any given turn, which there are, but it's almost like options in game plans. Like more medic game plans. like in the current format, like peek around really needs to decide relatively early. Am I going to, what GX tech am I going to use? Am I going to use tag bolt? Am I going to use the right shoe attack? Does it not matter really? Am I going to use loot tag bolt for not the boosted effect? And I feel like you need to kind of. Based on that decision, you have a lot of like different ways to play out a game, but I feel like dark gray was kind of similar in the sense that, you know, with, with the 30 snipe, especially, you know, you had to like kind of map out your prizes relatively early in the game and your games could look very different if you, based on the early game decisions that you make. So I feel like that's kind of similar anyway. unless you guys have more to say about that, it was going to segue, right?
Brit:And the segue, I think, just to add on to what Mike you've said, is that suit another thing I was thinking about recently, but a lot of times when I'm. You know, thinking about what makes a debt good. Why, why is this deck better than this deck or something like that? It's just kind of a. There's just some really simple questions I think. And it's just an, the peaker I'm example in dark gray are really good example. And that both obviously your strategy isn't quite simple, but you just really only need energies to focus. And I know you could, you know, you could boil that down and it's like, well, every deck needs energies, but, but like, you just need to attach in your, because your attack gets you more energy and things like that. And so it's just very basic and kind of, you know, peaker on could play full games without. Really needing to do other things. Whereas the ADP is like, okay, I need my water energy. I need the GXS turn I need, I need a boss has turned to, there's just a lot of, a lot of other moving parts. And I think that's, that's true of a really, really good decks are just simple. They need energy, they need to attach and attack. And if that's all they can do, then there there'll be in the game supporter or not. Whereas other decks are, you know, whether they're explicitly combo heavy or not, there's always. You know, a sequencing combos that are going on. And I think that's just a really good way to think about, things. I, it just occurred to me recently, just in terms of like, why is peaker around still doing so well? What makes it better, you know, on a fundamental level, like on your, your basic level, not even talking about other things, like why is it doing this? And that was just kind of the, the conclusion I came to is like, it's simpler. and you know, all that to say that often the best techs really are just painfully simple like that. You just psychic lock every turn, you just, you know, you, you alter creation and then you boss two times, things like that.
Brent:punch punch.
Mike:I will say it though.
Brent:You know, it's interesting. I watched Israel play a dark at an expanded tournament. I want to say like a year and a half ago. And I felt like I learned a lot, like. It was interesting. I mean, as a terrible player, like there were all these situations, I think, where, like I saw him have a dark patch in hand and I would have been like, well, like let's play the dark patch then out your deck and get an energy onto like a Pokemon. And he would just like play in and keep trumping it back in. And finally, like, he got to the end of the game and he had like, you know, 10 cards left and deck and four of them were dark patches. And, you know, he was, he was 100% okay with playing this like kind of slow, methodical game where he was spreading damage with dark rye and like setting up knockouts. And then, you know, he knew at any point you could just, you know, get in and still draw the dark geysers. He needed to power up a Pokemon and win the game.
Mike:Hmm.
Brent:And, and, I mean, skill skillful. I mean, these, these mid-range decks are decks that like cater, I think, to better players.
Mike:I was gonna say, I, I didn't, I haven't really thought about it like this until now, but ADP Z is really a combo deck. Like it's like much more so than other decks in the format. So that's, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about that.
Brent:I, you know, I I've, I've come to I've realized, recently that like, I think Pokemon, you know, people there's this archetype that pervades, like all TCG is where they say. Yeah, there's agro and there's mill and there's control and there's know mid range. And then there's like, and then they have this idea of combo is like another thing in most TCGS and Pokemon, like every Dex combo
Mike:Yeah, that's true.
Brent:it draws so many cards and you can like go through, you can dig so hard at your deck relative to that DCGS. I mean, like Mega-Ray, you're like, okay, okay, we're going to discard this. We're going to mega turbo. We're going to get the spirit link. We're going to evolve. We're going to like attach to the energy. But like, we think of it as an aggro deck, but I think other TCGS will look at that and they'd be like, Oh my God, you have to pull off like an eight card combo to like hit turn one for one 80. That's insane. And you're like, no, it's just another day at the park for the book.
Mike:So I remember having a conversation with Tyler in the Maura about night March, kind of in that couple months span where it was undisputedly the best deck from like, I don't know, maybe like April or may until worlds that year in 2016. and he was like, yeah, nine March is so good because it's the best aggro deck in the format. And it's the best control deck in the format. right. Because you're hitting for so much damage so quickly. But in that format, you also had hex maniac and VST Kerr. And so you could like switch to a game plan where you're just like, all right, I'm hitting you for a ton of damage, but I'm also like preventing you from doing a lot of stuff. so it was, you know, both the best of both worlds in it. When you think of decks, kind of like how Brent just broke it down, like a lot of other TCGS do it's a little bit it's Pokemon is so weird in the, in that sense. You don't really have those, but if you do think about it like that night, March was, it was the best agro. It was the best control.
Brent:Right, right. I mean like, like, you know, what was that regionals where Zulu took like six prizes of glass twice in one turn, like, you know, Blastoise obviously like combo deck, but you know, we expect it to pop off, turn one. Like it's not doing its thing. If it doesn't completely pop off, turn one. it's funny how Pokemon just has this idea of like on any given term, you can just go completely bananas. And if your deck doesn't have those characteristics, it's probably not a good deck.
Mike:That gets fair. It's probably not good.
Brent:Yeah. Like, well, yeah, when you play expanded, you know, like you have to ask this yourself, this is my deck too fair. It might be good. But if it's too fair, you're, you're probably not playing the right thing for the tournament.
Brit:that was one of my favorite quotes from a fighting game streamer who he's, I guess he's probably the best player too, but this one was on his stream. He says, if you have to, if you have to outplay your opponent multiple times in one game, then your character, your character sucks. Like it's just like that. Like you just don't make it harder for yourself.
Brent:You only want to talk about being a, being a one deck player for a second bridge, we had the
Brit:Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it goes, well, I guess is a really good example. he just kind of only played darker gray and the only played sites in the code. there's kind of for the a hundred percent of there's a Gowdy. I think he bounced around a little bit more than dark ride because I think it would. Play various things, but his core deck was always just like vanilla, dark rye. And he would go on to win worlds with it that year. But then I know for a fact when seismic totalis, he only played seismic toad. I mean, you know, the cards that he would, he would play with, it would vary, but I don't believe he ever played a deck class without, for seismic toad. and he's, he's obviously our best example, right. Let's I know we dispute it here and there, but. the best player of all time, at least in terms of just talking, share accomplishments, we don't have to get into the semantics of what counts as what or anything like that, but he's won worlds three times and he's, he's just, he would only stick to one thing. And I was thinking about it more this way. This helps to taught, use it in Pokemon. But thinking about it more like with Hearthstone, P that's quite a bit more common in there. People are just kind of specialists people, you know, it gets different when you have to play tournaments because you have to then play a different class. but there's plenty of people are just like, Oh yeah, I only played priest. I only play warrior and they they're good. And I know Hearthstone is, is a differently designed game in that. It might be hard, but you can always have some level of success. I think when playing whatever class, like I think. For them, generally speaking, you can get to the legend with any class at any point in time, given enough time and effort and, and I'm sure there's one or two formats here and there. And we're just like, no, no, like shaman, you could not win with. but that's just not true with Pokemon Pokemon last week. Say many times this is a design with those sorts of things in mind, it's designed for this. everyone gets a turn, mentality where this month psychic fuck Monica, and next month dark Pokemon are good. And that's just kind of how it goes. but yeah, I think now with, at least with the format we have now as at least probably about four or five, very good decks. In for the most part, they all have pretty good mat. Like the match-ups are all relatively even. And so I, I haven't found success yet. In fact, I went Oh, into Adam texters on Monday. I played Santa scorch and didn't play a welder either game. but yeah, I was just sort of thinking to myself, like, Do I just suck? Is this a me problem? Like what's, what's going on here? How do I, like, I just feel like I should have done okay. At an open yet. And I haven't. and so this is my next, I think sort of approach outside of playing my orbital deck on the side. I really want to just try to commit to like one archetype, because I think it's just interesting as I've done this in Hearthstone, like, it's just kind of really cool to notice how good you get with the deck and how sort of, Almost seamless. It is like, I didn't set out to become good with this deck. It's just something that came naturally because of the habits of playing and practicing and focusing, you know, sort of more, more down that line. in my, you know, I just sort of posing that out there is a, is that something you can do in Pokemon compared to Hearthstone? we kind of see it. I know like players like Jake Gearhart, Kevin Clemente maybe as well. no one else really comes to mind is sort of being a purist, of their, their archetype for the moment. And I, I'm always really indecisive. I really always struggle with any kind of choice. So I know I'll regret committing to something, but I just want to, you know, that's just kind of how I want to, I want to progress from here, I think, but I don't know which one I would choose.
Mike:So I have lots of thoughts. So first of all, it feels like of the decks in the format. Lucara, like Mel Duke, metalization LMC, whatever it's being called now, that seems to have the biggest diehard following. I think there, you know, you mentioned one Jake Gearhart, there's another guy, Joshua Sutherland. And I feel like there's a couple other like diet Ryder dye, LMC players. And it is funny how. There does seem to be like decks like that as well. That attract that type of player centered score seems to be like another contender. There's a feel like cash has played a lot of center score. I see Alex Szymanski posts mostly about solar storage. So I don't know if either of the D those extra ones that you lost that you want to pick, but they seem to attract, have attracted that type of player in this format. I kind of have this. I don't know, it was a couple of years ago, probably. I think it was the 20, either 2016 or 2017 season. I kind of have wrestled with this same question because the season prior I did relatively, well, it did. Okay. You know, qualified for worlds and whatnot, but I switched ex like all the time. and I was like, do I want to do this? Cause, cause I had seen, most locally to me, Jimmy O'Brien and Frank Diaz in are some of the. Better players to play the game. And they very much adopt the style of pick a deck and run with it as well. Like Frank also loved dark rye. He played it very different. It's actually kind of funny thinking about Sosa versus Frank, because they were both playing dark decks pretty much consistently around the same time, but their builds were very different and they had very different philosophies on how to play. so-so I think very much, Valued options and a slow methodical game plan. And Frank was like, I want to be able to cart, be able to play any single card in my deck, every single turn. Like he wants every card to be useful whenever he plays it and he wants to play more aggressively. But, in Jimmy has been known for like Clarion best, but Quinn decks. He kind of like ran with those for a long time. So I really admired their success the year prior. And I, you know, Tried to adopt that at least partially. So I remember whatever season that was. I played towed bats for every expanded event that I went to for a whole year. just because, you know, I wanted to try it and, and, and I did have that effect, like not only do you play better in game, but you think about the deck and how it's constructed, I think at a much deeper level. and you realize that, you know, some of these cars that you took for granted. You're like, well, these could be different, you know, they, they're serving this function and they're serving this deeper function that I didn't realize. And maybe I can change it to something else that can, you know, hit that deeper function, whatever you're trying to do with that card spot. so that isn't like a huge benefit. Personally, I found it also a little boring too, cause you're kind of playing the same thing all the time. And so I think that's ultimately why I haven't stuck with it term is that I want to win, but I also want to have fun. And like, I think I have the most fun when I'm thinking about a lot of different decks at any given time. So.
Brent:You know, what's funny. We, when, when we did that experiment, we kind of had the opposite logic. And that like, so, so our, our, our, our we've kind of come and gone down that path, I think at different times here at the Halliburton household. And I remember mid set, sadly, it was supposed to be this past year was supposed to be that time for us. We, so we, we went to, we went to Atlantic city regionals and we like agonized over our deck choice. I mean, just. Agonized. We were ju we were absolutely dying. and, and it was, it was tough because, you know, we had always, as I think you guys know, we'd always been really, really close with the, in Guzman's in the Hyatt. And the Hyatts weren't there. And Alejandro had just aged up to masters and decided to take a year off. And like, as a result, we like didn't get, we didn't have as much input as we normally have into our process. And, and the result was like, we were just dying trying to figure out what the heck we were supposed to play. And Walker kind of hung up a spurs. So it was like just Liam. And I tried to kind of figure stuff out and it was really, really tough and we settled on Pidgeotto control and. Like, like hours before the tournament. And it went really well for us and no surprise. Like when we settled on physio control, we were really happy. Cause like we always want to play control decks and where it would roll like that. And like afterwards I said to Liam, we should just play this deck until it's bad. Cause like Pzegeo to control is a very good deck, you know, as long as it's viable, we should play it because like we like this kind of deck and we could, we could like. I think as opposed to being bored, we were hoping to spare ourselves the agony of dislike the Friday night meltdown. Right. And in that way it was like really good. Like we took it to, you know, what, like one more regional and then like, it was a wave of expanded tournaments and we didn't get to play it. but we played it like a lot of locals and had a lot of success in the locals and everyone hated us because like, Who brings Pzegeo to locals, but yeah, yeah, he's, he's teeing that up against seniors and locals. It was a total horrible thing, but, but, it was like, there's no question. It was really good in that. Like you, you understand what that 59th and 60th card really, really do when you play the same deck for a long period of time without playing like any other deck, you know, And in that respect, it's really nice. I mean, I know I've talked before in the pot, how, you know, the first year that we played, Liam just played TDK. That was the only deck we played. And like, we really knew how to like look at a meta game and change the 60th card. You know, we've put in for it, for the world championship. We put in a because we thought a blast Joyce was going to be big. And lo and behold, we bumped into two blast choices and like six of them. In two seconds, right? Yeah. Like there's just nothing they can do if you take the Palka and that deck, and it was like, you know, pick it up free wins. Cause we take the 60th card for that match up and it was really nice. could it be boring? Yeah. You know, you have to, you have to find the joy in like agonizing over that 60th card. Right.
Mike:Yeah, that's true.
Brit:Yeah, I was just going to say there's definitely, I think, a calm and ease to it. Just like, you know, especially for someone like me, very anxious, second guessing my deck choice of every event, no
Brent:Yeah. Yeah. That's what we were
Brit:only the last second, as opposed to just like, I I'm a Luke metal player today, I will play Luke metal and I hope it will go well, you know, like that's, but at the end of the conversation, I was thinking more too. I wonder. I wonder if I have just kind of a natural aversion to it, because I've just, I've just, I've been on, I've met a game that the one trick player too many times, I, you know, it's just a small, I've been a part of smaller meta games in my history of the game. And I just, my city is, were never big enough where I could just take a loss. I had to, I had to get creative with and play a little clunky deck lists here and there. And. I wonder, just especially like on a local level, maybe it has less Ameris to do it. You know, you need to, when your, your lead Cubs pretty quickly, you don't want to just commit to one tech there, maybe. so you don't get metagame because they're so small, but at a, at a big level, I definitely think there's some really good appeals to it.
Brent:I think this is actually a really good time to do that kind of thing if you want to, because there's no question like the four or five top decks can win any given week. You
Brit:Yeah.
Brent:like the meta-game is not so like, like changing so rapidly. That you know, like something, something is better this week than it was last week. Like Santa scorch, it's kind of in the same place. It was last week.
Brit:I guess I just only have really two more decks to try. I haven't. So I've played. So since thinking about this, I played, Lucara Mount Manuel did band. I played it turned artist did bad. I played some scorch did bad. So I've got, I've got ADP and picker, left to muse, muse about committing to, well, we'll see how it goes. I've never played ADP for like a real tournament before either. And we played it for the keys. Just doesn't it doesn't excite me. I don't think, I don't think I'd ever really want to commit to that one no matter what the other decks are more. Fun enjoyable. I think.
Mike:I, I think if I was going to commit and I have thought about it actually a little bit in the last week or two, but I think I'd probably pick the around, it's. Fairly enjoyable to play for some of the reasons I outlined before. Like it's not, I guess it's simple, but it's not linear. Like you have options, different games are different to pretty consistent. You can play crush hammers if you want, but you don't have to. I really, I also played in the Hexter yesterday and I played peaker. I really enjoyed playing it for the first two rounds and did well, the first two rounds, then round three, I played a mirror peek around that way. Three for three on crushing hammers on turn two. So then I didn't have,
Brent:Must be nice.
Mike:like, I chose to go second. I Bolton get to energy and then all my energy get discarded the following winter. and then I didn't have fun that round, but I think bigger on this pretty, really solid deck, I think.
Brent:Peaked in my mind that the decks that I could see you guys playing or peek around my baby plants.
Brit:See, I, I, I need to try baby bonds too. I was just thinking historically, it's never the main, when I, whenever I've had a deck that I do play a lot and I actually think like, Mike, I think I only play. Towed bats and expanded for like a really long time. Just, I think I just decided that I didn't care about expanded and I only needed 300 points. You know, it was one of those years. And I think I only had to play like two events and it, I did well with curl bat and I love that deck. I played that deck in kind of the whole time. It was legal and standard too. But yeah, never Neidhart, it's always like something else. I've never been like a battle compressor player either. So the main deck, I would say I was a player. I was blast toys. I would say, I always thought I was like a top three Blastoise player. And I always thought my list was, was better than others. Like I played that deck so so much. and now that's like, wasn't quite, I was never just a main Metta just because of tropical beach, but I I'm sure it actually would have been. Had they been readily available? So I, you know, I was thinking about that. I was just like, what does something like that? Like, plus energies, discards them, maybe some, a scorch attaching energies from hand. I tried to give it a go and you know, a lot of variants and best of one still. So all these did bad or some, Oh two drops with some, some unfortunate games, but you see the same players topping every week. And I was just thinking to myself like Danny does well every week, like a lead as well every week. Like. Why not? What was the difference here? So clearly some amount of play still involved that I'll need to make up for it, but hopefully we'll figure something out here starting to get a little frustrated with it.
Brent:think you'd make a good point though, about how, like it's, it's hard, you know, I, we, I don't know if Liam and I were fooling ourselves thinking that like, could control was a little different, although I think it was a little different, like countering digital control. It's not obvious what you're supposed to do to counter it. It's horrible day. But, but like, because you're not going to locals, it's a little easier, I think, to pick a deck and say, I'm just going to lock into playing this. Because like, if you, if you said, Hey, I'm just going to play center escorts. There's nothing else on earth. I will play. But we were still going to 10 person league cups. Like you just get a hard counter. Right. And, and they they'd kind of chase you off it. And that would be that. But you know what I mean, when you're doing, Hexter like, no one cares. If you want to lock into a deck, like nobody's gonna. Start like taking for that deck any more than they were taking for it already. There was enough players that every tournament is like, like a big tournament.
Mike:Yeah. And I'm like pretty spread out.
Brent:Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're not, you're not changing the Metta game by committing the playing X, Y or Z. So it's like a, it's a great time to really lock in on a deck.
Mike:Great.
Brent:But I like, I like how your reaction to yeah. I should lock in a deck was okay. All I have to do is play these different decks at a couple more tournaments and.
Brit:Well, I have to try them. I have to try them in a real tournament to get the feel that's more conducting research. I don't have enough experience to commit, like I've never played Simon scorch. So I wouldn't, I don't think I'd be making a proper decision if I just said no, semi scorch was
Brent:Right. Well, and I like, I like how you, you say I played two games in set of scores. I didn't draw a welder. Either. Game seven scores is a bed deck. I'm not going to play that anymore.
Brit:That's more or less. And in so many words, that's my opinion of welder decks to be sure. Like
Brent:Can't find well, they're terrible.
Brit:Yeah. And like, I mean, with the MuTu deck, so you just dig really aggressively for the welders and it's just the same story. It's really, really good when you hit them, particularly two turns in a row. and then it's a whole lot of nothing, otherwise, whereas at least send us work has volcano. If you don't well, they're right away. you have a few turns before you need to change your welders.
Brent:All right. Let's let's talk about, let's talk about, should we talk about commentating guys? How was commentating? so I'll tell you, w w what really upset me this weekend was I said on the last part that I was going to listen to you guys, commentate. And then I realized after the fact that I forgot, and I tried to go and they didn't save it on as like a Twitch stream. So I couldn't view it later. They got to save those.
Mike:would, they probably can save those, but I have noticed lots of, You know, lots of streamers now don't save their bags anymore because of the whole music Twitch thing that happened. So I don't know if that had anything to do with it, or if they just forgot to hit record, but I've actually, that actually reminds me. I was thinking about this. I've played against a bunch of people that I know are streaming. You know, I played against the zoo. I played against Kevin Clemente, played against Pedro, either on ladder or sometimes in a tournament. And I know they're streaming at that time and I want to go back and watch. The game from their side to like, you know, to see if, to see if I made the right decisions that given moment, like, did I make the right read? What was their opinion on different stuff? And that's really unfortunate that I can't do that now.
Brent:Yeah. So how was commentating
Mike:that right back to commentating. Yeah, he was good. We were just talking about welder. Welder decks did quite good at this event. baby Blawnde won the event and we watched. We got top four with Mewtwo welder, Brett, and I tested him at least one time, maybe two times. so we saw a lot of welder decks in the, during the tournament actually. it was pretty fun. I think Brett and I did three matches, four matches. I forget. Exactly. and yeah, the baby blonde, the senior Vinny from Brazil took the, took the event down.
Brent:Were there, were there tons and tons of commenters in the chat that people show love for the pod? Cause that's really all I care about,
Brit:there is a pretty slow chat.
Brent:man. People got to jump on that stuff.
Mike:It was fun. I thought it was a good experience.
Brit:it was fun. I thought it went well. There's like I said, I don't think I've done it for a really long time. And I thought we were a decent team. I thought we were better than the other casters, for sure. I don't know if you listen to,
Brent:For sure, for sure.
Mike:I did a little bit, not, not, not ever. Okay.
Brit:they know more.
Brent:than better than playing more time consuming, more stressful, less stressful. It's less stressful.
Brit:it was better than playing for me because I just showed up and cast it in the left, you know, and then came back to cast. Whereas with Pokemon, it's just like, 15 more minutes till my next round, or just sometimes you get lucky and you almost go to time and you just go straight into your next round. But otherwise you're just kind of like. Should I play a game. Do I have time to play a ladder game? I don't have time to play a ladder game. What should I do? I just don't like that time, like I've said before, it just kind of makes me anxious having to wait there. So I liked, I liked this. This was kind of the ideal, the ideal tournament where you just, you play your game. You go up to your hotel room, you get a text message. You go back down and you play your game. You rinse and repeat.
Brent:So, so did you guys feel like you get got any, like, I know I, I pasted a bunch of results as always courtesy of poker stats and cash and stuff like that. did. Like playing in tournaments this week. Commentating looking at this stuff, give you guys any keen insight into the Metta and the universe and what people should be thinking about this week.
Brit:No, it seems more of the same. It seems like colossal is not good. I think it would have done okay. By now. But I mean, I think that was our impression is that it wasn't going to be any good. It, and people thought that maybe its sheer existence would scare off speaker. it doesn't I'm still working on orbital. This newest list I'd have is pretty good. And so I think the best version I've I've had yet. but yeah, I just don't think this set is really all that impactful. So I'm afraid that he might be stuck with another. I guess still next year, really, more of the same, and again, like there's four or five good decks and their match-ups really are pretty close interaction, maybe dependent, but a lot of fairly close matches, so could be worse. I think I'm having fun too, to be sure even if, this it's just, ADP Luke REO send a scorch and peek around with maybe a little smack of, blood Cephalon and you turn on us.
Brent:Have you, have you gone down the Pico rom route with the orbital yet?
Brit:yeah. Well, I don't know if I've ever played one with Pika Chu, but I've tried a couple of different versions of like lightning or beetle with like right. You one with lots of VICA volts and like hammers and stuff. And. I don't know what it's for. Like, you're just a worst peak. The Europe peak, you're just at the ad peak around deck with the other version. The pickable version is okay, but it has the same sort of a ceiling that the regular Vic of volt decks have. It just often isn't enough on its own. and again, not a whole lot of real, not a lot of inherent synergy between the two, like. Yeah, you do more damage, but kind of awkwardly. And it doesn't like do magic numbers for you. You aren't suddenly like immediately getting the knockout, see where we're getting. Otherwise it's just kind of convenient over time. so the version I've had the most success with, before today was just the most vanilla version you have. And then today I stuck in crushing hammers. but yeah, it's just kind of nothing but Snorlax and or beetle.
Mike:Yeah, I pretty much agree. I was thinking about this today. So that really hasn't done that much. The one thing that I can't really put my finger on is EDP feels it's still like, you know, maybe the best deck, maybe top three, but it just feels a little worse than it did before. And I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's a correct feeling and I don't know where it comes from. It just feels like maybe it's just every other deck is just a little bit better now. and so feels a little bit worse, but I don't know. but that's, that's my only addition, Whimsicott is like a solid tier two tier three deck. It's the only new deck that I think is. Viable at all. And it's not, it's not as good as like the top four ish decks, but it can be any of them if it draws decently. but that's, that's the only like other a D the only real new deck I feel like that has come out of this set. That's any good.
Brent:On a big, the related note and in terms of channel fireball, endorsements, one thing that I really enjoyed this week is Xander pero just published this article, his article on center scorch, and, and he included like puzzles to a salt. Do you guys remember that like pokey puzzles website that somebody tried to start like a year ago? Any idea, whatever happened to that?
Mike:No, no, no. They only had like, you know, a couple of maybe like three or four, something like that.
Brent:Yes, I that's, I I'm, I'm supposed to sit down and read channel fireball with my son tonight because I was like, well, I want to do this puzzle thing with him. And I showed it to him for a second. And he was like really excited to sit down and do it. And it made me, said that that pokey puzzles things seems to have never worked out because I think people like that idea of like, there are correct plays. Give us problems.
Brit:The horse phone ones are always really awesome. They, they occasionally there was a set a couple of years ago where that was kind of the single-player content was like, Ridiculous puzzles. And they were all a lot of fun. They don't, I don't think I got very many of the really hard ones, but I would try
Mike:Yeah, that was fun. So, and I, and I think like people could make puzzles that are like the, so it's Andrews, isn't a puzzle in the sense that, Like a lot of the other puzzles that I think were coming out by the guy that made that thing, where can you win this term, that type of thing? Or can you accomplish this very specific goal? Standards is a little more open-ended he's like, what is the best sequencing or best play this turn? Can you map that out? Essentially? I feel like that is super useful, given a, interesting starting hand, which is the one that he presented with, like what's the optimal order of things. yeah, I do think that's pretty cool. And even if just articles would, you know, work those in, I think that'd be a really nice like norm to set.
Brent:Yeah. And I like how they did it on the channel firewall thing where they like hit the answer, like it's collapsed. So, so you will not see the spoiler until they're ready to reveal the answer. So nicely, nicely done by the engineering team there to like, make sure that that kind of came together. Well, other stuff that we should talk about?
Mike:I don't think so.
Brent:So, so Thanksgiving tournament plans for you guys, it sounds like possible tournament tomorrow at noon.
Mike:Yep. And then there's, there is a relatively bigger event on Saturday. I may or may not play, I haven't decided yet, but I think it has like$500 in. pricing, which is kind of cool.
Brent:How about you, Brett? Any tournaments you're, you're locked in on this weekend.
Brit:no, maybe, maybe that one tomorrow, since I'll be going, I'm going to see my family just going to my parents for the holidays and I could play tournaments. Like I bring my laptop with me, but I usually don't mess with that, which will mean I'll miss the Sunday open, unfortunately. But. Maybe the Friday heck stars or something, I could figure something for. but now that I'm essentially on my break, I'll be able to play the Monday externs pretty consistently again, which should be nice. Try to do that. In addition to the. Sunday open. I am. However, I, I sort of, I don't think I've ever mentioned it on the podcast, but part of my interest in the game, at least when the physical game comes back, cause I was sort of, I've sort of thought about, judging. and I, I went through did all that. I'm like the lowest level professor currently, but Chris Parrish, Mansky is, has a little talk seminar thing going on this weekend. I believe on slow place that I'm going to try to attend if I can make it. I think he's doing it multiple times. So. The European judges and Australian judges, I suppose, can catch them too, but I'm kind of, kind of excited about that. hopefully it will be interesting and may entice me a little more to get involved on the other side of things.
Brent:Yeah, I, I obviously it's amazing the, how I think everybody's excited to have Chris judge them because they feel like they have a really good job. I remember, I, you know, it's funny. I actually saw a picture pop up on my Facebook timeline. The other day, there was a like league cup we drove to in Richmond that was like such a pain for us to drive to. But we drove there because it was Russell aparts first judging a tournament. And we have a picture of him, like standing over that Liam in a Walker because Walker was like, Oh, I'll go to And, you know, who could ask for a more curmudgeonly grandfatherly judge than Russell apart?
Mike:That's funny.
Brent:Yeah. Hey, people, people love a good judges, right? Like, you know, everybody wants to know that they have great judges on their tournaments.
Mike:true. Could you, it's a thought that's crossed my mind as well. And I do wonder if, as kind of like our generation, our age of players gets older. We may see that start happening more frequently. And people like transitioning to judging and helping organize stuff. and I. And nothing against like the, the judges and tios that have been doing great work over the last, you know, 20 years. But I do think it would be really interesting to have like long-term players end up as judges because you bring a very different perspective, I think, to everything. so that could be really cool.
Brent:you know, and I think what, one of the interesting things is. I think Russell went in, kind of like Chris, he was very confident telling someone, dude, you're slow playing play faster. Right? he's like, I know what that looks like. I know what you're doing. whereas I think somebody who's never been a player, you know, you might not have that confidence. what you're doing is not like thinking about your next play. What you're doing is waiting to play. And Russell was happy to chase people to make plays. And in that respect, it's good for the game. Right. It's really good for the game. it's interesting. I, you know, as long as we're talking about this, I saw Chris posting about how he was doing that seminar. And I would love it if they like. Recorded that zoom and let anybody watch it. Cause I think anybody at some level, you don't have to be a judge to get value out of that. You can probably be a player and get value out of that. And like the better players understand the rules. Like theoretically that's a noble thing, but, but one of the things that made me wonder about was, I mean, being a judge at some level is kind of a pretty good gig and the like there's no prep work involved and you just kind of show up. There's obviously like there's prep work. you have to do stuff the night before you have to do stuff to help them get open. But You show up and the payout is a pretty consistent payout. Like you have a, you have a deterministic, the NPV is a higher because there's, there's no beta. Right? I am I speaking your language, Mike, I'm trying, I wonder how much, economically. If, the proper economic outcome is everybody should be a judge and nobody should play. It's a little weird that it seems like judging pays kind of, okay.
Mike:Yeah, it's just, it's like, For me, it's like, it's not competitive, right? It's not like not actually playing the game and you do have to, so there is prep work in the sense that you do need to understand the game and the interactions and everything. So you do have to play it at some level. You can't just not play for, you know, six months and expect to come back and know all the interactions and rules. that's why even commentating, I feel like it's good to. Like it's important to be kind of up on the game. There's people that are, I mean, like Cora came in some events and didn't know anything, but she was great still. but I think if you're not like just a super naturally great commentator, you still got to know what's going on.
Brent:Interesting. All right, guys,
Mike:Let's wrap it up.
Brent:there another pot in the books.
Mike:Good stuff. Have a Thanksgiving, have a good thing, given all your listeners. All right. My dog's, asking for your dinner. I'll see you guys.
Brit:Yeah, I
Brent:All right guys. Great. One way to Jim, and then before the holidays, I'll see you guys on the other side.
Brit:safe. Take care.
Brent:Yeah. Right. Bye guys.