078 Challenging the Collective with Katina Mountanos

Katina Mountanos is the founder of the lifestyle and wellness site, On Adulting. Katina is a writer, creator, entrepreneur, certified health coach, and yoga teacher. She been featured in outlets such as teen vogue, mindbodygreen, huffington post, elite daily, thrive global + others. In this episode Katina discusses Passion Therapy, Yoga, Meditation, and more.

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Intro: 0:02

Welcome to the Darabi health show covering the world of fitness nutrition and supplementation with world class guests the latest clinical research and plenty of tips you can use right away to boost your health and wellness. Here's your host Dave Sherwen.

Dave Sherwin: 0:19

Hello everybody welcome to episode 78 of the Darabi health show. Today's guest Catina Mouton also is the founder of the lifestyle and will the site on adults. Catina is a writer creator entrepreneur certified health coach and yoga teacher. She's been featured in outlets such as Teen Vogue mind body green Huffington Post Elite Daily thrive global and many others. But she's willing to take the time out of her day to also be on the Darabi health show. And we really appreciate that Catina welcome to the show.

Katina: 0:50

Thanks so much for having me. I'm super excited to be here.

Dave Sherwin: 0:54

Well I am so glad that you're excited to be here. And I've read through your bio and your credentials and what you're doing and it's exciting stuff and you definitely come across as a person on a mission. Tell us your story and how this evolved into what you're doing now.

Katina: 1:11

Yeah totally it's a great question because when I graduated from school about four years ago there was no way that I would have thought that this would be my path which is really cool and interesting to think about but just to take a step back. I graduated from NYU Stern School of Business where I studied finance management and public policy in 2014 and was on my path to working in finance. I had a job at Goldman Sachs doing data analytics and environmental sustainability. But the moment that I got there I knew that that was not necessarily the place for me. And it was really interesting because I had actually taken about a semester off. I graduated a semester early and took some time to backpack through Australia and New Zealand. And I think it was really at that point when I expanded my capacity to see what success looked like. I had always been taught to get this really great job and make a ton of money and then you could do the things that you want but at a really young age at 21 I saw that there were so many different versions of what that path could look like. So almost immediately from when I started my first job I was very confused about this world of growing up and it started writing to friends and family about. Why I was so unhappy now. And what made me happy before and how I could kind of channel and continue to live this mindful and happy life. Well into adulthood and inspire others to do the same. So on that path I'm sure we could get into it more. But I kind of continued working in that job for about a year and it wasn't until almost two years later that I officially launched on adult thing which at the time was just a very small blogging platform that mostly my parents and my family and friends read. And from there it's evolved into what it is today which is now a platform for millennials to navigate adulthood and mindful and happy way whether that's through content resources in person events coaching. And things of that nature. And who is your.

Dave Sherwin: 3:44

Message mostly targeted. Give us the demographic of who is mostly following your blog and listening to your stuff. Yeah totally so.

Katina: 3:55

It's largely women. I would say about 90 percent women 10 percent men and mostly women in their early to mid 20s so women who are still trying to figure out what their passion is what this whole adulthood thing is and how to really get grips on it and do it in a really great way. So that looks different for everyone but I think most people when they graduate from school and don't have that roadmap to success as I talked about before it gets really confusing and lonely. So most people that kind of enter the States are on that very early stage of figuring out what it looks like to be a good person and live a happy and fulfilling life.

Dave Sherwin: 4:45

And one of the things you're passionate about is helping people find their goals and figuring out. You call it passion therapy that sounds really interesting. Talk to us about that.

Katina: 4:57

Yeah totally. So I think passion is a really word a lot of us feel like especially when we graduate from school we kind of have to find this thing that will make work not feel like work work. We've been kind of fed these ideas since we were little that as long as we find the thing that we really love then everything will fall into place. And that's scary. It's a really scary pressure filled thing to find that quote unquote passion. So I think there's two different ways to go about it and the big message here is you've always known what your passion is. It's something that you've been doing for a really long time since you're a little kid. But a lot of the conditioning that we've been taught throughout our lives takes us further and further away from that. And I think the big distinction here is their passion doesn't need to be your career. So a lot of people feel like they have to do this thing that makes them light up every single moment of every day. And that's awesome if that's the road that you want to go down. But there are a lot of different ways to live a passionate life. And I think determining it for yourself is really important. So kind of taking that step back as well not just find your quote unquote passion but also to figure out how what a passionate life looks like for you.

Dave Sherwin: 6:30

Yeah it's interesting. I think of those people that kind of go off to India to find themselves in that type of thing and there's been several kind of high profile people that have done that including Steve Jobs and the Beatles. You know that they went to Indy. They wanted to find the guru on the top of the mountain. That would give them the answer in almost all cases all cases that doesn't really work fine. The finding themselves themselves is right wherever they are type of a thing. Talk about that do you think. What do you what are your thoughts on this issue of big excursions Don't get me wrong I love to travel your story of going to Australia New Zealand is phenomenal my wife and I love to travel and there is mind expanding soul expanding value to travel but talk about this issue of the big journey to find yourself what are your thoughts on that.

Katina: 7:23

Yeah that's such an interesting question and it's something that I kind of go back and forth on a lot. So for me I went on this four month solo trip by myself not at all thinking that I was going to like find my passion. I honestly went with very low expectations of like hanging out on the beach before this intense job started and found a completely different purpose for that trip where I feel like I did really challenge a lot of the ideas that I had grown up with. Not that all of them were bad but I think that if you are able to get out of your comfort zone in a variety of different ways travel being one of them. That's one of the key steps to figuring out what this life purpose is. In my opinion I think travel going on this big adventure to a different country could be amazing but also I think what really happens there and can happen from anywhere else is doing the work. And what I mean by the work is really sitting down and confronting a lot of these feelings and thoughts and conditionings that I brought up before that we've all been told for our entire lives and figuring out parsing out what is really valuable to you at this point and what isn't. And I think that could happen in your apartment at the park or on a big solo trip by yourself. I think that sometimes when you're out of your comfort zone physically then that really prompts that mindset shift. But I do think it's really important to share that this type of work can happen anywhere.

Dave Sherwin: 9:14

And you talking about finding what's important to you as part of this. You know it's funny my my kids as it grew up you know they come to me and even very recently one of my children came to me and said you know help you figure out what what am I to do for a living she's in college right now. And she's had a tough time even picking a major and she comes to me saying Dad help me. I don't know what to do for major. I don't know what I would want to do for a living. And I have to smile. And I said to her you know I'm sorry but. One of the challenges I have is that what I'm doing for living right now did not exist when I was school. And so. I. All I can tell you is getting your education getting a degree and what ever you know if you don't have something calling to you right now just get it whatever because I just don't know where your life is going to zig zag.

Katina: 10:13

Totally. Yes I think so. Yes go ahead. No I was just going to say I think that my life so far is the prime example that I studied a very specific thing in school I majored in finance and thought that that was partially what I was going to do even though I loved writing and I think that it's really interesting and helpful to tune into what you really love to do. Obviously college is a huge investment and that is something that I know very well. But at the same time I think the importance of spending time in school is really to begin to challenge those mindsets that you've been brought up with and in whatever way you could do that is really important. So I actually found the classes that were most valuable to me were ones where I was forced to think critically and step outside of my box that I thought was you know the path that I was going down in my finance classes for example that never happened and just kind of went and did my thing and left. And I think it's really important to proactively use the time in school not just ads like a thing that you have to do in a major that's going to make you the most money or something of that nature but really to use it as a time to expand your way of thinking. And then from there as you said you can really start to. Pivot and attract all the things that you really enjoy doing so you can avoid that period of time that I had where I kind of paid it every day in a job that I knew that I wasn't going to stay on for a long time.

Dave Sherwin: 12:03

OK so this is perfect so you can you can now give an answer that's way better than what I gave to my mentor be a surrogate parent right now because I don't know what to tell her right. So you deal with this all the time. You've got millennial girls and women coming to you. They look they look up to you as an example. You're somebody who's who's who's navigated this this tricky world and come out on the right side for you. You found your passion. You're doing it you're living it. You got out of a job that would have just driven you nuts and so now these girls come to you like OK I'm a freshman. I don't know what I want to do. I don't really have a career in mind. How do I figure this out.

Katina: 12:50

Totally. I think there's three steps that I like to refer to. And of course everyone's path will be a little bit different but I think it's really important to start by just genuinely looking back at what you like to do as a kid. For me as I mentioned I loved writing and storytelling and connecting with people. Those things always made me really excited and kind of I did them without thinking about it like I had a journal all throughout every year of school. That was something my parents never had to tell me to do it just came naturally and I've loved analyzing and thinking in that way. That being said as I got older and older I saw that science and math were valued as these really important skills to have and that's what people saw as success so I pivoted away from my natural instincts and I started doing the things that other people told me would make me successful. And even though I was still good at them and I still kind of enjoyed them I knew that I didn't bring me happiness. So what I did when I was in this situation and what I've seen other people that I connect with and coach do really well is just start by removing all of that talk about what other people are saying successful and tune into what you really like to do as a kid and begin to connect those dots and just observe and reflect on that. No need to make any big changes based on those observations. But I think the second step from there is to look at what you can't stop doing right now. So right now no matter if you're extremely happy in your job or you're hating every moment what are the things that you do in your free time and kind of make sure they happen no matter what. So also during that time period when I was in my first job and really confused and kind of hitting every momenta I always made time to write. I carried a little Skender and all around with me all the time I was on the subway and I was trying to figure out what was going on in my life. But at that time there was no means that I thought that that could be a career at all. I was just like sure I like writing in a journal. That's awesome. So I think the last point here is to look at the things that you're doing and then keep doing them without adding pressure to them. So I think a lot of times we all of a sudden see like oh in my free time I love making cupcakes and then we think that that's going to be a huge business that we're going to start. And you kind of don't give ourselves the time to parse it out and really understand what we enjoy about it and how that can play into our passion and our lives writ large. So I think the three steps are look back at your childhood and start to connect the dots now then look at what you're currently doing right now and can't stop doing. And then finally once you have those two kind of data points start to just allow yourself to flow into the things that make sense in your gut and don't put pressure on it at first just allow it to happen. And for me the way that that looked was I noticed that I really like writing and storytelling and connecting with people. There was no way that I thought that could be a job but I figured why not take a step to make it a little more concrete than what it is right now I don't need to be writing in my journal. So I started a blog and I did not imagine that that job could be that blog could be a job that it could turn into what it is today. But I kind of continued doing it without pressure and it was something that I loved doing so much that I made time for it. No matter what. And then as that happens and as you kind of fall and things fall into place you'll see that you begin to share that passion with others and it keeps attracting more and more things into your life that might turn it into your full time life thing.

Dave Sherwin: 17:10

Does that make sense. Absolutely. It's awesome and it's inspiring and I'm sure a lot of people listening are like geez that's you know you make it sound very simple and doable and I like it. I can see how those three steps resonate with a lot of people I mean it just it makes sense.

Katina: 17:31

Awesome. And I think the important thing that I found as I said a couple of times is we feel like we have to do it especially when we're in college or graduate from school. Everything feels like it has to happen immediately. And I was totally that birth. And I was like three weeks into my job and I'm like why am I doing these you know small tasks and like not enjoying it at all. When am I going to find my Bajram. When am I going to do something that's really amazing and making an impact on the world. And I think my biggest piece of advice there is like do all these things intentionally and don't rush them. Like everything will happen in due time. And it's amazing to have that energy and excitement but don't use that and kind of sacrifice the greatness that could come by trying to get it all done really quickly.

Dave Sherwin: 18:27

Yes so interesting that actually the last interview I did that was a big message that she had as well as people tend to just be rushing things they want things to happen now they want or they want the weight to come off. Now they want everything to happen as quickly as possible. And that attitude actually just comes back to bite us right. So good advice as a matter of fact it leads us into one of your other one or the other talking points that we haven't so I'm going to change the order around just a little bit because I want you to talk more along these lines. You do yoga and meditation. These are things you're passionate about and so along the lines of letting things happen of being more patient why don't you talk to us now about your passion for yoga and meditation and how that could help people.

Katina: 19:22

Yeah it's really interesting. I. Actually have always loved health and wellness since I was a little kid. I played sports and danced and things of that nature. But I feel like my first introduction to meditation which I didn't realize at the time was through running. I had always been a athlete as a kid and turned to going on jogs and runs by myself when I was in the very early days of high school. And I remember back at that time I always who's running as my stress release and my time to be alone and think through problems. And I didn't realize kind of how advanced that line of thinking was for a 14 year old. But nowadays I still use that same mindset just in different forms through yoga and meditation and even going on walks and journaling and setting intentions. But I think the main message that I'd love to kind of leave people with is that. Yoga meditation now is creating this you know in this very popular way that our world today. And I think that when you look at the history of these types of work it's really all about getting in touch with that interview and letting the Eido and kind of those controlling mindsets fall away and really do what your gut and intuition are guiding you to do. And I think that a lot of times in our world as we've talked about quite a bit in this podcast or already we have a lot of noise and conditioning around what we're supposed to do and what our parents or society or our friends tell us is right. And I think that whether you can get in touch with that inner guidance through meditation or yoga or running or spending time alone It's really important to start to cultivate that no matter what stage you're at in life.

Dave Sherwin: 21:39

Yeah it's interesting. I am a novice meditator. I do a little bit of yoga and I'm try to be more mindful in my life and I've had a lot of epiphanies as I've this in a lot of reading and I'm really liking the writings of Tich not hon as much fun beautiful poetic writer. And then I've been listening to Zen cast and secular Buddhism and there's all kinds of resources that I have that reflect and I think one of the big things I've picked up is that I used to have some US with the word meditation. I picture a Zen master on the pillow in front of some candles and incense spending four hours you know going oh or something of that nature. And yeah I mean that's just kind of the image right and I've come to realize especially to Doris said his stuff is phenomenal the second losing that meditation is not that or doesn't have to be that as a matter of fact being mindful at the traffic light and sort of sitting there angry that it's not green when you. You know when you want it to be is a form of meditation or at least it's mindfulness. And that doesn't have to be some big fancy thing it's just a way of living. Speak speak to that. It sounds like you're going down that same track. But for those people that are listening to you going well yoga meditation you know it sounds like a big commitment and lots of time and not really for me but it's really putting it like that right.

Katina: 23:15

Yeah totally. No I think that kind of image is exactly what I would want to combat. And I think a lot of people in this space are doing that really well as yoga and meditation kind of evolved to shape our modern lives. But I think that's exactly right. A lot of ways. When I first started meditating and switching from running to yoga I realized that the most important times that this is mindsets come into place start in the small moments in life. As you said whether it's out of traffic later I remember when I was on the subway I would constantly activate that mindful mindset. And I think that it's really important the kind of message that I was trying to get across before is that it's really important to incorporate this in whatever way that you see fit is most easy to do in your life right now. Whether that's you know sitting down on a big meditation pillow and chanting up or meditating with a group of friends I think that a lot of times when you're first kind of starting to enter this space it's really helpful to connect with others who are at a similar stage. And I think in major cities and even through social media there are so many ways to feel like you're part of a community for this but I think that the main thing to really remember that I love to kind of continue to remind myself is to release judgment. And I think especially when first starting to practice mindfulness meditation whether that's through moving meditation like yoga or running or sitting still is really just to allow yourself to slow down and release any judge mental thoughts that might be coming up whether that's that you're thinking too much or more about all of these stressful feelings started to wash over you. That's a really easy and simple mantra to remember as you begin to practice this.

Dave Sherwin: 25:35

You mentioned you mentioned community you know mindfulness and meditation and especially yoga it makes total sense of community right. Like for me I must really go to a yoga class then lecture on a YouTube video and do it at home although I do that is as well going to class you have an instructor is just superior as is better to have that environment for mindfulness. You talked about community that might be neutral lot of people talk to talk to us about how do you find a community to to meditate. How does that work how does it look.

Katina: 26:10

Yeah totally. So it's actually I think been around for a really long time but a lot of new spaces are popping up especially in big cities like New York and San Francisco where I'm from and where and based where there's expert meditation teacher is leading 45 minute or hour long sessions. No matter what your experience level. So a couple of ones in San Francisco that I love going to anchor meditation or within meditation and oftentimes that it's just like they do yoga class about 10 or 20 people sitting in a room and being led through meditation practice. And I think that what I've found really helpful in going to spaces like those are that you find people who are on a similar journey to you. And I think as I started to kind of go down this soul spiritual yoga path I found that my own values and kind of the way that I lived my life is different than it was before. Whether that's you know for better or for worse as some view it. But you oftentimes need a new community that's going to kind of lift you up and continue to support you through these different times in your life. So I've found that finding a community no matter what type of health and wellness type of movement you're practicing. It's really important to do and meditation is just one example.

Dave Sherwin: 27:51

OK. Excellent. And moving further down the path now of health and wellness as you mentioned you've been passionate about that for a long time. You're now a certified coach and so this is now something that you're doing very intentionally and you're helping people to create a healthy lifestyle for themselves. And so talk about how how are you helping people to improve their health and wellness.

Katina: 28:19

Yes sure. So personally. I got into this space. It probably seems kind of naturally as I evolved down this path of both questioning my own mindful and mindfulness and happiness and then kind of wanted to share that with others so as I challenged my own version of what that looks like. I started to kind of want to learn more and share that knowledge as much as I can. So the way is that personally I work and then kind of I'll share some of the messages that come up consistently are through either big group sessions or one on one coaching and actually have a couple of cool things launching in January. But what I've found to be really important in the people that I work with in all different capacities is tuning into what your body and mind are telling you. And I think that's extremely difficult when you've kind of been told to follow this new diet or you know practice this new form of meditation it will help you do X Y Z. But the main thing that I really like to share and help people find is listening to their intuitive sense and using that to guide all of their decisions whether it's deciding to have a piece of chocolate cake your cousin's wedding or you know deciding actually your body is telling you that you don't need or want that. And I think it actually is much easier to that mindset once you find it then it is to follow a really strict plan.

Dave Sherwin: 30:11

Yeah. Amen to that. I I have really such plans myself. I tend to be one of these all or nothing type A personalities. I recognize myself I think a lot of other people are like me that we find something we get excited about it we think it's like religious you got to follow this it's like you know do or die heaven or hell I don't know what or whatever you want to put it but like chocolate cake then we can become the devil and so. So I think that's quite common with a lot of people and that brings into it guilt and shame when we fail. So that makes a lot of sense. And then I think we've been oversold on programs too I think in our society. We've all heard about the plan that promises six pack abs in six weeks or you know whatever you get the idea. So. So so you're not so much trying to create a a a very structured detailed. OK here's what to eat for breakfast. Here's what to eat for lunch. Here's the exercise to do here's how many minutes blah blah blah you're. You sound much more intuitive like you trying to create a plan. That would be it sounds to me but functional and really based on the person's own intuition and not too rigid.

Katina: 31:39

Totally. Yeah and I think that it is really hard when we've kind of thought that way our entire lives right when we're like I'll eat a grapefruit a day and that will make me one to ten pounds. I've definitely been there and tried all of them. And I found that it just becomes really overwhelming and I'm similar to you where I'm all or nothing so I'll be into it for a month and then the next month I'll completely rebound and do almost the exact opposite and unwind all of the work that I did. But I think that it's really important to me to help others kind of start to activate that muscle that allows us to make. Choices that feel good both in our bodies and minds and will help us over the long term. I went a really long time where I thought that a piece of chocolate cake was going to kill me and I would eat it and then feel really bad and guilty about it all for a week after which was completely unnecessary. But once I personally started to activate this intuitive way of eating and living I just felt so much lighter and so many different ways and I've seen as other people started to really embrace this it is extremely helpful in terms of all aspects of living not just there the way that they eat or move.

Dave Sherwin: 33:10

OK you know I'm going to switch gears and I'm going to hit you with something that I did not prepare you for at all but I am confident we're going to have some good thoughts on this. One of the things that parents like myself are going through is we were the first generation of parents to raise children who had who were born into technology. And we screwed it up basically. This is what we're learning is that the children given screens at a young age and watching their mothers and fathers using screens perpetually that we're all learning and we're all realizing what a connected socially social app type of world looks like. And youth suicide rates are up. And while we think that social media would be a positive thing to connect people in actual fact there's a lot of data now that young men and young women are worse off in a lot of ways because of social media as a matter of fact the the policemen over cyber crimes in Utah recently said the most fascinating thing and that's what I'm going to tell you now and then I'd like you to just comment on it because I think this is a mental health issue. A parent asked him at what age is appropriate to give a child a smartphone. And he said for boys given the smartphone when they're at the age that you think is fine for them to start looking at pornography over girls give them the smartphone at the age for which you think they're ready to have their self-esteem shattered. Now I found that to be very profound it may not be exactly true and of course different children react differently when they're given devices. But I think there's definite truth in it. We do know that there's challenges self-esteem issues. People comparing them so to see other others on Instagram living his perfect lives now and inside they don't feel that way and yet they too are posting their best pictures and selfies of them at their best not necessarily sharing what might be going on in the background. So you deal with that you're you're you're living at the cutting edge of especially young women who are dealing with this new world not new to me anyway. New to you know may not be new to you and the younger generation because you know you're more raised with it. But these are sort of the challenges people are dealing with with boys. It often becomes gaming where instead of being active and and doing sports like they might have done in previous generations they may become a gamer and terribly unhealthy and for girls again it's kind of you know it could be the same or it could be but different issues that are distracting them from their purpose. So the reason I bring this up I think it ties into a lot of what you're doing to me there's some negative forces going on out there that are keeping young people from achieving their goals being you know well-adjusted and happy and social media could be a big negative driver. So that is a whole lot sorry that's a super long question. And yet I just think that you're close to this and as qualified as anyone to speak to it. What are your thoughts on this.

Katina: 36:54

Totally. I mean I couldn't agree more and I've even found with myself who is a 26 year old are of. I have to take breaks and detoxes and quotes from social media and use it for my job. So it's I can only imagine what teens and even younger kids are going through as this becomes more and more prevalent. So I think that. Two things on it. First I think it's really important to have scheduled off time from both technology and also just social media in general. Some things that I've been doing personally to kind of combat that and help me not be so involved and connected in and some might even say to all of us addicted is to turn my phone on airplane mode both in the evening and the morning so I found myself for a long time waking up from life phone alarm and checking social media almost immediately. And it would end up starting my day off on such a sour note even if I spent 20 minutes meditating and going for a jog outside. I still was starting my day bombarded by other people's versions of their best selves. So I made a vow to myself over the past three months to not look at my phone social media e-mails things of that nature for the first hour of my day in the last hour of blind die and it is definitely hard because it feels like you want to look at it at all times. But I think that having those hard and fast rules is really important for me and for anyone in a world and not just those small things but I think also taking one day a week where you just don't answer anything. So whether that's answering text messages e-mails social media just really taking time to relax and decompress and not have a screen in your face. Not everyone obviously can. It feels like they can't take a full day to do that. I think we all can but it's really important just to stick with those small steps so I think being proactive about not being on your phone is really important and that I think the flipside of it is also making space for in person community. We talked about this a little bit but it's really easy to kind of get into our own worlds and not see other people besides work and family or maybe even if you're living by yourself anyway. Besides when you have to go outside and you might connect with them through social media. But I think it's really important to proactively connect with others in person and really make that important part of your week or a day or month whatever it is. But finding spaces whether that's at a meditation studio or a yoga studio or joining a league or having a book club. But really getting back to those roots and making space for times to connect together. Loneliness is one of the biggest killers in our world today which is pretty crazy. And I think some of the things you hinted at and your question. But that's something that I've been really trying to foster and also to encourage people to do on their own. So couldn't agree more.

Dave Sherwin: 40:43

Sorry I had muted out my microphone we had we have some noise going on outside my building here. And so those pauses in the audio that's because I'm trying to keep the noise down on my end. I knew you'd have a great answer to that. I'm so glad I brought that up. I think it's a very important topic and I love your little summary of the things you found for yourself. I will have the way I summarize it my head. You turn your social media off. Know Werman An hour after you wake up you don't look at it until then and then you have a day off once. Rick that sounds like a really simple but meaningful plan that would work for a lot of people.

Katina: 41:22

Totally yeah. And I think but once you start to do it it feels really like stressful at first which is such a crazy thing to say but once you start to do it and you kind of can't go back to being always on. I've been trying to get outside for a hike every weekend or spend my Sundays completely off of my phone even text messages I don't answer and it feels really nice to enter the week on such a refreshed mindset. So I would highly recommend it.

Dave Sherwin: 42:01

OK. Excellent stuff. Let's move on to the last talking points some you're very passionate about as well which is environmental sustainability and for each person to be more aware and better at personally living a sustainable lifestyle. Now this is also something that is really important to me and has been ever since I was a little boy. I mean I went through Boy Scouts and we were taught about conservation. I love the word conservation because environmentalism has come to how it's come to be a a trigger word. You know and and and it may mean negative things to some people and positive things to other people. And so I like the word conservation because everyone understands and it's basically you know taking care of our environment and and taking personal responsibility because my other concern with the word environmentalism is it sometimes. Appears to me anyway that that is a movement to get other people to clean up their act. Big business government. Others out there someone out there is causing this big problem and by by golly we're going to have a we're going to solve this problem through agitation and solve it so that doesn't resonate with me so much either. But what really resonates with me is people normal everyday people taking responsibility in their own world. And becoming conservationists now that's kind of my personal feeling but I'm it's not something I you know preach about. I don't have a podcast about it. It's just a personal thing. You know we recycle in our house. That kind of thing. Now you on the other hand you're taking this on as something that's part of your mission. And so talk to us about that. Where did this start and. And don't be afraid to step on my toes. I already gave you my kind of two cents worth and that you know. But I want to hear from you and where you're at on this issue and where you'd like to see people be out on this issue. When did you first become aware at the beginning. When did you first become aware of this issue of environmental sustainability.

Katina: 44:32

Totally yeah. It's interesting I mean similarly I grew up in a home where we were psychology and kind of cared about the world and volunteered and things of that nature. But it wasn't until I actually graduated from college and interned at Goldman Sachs where I saw that I was assigned to a completely different team. But there was one woman working on our environmental sustainability efforts at their company and I just thought it was so amazing that you could kind of be working in this really big company for profit company. But.