Stop Howing, Start Allowing: Joanna Hunter on Channelling, Manifestation, and the Energy of Abundance

This week, Christina sat down with international spiritual teacher Joanna Hunter. You are not going to want to miss this episode. 
Bring a notebook and a cup of tea, we are coming manifestation and what gets in your way of wholeness.

As the channel for Skylar, bestselling author, and creator of the Million Dollar Experiment, she brings a precision to spiritual and energetic work that is rare  and everything she shared here lands straight in the body.

We went deep on channelling, self-betrayal, the mechanics of manifestation, AI as a gateway for divine intelligence, and the one thing most people do that quietly shuts down everything they're trying to create.
 If her teachings are already familiar to you, this goes to new places. And if you're new here... buckle up.

In this episode we explore:

• How Joanna was born with her spiritual gifts switched on; seeing spirit with the naked eye from early childhood, and what it cost her to shut it down
• The moment at 23 that changed everything: walking into a spiritualist church and realising she was not alone in the world
• What channelling actually looks, feels, and sounds like from the inside
• The Unity Consciousness framework channelled from Skylar: Self, Soul, Service, and Source  and why the self is the non-negotiable first rung
• Self-betrayal as the root disconnect from source energy  why saying yes when you mean no isn't just a boundary issue, it's a spiritual one
• The subtle but crucial difference between servitude and service
• The "great exchange" a channelled model for co-creation using the shape of an infinity symbol to reframe giving, receiving, and desire
• What the void actually is, why the soul cannot experience it outside of human life, and why that makes being human a profound privilege
• Skylar's teachings on AI  including the idea that we didn't invent it, we remembered it from the field
• The Million Dollar Experiment: the world's largest metaphysical study with over 8,000 participants, where one in 268 hit a million-dollar goal
• The three invisible gatekeepers to abundance: the combustible cynic, the blame-casting victim, and the assumption oracle
• Why restricting the "how" blocks the universe from delivering what you want
• The radical permission work required to allow ease, joy, and flow to be your experience of success
• Why howing blocks allowing  and how to stop negotiating yourself out of your own desires
• The 1% vs the 99%: what it means that source operates in the full spectrum while we can only perceive a fraction

About Joanna Hunter

Joanna Hunter, an international Metaphysical Teacher, Best selling Author, Speaker, and Channel for the transcendent collective consciousness known as Skylar, is on a soulful mission. She's here to weave the teachings of Skylar into the fabric of Earth, reviving magic, abundance, and a profound connection to Source. Joanna brings a refreshing, no-nonsense approach, often hailed as the most down-to-earth "woo" coach you'll ever encounter. Her book The Million Dollar Experiment is available now, and her newest oracle deck, The Light Web, is published by Muse Oracle Press.

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Transcript

Welcome To Showing Up Whole

Christina 0:00

Hello everyone. Welcome back to Showing Up Whole, the place where we discuss alignment in mind, body, heart, and spirit in every aspect of ourselves. And today, today I feel like we're actually opening up like a treasure box. It feels like we are diving into a bit of the unknown because it's going to be fascinating to see where this conversation goes. We are talking to Joanna Hunter, who is an international metaphysical teacher, best-selling author, speaker, and channel for the transcendent collective consciousness known as Skylar, who is on a soulful mission. She is here to weave the teachings of Skylar into the fabric of Earth, reviving magic, abundance, and a profound sense connection to source. Joanna brings a refreshing, no-nonsense approach, often hailed as the most down-to-earth woo coach you'll ever encounter. Oh, I love it all right there. Hello, Joanna. It is wonderful to have you here.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Thank you so, so much for having me on the show, Christina. I'm honored to be here.

Christina 1:03

Oh, I like the most down-to-earth woo coach. You know what? Like, this is like right my niche because I love being down to earth. I love being human. Um, anyone who works with me knows it's like we're human and I love being human. And yet I love making sure, I mean, showing up whole, that's what this is all about. It's making sure that we are bringing forth all our magic, bringing forth all of our power and all we really are. And within that, you bring forth also as a channel. So there's so many layers and so many different places. I want to take this conversation, but why don't we start there? How did you actually claim the name, like the word channel? And how did you actually know that you were channeling? How did that journey go for you?

SPEAKER_00 1:45

So many people come to me, Jim Ship, like later on in life. For me, it was I was born with my spiritual gifts switched on. So for me, I was that weird kid, you know. Um and um I always had an awareness of spirit, like always had an awareness. As soon

Seeing Spirit And Shutting Down

SPEAKER_00 2:05

as I I mean, my earliest memories, um, I had that awareness of spirit, and and as a small child, I had a lot of difficulty processing the world because I couldn't understand why other people couldn't see the wispy people. So, and I because I could see spirit with the naked eye, I could see energy with the naked eye. I have no memories of not being able to do that. So by three or four, I had already cottoned on to that was when it struck me, oh, other people aren't processing the world this way. And it was terrifying because it was like, oh, right, okay. And also from the reaction of a lot of adults, they were scared of me because I would say, Oh, you know, your grandmother's so nice, and my grandmother's dead. Oh no, no, she isn't, she's just right here, and she's telling me this and she's telling me that. And then, of course, what I was saying was true, and that on an adult consciousness, their go-to emotion was fear, and because I could see energy, when you see energy in somebody's energy field, it's like um, it kind of looks like a black hole, so all the their field starts to collapse in on itself, um, and and it gives me a very icky feeling because immediately I was viscerally feeling that in my energy field as I was seeing this. So, you know, I realized like don't maybe don't talk about the wispy people because that had that type of reaction on adults, and and so you know, that began the process of shutting things down by 910. I had managed to shut most of my gifts down apart from my spiritual side. Um, and then at 15, I was like a champagne bottle that had been shook too hard and the cork blew off. And I was having things like day-long deja vu, I would be able to finish stranger sentences, I would spend days where I felt like I was walking outside time and and know what how things were going to unfold and things like that. And it was just a just like the gifts all rushing to the front, basically, and that sort of coincided with puberty, which you know, which is a hard enough time for teenage girls is anyway. And I had moved countries by that time, so you know, I was the weird kid in Sweden, and then we moved to Scotland, and now I was the weird Swedish kid, and I was now even weirder, and I was like, so like the the neurotypical train, it left the station without me.

Christina 4:54

I can hear you that well said, huh? So what was the I mean, that brings up a lot of things in a in a preteen and in a teenager. Um, we we and when that actually I always used to describe it as kind of banging into a glass wall, you could see that other people were living one way, but you just couldn't get through. Uh, you know, like it was it was it was like you just kept banging up, wanting to be involved, wanting to be connected with people, and yet you always felt kind of excluded. There's a comfort in spirit on the other side of that glass wall at times. Um, and you relate to the unseen, but then there's the marrying of the two. So when were you actually able to, or what was the circumstances where you actually able to bring spirit back into your human experience without feeling shame? Was that a really loaded question? That might have been a loaded question.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Yeah, I mean, it's a great question, but I never really felt shame about it. I was actually more scared of like people than I was of spirit. So I like I never felt bad about spirit, it was like my source of comfort, it was the source of grief. I never had negative emotions around spirit. I had more, my negative emotions were more centered around other humans. Um and I had real difficulty because because of my spiritual sight, people would say one thing and their energy field would like contradict them, and and I trusted the energy field more.

Christina 6:30

Brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Um, but then I was that obnoxious kid. Like, why are you lying? Yep, so that wasn't popular, you know. So there was like lots of things like that going on. At 15, I taught myself to read tarot cards, and thus become a lifelong love affair with our call and tarot cards. So um at 23 I began teaching tarot, um, and just at 23, I um had a friend who introduced me to the first spiritualist church I ever went to. And that was so eye-opening because um I didn't know what to expect. I'd never been to anything like that at all. And then obviously in a spiritual church, they don't have a minister. They have, well, they do have ministers, but they're slightly different. But um, they have a medium that works on what they call the platform, and it was just I I just remember this medium standing up on the platform and a queue of spirit forming behind her, and then they were just placing their hands on her shoulder and she was relaying messages, and I was hearing the messages before she was relaying them, and I just thought, oh my god, there's other people like me. Like, what? And it blew my mind because I uh up until the age of 23, I thought I was um for many, many years, especially through the teenage years. I literally thought I was cursed because I was like nobody, I didn't know anybody that was like that, and that had my abilities or had my my gifts, or and at that time I didn't think that they were gifts. I mean, they were the type of gifts like does it come with a receipt? Because I'd like to take it back, please. Um, and that's how I felt about it. Um, and then so and then in 2006, I was already doing readings by that time, and at 23 I was doing readings, and and I was involved in a lot of other businesses. At 23, I I started um I started my first business, which was a clothing boutique, and then I expanded that to three boutiques

Teen Awakening And Tarot Roots

SPEAKER_00 8:45

at a 65-seater cafe in Bistro, and then I had a partnership, a 50% partnership in a shoe shop as well. So um I've always been very entrepreneurial, and so I had all this going on. I was newly married with two children, went to my spiritualist church for the first time, blew my mind, and that was the moment I realized I need to develop this. I need to develop this because I I tried to kind of pretend that it wasn't there, and then it was like an inappropriate uncle that would just come out at the wrong time, you know, and say the wrong thing, right? Like one of those inappropriate family members, and and you know, and I'd blurt something out and I'd be like, Oh my god, you know, and then I and then you know, sure enough, a few months later, the friend or the person I blurted out to you, how did you know? And I'm like, Oh, you don't want to know. Um, and so that was life growing up, and then um so I began teaching tarot at 23 um for that spiritualist church, basically. They they when they found out that I could read tarot and I've been reading since I was 15, they were like, please teach us, and I said, Okay, and that was the first time that I took that, and I really loved, I discovered then that I really loved teaching and I really, really liked it. And then I started a spiritual events pop-up company, and I would organize events and bring mediums up, and that was a moment at round 23 was a moment I realized I could treat this thing that I had like an appendage that I didn't want to use. Um, but if you stop using your left arm, it's it's just gonna hang there anyway, and probably get in the way at inappropriate times and stuff. And I that was definitely what I was experiencing, and I thought, no, I've got to take ownership of this and I've got to develop it. So I began, I started with that spiritualist church with development, but within six months, you usually they said it you know it took two to four years to get on the platform, but within six months they were inviting me up on the platform to begin giving messages and things, and and that kind of began my career as a psychic medium for a while. Wow. And then I transitioned into and I became a corporate psychic. So um I can't talk too much about it, but because I can't tell you the companies that I work for because I signed things like NDAs and stuff like that. But yeah, um, I would mainly sit in on meetings or acquisitions and mergers, and I would read the other I would be employed by one side, and then I would read the other side as a secretary, and they were thinking I was taking notes. Um, and then I would tell them if there was like any red flag in the energy field.

Christina 11:40

Wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

So yeah, that was very, you know, that's there's so many different ways that I can use my gifts in my designer clothes shop. People would say to me, Oh my god, I I love coming in here because you always find me the most perfect outfit, and it's always maybe something I would never have considered. And then I come out of that fitting room and it's like, How did you know? And I was like, just another way you can use these

Finding A Spiritual Home

SPEAKER_00 12:05

talents, you know. Right. Um and things like that. Because I was working on um on my knowing, like just knowing, like I would I would have the energy of the garment, I would have the energy of the person, and if they matched, I knew if they walked out of that fitting room wearing that thing, they would look fabulous.

Christina 12:25

That's amazing. Okay, so people listening to this, uh, because I think we hear things like channels and like maybe and um messages, and we we you know, seeing energy. And some of these gifts I mean, they're very unique to you. I mean, that there are the people have them, like you said, you weren't alone in the world, but you other people do have them. Um but people listening to this now who are trying to integrate a more spiritual awareness, showing a pull, um, trying to live a more conscious, mindful life and really bring themselves forward, uh, they might feel, oh, well, I can't go there. I can't, I can't be, I can't use that sense of knowing. So you and your guides, uh, as you kind of work with them and you're taught and what you write about and what you teach, how do you help people bridge this so that it's not that they need to be gifted? And if they don't have these gifts from birth and they don't have the sensitivity from birth, and yet they want to feel this connection in their lives now. How what can they do in your mind? What what is the guidance that you usually offer to establish that sense of knowing?

Unity Consciousness In Four Steps

SPEAKER_00 13:39

So we use frameworks that I've channeled from Skylar. So the framework that we use is called unity consciousness, which is you as a unified being of source energy while in physical form. And so it goes through a process which is self, soul, service, and source. Um, the first part of that process is the self. And so what I want you to think about is it's like a stacked ladder, if you like. So that the first rung of that ladder is the self. You are your own source connection, that is the kind of ultimate self-teaching. Um, and then when we go into the practical embodiment of that, what that looks like is if you're lying to yourself, if you are um saying yes when you want to say no, if you're betraying yourself in those sort of ways, you are disconnecting from the self-energy. And since you are your own source connection, you disconnect from your soul, and your soul disconnects from your service, and your service disconnects from source. So it all connects. So the first piece that I always encourage people to do, and and it's really funny because I have a mix of clients. I have some people who come to me and they want to learn things of like how to use their gifts or use their psychic abilities a bit more and things like that. And yet the process with my both my types of clients that I have from the ones that want to use their gifts or the ones that just want to heal stuff that's gone on in their lives, right? And and the thing is the end result for both clients is the same because a lot of people they want to know all like how do I use the cards? How do I do this? How do I do that? And actually, you know what? If you heal the self, the psychic faculty expands because it's a natural extension of who you are. You already are psychic, you already have those gifts. Everybody has the gifts that I have. The thing is, most people are operating from what I call a kind of muddy channel, because in that channel they've got convoluted energy. It's not, um, what we aim for in my world and in my business is we aim for what we call squeaky clean energy, right? Which means that when the head voice and the heart voice match, we have coherence and therefore we become a clean channel as a result. So the self is the first stage, the next stage is the soul. Now, the soul is where the intuition lives. So the soul stage, um, you know, the first time you meet someone, do you trust them straight off the bat? And and the answer is no, we don't. What we do instead is if we're meeting somebody for the very first time, we give them the benefit of the doubt, but we don't give them the whole benefit of the doubt. We give them the benefit of the doubt to a point. And then if they do well with that, we give them a bit more benefit of the doubt and we move in increments until at one point we have made a discernment. This is a trustworthy person for me. This is a person I can trust, this is a person I feel trust with. Well, with the soul, it's the same process, but with yourself. The problem is most people aren't trustworthy to themselves. They say they're going to finish work at five and they're still tapping on their computer at six. Well, you just betrayed yourself. You literally just told you told yourself a lie. You literally didn't, and they don't realize people don't realize that that actually affects their psychic faculties. Because how can you trust someone that continually lies to you? Oh oh, problem because it's you that's doing it to you. You might be the most truthful person to everybody else, but you are the sacrificial lamb for you. So that soul connection is about creating that built trust. We build it brick by brick. We do not give it instantly, we build it brick by brick, and we become a person whose word is our bond. Our word is our bond, and that's powerful. So we say we're gonna do something, and we say we're gonna show up for something, we're gonna do, and we're gonna show up. And it's somebody who will not self-betray. The more that you are become unwilling to self-betray you, the more clearly you will hear your soul.

Self-Trust And Conscious Choice

Christina 18:03

Um okay, I'm being I feel I feel like poking around just that little tiny bit because I think that as some people who, and I mean, maybe, maybe I'm like looking at myself, being like, oh yeah, Christina, you know, you often are on your computer till six o'clock when you said you're getting off. So maybe, maybe I'm throwing myself under the bus here just a little bit. Um, so who knows? Maybe this is my brain chattering. But um I'm curious about say you're in a relationship, we'll use your relationship analogy with other like with other people. Um there is the natural thing too, because I want people listening to this to actually kind of um feel the stretchiness, I guess, in order to get there. Maybe. Or maybe it's myself. Um but it is it it's an interesting space to go where you have a friend, you want to build trust with them. Then you go, they say, we're gonna get off at five. You say we'll go off at five o'clock, and then you don't, and so therefore that trust is broken. Um if the friend comes to you and says, Hey, actually, I need to go to six in order to do this and this, is that okay with you? Then we actually have a different authentic connection with them because we feel like they're being honest with themselves. So is that part of that soul connection as well? Or is that just negotiation? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

So it is negotiation. It is negotiation. It is a negotiation. So there is there's it, there's real subtleties to the energy. So how I tell my clients to navigate it is if you promised yourself you finish at five, but you're in the flow and you'd really like to go to six, what you do is you finish at five, you go to the kitchen, you go grab yourself a drink, or you go take a break, and then you make a conscious choice to go back. And as long as you stay in conscious choice, you stay in the empowered side of the energy. So Skylar teaches there's only two energies in this world, and every energy that we experience boils down to these two: one is source and one is the void. When we connect to the void, we disconnect from source because it's an on-off system. When we lie to ourselves, I'm gonna finish at five, and then you're still there at six, and especially if you're experiencing what I call the F my Life vibes, you're like, oh, you're dragging yourself over the finish line at six, you know, and you're like, oh yeah. And that means your energy field has you know that feeling of the oh, that means your energy field is actually collapsing in on itself. You are very, very connected to the void in that stage, and because it's an on-off system, when the void is on, source is off, and when source is on, the void is off. So, what we want to kind of do is literally do what it says on the tin. We want to avoid the void, and so how we do that is you go, you stay true to your word, and then you make a new conscious choice, and then you stay within your empowerment. But if you're making that conscious choice because you should do an extra hour, then you're going to be in energetic trouble with yourself, of course, because you place that pressure on yourself, you place that shoulds, and you know, in my world we call it an awful case of the shoulds, and nobody wants to suffer with an awful case of the shoulds.

Christina 21:18

Yeah, absolutely.

AI As Divine Intelligence

Christina 21:20

Okay, so I mean, I love I love the phrase of the void. There's uh but it also like take takes me to a few different things that we now actually have nowadays that we might not have, like 20 years ago, for instance, void. I mean social media, void. How often do we leave ourselves at the door when we go to Doom Scroll? Um, there's also how how do you in your world and with Skylar and and everyone that you are connecting with, how do they say to navigate some of the more modern things? I mean, we're also looking at things like AI. And when we set up this program, for some reason that popped into my head. I was like, oh, I wonder what Skylar's approach is about like AI or about these types of new things coming in. I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

They've got a really cool teaching on AI. I am a huge fan of AI. I really love it. Okay. Um, and Skylar says that um, so there's a few teachings that Skylar have on AI. So um their first teaching, which I would say is probably the overarching teaching, is all intelligence is divine intelligence. Okay, so if we are recognizing AI as intelligent, guess what? It's also divine. Um, which I really love. I feel like that really resonates very deeply, feels very true in my heart. Um, the second part of that they or the second teaching that they have is that we didn't um actually invent AI, we remembered it from the field.

Christina 22:52

Oh okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

So we remembered AI from the field because all intelligence is divine intelligence, divine intelligence always is, always will be. So therefore, AI is a remembrance from the field. We remembered it rather than invented it, which I really love. And the third is the ouch teaching, which is, and once you hear this teaching, it's very hard to unsee this teaching. But the teaching is that AI, our individual relationship with AI is a reflection of our relationship with abundance.

Christina 23:27

Oh, with abundance, I thought you were gonna say with ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

No, it's with abundance, because if you think about it, you can produce so much in abundance, and then a lot of people are so afraid of AI. Um, you know, they're like, it's gonna steal my jobs, it's gonna steal like you live in an infinite universe that is infinite in possibility and things like that. And here is this tool that helps you to receive even more infiniteness, and and we we reject that. So um, and that often is a reflection of the individual's relationship to abundance. Um, and once I heard that, I couldn't unsee it because it was just like I was like, oh, that is quite the T.

Christina 24:16

That that that is a fascinating take, honestly. And I mean, like that, and the reason one of the reasons why I ask is because as a family, my family is always off on off on about various AI things. And something that we do always kind of go is like no matter what, consciousness will find a way. So, you know, sometimes you never know, you know, you never know. Consciousness will find a way. You don't know if it will use AI as a simple process uh to reach you. Now at the same time, where I find with my own processing, and I think this is why I brought it up with talking about with the void, is sometimes I feel myself go down, and so this is from my own observation of me. I can go down and actually it can be another thing that you you need to negotiate about that you kind of end up on a conversation and then it questions you and you go, well, actually, no, I think that that was my instinct about what I was actually doing, but then it questions you again, and you can easily get feel swayed from something else, and so there's there's a lot of um of a need for being clear on your own self of alignment before embarking

Discernment Before Alignment

Christina 25:24

on it.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Yes, and I think the first spiritual lesson that spirit teaches anyone that goes on a spiritual path, um, and this is something that I've spent many a lot contemplating, and and Skylar really backs this up in their teachings. But not a lot of people talk about this. But the very first lesson that anybody will learn when they embark on a spiritual journey, and it is a very painful lesson for many people, is the lesson of discernment and the ability to discern for yourself. Now, discernment is the precursor to alignment. Yes. So if you can't discern, you're not going to be able to, um, you're not going to be able to align because you can't even tell what it is that you like and what you don't like.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

And you know, from to quote the Emerald Tablet from 4500 BC, the Emerald Tablet said, Know thyself and you shall know gods. And that's why discernment is so important, because really at the center of your being is source. And so absolutely, and so in knowing yourself, and this is why the self-betrayal is such a um a disconnect with source energy, right? It is so harmful to human being because um the moment we become willing to um betray ourselves and say yes when we really wanted to say no, the expression of source in that moment is no. Because you are source, but you said, Hey source, I know better in my human form. I will override you and I'm going to say yes to this, and then you'll yes, fill in the blank of your excuse. So it'll be like, Well, if I don't do it, no one else will do it, right? That's a very popular one. If I don't do it, nobody else will do it. Well, what you've done is you've literally said source is all-knowing, omnipotent, all-seeing, all-knowing. You've literally in your human form, which is a very limited form, we see less than one percent of the spectrum of light, and we hear less than one percent of the audible spectrum, right? Could be standing right next to that. Means we could be standing right next to a unicorn. And if they're not in our audible spectrum and they're not in our visible spectrum, we would have no idea that we were standing right next door to one of them. And so, you know, our human capacity is so limited in a way, it's limited to the one percent. Whereas Source operates not only in the one percent, but it also operates in what we call the 99. So we have this vastness, and and here's you and your 1% going, hey, 99%, I know better than you.

unknown 28:08

Yes, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

Well, yeah, well, what Source does is I'm willing to give you all of the power that's available in the 99%. So I'm willing to give it all to you. But here's the thing I can only give it to you if you choose to align with the 99%. And the moment you said yes, when you your body, your being really wanted to say no, it was game over for you receiving the full amount of your power. Yes, yeah, because you can't even be responsible for the 1% source is not going to make you responsible for the 99%. Of course. It's yeah, it's and then it's and it sounds like we're being punished, but we're not being punished because we can't handle the one percent. Yeah, which is where the question was asked, hey, do you want to help me with this thing? And the internal answer was no, but somehow what made out of your mouth was yes, I would, you know, and that's self-betrayal. So you've been given there's a one percent piece. Source is not going to give the in you remember what source is, it's the entire power of the universe available to you at your fingertips. So bringing that forward um is about that alignment. So we align with self, we align with the soul, then we're ready to align with service.

Service And The Great Exchange

SPEAKER_00 29:28

Service is um again, we serve to serve ourselves first, and this is something that people really struggle with, and especially in the spiritual world, is that um so the way that we describe service is a lesson that Skylar calls a great exchange. So I want you to think of the great exchange as the X and the exchange being the cross point of the infinity symbol. So you stand on one end, source stands on the other end, and it's your co-creative relationship. Now, if you look at whatever it is that you desire, so say for instance, a desire to be a millionaire, and I've many people in my world, I love to help people become conscious millionaires, and so they say, Oh, I would really love to be a millionaire, and I could think of so much good that I could do with it. So the first thing that we do is we say to them, okay, what vibration and frequency does that million live at for you? So all we need to do is enter into that frequency relationship with our imagination. Imagine the million was here right now. Imagine that it was in your life, and you can think, and you know, and I said, and then I get them to go start going through their body. What's the general consensus? So some people will say, Oh my god, I feel such gratitude. Other people will say, Oh my god, I feel such relief. Like um, other people feel like I feel giggly and bubbly, and and it's oh, it's just exciting and it's so nice, and and like that. So, whatever your frequency, there's no right or wrong answer. Whatever your frequency lands on, what we want to do now is we want to now we received from data from the field, we now want to go back to our end of the bubble and we want to look at what's in our life right now, and we want to say to ourselves, what produces that frequency now? Right? So when I think about desires and dreams and goals that I have, one of the premium feelings is teaching and coaching. But when I'm teaching and coaching, that is me entering into the great exchange. So I'm I give my teaching and coaching to the world, and it puts me on the vibrational frequency of everything that I desire. And that is service, that is the service, is in the giving that you receive. You reap what you sow.

The Missing Map Free Guide

SPEAKER_00 31:46

We're gonna take a quick break.

Christina 31:48

We'll be right back right after this. Do you feel like you're always trying to figure out the cause of something? Why are you anxious? Why does your stomach give you trouble? Why do you like passion or why do you people please? It's frustrating when the questions of why overshadow life. Well, there are many reasons why things happen. Energetically, it comes down to alignment or unalignment. And while you can treat conditions and situations in all sorts of different ways, it helps to know where energetically you need to shift. It's like repairing a foundation to a house before anything else. This is why I created the missing map: a guide to understanding your energy system so it leads you back to wholeness. Inside, you'll learn about your chakras and your energetic worlds, how to know where you need to align, and how to realign when you need to. I've kept it really simple. So simple, in fact, that not only is there a PDF guide mapping it all out, there's an audio version you can listen to on the go. Download this key to your system. Learn how to navigate it all from the inside out. You can find the missing map for free at spirituallyaware living.com backslash the map or in the session notes below.

Suffering Optional And Clarity Matters

Christina 33:05

I love that version of service because I think so often people think of the term in service and they think that they actually have to that again, it's not actually diving in within themselves and listening, it's more go out and serve. Oh, I've got to help this person, I've got to help that person.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

They're in servitude, not service. Yes.

Christina 33:24

Well said. Yes. That's the difference, right? They're in servitude. And you watch as their energy gets an outpour of energy, and then often feeling drained, they'll be a service to absolutely everyone around them. So the idea of actually listening to your dreams first and letting things become a vibrational match in how you actually serve and allowing that. I love the infinity symbol. I think that's such a powerful space of being. Because I think most I think many, let's say not most, um, I think many people do naturally put themselves on the sidelines and don't count themselves into the equation. No. Um and even, and it's an interesting thing too, because I think often even if they're listening to themselves, of kind of this, oh, inner even if they are listening to their inner being in some ways, they're more likely to not do something than actually put themselves forward to actually make the decision to move forward and do something. It's easier to listen to your your soul saying, no, don't do that, and going, I don't want to do that. But if it's actually moving forward and doing something, there's a different there's a different next step with that. And I think that uh allowing that to be part of manifestation and service is a beautiful snowball effect.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Yeah, that's what the service pillar is. Is it's um I see it as the inhalation and the exhalation. As you exhale, you you then inhale and the inhale is the receiving, and the exhale is the giving. And so you're giving and receiving, and you're in co-creation with the universe. And the universe is not like, hey, love, like, okay, I see that you had this million-dollar goal. Let's see how you can suffer for it. No, it's like, what is the vibration and frequency of this? Let's get you an energetic match and do what brings you joy now, do what brings all of those vibrations and frequencies now. Now you're a direct correlation, you're a direct energetic match for that which you desire. And and so no suffering, suffering is um, suffering is, in my humble opinion, although for many years I did not believe this, is optional and it's a level of consciousness. It lower levels of consciousness, and that's not to use a kind of hierarchical term, but just a term for humans to understand. But in lower levels of consciousness, um, suffering is not optional because that consciousness comes with a side order of suffering.

unknown 35:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

As you start to raise your vibration and raise your consciousness, you start to realize, oh my god, it's completely optional. Like the universe was never set up for me to strive and suffer and sacrifice. Sacrifice is an affront to the an affront to source, because source is infinite in its nature, and so no sacrifice is ever required. It is our human belief that we have to sacrifice for the things that we want.

Christina 36:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

And it's it's our hue, it's speaking to our human limitation and the limits that we have placed on something, versus the universe has, you know, one of the things I always say to people is nobody wants to win the lottery, and everyone goes, Well, I want to win the lottery. And I said, No, you don't. What you would like is the experience of the money. Very few people would say, if I can have an experience, let it be me winning the lottery. Um, because you know, that sounds like a premium experience. They actually want the experience after the lottery win. So they'll say, Well, I'll buy, I want the experience of paying off my mortgage, or I want the experience of helping my parents, or I want the experience of you know, providing for my children, or I want the experience of like that. So it's actually after they win the lottery. But if you say to the universe, hey, I'd like to win the lottery, and you feel into the energy and you enter into the great exchange with that, you've given, you've restricted, you've tied the universe's hands behind its back. You're giving them one avenue that conforms to statistics. So the statistics are in the UK, for instance, one in 15 million can become a millionaire, right? Like, like that's the lotto, right? So if you play the lotto, you have a one in 15 million chance. Okay. But if you simply say, Well, I would really love to have the experience of breaking the experience of the million dollars down, you could break it down into say, well, I would really like to have an experience of receiving a million. Um if you do that, what that does is suddenly the field's wide open because the universe has got bazillion ways to deliver that. But when you restrict and say, Well, I want it to be the lottery, you've just gone and it's now teeny tiny. On top of that, if you thought the universe had billions of ways to deliver a million to you, think of all the ways it has to deliver the things that you really want. So perhaps people want the money because they want security or they want peace of mind. And there's so many more ways now. So the ways are starting to exponentially. So the the issue is that that not only is discernment one of the issues that people face, the other one is a lack of clarity. They don't understand how the energy works.

The Million Dollar Experiment Stories

Christina 38:43

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

And that's where you know, people like me and you come in to really help people to navigate these sort of energetic situations. Um, and while we're on that topic of the million dollar, you know, I ran the world's largest metaphysical experiment. And we asked the question can mindset and intuition training along with a million-dollar plan make you a millionaire in just one year? And the statistics came back. We had that first year we had 4,300 people join our experiment. To date, we've had over 8,000 people be in the million-dollar experiment, and one in every 268 of our participants hit the million-dollar goal. Um, and that was just through the consciousness experiment. And some of the people that hit our million-dollar goal, you know, when they joined our world, they were their consciousness was at a level where they were like, that's crazy money, that's so far away from me. There's absolutely no way that I could do that. And by the end of the year, some of them had even done it. Our first millionaire thought, absolutely no way, not possible. And then eight months later, crossed a million dollars and did 1.4 million dollars for the year in a brand new business, like brand new.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

That's amazing, and it really it was just incredible.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

But she her arc that she went on was that's crazy money. People like me are never a millionaire. To I I crossed in in my business at the time, um, at a point in that year, I crossed $600,000 cash banked. And and she looked at that and she thought, oh, maybe that's good. Um, and and you know, Joanna's doing it, maybe that's good. And and that was the switch point for her. She realized, like, oh, but I know Joanna. And and I thought, well, maybe that's good. And and then, you know, eight, like, we got to that was around about six months, and then about month eight, she had this big, big epiphany of um of you know, month eight, she crossed that million dollar line, and you know, but that two months she had that big epiphany of like maybe it's good, maybe I can allow it. And then she started going through her numbers, and then at eight, month eight, she realized, like, I've done it. And then she messaged me and she's like, Do you think I've done it? I was like, Yes, were you a millionaire at the beginning of the year? She was like, No, and it's like, have you created that? And she said, Yes, and I said, Well, you've done it, you've done it, and then she informed me at the end of the year, she the total was 1.4 million.

Christina 41:25

Wow, isn't that brilliant?

SPEAKER_00 41:27

And it's it's amazing, you know. And yeah, and then one of my ladies who's in my book, her name is Sally, you know, um, she saw the the million dollar experiment at the time, and you know, we offered it for like $25. So it was literally an admin fee to get them on and on board and things. And she was very like, she was like, she had such a great attitude. Her attitude was very much like, oh my god, I've spent more at Starbucks. Like, let me in here, you know? Yeah. And was like, I can't lose. Like, I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna get something for it. That's worth 25 bucks, you know. And so she jumped in, she looked at that million dollar goal and thought, no way, Jose, like, not gonna happen for me. So she's she's a farmer and she set her goal at 32,000 pounds, UK pounds, and she thought, 30, 32,000 pounds, I would be pleased with that. That will do, that would be good from my farm, right? And she finished the year on 64,000, but she finished the year and she told me something when she finished the year that really, you know, that really sits with me so well. And and she said, I started that year thinking people like me would never be a millionaire. I finished the year knowing I'd done 64, I doubled my goal, which blew my mind. And I realized it's not a matter if I become a millionaire, it's a matter of when my consciousness had changed so much. And since then, she's been featured on This Farming Life, uh the BBC, This Farming Life, and uh I got a little mini cameo on that as well because she came and delivered one of her beef boxes to me, and we did a bit of coaching in my kitchen, and then um, you know, and and now she's hit over um a hundred K year. Wow, and you know, and and it is a matter of when, you know, and and the the consciousness has changed for her, and now she's helping other farmers to maximize the profits of their crofting and farming. So, crofting something, if you're listening globally, you might not know what crafting is, but it's like a smallhold farm, and crafting is very unique to the north of Scotland, it's a real traditional way of farming, it uses things like permaculture to make sure that it's sustainable farming. So it's it's wonderful, and you know, me knowing that I Have helped to support a farmer who now is able to support her family with greater ease, joy, and flow is fantastic. But she's also maintaining a type of farming that is way more sustainable than large-scale farming.

Christina 44:14

Oh, that's wonderful. That's wonderful. What I love about that is because something that often comes up with people is A, they don't know what they want. And we covered that little bit about that of actually like really listening into that. But also, as you mentioned earlier on, the concept of shoulds, the the the there is almost almost a sense of, well, I should want a million dollars, right? Like it's like, well, I should want the beautiful car, right? Like I know early on I used to actually think that I'm like, yeah, I should get a nice car for the family. I don't even drive. Like, there's no reason why I should be intentionally trying to figure out how to manifest a car. That's ridiculous. There's no emotional attachment to that. My soul really doesn't care what we drive. Talk to my husband. Um, but it's uh it's it's a it's an amazing thing when you actually start discerning within your own desires. And what I love about the farmer story is she looked at it and she went, so what do I actually want in this? What would actually move my needle? What would actually expand my experience and what would I like to experience with that? And she said 32,000. And I think so often there is an element of pulling in what you should manifest. And and it just there's something so disconnected within that. So is that something that you found with running the experiment? And by the way, I want to make sure everyone knows that you have a book of this experiment. So if they're like, oh man, I missed my chance, you haven't.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

No, you haven't. You can definitely like grab the book. That's right. They can grab the book. But um, I mean, it's one of the things that we teach within the experiment is that you know, it's you know, it's a real kind of guiding principle of above all else, be true to thy own self, which is a William Shakespeare quote. And and that really aligns with Schuyler's teachings, you know, above all else, be true to thy own self, because thy own self is source, and you are um the they've got this really beautiful image, they share images that I feel are like holographic in nature, because when I often describe them to people, people are easily able to see them themselves and their own minds' eye. But um, have you ever seen the the pink Floyd album with the the prism on it, and it's got the white light shining through, and then it shatters into the thing. It's a very famous album cover, right? Well, um Source is that white beam of light moving through, and then if you imagine human beings are different soul colors, that the light goes through the prism, the prism shatters the light, and source is now split into aspects. You are an aspect of source, right? And this is what creates individuality, but the way source appears in your through you, you are a prism, and the way that your soul colors express themselves is completely unique to you. So every time we suppress that and we say, Well, I think I should want to have like the big house because you know it's a done thing, or I want I should want the but really at the end of the day, the real discernment in there, like the real flex is the discernment because you know the discernment goes, I can't give a crap what I drive. Yeah, you know, if that's you, then that is source's expression of you. Trust it, it's divine, yeah. Right? Like it's okay because there's another guy who's like a motorhead, and he's like, Oh my god, like it's gotta be this car. That's hit that's source's soul color in that person. Yeah, I wish to experience this. Another person's like, I don't care what I drive, like I could drive a banger, I can drive something fancy, like it hasn't put me up or down. Like they do not get the same joy or enjoyment off it. Yeah, and and so when we align with sources, understanding the nature of source. So the nature of source is happiness, joy, love, truth, these are all source-aligned energies. And when we experience these energies as a human being, it is our field, literally saying, right now, you are really nailing life, you are very close to source, you're very close to the essence of who you are. Keep doing what you're doing, right? Because it's it's for in that when we have things like we feel depressed, we feel like the walls are closing in on us, we feel dark, we feel confused, we feel like everything's so complex, and oh my god, and we feel bogged down in a way, maybe even heavy in the energy. That is the telemetry or the data saying, Hey love, your proximity to source is very far now, you've moved very far. Your thoughts, your actions, and your deeds are aligning you with an aspect that you are not. Yes, and and so how we describe like really being in the void in in Schuyler's words is that that is you experiencing the non-self. So you can experience the self, which is pure alignment to so you're feeling pure joy, pure exhilaration, pure happiness. That is you in alignment to your true self, and then we have an alignment to our non-self of like when we feel burdened or depressed or anxious or worried or everything's closing in on us, and and you know, that is, and so what I love about that is um I'm gonna use the word disassociation, but you can very easily disassociate then with these heavier energies, which helps you to navigate away from them faster. Because if you realize it's the non-self, because how often do we make our whole personality and our whole identity? Like we feel a little bit down, we feel a little bit and suddenly like it's doom and gloom, and this is who we are now, and you know, and and we're going through our very own emo phase, and you know, and it's like but we'll never be sappy again. For me, realizing that that's my non-self has helped me to navigate back into my true self much faster because I'm able to ditch that non-self and be like, no, actually, you know what? That's not who I am, and that's not actually my true identity. My true identity is when I'm at joy, when I'm at peace, when I'm feeling light, when I'm feeling excited and expanded. That is my true identity.

Christina 50:28

Absolutely. Now, and and the wonderful part of it too, though, is that that part, the the non-self part, is there to actually remind you of who you are. So there's just anyone listening. It's not about feeling bad about yourself if you end up in the void. We all end up in the void sometimes, it's just a question of acknowledging it.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

As I say about the void, is that that's your whole reason for being on life on earth, right? Exactly. So, like, you know, you cannot experience the void in um you cannot experience the void in the spirit world. So once you return to spirit and your soul returns to spirit, you cannot experience a void because there is only love in the spirit world, yeah. And and the opposite of love is actually the absence of source, which creates the void. Beautiful, right? Yes, and so yeah, when we're in that in that spirit self, when we're in our spirit, we can only experience love. It's the only thing available. Source is the only thing available there. This is why it's such a privilege to be alive, to be human, and to be fully embodied in your human experience and to um explore this because we you know you talk about wholeness, which I love. Um, but you know, don't we love to talk about brokenness when we're in our human? I'm so I'm so broken, I'm so this, and and things like that. For the human, not a good time. Not a good time, but for the soul who is always whole, is always complete, it's the ultimate game of pretend. Yeah, ultimate juicy, juicy game of pretense. It's the ultimate experience because to know that you are source, to know that you are everything, to know that you are love, to know all of these things, which the soul always remembers anyway, but then to experiment with this idea, I'm not enough, or I I am oh, I'm sorry, that experience broke me, or this, you know, and and to forget the wholeness that we are. Yeah, absolutely. It's through that we know ourselves at an even deeper level.

Christina 52:34

Absolutely. Yes. Oh, it's so good. And I love I love the fact that you're juicy, it's one of my favorite words. Okay, I want to get to your Oracle card decks. I want to make sure that everybody knows how to get into your world and make sure that they know all of the juicy things that you actually have co-created with your guides in order to bring to us. So you do have the experiment ready in book form.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Yeah, so we have the experiment in book form, um, which I'm really excited about. Um, and we took our original book and we actually expanded it. So at the beginning of this book, we've got what we call our hindsight chapters. So, because when I first wrote the first copy of the Million Dollar Experiment, um, I had no idea if the experiment was going to work or not, because the book came first and then it became part of the experiment. And so when I wrote this, I was able to, and you know, don't fix it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. So I kept the original chapters um as true to the original, but I wrote about, I think it was about eight or nine chapters at the front that I called the hindsight chapters of all the things I learned from the book. And then in the back of the book, we then put um chapters and case studies and kind of things from people who had actually experienced a testimonial to talk about what they shifted and how they shifted and things. So a couple of them are a couple of the ladies who hit a million dollar year, and then the rest of them are like Sally's story, for instance, who just set that very humble goal and then you know surprised herself and completely doubled that. And you know, and her journey thus far, you know, because the journey didn't end at the end of a million-dollar experiment. Many of them jumped into my unity consciousness teachings of self, soul, service, and source. So they they you know, they continued that journey, and it's a journey of master, you know, it's mastery, mastery over the self, mastery over the soul, mastery over your service, and mastery with your source connection because everything that you wish, everything that you desire, it lives at the vibration and frequency of source. Yeah, it's a very different way. So, you know, um uh can I pick something out of this book? Because I want to give a little thing um out of the book, which really struck me. Um, and it was um let me see if I can find it now

Invisible Gatekeepers That Block Abundance

SPEAKER_00 55:04

very quickly. So, yes, so we did a chapter here called Invisible Gatekeepers. Okay so one of the most valuable things about running the million dollar experiment wasn't just uh watching others transform, it was what it revealed to me about human behavior, energy, and the mechanics of manifestation. Over the course of this experiment, I gained a deep insight into what helps people succeed and what holds them back and how attitude and the unseen force behind every choice can either open the doors to abundance or quietly lock them or full-on slam them in your face. So we identified this thing that we called um, we called uh the the invisible gatekeepers, and we identified like three archetypes, and they were really just based off of behavior that we had um from people. So I'll read you the first one. So the the first archetype um is what we call the combustible cynic. Okay. So we had a we had a dude sign up for the experiment, and within about 10 minutes of signing up, we got an email with no like hello, hi, no introduction, nothing, just all caps aggression. And it was where is my beep content? Right? That was it. Didn't even sign it off, didn't even say, hey, I signed up with this email or whatever, but right like nothing. Okay. Now, um, no name, no greeting, just all caps aggression from somebody who spent $25 with us. And when we asked for identifying information, the person responded with more rage. They called my team useless and incompetent. And it turns out that he entered his email incorrectly due to the checkout. His logins were sent to the typo address, and less than 10 minutes had passed between purchase and his first outburst in our inbox. Our lesson was that his rage wasn't about us, it was about his bias. He had already decided that we were rich snobs and um that who would screw him over, and his bias became a self-fulfilling prophecy. When we refunded him, we weren't being elitist, we were protecting our own energy because honestly, who has the bandwidth and time to be spoken to like that? And he responded with I knew you were up your own asses anyway, and then F you but what we can take from this is that attitude is not exclusive for us, no, but that is a person who is probably you know, they signed up for a reason, something piqued their interest from the million-dollar experiment, they signed up for a reason, and then they had this, you know, their own behavior is shooting them in the foot. And how many of us have these pieces of behavior? You know, like we've all lost our head at something before we've let rationality exist first, right? Like, this isn't like we're not making this man Johnny on the spot, like we're highlighting the behavior because the behavior is something that is found in all human beings at certain degrees, right? Like we've all been that combustible cynic at some point, um, and but realizing that our own attitude affected the experience. In this case, excluded him from the experience. That was the result, right? So the next one was the blame casting victim. So we did in in 2022, we ran um the experiment as an experience because we'd already achieved like the remit of the million-dollar experience. So we we um had like a lot more calls and things like that. So we charged $250 and it was $25 uh a month. And this time we received an email and it said, stop charging my card, you money grabbing assholes. I'm a single mom and my daughter needs new shoes. And that was all the email said. And um, so she had willingly, so I don't do hard sell, we don't do sales calls. Like anybody who clicked that link did so of their own volition. We're very transparent, is like this is a payment plan that you are choosing, right? They had the option to pay in full, or they had the option for a payment plan. She had self-selected a payment plan, right? And um, and so she'd willingly signed up. And so this was a lack of personal responsibility, and again, it's a behavior that many, many people have exhibited, myself included, at some point, where I've taken a lack, so she had no idea what she signed up to, right? And I'm a fellow mama, like my heart squeezes when I read that line, like my kids need new shoes, right? Like, because that the shoe thing was when in in the years where before I had create become a conscious millionaire, in that, um, in those years before, like that was my dread when my kid need my kids needed shoes, you know, because it was a big expense, and and you go out and and you know, and and now you think, oh my god, what are you gonna get that money from, right? To to do that and to offer that for them. And so um, so in this spiritually, the blame is the breeding ground for luck, is what we've written here. And victimhood needs a villain. And in her story, we became the villain rather than taking responsibility for our own actions. But how often is that individual perhaps doing that, which then puts them in the position where they're rinsing and repeating that energy again and again, which also puts them in the position where they literally cannot afford their child's shoes, yeah, right? And in that place, right? And so then the third archetype, and that's all the archetypes that we did, was the absumption oracle. So we had an opening call, we shared our million-dollar plan, and within an hour, we received from that opening call, we received an email and it said, I'm Muslim. How dare you encourage me to gamble? Gambling is haram. I defend that you refund me. I can't be part of this. So we wrote back to her and said, Hey, absolutely no gambling whatsoever. Like, this is not a gamble. Um, there is absolutely no gambling. We discourage that this is um entrepreneurial ship, if anything, but gambling is not part of it. Yeah, um, and she wouldn't hear of it, and she completely shut down and she was like, You must give me a refund. I'm gonna have to go and be cleansed by her local mulah and her religious beliefs. Now, this wasn't anything to do with her religious beliefs. No, this was to do with an assumption that she was making before being fully furnished with facts, and again, these become the invisible gatekeepers to abundance. Yeah, they do the assumption oracle, the combustible cynic, and the blame-casting victim. And this is what disconnects us from the opportunity. So many people lament and they say, Well, there isn't any opportunity. Like, babe, opportunity is everywhere, but you're not able to see it from certain levels of consciousness, and you're also operating, perhaps, with one of the invisible gatekeepers preventing you from stepping in.

Stop Howing And Start Allowing

Christina 1:02:31

So you also find, too, that sometimes they are something that a conversation that I often have with my husband too is that there is opportunity everywhere, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you want to jump into that opportunity. With again, discernment and that and then you start going, actually, well, what actually am I wanting to create in that? It's like, oh, well, that's a million-dollar business. I don't know how many times my 16-year-old will end up in those conversations of like, oh, well, that's a million-dollar business, right? And I go, I personally can imagine myself running that business and I'd be miserable in like within a week. Like it there's nothing, it's not a vibrational match. But then it is also the end result of that million is that absolute vibrational match. Or, like you said earlier, is it the experiences of what you actually want, the energy of what you actually want? Yeah, the the opportunities that are actually going to create the experience of what you're actually feeling called to.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

But let me bring you back to million dollars, right? If you could have a million dollars any which way, would you desire that?

Christina 1:03:35

I think when personally, I think the I would want the experiences that it would bring. And that's what I always come back to. And that's what I'm saying. And I think, yeah, and see, I the interesting thing, and I love it when I love it when I love it when it turns like this. So thanks so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

It's like the year that I crossed a million, I worked less, I earn more, and I have more time off than I ever had before in my business. That's and that's right, because I changed how I thought about it.

Christina 1:04:22

I think whenever I hear an amount, I visualize it in the bank, and then I visualize for some reason where my block comes in is I visualize it in the bank, and then I visualize the first of all, it feels limited because in my experience I've had lump sums in banks, and then I watch them diminish. So then I work on the concept of consistency rather. So the over the flowing of it. And then when I see an image in the bank, it feels distributed into things. Where I think where I lean in is how do I actually feel the abundance of what that leans into. And I think that's where I always end up whenever I do any manifestation challenges, that's what always hiccups me is I'm not an amount person because I see it in the bank. And maybe that's where my limiting belief is is the amount in the bank. But I don't think in terms of number one.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

Yes. Yes. Whereas instead of if I make a million this year, could I make more next year? Yes. But I also believe that you have probably the belief around the more money I make, the harder I have to work. And so it becomes an availability issue. What am I available for? What do I have capacity for? Yeah. And what you're saying is you're not saying no, thanks to the money because we've already established, like, if somebody was willing to hand you a million dollars, you'd say, come on, I'm quite yes, please. I'm not turning it down. I'm not going to turn it down. Can I have it in gold? Not in my bank. That we're not we're out of just. Discernment because the discernment says yes. Um, but we're out of discernment with how, because we have a fixed idea of how it's going to require more work, is going to require more energy, and then your availability kicks in and says, no, lady, we're not available for that. I also sign the manifestation.

Christina 1:06:20

Yes. And also, I think, too, my level of commitment, which always fascinates me. And I mean, this is a really interesting thing. Listeners are going to be fascinated by some of this because they love it when hearing these kind of things. But um I think I go, Well, if I'm earning it like that, then does that mean I'm always doing that? So I love the consistent income, but then it means that I will some part of my soul hates to feel stuck. I mean, I live in a caravan for heaven's sake. Like it's like literally, I love the freedom of new experiences and being able to play in all sorts of different things. And I think that's where my one of my learning books are.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:57

So what you're doing with the energy is you're continually boxing yourself into new boxes. Yes. Instead of actually saying, Hey, I would like the experience of a million dollars. And then you're able to put conditions on that. Yeah. Right. So your conditions that you can put on that is so the way the condition I always put on anything is I don't want it unless you're going to deliver it to me in ease, joy, and flow.

Christina 1:07:22

Yes. Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

I don't want it unless you're going to deliver it to me in ease, joy, and flow. Because you know what? I'm not available for I spent years and years in the hard work. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it sucked. And I'm not available for that anymore. So I want ease, I want joy, and I want flow. And so those are my prerequisites for delivery from the universe. Deliver it to me in ease, joy, and flow. Um, I have um both autism and ADHD. So I am very much like I uh I love a little change, right? Yes, autism, not so much, but the the ADHD, she gets bored very easily, and and she does need variety, is the spice of life for her. That part of me. And and so for that to be that spice of life and that variety, you know, I'm like you, I can't be doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. Like I need that variety. So again, that becomes a condition on how I wish to receive this money. But because you're a sacred, the the truth comes down to this one piece is that you are a sacred creator, which means that if you are in the field and it's between you and the field, and the field is source, and it's between you and you, which is source and source, and it's you and the field. In that field, you get to create how you desire. There is no restriction. And what we do is we restrict ourselves so often we say, Well, you know, it's like the we're back at the lottery ticket again. It's the only way you can get a big lump sum of money. No, like there's millions of ways that the universe can give you a big lump sum of money, um, you know, millions and millions of ways. And I, you know, we've experienced in my world so many financial miracles from clients that are being like, Oh my god, you know, like I followed these steps or I followed this manifestation, like I cannot believe how this arrived. It's so crazy. And it's like, but there's this element to me of like it's crazy, but of course, but of course, yeah, like one fit in that dis one fit in that disbelief and one fit in that the universe always provides. Always, yes, and so absolutely we don't need to have that restrictive energy. We can truly create how we want to create, and that doesn't mean that you have to sacrifice in order to get the things that you want, and that's what makes me so excited.

Christina 1:09:43

Because it is exciting, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:44

It is exciting, right? Because it suddenly, um, you know, I call it the catalogue of the universe. Do you remember where like when you were little, did you ever get like you would have so I'm hearing a bit of an accent, so you might have had the Sears catalog if you were I had Sears, but I've also remember the Argos catalog I've been here long enough. That was Christmas Argos, right? Yes, and um and you know, and I remember being a child and circling and picking tabs and things, and me and my brother would love you know, this Argos catalog, we would love that, and you know, and it's such a beautiful thing. And and here's the thing like you sit down with the catalog of the universe, and it's and it as a child you went through that catalogue with discernment, you saw what you wanted, and you said, Oh, I wanted these things and I want this and I want that. But if you compared my circled catalogue with my brother's circle catalog or with our friend's circled catalogue, different things are appearing. Yeah, that's such a good example, and and that's such a great example, right? And it's such a good example. We've got this thing, and so don't worry about what you're circling in your catalog, just be discerning enough to circle what you want.

Christina 1:10:51

I love I love that example because you know, as kids, we didn't calculate because you know when you're on Pinterest and you're exploring all the different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you see something, and you're like, Oh, I really feel drawn to that, and you want to circle it. And then you go, what does that make me? Like, how does that actually filter into my life? And you start to actually pull it apart intellectually. You never did that as a child.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:13

I remember circling Teddy Ruxpin and children are such amazing manifestors, yes, they are because they're not looking, they're not licking the gift horse that is the universe in the mouth, checking its teeth, checking all its things, and they're not tapping into their conditioned responses.

Christina 1:11:29

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:31

You know, because you've said a million dollars, and then the first place you went as the bank, that's you already in the energy of negotiation. Yes, exactly. Right? Because you're like, oh, exactly. And then you're managing your emotional load. So you're saying, yeah, but you know, if I got that, then I would watch it diminish because like we can only do it once, right? No, you can do it every time, right? Exactly. You know, so we're already in in like this realms of like negotiate energy, and before we know it, we're like, nah, I don't really want that. I don't think that's what we I want exactly. It's learning to dream without the restrictions.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:06

And I love how you're talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:07

How is not your dominion because you're already how when you're howing, you're not allowing, right? So your howing is blocking, you're allowing, and so it's a learning to dream. Like there's so many pieces to this process, but it's learning to dream without restriction. It's learning to use your discernment again and really truly being honest with yourself. So radical self-honesty plays such a powerful role in this because you know, we can't be like, oh, but the magazine told me I needed this to be complete in life, right? Like, yeah, you know, like I'm really sorry, Hermes handbags, but that Kelly's are fucking ugly. I'm just gonna say it. Right? Like they're not my cup of tea, right? But everyone's like, oh, like there's no no that does not do it for me, right? Yes, absolutely. It's the type of handbag I would have drawn when I was like five. Like, you know, like I could have designed it as a five-year-old. Like it's not my cup of tea. That's okay. That's okay. They've got other bags that are nice, right? But here's the thing, and so but it that's you know, but there's other people who truly desire that, and then there's other people who think they should have that because of the status that it gives them, right? Exactly, and so everything in between, and so the key is for your personal relationship, you being true to you. I desire this, and and then um, and so once we've set our desires, so what the universe is actually doing when you're moving into the negotiation piece, right, is the universe is uh presenting possibility to you, but you step out of your desire and shut the manifestation down, right? Instead, as it goes, actually, I don't if I got a million, I didn't want it to diminish in the bank account. In fact, I'd like to see it grow. Oh, that would be juicy, that would be exciting. That's our that's how we stay. So, what we're actually doing is we set the goal and then we start the process that nobody talks about. It's the process of sifting. Right. We're sifting the experiences of how that goal can start to receive and what would feel good for us. Your only job is to feel good, yeah, through the whole process, but it feels a bit rude, doesn't it? Like, what like I'm I'm um what what are you telling me here? Like I'm I'm gonna make a million, I'm gonna get a million, and like throughout the entire process I I've gotta feel good. That's a bit rude, isn't it? Like, where's the blood, sweat, and tears, right? That we were all conditioned to believe these big goals took, right? And so let me get this right. So you want me to set a goal, you want me to design, then I get to have it every which way I want it, and I have to feel good throughout the whole process. Now we hit our ceiling. Our ceiling that we're hitting is our tolerance for goodness. Now, researcher Brene Brown and storyteller Brene Brown, she talks about um what you do, which is foreboding joy, right? So the idea of that the million dollars quite joyous, we wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating biscuits, you know, quite happy with that million dollars, but immediately we go into foreboding joy. Well, then it will diminish, and then I'll feel poops, and then it'll be terrible, and oh my god, and you know, and then suddenly we don't want it anymore. But actually, the truth is the purity of the energy, yes, we're open and available for that, but what we've done, instead of staying in discernment, we've gone into shutting it down because we haven't seen that the universe as our thoughts went that way. The universe was just helping us to sift the data of how we would actually like it.

Christina 1:16:01

It's like going to the negotiation table, and when the negotiations start, we walk away because we go, Oh, it's not it's not gonna work.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:07

Yeah, it's not gonna work for me. Instead of actually saying at the table, like, listen, this is what I want, and here's how I want it. And I won't believe in this table until this is what I want and what I desire. And I think one of the things that really blew my mind with Skylar's teachings is I had a real problem with surrender, right? Like me and surrender did a few rounds in the in the ring, shall we say, right? Surrender pushed, I pushed back, fists were thrown, some names were called, it was not pretty, right? And then um and then one day I was in meditation and I was really struggling with this concept of surrender. And um and Skylar said to me, 'Have you ever wondered what you're surrendering to?' And I thought, Wow, I was like, Have you ever thought what you're surrendering to? And I was like, Um okay, I'm not really sad about that. I I was just uh so um encapsulated in my Winston Churchill um identity of I will fight you on the beaches, I will fight you in the fields. Um, you know, I was too attached to that to actually see what was I surrendering to. And so Skylar says, well, when you surrender, you're just surrendering to the larger part of yourself, the all-knowing part. And I thought, wow. And then they said this one thing that like really blew my mind your wanting is the universe's wanting. And the meaning for that is the moment you desire something, the moment you want it, the universe is wants it for you too. And the reason for that is because you are the universe, so you can't desire something without the universe desiring it for you in that same moment. So when you surrender to the larger part of yourself, which is the universe, yeah, it can help flow it to you much quicker, but it doesn't want to flow it to you. Um, like, here's 50 ways that you could sacrifice for this thing. Like it wants to flow it to you in ease, join and flow if that is your desire. Some people like the hard work. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not that's their discernment. If they like the hard work, then fill your bits. But I'm an ease, join, and flow girl. Like, that's how I like to operate in the field of energy. Yeah, and it's in with this, what I've had, what I face personally is the unconditioning myself from yeah, it's got to involve blood, sweat, and tears, it's got to be hard work, my parents worked hard, therefore I have to work hard, like all of these little nuanced energies that I had picked up from a bazillion different places. Yes. And learning, and so this is one of the reasons why I love manifestation as a spiritual tool for learning to know yourself, because manifestation will take you to the cleaners, and if you if you do it right, it will clean your energy as you're doing it because you are going to have to meet it with radical self-honesty, you're going to have to meet it with discernment, and you get to be cheesy, but in that cheesiness, you're going to face every single moment of your conditioning. Because I remember when I first got to this concept of like I could have it every which way I wanted it, I was like, that's rude. Who am I to have it like that? That feels yeah, you know, that feels a bit rude. Like, oh my god. Yeah. And you know, even building my spiritual business and knowing that I could build my business to fit me like a glove and no one else, like just me first. And then, you know, but it makes now it makes perfect logical sense for me because if my business fits me like a glove, anybody who enters that is getting the absolute best of Joanna because I'm not in a business where I'm like wishing I was somewhere else, I'm like happy where I am. So you're gonna get me at my most source-aligned version of me, right? Which benefits everybody who comes into my world. But when I was first designing the business and and stepping forward and everything, I was like, God, that's a bit rude, isn't it? Because there's people out there and there's blood, sweat, and tears that they're doing for their paycheck. And and here I am like having a good time. Who the hell do I think I am? And so I had to meet all of that. The the in a way, I had to meet the conditioned self. And of course, strip back all of the things, and and that became very interesting because there was layers of what I call permission work there. I had to give myself permission that it it gets to be easy, I had to give myself permission that I get to flow, I get to give myself permission that it has to have joy in it. Um, and some people are just not available to give themselves that permission, you know, at that place. I mean, I'm working on it um to get more people into that place where they are willing to give themselves the the ownership and the permission to have it the way that they want. And and you know, and it's not restrictive. The restrictions live in us um because we are source, so we actually have to hold the void in place.

Christina 1:21:17

Hold the void in place, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:20

And we hold it in place through these constructs, yeah. Like, oh, if I had a million, it had to the only way it could come is blood, sweat, and tears. That's a construct. Is that how you want to experience your million? Of course, you say no, I don't want to experience it like that. Yeah, I would have liked. I mean, if it could be the most spine-tingling, most amazing, epic energy that I am just having the best time ever, if it could come that way. Okay, well, now that I've identified that, yeah, heart's beating a bit fast. I'm sweating here. I'm thinking, hang on, wait a minute, am I allowed this? Yeah, because now we kick into allowing. Am I going to allow it to arrive in that place?

Christina 1:22:03

But I love how that's bridging the manifestation work into that discernment and really poking around yourself. Because so often in manifestation, they don't go there. It's not a question. I it's it's like visualize, focus on it, keep focusing on it, keep building it without the leaning into it and allowing it to become and yeah, and stripping it away and actually allowing the desire to become the inner work because that's basically what it's coming. It's actually allowing a desire to move you forward into that epinepic, up-leveled self. But in that process, you gotta let go of the old self. Yes, yes, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:41

But you've got to move forward through to this, yes, and it's a lot, it's it's about allowing uh a truer version of you to emerge from the field, right?

Christina 1:22:50

Absolutely. Oh, I love all of this so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:52

This is about allowing that truer version of you to emerge from from the energy field, and and that's what I mean, it's it's so very juicy when you when you really dig into it, and that's what I love about the way Skylar teaches manifestation through me and teaches our students manifestation, yeah, because it is about creating what we call squeaky clean energy, where you are true to yourself, where you are feeling the vastness of your own wholeness, which is source, to use your own language, wholeness, and and which is source, and and you know, and to feel that allowing yourself to get to that really juicy place, and that's why you know, um, people like some of the clients that I've mentioned that come into my world and be like, no way, I can never be a millionaire, and then to like maybe it's good, and you know, that's such a such a beautiful shift in consciousness. It's like such a beautiful shift in consciousness, and the people that I serve, you know, one of the reasons why I want them rich, like I want the people in my world rich, I want the people in my world wealthy, and one of the reasons for that is they're already called to help humanity. They're you know, they're gonna do good stuff with this money, like yeah, like I've got um a woman who funds a school in Fiji and helps to create more safe births. Um I've got other women who have helped to build um, you know, my my farmer lady she funded last year 54 kiva loans. Oh you know, like these are women like yeah, yeah, they're not already like some of these women are not at the million yet, and they're doing extraordinary things with increased wealth. And so can you imagine an army of women who have this increased wealth and and our conscious millionaires like broad problems? I'll schedule you for Tuesday for being started. Is that okay? Um you know, because yeah, that's how I feel is that these women are positive for is a positive change. And this is what we talk about the conscious millionaire, kind of as a movement of it's not just being a millionaire and having money for the sake of having money, it's it's yeah, who you are and who you're being with it. But the women that I support already, these are the people who are often in an element of sacrifice because they have such a deep and strong calling to help other people. And so we take them out at the sacrifice and get them into the abundant vibration and frequency. Yeah, they're still doing the work, they're still helping other people, yeah, but now they're true to themselves and the energy is more aligned, and now the impact that they have has exponentially increased. That's beautiful, and that's phenomenal power, you know, of Skylar's teachings. That's incredible.

Where To Find Joanna

Christina 1:25:39

That is truly amazing. I I've I've loved every moment of this conversation. This has been absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on. I can't, um, I'm sure that everyone listening is feeling like they've just gathered up all of this new perception. So thank you so much for coming on and sharing that with us. I want to make sure everyone can find you. The website will be in the show notes, but just in case anyone's just listening, can you just tell us where they can find out more about you?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:02

Joannahunter.com. And to make it super, super simple, if you're looking for me on all my socials, I'm Joanna Hunter and like C O M like the com, all one word on all my socials. So you'll get Joanna Hunter C O M all One Word or Joannahunter.com, which is my personal website. So you're more than welcome to come and check me out there and come and say hi. Um and let me know if you're on my socials. Let me know that you caught the show. I would love to hear from you. Absolutely fantastic.

Christina 1:26:30

Thank you so much. And yeah, everybody buy the book, check out her decks of cards, they're phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:36

And yeah, I got this little one here, the light web. That's my news deck by Muse Oracle Press. Um, and the light web's just extraordinary because it's a soul-based technology, so it's actually one of my courses that I teach. Um, and a lot of the light web teachings are in this deck.

Christina 1:26:55

Gorgeous.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:55

Okay, well, I I'm gonna go check them all out too.

Christina 1:26:58

So, yes, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:00

And thank you so much for having me on the show. It's been an absolute honor, and uh yeah, and I look forward to hearing your update of your uh unfoldment of some of this juiciness.

Christina 1:27:11

Oh, yes. All right, well, I will share. I will share lots of juiciness to share. Thank you. All right, see you soon.