Living in the 4 Worlds with Dr. Eleanor Haspel-Portner

What do you know about living in the four worlds? Actually, it is something that we all do. In today's interview, Dr Eleanor Haspel Portner, renowned author, clinical psychologist and life coach, combines the spiritual with the scientific in a thought-provoking discussion entitled “Living in the Four Worlds”. She even leads us through an activity that we can repeat and benefit from. I can't wait to share this exciting episode with you!

Transcript

Speaker Dar

Dr Eleanor, I'm so excited to have you with us today with the topic of living in the four worlds. Speaker Eleanor Yes, indeed.

Speaker Dar

Will you please tell us a little bit about yourself before we dive in and your current mission. 

• Speaker Eleonor
• I grew up actually in New York, and knew from my childhood that I was somewhat psychic. I've seen auras since I was born, and so I always had the goal of getting a PhD so I could do work that would be believable because of my degree. And so I applied to and went to University of Chicago, and I went to a department called the Committee on Human Development. It's now called the Department of comparative human development, and it was an interdisciplinary Department of Sociology, Anthropology, biology and psychology. And so without me realizing it, I started studying the four worlds, and the world's correspond, and I didn't know what at the time, but I taught college for three years. I was a good student. I did a major study on family interaction patterns, religiosity, child guilt, and I interviewed parents and children in 83 families.
• So I had an extensive social science background, and then decided that I wanted to help people, and teaching wasn't the way to do it. So I did a postdoc and got my license as a clinical psychologist, and at the same time, did training as a Jungian analyst, and I didn't know better, I opened an office and I went into practice and became highly successful in Chicago, and wrote a book about divorce based on a kundalini experience I had. So starting in January of 1974 I started having experiences of other dimensions, and I was meditating, and I continued practicing. Moved from Chicago to California in 1977 and studied Reiki, became the 10th Reiki master in the West, and met my husband in India in 1978 because a voice told me to go to an Ashram. I had no interest in the Ashram, but I went because the voice told me to go. So I met my husband on the day and time that my mentor astrologer told me I'd meet somebody, and we've been together since the day we met 46 years ago, and Marvin had left his medical practice in Century City, California. We lived a mile from each other and had never met. And we met in India, and then I just did my practice, did some work in the movie industry with talent, and discovered human design in 1996 and was asked to validate it. And when I did the research on 30,000 cases with statistical analysis, I found that the body map held, but the science of human design did not hold. So I expanded the system, because I was an astrologer, and I found that what I got was a series of timeframes that matched developmental sequences in early human development, and those timeframes correlate absolutely precisely with critical periods in human development and with the four worlds. So over the course of my career, I've come to understand that many of what we as psychologists do with clients does not get to the root of their issues because we're working with them in the wrong world.

Speaker Dar fascinating working with them and the wrong world. Oh, just that thought. 

• Speaker Eleonor
• So I've realized that over the course of my career, I kept studying different communication skills, different modalities, hypnosis, Emotional Freedom Technique, transcendental meditation, tai chi, Chi Gung, you know, you name it. I've studied it, and now I realize that the reason I studied all those things was each one is specific to a given world, and that different people need different practices that empower them, enliven them, and actually connect the world within themselves so they can function as an integrated whole. 

Speaker Dar

Wow, that's like opening brand new doors for all of us living in the four worlds, let's dive in. Tell us about them.

• Speaker Eleonor
• Okay, well, we live in four worlds. I believe that the unifying, integrated field of consciousness is the spiritual world. It comes in about from a cosmic programming standpoint, about a week before and a week after birth, and it's a different energetic matrix than the reality world. But think about it, when we sleep, we go horizontal, and energy comes into us differently, and when we dream, we have evidence now from brain scans that the information that's coming from the collective archetypal unconscious. In other words, when we sleep and we lose our mental functioning, we are in the cosmic soup with everyone, and we're picking up the symbols and the non verbal energy and nowadays, the angst of the crazy world we're living in. And when we wake up, there are residues that have been communicated from the dream state into our waking state and into our reality world. And we have to integrate those so I am going to be doing a five day challenge starting August 12 to introduce people to The world. And in that challenge, I start with a spiritual practice so that in order to be clear about what you want to have happen in your life, it's very important to be clear on what your spiritual values are your core values that you cannot compromise 

Speaker Dar

I have found it is a great place to start for self care as well.

• Speaker Eleonor
• Exactly, self care is the physical world, and what we know about the physical world is so much of it operates beneath the level of our conscious awareness. For example, when you eat a meal, you eat the meal, you taste it. It's in the mental world you choose what to eat, but then all of the digestion happens without your mind or your mental world being involved. So giving space to your physical self care is critical. And so in my five day challenge, the second day, I work with people on self care and ask them to choose a practice of self care to implement for the week and to be disciplined about. About it, I personally meditate every morning, first thing, I pray and I meditate. I do Tai Chi, Chi Gong every day. I am also a swimmer. So it doesn't matter what you love to do, but find something physically that gets you moving, gets your body sort of greased up and oiled so that it knows that you're Yes, the mental world is relating to it, but you're taking care of it and giving it the respect that it really deserves. And then we go to the emotional world. Now the emotional world surprised me, because I'm using an energy mapping system called Noble Energy Maps. And if you go to www. Noble Energy Maps.com you can download a free energy map report for yourself. But what's so fascinating about the emotional world is that emotional reactivity only exists in the physical world and the mental world. So what I learned in my research scientifically on it, is that physiology is what triggers us emotionally. You're in a mental situation. Let's say you're in your car and somebody cuts you off. You get a rush of adrenaline, and your body screeches, you know, something happened. I'm in danger, and you have an emotional reaction. And that emotional reaction is there for you to transform spiritually. So the question I always ask when I'm emotionally triggered or challenged is, “God, what is so important that you would put this challenge in front of me, and what can I learn from it?” I had an example in 2013 when I was reaching for my granddaughters sand pail in the ocean in California, and a wave knocked me over, and I broke my clavicle, and that was in excruciating pain. And when I went home, I lay down and I said, “Okay, God, what is so important that you would have taken my beloved ocean and knocked me over with it?” And the voice said to me,
• “you're taking on too much responsibility. You're shouldering too much responsibility.” Interestingly enough, I was working on the Tree of Life Sepher, called Gaborah, which is severity, and it's the shoulders. And so I realized I was taking on too much responsibility. I was president of the hypnosis society, and I was doing all the work, so I started delegating, and I was so grateful and thankful, and my emotional response turned into joy. So remember that when you are emotionally triggered, the trigger is there for you to transform spiritually and to learn something so important for you that you would have this challenge. The fourth world is the mental world. That's the world we live in. That's the world we're socialized into based on our culture. And so by the time a baby is three months old and can reach for objects and make choices about how they relate to their environment. At that point, they have volition. They are driven toward being competent and being successful in the real world, and that's where many of us get challenged, because sometimes we have to wait. For energy to become clear for a lot of people waiting a week for spirit to be fully embodied within them, between the prenatal and the postnatal conditioning field, or socialization field, as I call it, that takes a week beyond when you become conscious. So I do recommend to people that they take their time making decisions until they feel right. And I always say, when you know what you know, because you know it, and nobody can tell you you don't know it, that's when you know the time is right. So in most people, and in my research on the human design system, and my system, which is Noble Energy maps or beyond human design, what I have found is that 95% of our population are here to manifest their full potential. They are manifesting generators. So any questions or anything you want me to go with?

Speaker Dar

Well, you've given us lots of food for thought, and I and I know that I'm going to go to the Noble Energy maps.com and go take a look. But I have so many interesting things when you talk about right away, in being clear on your core values, being in the spiritual world and the cosmic soup of dreaming and some of the things that are going on today, we actually integrate in our sleep. Do you want to expand on that a little bit more 

• Speaker Eleonor
• Sure, when we sleep, there are different levels of sleep that we have, the first level of sleep is sort of the Alpha state. It's that light sleep that we get into when we're in deep sleep. We don't have any. We're about as comatose as we could be and still be healthy. So when we're in deep sleep, there are no dreams. It's as though we're completely gone. And in that space, I know because I am trained as a Jungian analyst, and I know about archetypes and synchronicity and collective unconscious, that there are symbols that are common to all cultures. There are dreams that people have, and it's essentially the same dream the same night, and their continents apart. So something beyond personal personality is going on when we're in deep sleep, when we surface up into rapid eye movement or dreaming. We know from brain scans that there's carryover between the sleep and dream world and our waking world, and so there's residues of us being one consciousness. We're all connected. We're all human, and our mission here on Earth is to support each other and to love each other and to uplift each other and to empower each other, and the way we do that is by bringing in the love and the joy and the recognition that we're really one being splintered into parts, and we're not separate. We're all connected, and so knowing our core values are essential in relationships, and I've done some work with the Noble Energy mapping, looking at some of my clients and couples relationships, the ones that have good relationships. Relationships, and the ones where they've gotten divorced or separated, and I can see that the way they value and put energy into the world. In the couples whose core values are congruent, they have happy relationships, but if the values are different, they don't end up having a good relationship. Does that clarify some 

Speaker Dar

Yes. Thank you so much.

• Speaker Eleonor
• I did write a book. Okay? I wrote a book called Cosmic guidance for mastering your life, and what I did in that book was to go through and look at the cosmic energy every day of the year, and I wrote a statement for each world for that day. So if this podcast is being broadcast on August 21 I'm going to read you what I wrote for August 21 in the mental world. I say Allow yourself to expand the limits of your consciousness, but be cautious before drawing any conclusions. So in other words, think outside the box, but wait before you make conclusions about what you're thinking in the spiritual world. I say meditation time is important. Use it to tap into the quiet, still place deep within you. You are free of distortion from others in that place. Go in there and ask, What do I know from this quiet, still place inside of me, in the emotional world, conserve emotional resources. Put boundaries on what you promise. Physical world, it's important to use discipline on how you eat and how you spend your energy, and then the integrated world, sensitivity to others and to collective consciousness of which you are a part, are likely to pull you away from yourself, take time to be internal and To find whereabouts that still knowing inside yourself is so each day I give pieces of advice, such as I just read,

Speaker Dar and that is in your cosmic guidance for your life book or mastering your life From mastering your life.

• Speaker Eleonor
• It's on Amazon and in bookstores like Barnes and Noble.

Speaker Dar

I doI know that's a book I'm going to pick up. I am interested in some of your others, but that's going to be my first one. Now that I've heard you go through the four the four worlds and living in the four worlds, what we have up next is for you to lead our audience through an activity with you.

• Speaker Eleonor
• Okay, everyone, find a comfortable place where you can be internal, closing your eyes, breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth, and with each in breath that comes through the crown and down through your body with each in breath, allow that energy to cleanse and within with each exhale, release any Stress, any tension that you may have picked up earlier in the day and from this place, ask yourself, what do I know about my current state of being now…
• Am I in the right place for what I have planned for the rest of my day? I Am I in the right perspective for what I want to have happen today?
• Am I clear about what I want to have happen today?
• From what you know of what answers you've given yourself, realign and readjust your frequency so that it better aligns with your core values, that at the end of the day give you the sense of self satisfaction when you know what you know because you know it, and nobody can tell you you don't know it. That's the place you live, and that's the place you grow, and that's the place of spirit whispering to your soul every moment of every day In every way, stay in that place within yourself and just be for a few moments,
• And as you come back into yourself and your mental world and your emotional world and your physical world, let spirit, the quiet, still place within you, take priority and be monitoring that you stay aligned inside yourself, so the joy you feel it being you, gets carried into your daily life, day after day after day from this place here now release any remaining tension, knowing that you don't need to do anything other than what you've already done, and you will feel energized and balanced and refreshed, free of limitation, having reset yourself for a balance and alignment, going forward the rest of your day, wiggling your fingers and toes, opening your eyes, sending love and energy to everyone, listening to the podcast, to your family and your community and to the world, and coming back to yourself fully awake, alert and ready to go on with your day. 

Speaker Dar

I love when you say you “when you know what you know”. And so I know that right now, that in this present moment, there might be something else that just needs to be said. And I'd like to give you that space to say it. Okay, do. 

• Speaker Eleonor
• What I think is the core of my message is that we live in four worlds. Those four worlds date back to ancient times. We have four suits in a card deck. We have four worlds in the tree of life, the current world we live in does not teach us about living in four worlds. And my mission is to open your eyes and your heart to recognize that you're more than your reality world, and more than your emotions. And as you open to the four worlds, you begin to recognize that each world has its own communication skills and its own language and its own place and time every day in your life. And so I'm going to be doing a five day experience for people, starting on August 12, for them to experience the four worlds. And if they miss the 12th, August 12, that will be come evergreen, that people will be able to experience my five day experience in the four worlds, so they get a taste for each world, and a practice in each world that they can take away and implement and begin living their full potential without limitation. 

Speaker Dar

Thank you. Thank you so much for your time today, and that was a beautiful wrap up. It lets our audience know where they can go from here in the show notes of this podcast, we will put the challenge information. We will put the information on the Noble Energy maps. We'll put the information about all of your wonderful, lovely books, and hopefully they can read a little bit more about your life's work, because I just find it so fascinating, and I have really loved our time together. And I just want to give you a big heartfelt thank you. 

• Speaker Eleonor
• Thank you so much, Darla, it's been a pleasure, and thank you to your audience for listening. Bye.

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