Heart-led Leadership in Travel and The Power of Community with Women Travel Leaders

Dolores Semeraro intervierws the founders of Women Travel Leaders Jennine Cohen and Catherine Gallagher how community over competition comes from abundance mindset, heart-centered leadership is the key to community and true growth, and fostering a supportive, values-aligned network is their prime mission.

On this episode: 

• Birth and Growth of Women Travel Leaders
• Core Mission and Community Building of the network
• Women Empowerment and Leadership in the Travel Industry
• Heart-Centered Leadership and Community Support
• Future Vision and Growth of Women Travel Leaders

Women Travel Leaders supports high performing purpose driven travel business leaders grow their travel businesses in less time by fostering a community of empowered, purpose-driven and heart-led leaders who prioritise authenticity and impact above all else.

Together, through online and global in-person events, community lead learning, and peer to peer support, we create the conditions for trusted connections that foster mutual support that lead to new business opportunities. 

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Host of Truth Behind Travel Podcast, Dolores Semeraro is a sought-after international tourism keynote speaker and sustainable tourism marketing professional. 

Dolores actively works in the tourism and travel conference space as a keynote speaker and moderator, gracing the stages of international tourism summits and trade shows. 

As a professional keynote speaker, Dolores’ speaking topics encompass sustainability in tourism, digital marketing and how to identify today’s traveler’s needs through technology and innovation.

5 years ago, Dolores launched her podcast show named ‘Truth Behind Travel Podcast’ where she regularly interviews tourism and travel industry leaders and representatives on how to rebuild the future of travel.

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Dolores Semeraro: 0:01

Welcome back to Truth Behind Travel. Season 4, A full on season dedicated to women in travel, their power, their resilience, their strength. And today on the podcast I'd like to say probably two of the best examples of empowerment when it comes to women in leadership positions in the tourism and travel industry. The founders of Women Travel Leaders, Jennine and Katherine, welcome! Just to get started, really, I'd like to each one of you to walk us through the journey that took you to meet and create this amazing platform. I don't know if I can call it a platform. It's such a living creature itself, right? Women travel, leaders, how did it started? How what defined it, and how are you feeling into it?

Jennine Cohen: 0:53

How did we get started? Let's see. It's it's been a journey. It started. I guess it would have been around 2016 actually, very informally in the Bay Area, we were a group of women, specifically from the luxury and adventure segments of the travel industry, top level women in the industry, just kind of getting together and and it went on like that for for some years. And then there was, well, the pandemic started. I was going to go into some more story about it, but, simply put, the pandemic started, and at that point, this is kind of before Catherine was in the picture, I decided to formalize women travel leaders as a professional association to support top level women who were decision makers in the travel industry, who, at that point, were sort of fighting for their lives and their businesses to keep things together, when Now it may feel like a distant memory to some, the travel industry was paused for what felt like an indefinite amount of time at that point. We all know, those of us who are business owners that it can be very lonely and challenging to have a business on your own, and it was a moment in time where things were changing quite rapidly in the world, especially in the world of travel. There was no travel for an extended period of time, and I questioned whether I could really do it alone, and how, or what my real ability or aptitude, or Yeah, was to keep it all going. So at that time, another Italian, wonderful Italian, who, you know, Rocco Bova, posted, and this is kind of the magic of social media, and why I think it's such an exciting time to be alive. Of the kind of connections that technology can can make happen, Catherine had posted something on Facebook saying, I'm looking for someone who's a coach and also knows the travel industry, and Rocco tagged me. I reached out separately to Catherine in a DM on Facebook, and I said, I'm just curious. Why were you looking for this person? And she said, Well, I'm looking to start this entrepreneurial thing with the travel industry and coaching. And I said, Well, let's, let's jump on a quick call. Catherine was like, Yeah, let's do it. And it was like, from day one, we were just kind of on the same page. Now we're a global association, and we represent over two 50 million in revenue worldwide, and we have very ambitious plans to grow quite more substantially in the in the next three years.

Dolores Semeraro: 3:22

Catherine, what did you expect? And what were your, you know, your thoughts when you first got in touch with Jennine, and did you expect this to unfold in such a successful membership program?

Catherine Gallagher: 3:35

I didn't know what to expect when, when we first met, and it's a really good example of following and going with the flow, because, as Janine said, I'd been exploring this idea myself, and then, you know, serendipitously, we met, and, yeah, it just felt so aligned with everything that I was doing, even though I'd never envisaged doing exactly what we're doing right now. So it's been a really beautiful journey of well self discovery as well as as developing something that I think is really cool. We were maybe slightly more focused on corporate organizations, and we now have found that we're we're attracting the smaller business owners, and now we're going back to the roots that Jennine created, where we're meeting a lot more in person now as well. So it's been really amazing to see how when I started and got involved, everything was very much online, and now we're really being able to blend both the online and the in person. And what I always like to say is that the online community is like the glue that holds everything together. You know, you go to a lot of these in person, uh. Industry conferences, and you can meet people, or even fam trips, and they're, they're brilliant, you know, you might have a little Whatsapp group going, and you have a little flurry of activity, maybe for a couple of weeks after the event, and then you're on your own again. And what we've got with WTL is consistency, and, you know, there's constant support there with events that we have on throughout the month, where we have our members coming together.

Dolores Semeraro: 5:26

I think the two of you took an enormous leap of faith with each other by trusting each other's you know, expertise and experiences in the travel industry never met before, building a business, well before a business. Actually, it's kind of like building around a vision that some that, some might say, okay, at some point you start monetizing it and but what is the core mission of this, of the vision, per se, and for you, it was always community. And when I look at the members of women travel leaders, I almost think they also take a leap of faith into each other, because nowadays, in especially entrepreneurship, in women, there's so much isolation. People work in isolations, and everyone is so scattered and trying to protect the business, trying to look successful, trying to always make it look like everything is great, that everything is going fine with the business, and getting more business in and at the same time still running a life like a family, kids, or whatever, whatever private life they would have. You know, in the background, running in the background, that leap of faith is what I think is at the base. Feels like it's at the base of that sense of community. How did you achieve a successful sense of community over competition? Because many of your members, many, many of the members of women travel leaders, are in the same line of business.

Jennine Cohen: 6:55

It's a lot of things. Not it's not just one thing. I think it's a few things coming together. The first is, it's leading is everything? Leading by example, is everything. So, you know, being that ourselves, obviously, but we, we do vet the members. So there is a specific criteria that we're looking for, a track record for success, minimum revenue numbers, high quality standards, all of that. But there's also this intangible thing that we're looking for too, which is, what's the vibe? You know, if that person is it, does it feel frequency aligned? And when I say frequency, I really mean being in the frequency of abundance, giving back and of and of love, bringing love everything to the center of what we do. Then Catherine. And I'll let Catherine speak to this more specifically, Catherine and Solange. Well, all of us, really, but especially the two of them, have done a really brilliant job of constantly. And that's what Catherine said about consistency, creating opportunities for engagement within the community. And now, community business is like a thing now that just emerged in the last couple of years. It didn't really exist in the same way that it does now, or at least, it wasn't as popular in pre pandemic days. But it is surprisingly challenging to keep a community engaged and active. And a lot of our members say that the WTL community is the most engaged and active community that they've ever engaged themselves with at all. And then I think also bringing a piece of a depth of connection in what we do and to speak to what you said around Oh, I'm running a travel business. Everything is fine. Everything's great. Well, no, not everything is great and fine all the time. I mean, people get divorced. People have, like, hormonal stuff happening, where they have no energy and they have no idea what's going on. There's also a fine. There's, of course, there's a fine line with vulnerability too, right? Like it's not therapy where, although we have had, over the years, tears shed for many different reasons, you know, we've had members go through cancer, you know, or other other things you know, that have and they've, they've had to show up in vulnerable and authentic ways. And the idea with women travel leaders, with our member base, is that when we bring someone into the fold of the membership work we're supporting, we're we're committing ourselves to supporting that woman, independent of what her title of the day is. So it's not like, Okay, you were, you were VP of blah, blah, you own this company, and then the company went out of business, or whatever happened, and then, sorry, you're out of wtL, we're making a bet on the person. We're saying you're someone who we believe in. Yes, you got a great title right now, but we're committed to you throughout your career.

Catherine Gallagher: 9:56

I like to think that there's like Jennine said about abundance mindset. There's enough business for everyone. And actually, through what we're doing at WTL, we want to support our members to feel really values aligned, that the more you are aligned with your values, the more you're going to attract the right business for you. And actually, if you're really values-aligned and you're really specific about who you're looking for, it's, yeah, I think there's even if you're in the same destination, like, one person will be brilliant at doing travel for teenage kids, another one is going to be better for solo travelers. And, you know, so the more you can, can really focus on your niche. And actually, we've got, like, in Colombia, we, I think we have four or five members who are based in Colombia, and you could say, oh, they're all, like, competing, but actually, I know they all chat with each other as well, and they support each other, and sometimes they'll pass business to each other, because what's right for one isn't right for the other. And actually, the more you can be focused on that, I think the better for everyone.

Dolores Semeraro: 11:05

Where do you see, amongst such a diverse range of roles and responsibilities and sort of like business profiles, where do you see women truly empowered?

Jennine Cohen: 11:20

Where do we see women truly empowered? I think really when they come together, you know, when they've got mutual support.

Dolores Semeraro: 11:27

true empowerment comes under a forms of togetherness. So when, when women come together, and that's when they are truly empowered, you've seen many kinds of leading roles. You've seen very powerful women in great organizations. You've seen entrepreneurs, you've seen small business owners. Where do you think are women in leading roles and in leadership? Where do we stand today?

Jennine Cohen: 11:53

I think we can speak more succinctly to what we see in micro to small businesses, because that's the majority of our members are that versus women working in on the more corporate side of travel. But I would say in the travel industry in general, at large, it's very well known amongst women that, for those who don't own their companies, that there, there is still this kind of ceiling, the glass ceiling. Do people still call it that anymore, the glass ceiling, or is that like something from the 80s? What I think, and what I see is as a result of that women, a lot of women say, Oh, screw it. I'll just start my own thing, you know. But then they quickly realize that it doesn't matter how seasoned you are in the travel industry, that having your own travel business has a completely different set of challenges and also opportunities, and by coming together, we can share in ways that help people fast track to answers so they can grow their businesses in less time.

Catherine Gallagher: 12:56

I feel that we've as a women, we've been conditioned to behave in a masculine kind of way. There's that sort of historical way of business, of and it's still very prevalent, focused on growth and shareholder profits and and actually, I'd like to see that through what we're doing with Women Travel Leaders, we're we're primarily supporting women, that we can help raise up women in a using and really embracing their feminine qualities of leadership, and that that will have a ripple effect out to the guys as well, and that my belief is that in the future, we need to have a world which is more focused On the feminine style of leadership, which is about collaboration. It's about thriving, not striving. It's about balance, not burnout. That if we can all come together like that, and we can all support each other or be values aligned, then you create a much more, I think, circular economy as well. That's not focused on shareholder profits and growth, growth, growth. It sort of goes out like this rather than like that.

Dolores Semeraro: 14:09

Actually, I am being curious, you know, I look at different type of leadership scenarios, what do you think as the most benefit for the long run, a woman leading a team, a leading woman with a team of various sorts, or a leader that leads a team of women. What is more successful?

Jennine Cohen: 14:35

I think it's a it's a person who leads from the heart. That's what we're about at Women Travel Leaders. It's not about men and women, especially not putting them against one another. It's about leading from the heart. And leading from the heart requires having a different kind of vision that has nothing to do with your ocular vision and has nothing to do. With competition. Competition is an illusion that's been created by our society to make people more productive. So we all support one another in a very deep and authentic way, knowing that by creating these bonds that we've created, both by the glue of the online community, but now also these events, including the retreat that we just did in Panama, were bringing heart centered leaders, purpose driven leaders together, including men. We had men on that retreat too. I think it says a lot about the men who are willing to come on a retreat that's called Women Travel Leaders. We call it. We've been calling ourselves more WTL lately, because we want men to be included in this conversation. Actually, we don't want men to feel excluded. Some of our community is for women, but for some of our events, we've had amazing men there who are incredible, doing the most amazing things, and they're deeply supportive of humanity and the planet, men and women both. There needs to be a, kind of, from my perspective, a shift in this question of, like, well, how, how high up are women getting, you know, or where are they hitting the glass ceiling, and why aren't they getting into the top leadership roles? Of, you know, what we've done with a lot of member, of our members is, like, they don't want to, you know, like they don't want to, they just want to kind of come out of come out of the matrix completely. They don't want to be in that reality anymore. They want to have a different kind of life that they're creating for themselves. And that's uncharted territory. So if you want to have a life that's feels radically different from this kind of corporate speaker or or all these voices that are put in our heads as we're growing up of what you should be doing or what you should want, then you better have a tribe of people who are also thinking aligned to come out of the collection, the collective narrative, so you can chart a new path.

Catherine Gallagher: 16:54

And I'll add something as well around leadership and heart centered leadership, if you could have a think about leaders that you've had in your life, or someone who you would think of as a great leader, and then reflect on what their qualities are. And we did this exercise recently, and everyone the common theme was around. They were compassionate, they were a good listener. You know, it's all the things, the soft skills that actually, I would say they're the things that are about heart center leadership, and they're the things that take a good leader to a great leader, and that can be men and women, of course.

Dolores Semeraro: 17:43

I mean, I absolutely love the way Jennine put it in terms of the authenticity of the intention behind reaching out, the intention behind taking that leap of faith towards others bonding rather than separating, you know, rather than going opposite direction and most importantly, being surrounded by like minded people. How do you truly enable someone to lead from the heart?

Catherine Gallagher: 18:18

Again, I think we'll have different takes on this. But the thing that I was going to say is something that I picked up from the ATTA conference we were at recently, which is "modeling is everything, everything is modeling". So it's about how you can, you can take heart led leadership out into the world is through being a role model, by acting from that place, and then others will copy you and and then I'll let Jennine answer, how you be a heart led leader.

Jennine Cohen: 18:55

She is laughing because she knows I'm going to give a more radical answer. You both know that I have become this last year breath work facilitator, which is some breath work is something I've been doing the last couple of years. I know from my experience of having studied this work now quite a lot, and being a teacher of this that there is no better way to drop from the head into the heart. We're in a very head led society, a very rationally minded society. It's all about head and heart coherence. The science is really catching up with this. There's a lot of books about it now, and people are talking about it a lot in the world and in the world of leadership. But it's hard to really explain the power of breath work until you experience the similar to psychedelics, right? And actually, this particular breath work that I studied, the people who teach it, work also with psychedelics. So this sense of oneness, this feeling of oneness, the feeling that many of us are seeking, right? Whether it be through romantic partnership or a sense of purpose, through our careers or or anything else that gives us meaning, what we're really seeking is love, right? And that sense of embodiment, being the embodiment of love is is a different kind of love, and once you feel it, and it does come from the heart, the heart generates the strongest vibration that we can be in at all. It emanates, you know, wide and far, then you don't have to look for anything outside of yourself, because you have everything within yourself. Then you're able to truly show up in a way that releases attachment from any outcome, because anything that you do, any decision you make as a leader, will naturally serve the higher good, because you'll understand from a heart perspective that we're all one.

Dolores Semeraro: 21:00

How would you describe a toxic environment? I'm thinking, I'm imagining, and I'm visualizing with you, an environment where support, the support system, you know, sustain relationship, builds upon, you know, community, relationship opportunities, collaborations, and this all sounds very beautiful when it happens, but truth is that many of these women, whether they, as you said before Janine, they at some point they said, it's like, screw this. I'm going to do my own thing. I'm going to run my own business in a way or another. They do come from an environment that they that wasn't serving them anymore, that was, you know, not speaking to their values, or it was toxic, something that was, it was, was not really making sense. And I wonder how does that environment look like? Because perhaps some of the listeners today are listening to this podcast and are like swimming in this environment. They just don't know it.

Jennine Cohen: 22:06

well. I haven't been in a toxic environment in a very, very long time. So it's going to be hard for me to answer that question, but I can answer how to make the transition out of it, which is, it doesn't happen overnight. Things take time, and we all do things when we're ready to do them. In terms of taking a leap right, a leap of faith. Having your own business is one of the biggest leaps of faith that any of us can have, from what I've seen and what I experienced in the last retreat that we had as well, it does require taking a pause. Finally, people are taking a pause from their lives and stepping back and stop stepping out of the toxic stuff, whether there's so much toxicity in everything in the world, not just our working worlds, but you know, how can you blame people from being in conflict, from with one another when we're living in the world that we're living where people are under so much stress. If you want to heal any toxic relationship, it starts with healing yourself, and then relationships start to transform, and then your reality starts to transform. Not I mean, it doesn't have to be necessarily. You're flying halfway across the planet, because, fortunately, we live in a world now where there are many things available in many places, but to have a container where one is able to zoom out and say, Well, wait a second, what do I actually want my life to look like? That's something that many people just they don't take the time to do it, you know, because they say, well, well, I don't have the time to do that. You know, I'm doing this and this, and I'm just trying, you know, I'm doing this and this and this. But that's a kind of victim mentality so, and I actually really want to speak to this too. So we are not a association of victimhood. Women travel leaders. Is not a place we come to say, Oh, well, I was mistreated at work. And I mean, of course, if we do provide support around how to have a difficult conversation, but it really is about taking radical responsibility for your life. That means taking responsibility for your achievements, and then also takes means taking responsibility by what is my life look like right now, and if I'm in a toxic work situation, who is that on? That's on me for staying in that situation and but one step in the right direction is again, coming back to community, having people who can help shine the light on sometimes, when we're so in it, we don't see how toxic stuff is, just like when you have a toxic boyfriend, you know, or toxic relationship, toxic romantic relationship, sometimes you need to one of your best friends to shine the light and say, Hey, honey, what the hell are you doing with your life like what I know you like this is not you. So to have that in your professional life as well is priceless.

Catherine Gallagher: 24:51

Going back to your question about the being in a toxic environment, I would say that you know something like our community. But finding community actually, if you're wherever you're at, finding community that's outside of that situation that you're in, because it is, as Janine just said, it will shine a light on the reality of your situation. And it's only sometimes, when you see the outside that you can reflect on what's happening inside, both personally, but inside your work environment as well. And then the other thing that I would always suggest doing is it's gratitude. You've got to think, start with gratitude, thinking about all the things that you are grateful for, all the things that are going well and protecting yourself again. We'll go, woo, woo here. But you gotta imagine, I'd say something, sort of, imagine you've got something around you protecting you, that you are safe, and you know what whatever other people's behaviors are, is their thing. Don't let it come into your sphere. So protect yourself. And you can do that through gratitude and leading with love. And the other thing that I say is around boundaries, and it comes up a lot in our in conversations, within within our community and and part of the boundaries thing is about self love. It's the more you can start with, okay, loving myself and what I need, then you can start to create those boundaries to protect you as well. But one of the other things to think about is, could it be you? Could you be the one that's creating you might be listening to this? Could you be creating that? Because if you're a business owner, you're so passionate about what you're doing, and now you have this sort of entrepreneur mind, and you expect that everyone else has that same way of looking at things, and they don't, and that's okay. And it's just taking that step back and appreciating that if you have people working for you, that in an ideal world? Well, firstly, that they want, you want them to be values aligned, but you can't expect them to operate in the same way that you do. And I think if you do, then that can create toxicity, because it's the expectations are pretty wild, sometimes, from a business owner's perspective, point,

Jennine Cohen: 27:23

I think that's a great point that you made, and I want to add to it and share my own some, one of my own stories, if that's okay, is it? Dolores, yeah. So I this is a story I've not really shared publicly either, so it'll be the first time I'm publicly sharing it on your podcast, this is going back like 10 years ago, right, when I was the managing director for geographic expeditions. And I'm just reflecting on what Catherine said, and like a younger me, and also what I mentioned about how I think women are desiring to come into a different, different chapter of themselves, coming home to themselves, right? So, like, 10 years ago, I was going for this promotion, and I thought I was, like, such a shoe in, right? I'd been working super, super hard at this company and around the clock, and from a numbers perspective, I was the top person all the time. And I went and I applied for the thing, and I didn't get it, and I was told by the CEO at that time that I didn't. I asked, Why? Because these promotions only came up, like every 510, years. Said, Why? Why didn't I get it? I thought, I mean, I'm, like, totally more qualified than this other person who got it. And he his response, which was, really, I'll never forget. He said, You know Mike, who's the guy who got the job? He said, You have lots of ideas, Mike is just easy. And so we're going with Mike because he's just easy. Now, you I could, of course, in that moment of time, I was kicking and screaming and what, what the heck. And, you know, I just was, like, I was so, like, livid and upset and, and, and I think that that was kind of what planted the seed for me to sort of float away from the organization eventually. But you know what, looking back on it now, it was actually such a gift those words, because I was fighting my way through my life and through my work, just fighting my way through being a bit like, not with the most emotional intelligence, being kind of argumentative, all of these things that were kind of a younger me. And now, in this, this current chapter that I'm in, I have come to realize that there is a different way of of leadership that, again, the woowoo you know, that comes back to peace and love always keeping centered, no matter what is happening. That may mean that you don't have that corporate CEO job where you're have to be a bitch, you know, to to be successful. You know, for me, I've had to, I. Come out of my own ego. And it's taken, you know, it's been like peeling the layers back of an onion of what, what? What does that even mean, this whole thing of success. And if success, you know, Catherine said it really beautifully, too. If our mission is to raise the vibration of the planet through heart centered leadership, that sounds a lot better than than fighting my way, you know, to the top of some corporate ladder to try to get a promotion so I can be someone's boss and make a bit money, a bit more money. I mean, who, who? Who cares about that? I'd rather go for the gold, and the gold is the heart.

Dolores Semeraro: 30:38

Takes a lot more work, though

Jennine Cohen: 30:40

Takes a lot more work and a lot more patience, but things take time. It's a different kind of discipline to commit to oneself and to commit to peace and consistently, we do have quite a few members, also who are in family businesses. That's a whole another dynamic of potential toxicity, where you've got the business stuff and then the family dynamics layered on top of that, imagine, but we have actually seen some really remarkable turnarounds. I'm not claiming that we're responsible for those, because everyone has to do their own work, but I'd like to think that we contribute by providing a safe space where people can start to create a new pathway.

Dolores Semeraro: 31:30

And if you think of the future of Women Travel Leaders, when you look at, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to articulate the typical, you know, interview questions like, Where do you see yourself in five years? But actually more of a visionary question, what more of what's in the heart of women travel leaders moving forward, where is this journey taking you and the members with you?

Jennine Cohen: 31:58

Well, we want to, we want to grow. First of all, why? Why? Why do that? And it's so that we can provide even more support to our members through more focused conversations. So we have a large community now of a couple 100 people around the world, which will grow to 1000 in the next three years. But by growing, we're able to provide spaces within the larger space, around line of business, amount of revenue, what time zone they're in, business goals, etc, so that we're creating more perfect matches. And the other thing is, people are constantly you know, when it comes to engagement, you asked, like, how do you keep the community engaged and vibrant? Well, there's people every day asking, does anyone have a contact here? I'm looking for this person. I'm looking for a recommendation for DMC. I need a hotel here. So the more people we have in the network, obviously we have more information that we can pull from. And then we'll be doing a lot more events, live events, both at the international level, around travel conferences, and then we have the post conference retreats that are kind of decompression. And then Catherine's been heading up as well, a regional chapter leader initiative as well, so that the idea there is that we'll be able to you'll be able to connect your local community. So build up your local try your who are your buddies, who are there and who got your back in your own town or county or country, in some cases, and then connect that with a with a global network of support as well.

Dolores Semeraro: 33:40

It's my wrap up of a conversation that has given me just so much look at all my notes. I would have the hardest time to edit this, because there's so it's so full of tangible takeaways, tangible value. And I imagine a woman out there perhaps leading her own travel business that has never heard of women travel leaders. And I imagine her listening to the podcast and listening to very attentively to to the wisdom that comes from the heart and the experience that both of you bring into this community. And I imagine this person be not just satisfied with the with, you know, a 20 minutes or a one hour podcast that she's taking the time to listen, but perhaps inspired to take action. If there was an action that you would want anyone to take after listening to this podcast episode, what would that be?

Jennine Cohen: 34:41

we would love to see an application from you and get you involved with a high level group of community leaders who are changing the travel industry as we know it. So you could take a look at our website. You can contact us. Dolores will give contact information so that you can get in touch with this if you want. To know more. Follow us on social media, Women Travel Leaders, and we're very, very, very grateful to you for having us. And thank you.

Dolores Semeraro: 35:12

Thank you so much for joining me on this wonderful interview. Actually, it's one hour has just gone by. It will be very difficult to edit this podcast, if anything, what would you be? As I always ask this last question to my podcast guests, if you would leave the podcast listeners with a word of wisdom for their immediate future, their far future, their tomorrow, there tonight, what would that be?

Jennine Cohen: 35:38

Find your people and stick with them.

Catherine Gallagher: 35:41

Follow your heart.

Dolores Semeraro: 35:43

Thank you so much for being on the podcast today. It's been a honor to get to know you better on the podcast. We've been planning this for a long time. A lot of wisdom, a lot of golden nuggets in the conversation today will be summarized in the show notes as well as the transcript. More about women travel, leaders will certainly come on board on the podcast. Thank you so much for all that you shared today. Jennine and Catherine, thank you

Catherine Gallagher: 36:11

Thank you Dolores, been an honor.

Jennine Cohen: 36:14

Thank you so much, Dolores, we totally love you, honor, respect, you, and we're super, super grateful to have you in the community.