Dr. Tom Incledon isn't your average Joe. Dr. Tom was on a team that was able to get average women stronger than average men.
He also worked on a project that people thought was impossible, to get people over 100 years old to add muscle.
Also got people with terminal cancer stronger than many healthy people.
And from the "just for fun" department, Dr. Incledon did some crazy cool weight lifting feats, including setting a national record where he got a 200 pound axle over his head and pressed it 21 times! He also ran with 275 pounds in each hand, 60 feet in 10.5 seconds... in the rain.
But more importantly, he has helped thousands of people successfully battle cancer using unconventional but highly effective methods.
Listen in to learn how you can improve your health, or provide an alternative to a loved one who is dealing with cancer.
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Find episode links, notes and artwork at:
https://blog.dirobi.com
This show is for informational purposes only.
None of the information in this podcast should be construed as dispensing medical advice.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Dr. Tom Incledon isn't your average Joe. Dr. Tom was on a team that was able to get average women stronger than average men.
He also worked on a project that people thought was impossible, to get people over 100 years old to add muscle.
Also got people with terminal cancer stronger than many healthy people.
And from the "just for fun" department, Dr. Incledon did some crazy cool weight lifting feats, including setting a national record where he got a 200 pound axle over his head and pressed it 21 times! He also ran with 275 pounds in each hand, 60 feet in 10.5 seconds... in the rain.
But more importantly, he has helped thousands of people successfully battle cancer using unconventional but highly effective methods.
Listen in to learn how you can improve your health, or provide an alternative to a loved one who is dealing with cancer.
See all episode artwork, links and notes at:
https://blog.dirobi.com
This show is for informational purposes only.
None of the information in this podcast should be construed as dispensing medical advice.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Find episode links, notes and artwork at:
https://blog.dirobi.com
This show is for informational purposes only.
None of the information in this podcast should be construed as dispensing medical advice.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
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Speaker 2:Welcome to episode 102 of the dire ob health show with Dr Tom[inaudible]. This is really a fascinating episode. I think you're gonna love it. He has a nonconventional cancer treatment center and there is nothing weird or I don't know, Kooky about it. Like we sometimes get the impression some of these nonconventional treatment centers are just kind of weird. This is totally mainstream. It makes sense. It's based on the absolute basics of physiology, nutrition, exercise, et Cetera. I think you're just gonna love it. It bucks the traditional wisdom, but in a very common sense way. He also does mention that people ought to be taking a good multivitamin, a good mineral, and so make sure and check out what we've got with Mimi's miracle multi and knees, America, minerals, a couple of, uh, well the meet Mimi's miracle minerals is one of the top rated mineral products on Amazon. Mimi's miracle multi is newer, but checkout, one of the reviews we've got here on Amazon by Tom Watson, Roman, he says, it will give you great energy. Five stars verified purchase. He says, I love this vitamin supplement. I've tried many, but this has been my by far my favorite. I have to manage my energy levels with supplements since having my thyroid removed a few years back. And this doesn't leave me jittery but helped clear up some brain fog. Also Harris going back pretty nicely. I highly recommend this as well as the mineral supplements. So there you have it. Check out Mimi's miracle multi or Mimi's miracle minerals or get both in our transformation pack and get precision nutrition and ProCoach free with those. And when you buy them together, check that out at uh, let's see[inaudible] dot com click on transformation packs or you go and uh, you can check out the different packages that qualify you to get the free software as well as those cool products. So something to check out and get, get a, a discount, 15% off of you. Use the coupon code insider. That's for people who listened to the podcast. So check those things out. Meantime, here comes Dr Tom included with a fascinating interview, not only on some really cool ways they're treating cancer, but also for those of us who do not have cancer and do not want cancer. Some great habits and nutritional and sublimate tips that we can use to keep our body hopefully disease free for as long as possible. Here we go. Dr Tom[inaudible]. Hello everybody. Welcome to the dire Robbie health show. Today's guest is Dr Tom[inaudible] who has revolutionized the way over 40,000 people have achieved their health and performance goals. He holds multiple degrees in management nutrition, can use geology and a phd in physiology. He is a member of 30 plus scientific organizations and has trained at the Olympic level and weightlifting. Doctor included is a world renowned expert in human health and performance, the founder and chief scientific officer at[inaudible] wellness where he's pioneering a new database approach to cancer treatment that combines traditional and nonconventional practices. Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's my pleasure. Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 2:I've been excited about this. Uh, your, your resume is so interesting. There's so much to talk about just from your history and your degrees and the things you've done. You've got fascinating person just kind of written all over that resume. Okay. Yeah. I mean that's gotta be quite a journey. It sounds like you spent many, many years in college.
Speaker 3:Yeah. You know, it's funny because I was the guide, I was, I, I was really into sports and the idea of going to school that was like, you know, the equivalent of going to prison for me and one of my coaches one day said to me, there is no way you can, you know, be a dumb muscle head. I want you to be educated. And, uh, I was like, Whoa, what? And then here we are, 23 years of college education later. Uh, as it turned out, I, I was really fortunate to meet some really, really bright people that, you know, got me engaged and motivated to continue on my education. And while I was, you know, in that journey I got to do some really cool research projects and I was with the team that we were the first group to get average women stronger than average men. And another project we were able to get men over 100 years of age to add muscle to this date is very few people that could claim me, I can add muscle, you know, at any one throughout their lifespan. And then later on we would have group that we got people with terminal cancers, we got them stronger than anyone in the world. So it wasn't like really unique types of accomplishments and not prime. Many people could say, hey, I was part of that first research project that proved you could still add muscle while you're fighting disease.
Speaker 2:That is really incredible. Where did you do that research at?
Speaker 3:Oh, that stuff was at Penn state
Speaker 2:and that's where you got your phd
Speaker 3:now? I got my phd at the University of Miami. So I basically, I finished up a three degrees at Penn state and during that time I was involved in all kinds of different research projects. And then I was, um, competing in Olympic weightlifting and I met a bunch of weightlifters and, uh, one of the guys was going, he was pursuing his phd at the University of Miami at the time I was interviewing for different programs running the United States. And I was, um, not
Speaker 4:really liking a lot of the, a lot of what I was seeing. I was, I was eventually hoping to get my MD and my phd in exercise physiology. And believe it or not, most per most medical schools, uh, the value exercise. And so the idea of, uh, someone doing a phd in exercise seemed preposterous to them. And, uh, when I got to Miami is one of the few programs and say, yeah, we think that's an excellent idea. And so yeah, kind of through various reasons, Miami wind up being a place to go.
Speaker 2:You were ahead of your time.
Speaker 4:Yes, I was, uh, most of the schools was amazing back then. Everything was looking, it was the infancy of genetics and genomics. And so everybody saw it. We're going to study all these genes and solve all the mysteries of the disease world type, so to speak. And um, now we know that it's not true. You know, it just opened up more questions and it really solved that many questions for answer many questions for us. But it did open up a lot more doors and opportunities lie in understanding human body.
Speaker 2:Well, I want to dive into all of that, but first I'd love to hear you talk about your personal experiences with the Olympic weightlifting.
Speaker 4:Well, I was a, I was one of those kids. I was just born freakishly strong. So, uh, by the time I was 12 or 13, I can lift weights that, you know, most kids couldn't. And uh, I really didn't know what I was doing though. I had no idea. I had no proper training, you know, in terms of mechanics or technique and stuff like that. And one day I was in, um, a joined a gym called the Annenberg Gym and, um, Milltown New York and a bunch of guys there, or powerlifter guys, they saw me squatting and they got me involved in powerlifting. I winded up, uh, my first contest, I wind up saying all kinds of records and doing pretty well at a local level, not a, not a national level. And then I'm the one up getting in competing at the national level and setting all kinds of national records. And then one day I met a guy that had, um, he had a degree in engineering, mechanical engineering and a degree in marine biology. And he winded up, uh, started talking and he was obviously pretty educated compared to, I was at that point in my academic career and he said, hey, I want you to meet this other guy and you think you guys will get along. And the other guy was actually coach for Olympic lifting. It's like I started work with me and you know, at the time I was, uh, I was doing what I called a power queen. But really most people would say it was a stiff, like deadlifts into a reverse curl. But I was doing over a hundred kilos, which is not many people could reverse crow, 20 to 20 pounds. And so they were like just kids crazy strong, but he doesn't know what he's doing with a bar. That's how they wound up working with me. And I did okay. Olympic lifting, I was never really flexible. So it, when I was competing, I want to say maybe I got to snatch it almost 300 pounds and queen and jerking depending on the, with body weight, anywhere from, um, maybe let's say three 50 to 400 pounds. But Dennis, I left, uh, Olympic lifting. I winded up, uh, getting into all around lifting and eventually strong men competitions and a strong man competitions is where I really kind of felt my, found my niche. He was, um, it worked better for my body type where I was really strong but not as flexible or as fast. Um, and so I could, you know, just to just worked really well with me and in no time at all I was said national world records and strong run contests. But the foundation I, I learned in Olympic lifting, like now I knew how to use my hips and def triple extension, the ankle joint, the knee joint and hips, which I, most people don't have that kind of foundation before they go into the sports. So, so lucky for that
Speaker 3:coaches,
Speaker 4:if I can get it to my clavicle, I could get an overhead. I had really good pressing capabilities. And so I had a set, a national record where I got a 200 pound axle and I pressed it 19 times, which is a, you know, how many guys done that kind of much weight,
Speaker 3:that many reps in that weight class. And later on I ran with a 275 pounds in each hand. I ran, I think it was a 60 feet and 10.6 seconds, which so running with 550 pounds. And the crazy thing is I did it when it was raining, which is a, these are unusual situations. Hopefully you're not running with that much weight when it's raining.
Speaker 4:And, um, I wind up my dead, lifted a truck I think 17 times. And then as I got older and I started, you know, gaining more weight, um, when I was right around two 16, I deadlifted at nine 45 for a triple and a d I s my polling strengths got really good. As I got a heavier a squad strength may be a seven 65, 800 pounds, four out of a full squat. But I actually, um, I've walked out with over 1200 pounds of weight.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I've, I've handled some decent weights as, uh, as I got heavier and older.
Speaker 2:Well, well let's move on to a, at the end. Thank you for sharing all that. That's a lot of fun. I mean, that wasn't even in the bio that you guys sent over. And so, uh, to me that's just a bonus to find out. You had such an interesting backstory with your own fitness because you've gone on to do really meaningful things in, in work on cancer. Let's start about that. One of the things you start talking about that one of the things that you are talking about out there is the questions people need to be asking about cancer and the lack of information about cancer. What is it that we're getting wrong about cancer and what questions should we be asking?
Speaker 4:Let me, if you don't mind, let me connect a few dots because a, for people that know Ma don't know my background, a lot of times where I get asked is, um, you know, you were competing at world's strongest man and what do you, what do you, what do you, why do you think you could help people cancer, right? They usually, they stuck at that conceptual leap and what they don't always realize is that, um, one, um, I was an athlete that did well on five sports, not just one. And that same competitive drive is what I would bring to the table when I would work with any human being. Didn't matter if you're an NFL athlete, an Olympian, someone in the wheelchair with spinal cord injury or head injury or someone that's dealing with a terminal cancer, I'm going to bring to the table where are we going to do to get you where we want you to be. And that's a very different approach to what most people are exposed to, are accustomed to in a healthcare world. And one of the first things that stood out for me when I started getting involved with more and more people with diseases is that wow, healthcare really sucks. And health care really makes allowances. So hey, you're weak and you're fragile and you can't move. And that's okay. And I'm like, who said that was okay? When did it become okay to fail? When did it become okay to allow someone to suffer? And so I immediately like, this is the wrong mindset, is the wrong approach. We're not helping people by lowering our standards, we're putting them in prison and we're just not telling them that's what we're doing. So I took basically the model that I use when I worked with the Ravens when they won two Superbowls and when their worked twist the base giants and they won these world series. I took those same models that we used to turn out all these athletes that you know said well records and one always did well and all the sports who said this is what we're going to start doing for disease. So I brought in an amazing oncologist. I brought in an amazing naturopathic physician and amazing strengths coach and amazing physical therapist and chiropractor and so forth. And I could have like sort of created like the super friends team for healthcare. So now when a patient comes in and they think, oh, I got cancer and I want to beat this cancer, I'm seeing, okay that's one part of you that doesn't define you. What else is going on? And we look at, you know, behavioral issues, psychological issues, mechanical issues. And so a, the joke like a patients that have gone through our program, they're like, you know, I came there for my breast cancer but you fix my knees. And they joke that they got way more than they were expecting and everyone leaves here stronger and faster than when they came in and everyone has more muscle. So, uh, just like, although sort of super crazy things I did in my own sports
Speaker 3:and we've had a athletes gaining 20 to 30 pounds of muscle, we now have had patients with terminal cancers that have gained 40 pounds of muscle and there's no evidence of disease in their body when they leave. So we've been able to take a system that was originally never used in health care, now start applying that to healthcare and it's a lot of fun. Um, you don't see anyone dying here. You see everybody laughing. You don't see any doctors here wearing in white lab coats and it's a whole different experience. Uh, as a matter of fact, so right now I just saw a bunch of patients today, um, where wearing, uh, you know, like sandals and shorts and a polo shirt. And most people come in, you know, like, wow, this guy does not look like a doctor. And I remind them while I'm not a physician, but I am a scientist and I don't know what your definition of a doctor should look like in your head, but I guarantee you you're going to like what the definition is that I'm going to share with you. And a, as people get bigger, faster, stronger, and their diseases disappearing, they tend to really be pretty happy and then they want to get all the rest of their family members here. So it's kinda like the connecting dots, if you will. And so today, I know in a bio it says about 40,000 patients, but the, the current estimates we probably have impacted closer to 100,000, some clinical trials. I've been involved in that from different groups that I've got consult with. I've done research with, uh, we've met people from all over the world. Uh, just today I had doctors in from the Philippines, a we'll have doctors coming in from Spain. We will recently in Costa Rica. And I was presenting some research at the world owes and without Borders conference. And it's clear as day that you know, every single cancer treatment center needs to really step up their exercise game. It makes no sense to me how all every major center in a world has pathetic exercise. Exercise is just not like, okay, let's wiggle our fingers and toes while we sit in the chair walking in water, exercise about having an attendant, a purpose, and how am I going to conquer this disease that's trying to kill me each every day on my life? So it takes a little more action than just sitting around and waiting for things to get stronger. So now that leads into now to questions that people should ask any health care professional when or when they're considering things. One, patients need to understand that when you're diagnosed with cancer is an overwhelming journey. If you think you're going to read some stuff on the Internet and figure out what to do, you're lying to yourself and you're going to make a dangerous mistake that will wind up in you dying. Um, you cannot possibly fast track all the misinformation and the rational information and balance it out in your head. What I see people do is ask really dumb questions like what your treatment success rate or do you do this one specific treatment. The reason why those of dumb questions is because we already know that each and every one of us is so unique, we respond differently. So it doesn't matter what was done with another human being telling someone, okay, everybody that came here was alive today. That makes you feel good. So you sleep at night peacefully. That doesn't actually help you be cancer. In order to beat cancer, you actually have to know what's going on inside of someone and what to do about the specific things going on inside that person. So the two questions that matter is, one is that a patient should ask to healthcare professional. Typically it should be a medical oncologist. They would ask that person, what would you do to help me beat the cancer in my body? Not The label, not the diagnosis, but the cancer. And so Tom and[inaudible] body, what are you gonna do to kill the cancer, my body? And then you listened to what they have to say. If they already have an entire treatment program before they know your name, you already know you're a number, you're not an individual human being. We already know that doesn't work. So why would you go that route when you already know it's a dead end or potentially a dead end? I mean there are some people that may go that route and get better, but those numbers are not as high as it could be. The second question to ask is what will you do when it does it work to at least a thousand or more pathways by which cancer cells can grow and the test of size, you're not going to be able to take a single substance and kill every cancer. So while it's theoretically possible, practically, I've never seen it happen. And so this is where, um, people get distracted and going down to other pathways and looking at other things and they don't get the actual information that could save their lives at. So that's why I'm so passionate about making sure people are aware of the right questions to ask. Cause then what you find out, by the way, most senators don't have a plan B for you. So when you try to protocol and it fails the next step they have for you as hospice or it accepts and your home to die and we already know there's so many options available for people, it takes competent care to guide them through that decision making.
Speaker 2:One of the things you, you uh, what's the word I'm looking for? You say you, you claim that mental health is the most untapped cancer treatment in healthcare. Now you're claiming that based on a lot of experience and working with, as we mentioned earlier, tens of thousands of people. And yet it's not something we hear from other experts in the world of cancer. Can you talk to us about what you mean when you say mental as the most untapped cancer treatment in healthcare?
Speaker 3:Here's what happens is that, um, when uh, people, um,
Speaker 4:diagnosed with cancer, it's really an overwhelming journey that they're about to undergo. And most people will say things like, I'm going to do whatever it takes. But then as soon as things get difficult to given up because they've never been in a fight for their life before, so they think they know what's in store for them. But this is something that until you've done it, you don't really know what's involved. And what I've seen over and over again, factors that help people get through this overwhelming journey. Um, there are more mental and behavioral than they are physical. Um, it's more of a, it's more mental, behavioral than treatment for many times. And so an example is this. So we will ask someone, what's your purpose in life? And it's clear as day the people that can articulate why need to do this. People that feel like they have a reason to be here, they have a reason to wake up tomorrow. Those people do significantly better than people that can't answer the question. Um, if we would ask then if we see some doubt, I've asked many patients, you know, do you really want to beat this? And these are yes or no questions. Like, yes, I want to beat this. Yes, I want to live. You shouldn't have to hit it. It should be no hesitation. If I say, Hey, do you want to live? So you go, let me think about it. That already speaks volumes right there. Every cell in our body is wired to live, so we should be able to instantly say, yes, I want to live. Yes, I have a purpose of here's my purpose. If we can't articulate those things, those are those that's pretty serious. The people that can articulate it or the people I give answers. If I say, Hey, do you want to live? And they go, well I wouldn't be here if I wasn't serious that skirting the issue. They're not directly answering the question and what I've seen over and over again is they won't put effort into raising a bar or getting better. When it gets difficult, they'll give up and we're at a position where we don't need people's money. I don't want someone to pay for something and they're going to quit or give up. Cause then what happens? They won't say, why didn't really do what you asked me to do. They're going to say, well, this did it work. So right at the very beginning, we sit down and make sure to heads on straight. Um, you're not gonna win a super bowl that quitting. You know, by giving up, you gonna win by putting more effort than your opponent's so willing to put and you wear him down over time. Cancer is a disease that doesn't take a holiday. There's no vacation, there's no break. So if you lose sight of the fact that you fighting yourself, warming enemy, um, things can change very quickly. We seen over and over again where people, uh, because they make poor choices or they don't, they push things off. They, um, they go from, I feel fine and two weeks later they're dead. One, the classic mental, or let's say, um, may be a psychoanalytical issues that we see people make. And it's a serious mistake. No one in history has been able to prove they can feel cancer cells growing in your body just hasn't happened. Cause if it was true or possible, you get cancer killed when it's like five or 10 cells, you wouldn't wait until it's a giant tumor inside of you. But what does everyone go by? They go, well, I don't feel any pain. And there's somehow rationalizing that the threat to their health is not serious, but you don't want to feel pain. You don't want to feel fatigue if you're at that point. It's way more serious than you think. And so we want to try to do is at the very beginning, get people's focus and attention to head on straight. I've unfortunately, um, I have, you know, maybe 200 or more conversations a week now and we get people calling in, like a woman calls in and she's like, I really want to do this, but my family's not supporting me. And I'm like, what do you mean your family's not supporting you? There's actually people fighting cancer and their loved ones want them to do something different. And you're like, wait a minute. The patient that has the cancer should have the freedom and the right to say what they want to do. And the family should be respectful enough to support their decision. The worst thing for someone is to under the legend you're in the dark without a flashlight and you know, your family says, you know what? We're not coming to rescue you. How's it going to feel? How's it going to help you get better? And what's really just shocking to me is how many people, uh, today in this world actually going through that journey where to dealing with cancer and to not getting the support from their family members that they could be. So this is why we talk about, you know, the mental health aspect. Um, in my mind I would say I would kind of use a bigger term almost like I'm stuff outside the body in a Wayne cause I feel it, it covers things that some people may categorize a spirituality, other people may see behavior and people may say psychology. And I don't want to really create a simple label that gets people thinking some way. I want to have the freedom to explore something without boundaries so we could really help figure out what's holding someone back so we can help them get me, you know, get better and make progress.
Speaker 2:And so of the people listening to my show right now, I'm sure many of them know someone who has cancer. Cancer touches everyone in every family. And so this is excellent information to know about you and your facility and these stories are inspiring. Uh, and yet most people don't have cancer listening to the show right now. And so from what you've learned doing what you do about mental health, what advice do you give to people who are currently not dealing with cancer on what they could be doing to take care of their mental health proactively before they have a debilitating disease or a major problem in their life?
Speaker 3:So, gosh, sue, um,
Speaker 4:it's a little difficult to answer that only because, you know, like for, for purpose of communication or education, you know, we take the human body or let's just say to human being, maybe that's a better term and we kind of break it down. You know, we break it down in different physiological systems. We might say mind, body, Spirit, like somehow we categorize things. So we can, you know, share our thoughts about particular area. But what I would say, let me first answer that from a bigger picture and then I'll kind of come down and answer your question more specifically. But we know things like, um, uh, dysfunctional sleep sitting, uh, things like, um, not getting enough sunlight. So basically anyone has, um, like a sleep disorder, whether it's insomnia or sleep apnea, anyone that doesn't get any sunlight, anyone isn't move enough. Uh, people that watch the most amount of TV. These are things that are related to an increase in risk for all diseases, especially cancer. So in general, we want to make sure those areas, people are thinking about how do I make sure I move enough? How do I make sure I do what I'm supposed to be doing? Because it tends
Speaker 3:not to happen enough for many people. But all that ties into things like a, let's just look at, let's say someone doesn't get enough sleep at the increased cytokine levels in their blood. And now over time it starts to affect their emotions and their behavior affects their thinking. It's not so it's not so quick where they could see a difference, like, you know, um, or it's like light and dark, you know, clear contrast type of thing. It's more subtle over time. And so then you're their thinking or decision making changes where instead of using more of a strategic thinking process, they become far more reactive. And if we were sit down and say, you talked to anyone socially, you know, say a dinner, most people say, oh, it's better to think strategically. But then when you see how people actually live their lives, you know, everyone's just, just doing the best they can to manage their time and deal with all the responsibilities of their life. A lot of times there's decisions made reactive we, and in this reactive thinking process to not always optimal for biology. And so, you know, one of the things that I would say that people can do in sort of a preventative way is actually plan out to make sure they're doing all these things to be healthy. And then exercise, the way that it should be done is very different than the way most people do it. Most people do things that they like and they do things that is easy for them and the stuff they don't like, they simply say, well I don't like it and I don't do it. But the mistake they make in terms of exercise selection is not understanding why is it, you know, they don't like to do something. So as an example, I talked to someone, they go, I don't like running like me. It's interesting. When you were five, did you run around? Like most kids, they go, well, yeah, ran around everywhere or what changed? So if every cell in our body is wired for survival and healthy cells have more energy and like to move more than unhealthy cells, what's changed in your life that you don't want to move as much? Typically there's uh, some movement patterns that are altered. So let's say someone and injury and now it's years later and have arthritis in their hip or their knee. So every time they moved too much there, try and get some flamed and inhibits their ability to move with'em. With that, we then explore how do we resolve that issue? And part of what we do for patients here, we dramatically increase their quality of life because we were moved their dependence on other human beings to do things like, you know, go to the bathroom or um, go food shopping and et cetera. Uh, we have, uh, gosh, I don't know how many people have come in wheelchairs and then the joke is, well, get ready to start that thing out cause you're not gonna need it anymore. And so we have what's called a wheelchair graveyard where all the wheelchairs people we've taught, they don't need anymore because we got them so physically strong to never kind of need that again. So, um, hope that, uh, you know, the message that I'm sharing with you through your podcast is data. If people just do a little bit of planning in advance, they get to keep their entire human being, you know, of existence healthier. Then we use movement as a primary driving force for all of that. And um, oh, I mentioned something earlier cause I don't think it is elaborated enough. When we have people exercise here, uh, we have them reading high charts and we have them answering questions and interpreting different symbols. The reason for that is we exercise your brain while we exercise the rest of your body. And the result is that when your brain maps your body with greater detail, you get good at every thing you do. So you're faster, you're stronger and more flexible, you're more coordinated and your immune system is stronger. And so it's like 10 for the price of one. And now he's saying, wow, all this research shows that exercise can do all these things. Now let's look at why is it any cancer treatments in around the world? And the major centers don't have anything like that. The reason is you can't make money off of it. They haven't figured out how to get, you know, insurance to cover it or something else to make it profitable. So they just ignore it. And that's, uh, it's, it's a very powerful weapon that people need to employ if they're dealing with cancer.
Speaker 2:Wow. There's a lot there. And, uh, you know, this is the kind of conversation we could go for hours and of course you don't have hours and we can't go for hours. But this is so fascinating. Could you give us a few tips for those of us that want to live long, healthy disease free lives? You've alluded already to some of the mistakes people make in exercise. What type of exercise should people be doing to, uh, not only just be generally fit, but you talked about people not wanting to do certain exercises cause they don't like them. What are the top exercises you think people ought to be doing that they're not doing?
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 3:Well still, first thing people should do are things like, um, every morning, every evening they could do what we call high payoff drills. And I first learned about a lot of these movement patterns through Dr Eric McCobb and his company called Z-Health. And then over time I started, you know, building on that and doing more things. Uh, with it, uh, in terms of helping people get their brain to map to their body. And these are things like shoulder circles, hip circles, ankle circles, and you kind of think of it this way. If you want to try to exercise as many muscle fibers around the body
Speaker 4:would come, movement would get every muscle fiber. And um, one of the things that really helps a lot of people is, um, when they do a circular motion, it gets the fibers that are running every different angle. So imagine like, um, okay, let's see like the shoulder joint, if you look at the anatomy of all the muscle fibers running across the joint, they're running a lot of different directions. So let's just say if I just move my arm, you're one plane or to another plane, what's, I just move it from my side to straight overhead in front of me. I'm going to get those muscle fibers involved in that movement pattern. Let's say if I raise it from my side out to decide or versus raised my arm behind me and when we're hitting the build muscles running those directions or the muscle fibers right in those directions. But if I move in a circle, I'm sure it hit as many different fibers as possible. And by then changing your body position. So let's say I'm standing and I point my fingers to the sky and I make like a circle motion with my arm. So I'm moving my shoulders around the circle versus now let's say I'm parallel to the ground and I do the same shoulder circle like I have my now my arm extended, so it's parallel to the ground. What you're gonna find is you feel it in different muscles around the shoulder or different parts of shoulder. The significance of that is make sure that every fiber is getting some stimulation or activation or recruitment and it helps to get rid of weak links over time. That's kind of figured out more as like a mechanical effect. And then for neural effect. As it turns out, it appears that doing certain movements in the shoulder reduce stress or tension or pain in the opposite hip. So doing something in the right shoulder reduces challenges or issues with your left hip. You could also do the same reciprocal reaction like moving the hip gets rid of things in the shoulder. So just doing simple things like um, shoulder circle, hip circle, ankle circle for both sides of the body in the morning cause somebody could be done in two to three minutes. It basically sets the stage that you're going to feel better moving
Speaker 3:throughout the day. And then over time working on more precise movement patterns and think quality, not quantity. And the reason why this stuff matters is because when we see men and women over 80 that look really good, everybody focuses on their muscles and their, you know, to outside the body stuff. You know, how do they physically look? What they do not see is the connections from the brain to the rest of the body. It's the brain that controls everything. So if you ignored the brain then you're going to lose what you have, Esther. But if you get the brain engage and actively controlling more of your body, guess what? Your brain stays younger and you physically move better and now you look better on the outside. So that would be like the one big tip or tell people is do some activities that help your brain to map to your body better because it'd be one of the best returns on your investment of time you'll ever get.
Speaker 2:Do you have a resource or a book or anything on your website that would help people understand this concept better? I think it's a great concept. How would someone learn more?
Speaker 3:So if they go to our website, the website is caused[inaudible] dot com and on the actual site, well one so that they can sign up for to make a console with the doc. They could usually first consult is free, who would say, look, here's how we can help you type of thing. But on the actual site as a tab for resources and they can get access to all of our free ebooks and things like that that talk about these concepts.
Speaker 2:So Concentra is not just for cancer patients?
Speaker 3:No, we, um, so we're basically a one stop shop for healthcare. We do everything except like major surgery. And then, you know, as important to free console, we'll tell people, hey, um, based on your condition, here's what you should be looking to have done and we don't do that or we're not the best place for that. Here's a better place for that. Uh, so that way we get people, you know, going in the right direction and then we would say, well, after you get that done, then come back here and I will do the southern stuff, can make what you just had done work even better or produce better results. So an example would be, uh, let's say you tore a ligament. Well, we're not going to be able to reattach our league here, but we have all this data on how to accelerate tissue repair after surgery. And uh, people that come here, they recover eight times faster on average. So you know why, why suffer and deal with pain when you come here and get you know stronger more quickly and you know, be through that whole pain cycle. Like many people that come here don't need any pain meds when they're to go after surgery because of the way we teach them how to move. We teach people how to move so that they don't get pain from the surgery to just had done so that they didn't need any of the opioids that are real popular right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll put a link to that resources page on the show notes. For those of you listening, we post all of our episode notes and links on blog dot[inaudible] dot com that's d I r o B i.com will be episode 101 or 102 something like that. So depending on when you're listening to the show, just a scroll through to episode one on one or one or two. Otherwise, just search search. The Keyword Inc include done I. N c l e d. O n. Now before I let you go, you've given us great advice on a lot of things really. Uh, but I want a couple of other tips from you. I break health down into three major areas, nutrition being number one, and uh, exercise being number two, and then supplements to supplement those two things. And you've given us a lot on, on exercise and movement. How about some of your, your best nutritional advice?
Speaker 3:So generally speaking, we encourage people to eat as wide a variety of food as possible. And the reason is nature's figured out a lot of things we're just beginning to grasp and understand. Now the one hand, um, if you say, well, I eat a whole foods diet type of thing, one limitation is that there's no guarantee something you're looking for is going to actually be in the food. So it was an example. Um, if you go to United States Department of Agriculture website and look in their database for vitamin C content of oranges, you'll see that the average orange has roughly 50 milligrams of vitamin C[inaudible], but the range is zero to 100. So you could conceptually eat an orange and has no vitamin C in it. So just food by itself is probably not going to be the best answer for everyone over time. But the people that eat the widest variety of color there definitely appears to be in a higher association with greater nutrient density. And then because of all those nutrients, there is then a lower likelihood that they will get a disease of some kind. And so that would be, you know, really the simple solution for many people. Now, um, I could tell you in the past I took every diet book. I looked at all the different diets that have been promoted. I looked at the sales of all these diet books and looked at the sales of gym memberships, weight loss, drugs, weight loss supplements, anything associated with weight loss. When you had everything up together, it has made zero impact on the overweight and obesity rates in the United States. And part of the reason is lack of awareness of context. You can't just tell someone, do this blindly because there may be a context. So an example would be, um, people that say, I want to follow a KeyJack diet. Well, how did they know they don't have bacteria in their diet to take and converted to glucose? How do they know they don't have certain other enzymes upregulated that quickly convert the protein and the fat into carbohydrate in your body? These are things that most people never consider cause they're reading the book that was basically marketed to promote something not really written in a way for optimal biology. So I would, uh, I think it's everyone's right to try any diet they want, right? It's their body. I think people should have the freedom to explore things and try different foods. But in terms of, um, there is no way a single diet will work for everyone, especially now as, um, as people from, you know, people more mobile and never see if people from different countries, you know, moving to other countries. So the gene pool is becoming more and more mixed. And the idea of have someone having like a pure genetic lineage lineage that's kind of be like, um, you know, like people who live on islands or they're socially isolated and they don't let anyone from outside your island Maryann type of stuff. So those people may have certain similar responses to food, but everybody else is now getting these jeans from, you know, all these other places around the world. So then there's going to be all kinds of unique reactions, uh, because of the interaction of the microbiome with the very genetics that, so there's a really good data that's coming out from different groups around the world that basically shows, well, we used to say, you know, certain foods are healthy and certain foods are bad, if you will, or maybe not as healthy. But now because of the mixing of the genes and the mixing of the microbiome and all the potential interactions, it's not so easy anymore. So as an example, green tea, most people would say, hey, green tea is healthy, but we know that some people have a mutation in your genes. That drinking team longterm actually contributed to them developing an autoimmune condition like lupus. So now you say to me, hey, should I drink tea or not? Well, generally speaking, yes, but there's that potential hit if he had this, you know, would they call you and Leo this genetic mutation that you may have, you know, longterm, maybe you're not getting the response you were expecting. And so it's a little bit more challenging now to make you have like very precise recommendations in general. And so what I would recommend most people to consider is getting tested, getting some genetic testing done. I wouldn't just do parts of genetics. I would do the entire genome. I do all 22,000 plus genes. I would divided in metal testing. And the reason is you're gonna get information that could dramatically help impact the rest of your life. So it's a, you know, it's a worthwhile investment.
Speaker 6:Yeah, great advice. I love it. It tracks very
Speaker 2:well with my own. Um, nutritional certification, which is from precision nutrition where everything you just said is, is a, was taught to us during that course. There is no one size fits all diet. I totally agree with that. Um, so the last question then on supplements, again, I love what you just said about getting tested. I've been tested, I get tested once a year and I then know what I'm deficient in and I can, I can supplement for it. And so that really is the best answer. The fact is very few people do it. It's just the way it is. It's kind of expensive and not everyone is that into their health. And so to those people that aren't going to get a genetic test or a vitamin mineral test from your experience, are there a handful of kind of known deficiencies that you just feel like if the average person's supplemented with it, would fill in some of those gaps? So what do you think are the top supplements people ought to be taking?
Speaker 3:Cool. So I think everyone should just take a good multivitamin mineral. Um, something that has a lot more than a hundred percent of the dietary reference and takes a, I think everyone should be taking niche deeds or be eating fish or taking fish oil. Um, preferably fish oil that hasn't been manufactured, but it's, you know, more from a natural food source and everyone should be taking probiotics that provide at least a hundred billion or more organisms. And uh, there's some exceptions and some probiotic units that actually, uh, uh, use like a spore format. So we're just going to be stuff growing inside your a little bit differently. Um, dead be acceptable as well. But those would be like the three things that would help if someone eats plenty of fruits and vegetables that may not be or need for antioxidant intake if someone doesn't eat fruits and vegetables. And they definitely want to take some like, um, I would say some sort of, uh, fruit or vegetable extract that provides antioxidants cause it could dramatically reduce the amount of, uh, damaged DNA over time. And I think that people should look at, uh, water intake and ways to make sure that they're improving their circulation. So they can leverage this nutrition. Otherwise just taking like unhealthy people that take pills and don't move and don't increase their circulation. They're still unhealthy people after taking the pills. So yeah, like you need like a bunch of different things coming together. Or maybe another example would be what say, you know, I'm morbidly obese and I go in and I get a plastic surgeon, you know, just get rid of all the subcutaneous body fat. You see, if you test me afterwards, I'm still unhealthy. And the reason is the physiological adaptations that needed to take place never happened. You know, I got rid of the fat so visibly I look better, but physiologically and just a lot of issues going on because the visceral fat, the more deadly fat is still inside the body. And one of the reasons why we want people moving and doing things, you know, and eating a wide variety of food is you're increasing the likelihood that you're going to do something good that can actually help you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well this, this has been phenomenal. I, like I said, I could talk to you for a lot longer. I know that I can't and you have a wealth of information, but is there anything regarding what we've discussed or maybe anything we haven't even touched on that you want to leave with my audience before I let you go?
Speaker 3:Well, I would say one that I've, uh, normally I see women taking action a little bit faster than men. I see more men when it comes to their health. They pushed things off and I would like to see more men taking action sooner. So for women that are married, you know, maybe put a little pressure on the husbands to do is take some actions. Um, I would encourage anyone just to explore, you know, go to our website, fill out a form there, just get a free console. Just find out what's going on. I think most people make the mistake of looking at healthcare as an expense and it health is actually an asset. It is not an expense. Um, if you don't do something while you're still able to and you can make a decision, you wind up where many people find themselves in that except the end of their lifespan. And now other people are making decisions for them and we see lots of really good people that get to a point, um, where you know, they're no longer able to make a decision regarding to health on their own. So these are the things that I'm, you know, matter to a plant, take improving the quality of life that we will experience and enjoy in the dink. If more people take action sooner and explore things, uh, they would see, you know, better results. One thing I do want to caution everyone against is I can't tell you how many people think because they read something online that it's accurate. Um, the way search engines and the way you, all this stuff when the internet is now kind of being manipulated because all these artificial intelligence technologies that basically are being leveraged in way to influence people's buying decisions and did not written in a way for optimal biology where it's like, okay, hey, you have this problem and you're going to find the best answer for your unique physiology. You're going to research it and you're going to see this, the way the data is presented and manipulate it, it's going to get you to make a decision that may not be best decision to make. And I can't tell you how many people contact us asking about a specific treatment. And I asked them, well, how do you know that will work for you? Like if you've never done it before and you don't have any data, you have no testing on your body to know if you even need it. What makes you so convinced? This is at a, because one third of the people diagnosed with cancer, they die and they die. Even though they spent all kinds of money and treated all kinds of things to fight cancer and they still die. And what you hear is dabble. There's no cure for cancer. What you don't hear is the other side of it. Well, competent decision making and strategic thinking allow. Many people would incurable cancers actually to live. So it works both ways. You can't wing it and get, you know, uh, professional result. Uh, you need competent guidance by people and know what they're doing that can help you beat these types of things and that's not something that in today's model with um, insurance and healthcare, people don't value competence a would they? The first question I usually ask is, do you take insurance? Then we have to educate them. Do you really think some stranger has your best interest at heart? Because insurance is about cash flow. It's not about optimal biology. And what we see is many times people when they get through this journey of going through, let's say I'm an experienced, what he went to all these insurance models that Tiana very disappointed because they realize I didn't get really the best care I could have. And so right at the very beginning, we want to make sure people wear certain things so they don't get trapped in a sinking devil wind up in and not making it through all this. Okay.
Speaker 2:This has just been a lot of fun and very meaningful. I'm sure people are listening right now that are very impressed with what you're doing. If you could give us the website one more time and any other, any other information you want to give to my listeners about where they can find out about what you're doing, social media, uh, what information do you want to give out as far as having people contact you or going to your website or whatever.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. So, um, well you want me to just email that to you? You want me to share some of that with you right now?
Speaker 2:Why don't you say it for those listening, uh, just your, like your top ones and then I'll put any links and information you send in the show notes as well that people can just click on. But for those listening, what would you, where would you tell them to go?
Speaker 3:Oh, just cause Dev tests. C, a u e n t a.com. And then once they're at the homepage, you'll see a form they can fill out if they want to get, you know, a could speak with someone. There's a lot of really good content on a website. And, um, so we have so many technologies, like we didn't even talk about, um, we're getting millions of dollars of equipment sent here, evaluate. So in my evaluations, I'm not, you know, there's no financial bias. If the stuff works great, if the stuff doesn't work, I don't care. I'm not making money off of it, you know, one way or the other. So what we evaluated then and we'd developed all kinds of new applications for lot of these technologies that no one's even thought about because they don't have all the resources that we do under one roof. And so, uh, you know, when people come here, p typically like, whoa. And so what I would encourage people to go to the website to take a look at different technologies and therapies here, just to get aware of it. Um, but just things like the magnetic fields, uh, devices and the different light therapy devices, just two categories that, uh, we use heavily, uh, while people are actually exercising or moving. And it's, uh, it's pretty impressive to the before and after, uh, transformations.
Speaker 2:Excellent. Well, thanks again so much for being on the show.
Speaker 3:Oh my pleasure. Thank you for the opportunity.
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