Dawn Phillips describes herself as "Carrot-pusher, voracious reader of health literature, refugee from the tech world, and nice person." Sheis at the cutting edge of Integrative Medicine. As a Nutrition Therapy Practitioner she works directly with a medical doctor to provide natural healing methods to compliment the AMA style healthcare he offers.
Dawn is aholistic nutritionist who works with sugar-holics, vegan dropouts, and the “dietarily confused.” She believes that most chronic health conditions can be remediated or reversed by increasing nutrient density and by reducing toxins.
Through this integrative approach patients receive less drugs and more nutritional and fitness guidance, something many of us in the nutrition and fitness industry have been looking for for years.
Listen in to pick up great ideas to improve your own health and wellness, deal with inflammation, and avoid potential health pitfalls.
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None of the information in this podcast should be construed as dispensing medical advice.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Find episode links, notes and artwork at:
https://blog.dirobi.com
This show is for informational purposes only.
None of the information in this podcast should be construed as dispensing medical advice.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Dawn Phillips describes herself as "Carrot-pusher, voracious reader of health literature, refugee from the tech world, and nice person." Sheis at the cutting edge of Integrative Medicine. As a Nutrition Therapy Practitioner she works directly with a medical doctor to provide natural healing methods to compliment the AMA style healthcare he offers.
Dawn is aholistic nutritionist who works with sugar-holics, vegan dropouts, and the “dietarily confused.” She believes that most chronic health conditions can be remediated or reversed by increasing nutrient density and by reducing toxins.
Through this integrative approach patients receive less drugs and more nutritional and fitness guidance, something many of us in the nutrition and fitness industry have been looking for for years.
Listen in to pick up great ideas to improve your own health and wellness, deal with inflammation, and avoid potential health pitfalls.
See all episode artwork, links and notes at:
https://blog.dirobi.com
This show is for informational purposes only.
None of the information in this podcast should be construed as dispensing medical advice.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Find episode links, notes and artwork at:
https://blog.dirobi.com
This show is for informational purposes only.
None of the information in this podcast should be construed as dispensing medical advice.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
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Speaker 2:Hey, welcome to the show. Before we jump in, I want to do a quick experiment. Just reached down and touched your belly. If you feel rock hard rippling abs down there, you're probably 16 years old. Living off of good genes and real life hasn't hit you yet. Get off my show you punk. This show is for grownups. Now if you have a few miles on, you and your abs are a tad squishier than you wish they were, I have two resources for you to check out today. First of all, we created a simple mini-course called fitness and nutrition for busy professionals. It's absolutely free, but it has a ton of great info and a downloadable PDF. Find it on the resources page at[inaudible] dot com while you're there, if you're ready to supercharge your nutrition, your workouts and your supplements, check out our transformation packages. Each one includes a supplement package, precision nutrition training and pro coach workouts delivered to your inbox daily. Learn more on the transformation packages page of our website and although the price on these are already stupidly cheap, save 15% with coupon code insider and now on with the show. Hello and welcome to the dire OB health show. Everybody. Today my guest is Dawn Phillips and there's an interesting backstory here that I want to tell about Dawn and how we met as a holistic practitioner as you will learn about, she's a holistic nutritionist as a matter of fact or a nutritional therapy practitioner or NTP and the way we met is she is helping a doctor in Austin, Texas to make somewhat of a transition from the acute care industry into the wellness industry. She does the nutritional coaching in his doctor's office. This is very interesting to me. For those of you who are aware of the, the research I recently did on why doctors don't like dietary supplements, which kind of created a little bit of a firestorm on Facebook. As a matter of fact, the argument rages on everyday people going back and forth on that post arguing with each other about this whole issue and we're all aware of it. This kind of dichotomy between what I call the wellness industry and the acute care industry and Dawn is at the cutting edge of this actually working with a doctor in his office. As a matter of fact, the way we bet she buys the supplements for this doctor's office and and buy some of our supplements. Uh, and that's how we met[inaudible]. We are on the phone talking about this and as she told me her story, I said, I've got to have you on my podcast. This is such a great story. What you're doing is very cutting edge. I've got current content about this. I'd love to have you on. And she agreed and here she is. Don, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Thank you Dave. Like I said, this story to me is really fascinating that you are at that cutting edge of what I'm looking for and what I'm hoping to encourage and see happen in this merging of the acute care industry, the wellness industry. And here you are. You're right there in the middle of it. Can you tell us, first of all, before we jump into that, your background and how you became a nutritional therapy practitioner?
Speaker 3:Okay. Well I have a degree in psychology from UT and I was always interested in the mind body connection. I was always reading about it, looking up information about it and I've always been fascinated with it. Um, I took a little bit of a detour and to the uh, technical world and I worked at IBM for a long time in technical writing and training, but my heart just wasn't in it. And so I realized that I really love health and wealth and mind body connections. So when my husband had some digestive issues, I started looking around for more information and I found the nutritional therapy association and I saw their list of books that they had their students read. And I read about what a nutritional therapy practitioner was and I thought, Hmm, I think this will help my husband and it sounds fascinating to me, so I'm going to do it. So I signed up, I took the course, I learned some of the amazing things and I, with that knowledge, I helped my husband solve a digestive issue that he had had for years and years and we were able to solve it within two months. So I saw how powerful it was that, uh, you can use food as medicine, you can use supplements to help people. And I just took off from there. I decided to change my career and go from the technical world into the holistic world of nutrition. And I taught for the nutritional therapy association briefly. I was an assistant instructor and now I just practice as an, as a nutritional therapist. But I also worked for a doctor who does integrative medicine here in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 2:And as I mentioned in the intro, I'm really fascinated with that. I think it's a wonderful concept. I think it's an idea whose time has come, and as I mentioned from the, the argument going on about issues like this, when you post things on social media and, and you kind of poke the bear, so to speak, with issues between the, the AMA and the wellness community, they're there. There has, in the past been this huge kind of break, right? And, and yet both are so important. For example, if I'm in a car wreck and I'm injured, I can't wait for people for, for fully trained people from the AMA to arrive in the ambulance, get me to the hospital and give me the acute care that I need as fast as possible. And I trust them 100% to put my body back together. Right? So we absolutely appreciate that when, when we're broken at the same time, we want to do everything we can. A car wreck isn't kind of extreme situation that happens periodically in people's lives where every single day we ought to be taking care of our body and acting on the wellness side of things. Right. So there has been this kind of dichotomy between the two and you've experienced that in your own life. I assume that your husband went the traditional methods in trying to assume his digestive problems and that that didn't work. Right, exactly. And so talk to us a little bit about that without getting too personal into his, his, his, uh, stuff, you know. Um, but just the general concept of what did you go through and trying to resolve his situation and what was it that finally was the key to the lock where you're able to help him get back to good health?
Speaker 3:Well, when we first met, he told me I have this embarrassing problem and it was belching and he had these horrible belches after he ate and it was painful and it actually hurt him when he belched. And it was embarrassing for him. It was something that he really couldn't control. They were spontaneous. You know, sometimes you can, you can hide things, you can hide some of your physical functions, but you couldn't hide this one. And it was, it was difficult for him. And, um, he had gone to doctors and uh, you know, they diagnosed him with GERD and uh, you've got acid reflux and you've got this and he tried medications and um, although he didn't want to, he really doesn't like medications very much. Um, but when he discovered that they weren't working, then, you know, he abandoned that. So he had tried several things over the years and he's, you know, interested in food and supplements and things like that, but he just never found the magic combination. So when I became a nutritional therapist, um, there were a couple of things in there that really helped me. And one was the functional assessment. And what that is is you press on somebody's body and you find tender points and it can tell you if there's a toxicity or deficiency and you can actually use supplements or foods or medications and use a feedback loop that is already in the body to see if that particular thing helps you. And so we tried this out on my husband and figured out that he had some problems in his stomach and his small intestine with his gallbladder, with his liver. So he was all kinds of messed up basically. Um, but what got him out of this was testing supplements and there were things that he tested positively with that would help digestion, that would help his small intestine that would help his liver. And so we just started doing those. And within a couple of months he had no more problems with the belching. So it was really super powerful and really made the difference in his life and showed to me how powerful this was in uncovering what's really needed because you go straight to the body and ask it basically by pressing on the body. And this is very unique. Nutritionists don't normally touch you. Uh, but this flavor of nutrition does the nutritional therapy practitioners have this as part of their tool belt, some of their assessment tools to help you figure out what's going on and it's not a diagnosis. I have to be very clear about that. We don't diagnose and we don't cure. Okay. But we can get information from the body to help assess you and we can suggest supplements and foods, avoiding certain foods and taking digestive enzymes, things like that to help you.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. And I did a little bit of research and preparation for this interview. I Googled, you know, nutritional therapy practitioner. I even did some, some research, you know, we are a marketing company, I have tools to analyze things going online. We're really big into eCommerce. And I found there's quite a few people who are very interested in that term, NTP nutritional therapy practitioner. And so it's something I'd actually never heard of, but obviously other people have. It's new to me. It's obviously not new to you. You're using it in a functional way every single day. And so talk to us about that. What does a nutritional therapy practitioner, how do you become one? Let's just, uh, talk about how you got that certification and what it is.
Speaker 3:Okay. As part of trying to figure out what's wrong with my husband, I started reading and I saw these initials behind somebodies name and I thought, that's interesting. I don't know what an NTP is. And so I Googled it like you did. And I found the nutritional therapy association. Well, the nutritional therapy association does certify people, but they're their own certifying authority. They're not a state certified licensed like a registered dietician is. So they were able to do that because they got their school declared as a vocational nutritional school. And so that is where the certificate derives from. And we do have to do continuing every year to maintain that, um, that sort of ticket. Okay. And we have to, every two years we have to have had a certain number of hours of education. So I really liked that aspect of it because it didn't mean I had to go back to school for a four year, uh, nutrition, um, degree. Um, but, and, and some people will think, well, yeah, but then that means you're not as educated. Well, the thing about not being state certified is you don't have to tow the party line and you don't have to say things that are influenced by industry. And so for example, the nutritional therapy association does not condemn all fats as being evil. If you look at a lot of the three letter associations out there, they will tell you, do not eat saturated fat, do not eat saturated fat. But the nutritional therapy association doesn't do that. Another thing that I really liked about the nutritional therapy association is that it believes in bio individuality. So the advice that you give to one person is not going to be the same advice that you'd give to another person. And there is no one size fits all nutrition. Some people do very well on a vegetarian diet, other people do not do well at all on a vegetarian diet. So I like that they teach away a method of going to the body and finding out what the body is actually saying because you can think that you don't have a problem with your small intestine but your body may tell you otherwise. And so they teach this thing called the functional assessment that is a really, really powerful tool to kind of skirt around a lot of the problems and get straight down to the, the issues that this particular body in front of you is having. And you talked about touching different parts of the body. Uh, is there a word for that? Uh, not the, not the a, I'm like, is it similar to acupressure? It is similar to acupressure and acupuncture. Um, the points that the nutritional therapy association actually teach us comes from multiple doctors. Um, quite a few from the 1930s, as a matter of fact who were chiropractors and what they figured out through just time and testing with their own patients was that, uh, when you're tender in a certain part of your body, it can indicate that there's an issue with an organ or an organ system. And so they started to put these points together and uh, you know, so then the nutritional therapy association came back and cobbled all of those together. And so they teach, um, a lot of different points, but other tools of assessment as well. But these, these points, um, you know, we just call them functional assessment points or sometimes we call them reflex points. And back in the day, the old country doctors, you know, they would know this, they would press on your bellies and ask you questions and if you were tender somewhere, they knew where to focus their efforts. So, uh, a couple of these doctors were, um, basically said that you could stimulate these points and it would help a particular organ or an organ system. And as nutritional therapists, we don't do that. We don't stimulate them to affect a change as those old country doctors did and the old chiropractors did. But what we do is we use it as a way to assess somebody's, is there an issue with this area? You know, is there a toxicity or a deficiency in nutritional deficiency that can help this particular area? And then we use it in conjunction with the, uh, lingual neuro testing, which is the feedback loop in your, in your body between your tasting and your central nervous system to further assess that situation.
Speaker 2:Okay. And one of the things I love about this approach, this bio individuality as you describe it as very much in line with my nutritional certification through precision nutrition, which doesn't believe in any named diet. Uh, I've never heard the term bio individuality before, but I love it. I totally agree with that. And, uh, I've had experts from various diets on my podcast. Uh, Quito is very popular right now and some people may wonder and think, maybe I'm being hypocritical by having those episodes. But the reason I do it is because those diets do really work for some people. I just don't think they're a cure all for everybody. And I totally agree with you on the bio individuality. I also, uh, recently had a, a doctor on the podcast who's living in Loma Linda, which is one of the blue zones. And we had this discussion along these lines as well, where at Loma Linda is one of the areas where people live unusually long, healthy lives and yet the diet there is totally different than the blue zone in Japan or Greece or Russia. So this is very interesting, especially for those people who have come to think that certain foods are bad. Like you already mentioned fat, right? So we have so much misinformation out there about fat and we have all these fat free foods. As a matter of fact, Dawn, I have a hard time finding a full fat yogurt and, and I every I and, and, and it, it just makes me wonder with all the things we've learned about nutrition, why is it we walk into a grocery store and we go to buy yogurt and every single one of them advertises proudly that it's fat free. When people like you and I know that that's just a really bad idea. Do you have any idea why this, just, why this persisted our society, this, this fear of fat or this thinking that fat makes you fat or fat makes you ill or fat gives you a heart attack? What's going on here?
Speaker 3:Well, I think there was a very long media campaign about fat after a particular study and a lot of associations, some of the three letter associations that I will not name a really hung their hat on the lipid hypothesis. And one of the major studies that came out was by a man named ancil keys and he was studying saturated fats, the effect of fats in several different countries. And he started out with over 20 countries. But in his final study that he published, he only went with seven countries. And so we believe that he dropped some of the countries out of his studies because it didn't show what he wanted to show. And what he wanted to show was that dietary cholesterol had a connection to, um, you know, to heart disease and to, uh, you know, coronary affects, right. Um, heart disease leading to a heart attack, a stroke, that type of thing. And so after that, so many different associations, uh, decided that that was right. And so that low fat was the way to go and that saturated fats were going to cause heart attacks and strokes. So, so many people believed this and it took a long time for other studies to show up that no, that's actually not true. Saturated fat is hugely important. And you know, let's talk about cholesterol for a minute. You know, cholesterol has been one of these things that, you know, people have vilified, Oh, don't eat, you know, anything with cholesterol that's going to, it's going to cause you to have a heart attack. Well, cholesterol is really important. It's um, it's in every cell membrane in your body and it actually goes through the membrane. If you look at a picture of the cell membrane, you'll see that cholesterol actually goes through the membrane and it kinda gives it some rigidity and yet flexibility. And so the cholesterol in your diet is, is very important. The fats that you feed yourself are very important because they can actually become part of your cell membranes. So, you know, cholesterol is very important and fat is very important. So I have a hard time saying have a low fat diet. I think it's important to look at what fats you are eating and healthy fats like coconut oil, coconut, all of avocado, very important for a healthy system. But I'm also, uh, I don't say people shouldn't eat meat. The fat for meat is saturated. It is an animal fat. But back in the day when people used to cook in lard and tallow, which is the fat from a pig and the fat from a cow, they didn't have as much heart disease. They ate real butter, they ate full fat. Um, it's only when we went on this low fat kick as a nation, that problems really started to occur. And you know, food science got, you know, uh, got involved as well. And so in order to make things taste better that are low fat, will you, you know, you increase the sugar, that'll make it taste better to people. And so, you know, sugar and other sweet things and even worse, artificial sweeteners started to come in to, uh, kind of take the place of something that was actually very satisfying in the first place, which is full fat.
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Speaker 2:okay. For those of you listening, I want to refer you to episode 100. What Dawn is saying here I believe is absolutely true. Everything from the history, the Admiral keys argument, episode 100 with dr Jeff Matheson. It's actually called non-pharmacological pain management. He's one of the world's leading pain experts. He goes all around the world teaching medical doctors how to treat pain naturally. He's helped form multiple pain management clinics and the basis of his whole argument and how he's reducing pain and in Crohn and people with chronic pain has to do with this entire argument Don is making. And so I would refer for you to that for a deep dive into this. And, uh, and but Dawn, I wanna I want to dive a little bit deeper in it. I want to go to like a kind of a different direction, um, with this. So we've talked about bio-individuality and you're trying to help an individual come up with the best possible nutritional plan. Let's start though with the common denominators. So from your experience, what do you think are the basic building blocks of a diet that everyone should basically be embracing?
Speaker 5:[inaudible]
Speaker 3:well, I believe that a nutrient dense whole foods diet that has been prepared properly is the best way to go. All the processed foods, um, have gone through heating, um, chopping down and sometimes this doesn't help things like, uh, the flour from wheat actually raises your blood sugar, then the whole wheat would, for example. So I try to advocate a very low processed food diet, whole foods and the nutritional therapy association also is, is behind this. Uh, they like the work of Weston a price who was a dentist who discovered that uh, traditional diets were actually betters for, uh, better for people's dental health. Then the modern diets of that were high in sugar and high in processed foods. So a lot you'll find a lot of nutritional therapy practitioners at the Weston a price conferences and meetings across the U S because they advocate a whole foods diet as well. So everybody I think can benefit from cutting certain things out of their diet. Certainly, uh, the sugary processed things, um, hydration's really important. A lot of people don't realize how important it is. Since part of my job is talking about blood lab results with people, uh, at the doctor's office, uh, hydration is really important and a lot of people don't realize that your body doesn't function very well when it doesn't have enough water. A lot of processes of breaking down foods require several water molecules to be able to do it. And so, uh, with people drinking a lot of sodas, you know, diet drinks, things like that instead of just plain water, um, there's a problem with dehydration that I see really frequently.
Speaker 4:[inaudible]
Speaker 2:yeah, for sure.[inaudible] that's really interesting. One that water is something we need even more than food. And yet, uh, we know that I believe, I believe statistically a majority of people in the United States are chronically dehydrated. Is that true?
Speaker 3:Uh, in my, uh, experience of looking at people's lab results? Yes, it's true, but that's anecdotal. I would have to go do a study or search for that, but, uh, I think, I think people are chronically dehydrated. I see it a lot.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. Fantastic. So now let's jump into some of the specifics of what you do. You mentioned touching people. So I've got this image in my mind that if I come to see you, I'm going to walk into the room, I'm going to strip down to the boxers and you're going to come and start poking and prodding. Uh, but that a,
Speaker 3:I have no idea to talk to us about if we come into the room and you're going to do this functional assessment, what is it going to look like and feel like and be like, so the functional assessment, you don't have to strip down, but it is helpful if you have loose clothing, especially around the waistband. So like, you know, sweatpants or something like that. Uh, we need to be able to fill the tissue below the skin. So genes aren't very helpful for that. And we have you laid down and you have a scoring system between one and 10, 10 being the most tender and one being the least tender so you can feel the person touching you, but it doesn't, it doesn't cause a name, particular sensation, right. Other than the touching. And so we go through these different points. A lot of them are around your uh, your rib cage and um, we press on these points and then we ask you, okay, scale of one to 10, how tender is this? Sometimes we touch several points at one time. Like for the small intestines, it's actually at the bottom of the rib cage, kind of towards the outside of the body. We touched them at one time and you give us a tenderness assessment and we do other things besides the poking. We call it palpating, but it is just touching the body. Um, and you don't have to touch it very hard to get us sensation. If somebody is really having a hard time with a particular organ or um, you know, structure underneath, they will report the tenderness, uh, pretty quickly without having to push it very hard. And we're taught to be gentle with people as well. But no, you, you don't have to strip down and um, yes we do touch you, but it's, it's nothing horribly painful and it gives us such good information, you know, and uh, you'd be surprised about the information that comes out of that just from some gentle touching on the body. Okay. And, and reading through your stuff and look at your website, you also mentioned a lingual neuro test, L. N. T. what is that? Well, that is what basically, uh, supercharges the whole thing here. So when you touch on the body and you find a tender point, one of the things that you can do is make use of this very old feedback mechanism. I don't know if you've ever seen a deer, a baby deer, try a plant and it will nibble it a little bit. And it waits for a moment and then it either continues to eat that thing or it moves on to something else. Well, it's making use of this feedback between taste and the central nervous system. Okay. Humans have that too. We just aren't very as aware of it anymore. But we can make use of that mechanism when we do these functional assessments of people. So say somebody has a problem with their, their liver and their gallbladder and we press on the liver point and it's tender, we can put a supplement on the person's tongue and see if it reduces the tenderness of that point. We retest the point. So for example, we could use the a Mimi's glutathione spray is a really good one for the liver and put that on the person's tongue and retest the point. And if the tenderness rating goes down, then the body has recognized and that innate wisdom that all of us have, that this thing is good for my liver. And so the tenderness rating changes and it becomes less tender. And so through that we can build up a repertoire of supplements or foods that help this person through whatever health issue that they're facing.
Speaker 2:Okay. So seeing as supplements are an important part of what you're doing. And of course we're a supplement company and I'm very interested in the whole supplement industry. Um, I don't want to get away of course, from the point of the bio-individuality, I think that's critically important. But from your experience and your training, what are those basic supplements that you would recommend everyone just kind of take whether they've had a test or not? Are there any or are you kind of a, well, you really ought to be tested before you take any, what's, what's your take on the basic supplement regimen? Most people ought to be doing?
Speaker 3:Well? Uh, that's a tricky question, Dave. Um, I do like people to get tested to know what is good for them, but I have seen the power of digestive enzymes help people. So one of the things that we do in the nutritional therapy association is if a person has a problem, we start at the top and work our way down. So for example, if somebody, somebody has a problem in their stomach, okay, we will test some things to see if they need a nutritional supplements. So they might need some digestive enzymes, for example, and we help them overcome that problem. But then if they also have a problem in the lower intestine, then we work on that may be with probiotics. Okay. So we start from the top and we work our way down through digestion because digestion affects everything. If you are not breaking down your foods very well, then you're not absorbing very well, which means then your body can't use them very well. So I think digestive enzymes are awesome, especially if you have things like gas, bloating, and so many people do. I think digestive enzymes are awesome. I think probiotics are awesome. Uh, just to help your gut microbe, your flora and your gut to get a good, a good balance, kind of put the odds in your favor and have more of the good bacteria, then the bacteria that can cause problems.
Speaker 2:What's really interesting to me about that answer, and I really liked that answer is that I kind of thought you jumped to a multivitamin or something like that. Um, but, and maybe that's where my mind goes because I take a multi everyday and to me that feels like kind of the core thing I take. I take our Mimi's miracle multi, which is based on addressing, uh, top deficiencies. And so it's specifically designed to target people who are, um, you know, what people are deficient in. But I also take our, uh, Mimi's, uh, our, our eat anything RX, which is a prebiotic, probiotic enzyme. And, and to me, um, I consider a multivitamin kind of a core, uh, supplement. But that's really interesting. I like your perspective that really our digestive system is the most important thing. That really makes sense. Like I said in my head, I would've thought if I was on a desert Island and could only have one supplement, it would probably be a multi. Um, but your, your argument is more, well, your gut has to be able to function. Your gut microbiome is critical and nothing else will function properly. Nothing else you eat. Uh, you won't get the nutrients out of anything else if your gut microbiome isn't healthy. So that, that's an interesting take. Exactly.
Speaker 3:And I like working for a doctor and integrative doctor because we can do tests that will tell us if you're absorbing your nutrients properly or not. And that's always a nice, you know, confirmation and I have seen it confirm what I have figured out elsewhere, for example. But if you want numbers, uh, you can get tested to see if you have, um, you know, problems absorbing. They have a lot of intestinal permeability tests now that will let you know if you have the leaky gut or if you are not absorbing your nutrients as you, as you could. And the people that have problems absorbing their nutrients. We look at, you know, digestive enzymes, the pancreatic enzymes, and uh, for people who have the leaky gut, we figure out how to seal up their leaky gut with foods, bone broths and other supplements as well.
Speaker 2:How long does this process take? So you gave us the example of, of your husband, um, and let's just kind of use that story, um, to, to kind of extrapolate this. So a person comes to you with a problem of whatever type they, they've got something they've been dealing with for a few years. It's a chronic situation and you start, you do the testing, you go through the process you've described, and now you determine the right food and supplements at the audit go and, and do and, and for what period of time. And, and then when do they come back to you? Like how does this play out?
Speaker 3:Well, it does vary in length about, you know, how long it takes to work with somebody to get to the end of their problems. Some of these problems they've been working on for decades. So it may take a year to unwind at all. But I like that the nutritional therapy association teaches you a method for helping to focus on, you know, the most urgent thing to focus on at that time. And so the reason why you retest somebody is because the body unwinds the issues in the reverse reverse order that they began. And so, um, and certain conditions can mask other conditions. So you work on one thing, you get that settled down, their symptoms go down. We have a questionnaire that we often give people to find out. You know, it's a very, it's a very long, it's a lengthy questionnaire, but it really gets into the nitty gritty of um, rating your symptoms. And so we can see the symptoms are going down, the person's feeling better about this particular issue. Well, something else might actually crop up because the previous issue which you have now solved, has allow the body to show this other symptom. And so it's kind of like peeling back an onion. And some people have a lot of layers to the onion and some people just have a few. With my husband, it, um, you know, the belching was the most important thing and we started from top to bottom. We started with his digestion in his stomach and enzymes and, um, Apple cider vinegar was very helpful as well. We went on to working on the, the small intestine, um, and then wound up doing a liver cleanse. And after the liver cleanse that he did, uh, he went a really, really long time without any negative symptoms. But at then, if he starts to eat improperly for him, for him, coffee's not a great thing. Um, processed foods, especially tortillas, um, tortilla, big problem. And here in Texas we eat Mexican food. You know, that's a staple here in Texas is, is Mexican food. And so, you know, in a Mexican food restaurant, he cannot eat those chips. If he does on a regular basis, he starts to have problems. Again, it starts with mild belching. And so, uh, and just feeling bad is he says his stomach feels like a rock. You know, things aren't, things aren't moving. It doesn't feel good. So, uh, with him, the initial symptoms went down really, really fast. But he really felt his best health after the, the liver cleanse.
Speaker 2:Wow. Okay. And so of course it's case by case. So if you get started with the client, you make your initial recommendations, they then might come back in what, four weeks, six weeks, two months or is it a weekly thing? I mean is there any kind of rhyme or reason to it or is it 100% just based on you know, each client and what, what, what you think or how long you think they have to do this new protocol for before they see you again?
Speaker 3:So it's very individual and we allow the client to determined when they come back, uh, we, we may want to see them in four weeks because we know they have an issue that we really need to um, stay on top of. And of course after they start taking a supplement we check with them how are you doing? Is it reducing your symptoms, that type of thing. Um, but if, if there are symptoms get reduced really quickly in a matter of a week. Okay then lets work on the next thing you know, some other symptoms showed up. Um, or you know, twice a month, once a month for people that have chronic issues. We, we may have to see them weekly for a little while and then nothing at all for a month. So it really does vary.
Speaker 2:Well this is excellent stuff. I love this concept. I love that you're at the cutting edge of combining like what I said, the acute care industry with the wellness and holistic industry and, and uh, so for people of course who are in driving distance of Austin, Texas, they can come and see you, uh, for people who are not, they would just Google a nutritional R, you know, would just look up for an NTP practitioner. Is that what they would do to find someone, uh, in a different city.
Speaker 3:You can go to nutritional therapy.com that's the nutritional therapy associations web address and they have a find a practitioner and so you can put in your address and um, find somebody that's near you or you can always call their one 800 number as well.
Speaker 2:Okay. And before we wrap up and give out your information are for people who do want to contact you directly. Do you have any other thoughts that you want to leave with the, before we let
Speaker 3:you go or anything that you felt was left unfinished or any last thoughts you want to leave?
Speaker 5:Yeah,
Speaker 3:sure. Um, I agree with you Dave, that if I'm in a car wreck, I want to see an acute care type of person who can, um, deal with that type of injury. But a lot of people are walking around with a imperfect digestion. They have problems with gas, bloating, belching. They don't feel good. They've never had a doctor give a diagnosis as to why they don't feel good. And this is where the nutritional therapy associations methods really shine. Because we can give you a, a questionnaire. We can go through the initial assessment, um, which is a list of questions and then do the functional assessment and really get from your body what it needs to get through this issue and to help you. And so, you know, I think that holistic practitioners in the U S are going to be having a stellar future because doctor's offices don't typically talk about nutrition at all. Very few doctors have a staff nutritionist. And I really hope that more we'll start doing that. But I am seeing doctors starting who have the MD, they have the medical degree that are starting to go holistic, have nutritionists on staff and even get the nutritional therapy association certification so they too can know how to do these types of things. And you know, the chiropractors out there, the nutritionist, the acupuncturist, they've been on this for a long time. They know that they're, the people that they work with have not been diagnosed properly and they come to these people for the first clue. So I am all about that. And I think that being a nutritional therapy practitioner is, is very important. I think you're gonna see more and more of them as time goes on. Well, I hope so. It's a wonderful concept. I love it. I love what you're doing and I appreciate you being on the show. How can people learn more about you?
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 3:My website is dawning wellness.com and people can go there. I also have a Facebook page dawning wellness and um, it has a little bit of information about the nutritional therapy association and what it means to be a nutritional therapy practitioner. I also, uh, make the questionnaire that I was talking about earlier. I make it available to the public if they just want to get the first clue about what their symptoms are saying. It basically assesses your symptoms and I make that available online and I'll have some specials through the end of the year. Uh, you know, kind of holidays specials to lighten the price there. People can kind of dabble their foot in it and see what it says and, and uh, talk about it later. Okay,
Speaker 2:well that is outstanding. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Speaker 3:Well thank you Dave. I really appreciate what you're doing in the world too.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much. This has been great and really interesting. A lot of new content here. I hope you guys listening really enjoyed this again. Thanks Dawn. And for those of you listening, this is Dave Sherwin wishing you health and success. Okay, well thanks again for listening and don't forget about that coupon code insider to get anything you like@direly.com at 15% off and check out the health and fitness for busy professionals, free mini course@nairobi.com there's plenty of other really good resources on the resource page there. By the way, check them all out. D I R O B[inaudible] dot com. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time.
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