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Secrets From a Coach - Debbie Green & Laura Thomson's Podcast
Secrets From a Coach - Debbie Green & Laura Thomson's Podcast
180. Learning Prepares Us For The Future
In this second in our 4-part mini-series 'Future Readiness, Today' we look at the role of learning to set us up we for the future. Rather than something that happens in a school, college or just at the start of our careers, having a learning mindset enables us to flourish in our personal and professional lives. Its about balancing the amount of 'crystallised knowledge' that forms over time, with your 'fluid intelligence' to be able to see things with fresh eyes. Learning for fun keeps our brain healthier as we age, plus boosts our confidence though the unplanned jolts of change.
As BB King said 'the wonderful thing about learning is that no-one can take it away from you' - no matter your background or CV, we can set an intent to learn, focus our attention on something purposeful and begin the momentum for change. We share top tips for prioritising learning moments amid the day-to- day, including the 4-stage learning process, the concept of 'neurobics' and remembering the mind-body link to learning. Just like any muscle: use it or lose it. Just 5 mins of learning a day could transform your confidence and future career options.
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Ep. 154 Supercharge Your Development with a PDP
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Ep.126 Empower With Everyday Curious Conversations
Secrets from a coach Thrive and maximise your potential in the evolving workplace. Your weekly podcast with Debbie Green of Wishfish and Laura Thompson-Staveley of Phenomenal Training. Debs, Laura, you alright? Yeah, I'm doing alright. How you all right? Yeah, I'm doing all right. How are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm not doing too bad actually. Yes, it's like coming in. Where are we now? You know when you go, where am I in the year and what's going on and how am I doing and what am I finding out, and when do I stop and think about all that lovely stuff that I'm learning? So, yeah, it's a good time.
Speaker 1:It is a good time. What I think is also interesting is the more years that are behind us, the trickier it is to track. Um, you know, kind of uh, what year is it? How long am I doing this? This for, et cetera, because education gives you such a easy way to demarcate time. Oh yeah, you hear a tune from back in the day and you're able to place that tune. Yeah, because you think, oh yeah, I was in that year at school, whereas now a song that's been released, you know a bit of music. That has happened since I've kind of not been in certain jobs, for example.
Speaker 1:At certain times it's really tricky to sort of mark time and actually having that mindset of everyday school day. Learning isn't just for something that happens at school at the early stage of your life. Actually, it's something that's really useful, and even more so when we think about the future that is ahead of us all and just how important that is, which is why we thought it'd be useful in the second, in our future ready today, focus looking at the role of learning in setting up well for the future. So what are you picking up in terms of adults in the world of work and their attitudes and mindsets around having to learn and the role that learning has.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good question because I think had you asked, asked this question probably I don't know five or six years ago, maybe, or even four, three years ago, um, I don't think it would have been as important to some people not all, obviously because people love learning and they want to develop themselves and and everything else but what I'm noticing is that there seems to be a bigger um appetite for wanting to learn, to wanting to understand how something works, how can I be better, how can I improve, how do I get the best out of myself, and I think over the last possibly two years I've seen that momentum grow. So the reason I'm saying that is obviously I do a lot of cpd stuff, which I've always done ever since, because it's all part of being a coach and continuing your learning. And if I look back and think, maybe 10 of us might have shown up on a CPD workshop just to up our skill level. I did one on last week and I think there was probably 50 people that were on that CPD workshop and that number has been increasing every single month as we've been sitting there learning different things. So I think that's really interesting itself.
Speaker 2:Don't know what that means, but in itself. It's that ability to. People are wanting to find out or wanting to learn more or add to their toolkit to maybe you know we always talk about deepening and broadening your capability. It's not just about being promoted, it's about what else can I absorb, what can I learn? And I think that's been fascinating and I know we always learn every day, as you said, from our clients, from workshops we're running. Somebody will bring in a real interesting thought or a topic and we go, oh my God, I didn't know about that. And then I know I'm a bugger for going off and then researching it a little bit more and then going down that rabbit hole and going, oh there's a book, let me order the book. And then that's why I've got a whole wardrobe full of books that are sort of red, but not always so I think it's shifting.
Speaker 1:I totally agree. What we're going to look at in an episode after this is looking at everyday opportunities to access learning and development as you come and go. So I guess this episode is looking at why should I do it, what are the benefits and what might that mean in terms of not only professionally setting up well for the future, but actually from an all around wellness and health? There's not a single article that we've come across Debs is there that suggests that learning is really good for your brain, health and for a lot of people. The access to variety difference stretching your comfort zone happens in that midlife when you are in your world of work where it is so easy to get same day different outfit, it's so easy to do a copy and paste job. But actually that might make life more efficient short term, but longer term if we're not accessing that creative part of our brain and everyone can be creative If you can worry about something, you can be creative. That's the way I would flip it.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. That's a good shout out.
Speaker 1:So creativity isn't just for people that are good with a paintbrush. If you can sit there and worry about things that haven't happened yet, you've got a brain that can be creative. Because that ability to have a thought that is original, that might not actually be based in fact or reality, is creativity. So that's the way I often sort of reframe it and you see people going, oh okay, cool, maybe I am creative because I'm a massive worrier. Brilliant, how can you somehow channel that anxiety into something that is a bit more purposeful or a bit more kind of useful for it? So this episode, I guess, is looking at the role of learning in setting up well for the future, so accessing that magic power of three. How about if we start off a little bit looking at what are the benefits of opening up our eyes to looking for learning opportunities, and then we can look at some process aspects?
Speaker 2:Definitely, oh my God, and it's always in three, so let's get the first one, Shall we Laura?
Speaker 1:So I think you're going to love this quote that I found Debs. So this is first of all a call out to any of us who maybe have this belief that learning only happens when you're a child or teenage or sort of before you're 21. We'll look at a moment of some things that suggest that learning is really useful no matter what stage or phase of your career that you're in. But Mark Twain's quote, age is an issue of mind over matter. If you do not mind, it does not matter.
Speaker 1:So whether you are at the dawn, the lunchtime or the twilight of your career. That CPD, continuing professional development, whether you're in work, out of work, in short, is keeping your skills and your attitude and your mindset as fresh as possible. And every time our brain has to think about something new, it sends around a whole set of brain fertilizers. That could be handily described as a neurobic workout. And we did some really fun stuff with some clients, didn't we? Debs, our team, with a client who, through the pandemic, they were just getting so bored and samey and the team were all losing morale and they were remote-based anyway, so we gave them some neurobic workouts. And whether that is moving a bit more, doing something a bit different, have to think about things in a slightly different way. Every time your brain is forced to think, it has to create more of that energy and, of course, energy begets energy. So, from a brain health point of view, the benefit of learning is that it keeps that thinking fresh, because you're having to think of new ways to do stuff, problem solving, looking at different ways to do things, and what Raymond Cattell said years and years ago and it's quite controversial the work that he did, but what he looked at was how there were two types of intelligence. So when you were born, you are born only with fluid intelligence. You don't know anything. All you are doing is learning and guzzling all of that information.
Speaker 1:Once you then start to acquire information, I like to imagine it almost like a little crystal that forms and that becomes a bit of knowledge. For example, once you've gone through one bad boss, you've got some crystallized knowledge about what to watch out for the other thing. But there's a part in our lives where the amount of crystallized knowledge starts to hold us back a little bit and it's where that wisdom becomes baggage and we think, no, I'm not going to give that a go, because last time I did that, 20 odd years ago, it didn't work, so it won't work again now. And there's a point at where the older as an adult that you get just to watch the fact that that wisdom absolutely would serve you well to keep yourself safe, efficient, being able to make decisions quickly.
Speaker 1:But the cost of that is it can sometimes mean we close our minds down to looking at fresh ways of doing things, and the long-term cost that has is is our brains can then get crusty and that ability to think quickly, think reflexively, be adapting, be okay with things not being perfect, can start to diminish. So I guess the sweet spot is how can you bring your wisdom from your past? But with that beginner's hope and energy, and that's where getting into the habit of learning can be really useful. So, whether it is learning something that's got nothing to do with your day job, what it gives your brain is opportunity to practice thinking, remembering, recalling and having to think a little bit differently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is fascinating and I love how you're saying that wisdom can become your baggage, because I know we've come across that on numerous occasions, where it's not going to work and people you know I've done it before. It didn't work then, it's not going to work now. And having that beginner's mindset, as you said, looking at it through we always talk about it from looking through child's eyes again, how can you play with it? This time? Yes, you've got some wisdom because it maybe didn't go well. But if you're not, then stopping and asking yourself some questions so what did go well? Not just what went wrong, but actually there would have been elements of whatever it was you were doing that did go really well.
Speaker 2:So stopping and reflecting is, I think it's the thing that we're not doing enough of personally. We're not just stopping and thinking, okay, so what went well? Then you might have a few things and I always say, rather than well, what didn't go well, it's like, well, where could I have improved on that? So that you can look at the areas where it maybe didn't go as well as you thought it would, but that's okay. So, asking yourself that you know that question what went well? Where can I improve? What would I do differently next time?
Speaker 2:What am I learning from this experience that I actually don't want to repeat again? What am I learning from this experience that I actually don't want to repeat again? But I'm not going to give up because I believe there's always opportunity and it can be a little glimmer of hope, doesn't matter how hard it might be or the lessons that you've learned. It might have put you off doing it ever again. So you know, going swimming with maybe some jellyfish, you wouldn't want to do that again. That's a learning right. So safety first, obviously. But there are times when you go maybe I could have done it differently or approached it differently, or used my imagination differently, looked at it from a different perspective.
Speaker 2:So I'm bringing that beginner's mind again and looking at it through the eyes of childhood and I think that's going to make the biggest difference, because there's nothing worse than someone who has an enormous amount of knowledge and wisdom that just has given up on learning. And you unpick those people and get them to think about something differently and whilst they don't want to go there because it's probably filled with 101 fear or whatever might be driving that is creating that space for them to explore with curiosity, as you said, so that we can be creative around our thinking. Now Take the lesson. But what can I do with that? Now? What wouldn't I want to repeat? But what will I absolutely add to my knowledge base, if you like. So I'm creating different crystals maybe Lovely.
Speaker 1:And Debs in a moment. Move on to the second focus, which is, from a process point of view, how you can set yourself up to sort of go through that. But you mentioned the word knowledge. Knowledge management, I think, is a really hot topic for industries all across different professions at the moment. How do we extract all of that intangible knowledge that is sitting inside all of those brains? How do we extract it out of that? And that might be determined by that person's confidence, their individual, the team culture. But if it all just sits silently sitting there wearing away in individual brains, then we're just going to slow stuff down. It's going to bombard people with feeling overwhelmed because they feel like they're the only person holding it all together. So that ability to share what you know quickly and easily, I think is going to be a really useful skill for the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's spot on, lauren, you just triggered my thoughts around a team we were working with a little while back were do something very specific, because they work on very big creative campaigns and there's obviously loads of people working on different things with different knowledge and they make it their point of coming together to do an actual what do we know. So they go what do we know, you know, what do you know, what do I know? And they literally will go around the room talking about a particular client they're working with and they'll ask everybody. So they have a note, what they call a they're working with and they'll ask everybody. So they have a note, what they call a knowing session, um, so, and they have the question, the only question that gets asked is what do you know?
Speaker 2:And for me, I observed them doing this and it takes half an hour, um, that's it, no more than that. But it's a regular thing within their work calendar that they all just sit around and go what do you, you know, what do you know? No judgment, and that person will share what they know about that particular client or and that might be something they've read or they've picked up from another person in another part of the organization and they literally knowledge share as a way of them working out. What do they then do with? That then becomes the conversation that the team leaders have and the people um bring in their thoughts and opinions, and it sort of spins off into other conversations, if you like. But that very first one of that weekly what, what do you know? Share knowledge here. It was fascinating to watch it and I'm sitting there going oh my god, this is incredible. I didn't know that you know, and there's all that open mindedness to it to be open minded and just listen. So listening is, I think, something we need to dial up as well.
Speaker 1:Love it, debs. So we're talking about the role of learning in setting up well for the future. Not only does that enable an organisation to be able to move quicker, but it also means from a personal point of view. Not only is it useful from a career perspective, but all the research is showing the more you can get your brain to have variety and diversity to create fresh thinking processes, the more fresh and sustained that thinking is later on in life as well. Use it or lose it. That's probably how we could sum it up with that.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, yeah, definitely, and I think you know, and not to put a slant, but obviously my dad, as you know, has got dementia and keeping his knowledge going. There are things that he will remember and there are things that he just won't remember. But you know, sitting down with him and talking about, like, doing little mini quizzes or getting him to do remember this, or a day in the life he will recall some, some of that information not all of it, but again, trying to keep his brain thinking and you know, having a variety of different things that he's doing in his day, um, you can see, it makes a difference, you know, and it's just taking time to you know. Invest in yourself, really, yeah, so, which is interesting. So go on then, lord, tell us about number two, setting yourself up for success. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:Malcolm Broadwell, a while ago, came up with this process that looks at the four stages that a typical adult will go through as they are learning and acquiring a new skill. So let's take the classic one that we use whenever we're covering this in the training room, which is learning how to drive, and looking at these four stages just enables you to number one keep empowered. If it feels a bit uncomfortable in the first stage doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. It's actually. It can be a bit uncomfortable having to step outside a pattern, but, as I learned when I worked at Anne Somers for four years, it only feels uncomfortable the first couple of times. Anyway, just thought I'd chuck in a little.
Speaker 2:That's another story, right.
Speaker 1:I just thought I'd chuck in a bit of fun there, because actually fun while learning is one of the quickest ways to make it not feel like a chore. So if you're having fun while you're learning and fun is different things to different people Could be doing a puzzle, but for someone else that might really stress them out, might be doing something, learning a new random skill that for someone else would not be considered fun, but it is for you. So you do you. But typically there are these four stages that we go through. So imagine you're learning to drive. Just reflect.
Speaker 1:If you have learned to drive, reflect on real memories. If you haven't, imagine it what you would feel like. So it's the night before your very first driving lesson. What's going through your mind? And it's at this point you'll either be a swinger or a grabber in relation to that unknown skill. So imagine the skill is like a valley of the unknown. You're here on one side as a non-driver or a non-spreadsheet user, whatever that skill is, and then on the other side of the valley is the version of you that is able to do that skill. Now there are some people that just want to swing straight across. I can't wait to have that freedom to be able to do that skill and they just want to. They get impatient, they just want to start doing it straight away. You've got other people that might hold you onto the side going oh, I don't really want to do it.
Speaker 1:And they're kind of grabbing onto the side because it all feels a bit big and scary. So that first stage is known as unconscious incompetence. I don't know what it is that, I don't know yet and that's either hugely exhilarating and exciting or a bit scary and a bit overwhelming, a bit stressful. But no matter where you are in that first bit. There's then the reality check. So there you are, driving instructor turns up, you sit in the car and you go. Oh my God, and that second stage this is happening.
Speaker 1:So the second stage we call the reality check, but the fancy term for it is conscious incompetence. I now know what it is that I don't know, and that's either better or worse than what I imagined. So this bit is then where, as you said, tracking as you're going, just kind of trying to keep everything as compartmentalised, as calm as possible, and this is where having some clear objectives in your mind. So let's say, for example, one of the skills you want to do is do a bit more networking, just taking it step by step. Let me give it one go oh, how did I find that? And just those reflective questions that you mentioned earlier on.
Speaker 1:Then, what you've got to do whether it's driving, networking, standing up in front of people doing a talk, learning how to use a spreadsheet is you've got to practice, practice, practice, and the purpose of that is to arrive at a stage of conscious competence. I could do it, but I have to think about it as I'm doing it, and this is the stage where it really helps to have a learning buddy. The reason you have a driving instructor is no one wants to sit there and reverse parallel park 17 times in a row. It's boring, it's monotonous, but that's precisely what your brain needs to get it into that habit formation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you might not do it either. If you bump the curve, you might just give up and oh, I don't need to do that if no one's there with you, right?
Speaker 1:Absolutely, or, worst case scenario, you don't learn the best practice and then, at a point of pressure further on down the line, something happens and you're not able to cope with it. So the purpose of that third stage, the conscious competence, is groove formation, so going around and around and around imagine it like a field and you're constantly walking over that path. At some point it becomes a permanent path To then arrive at the fourth stage, which is unconscious competence. I now can just do it. This time last year it would have taken me three hours to have done that spreadsheet. Now I can bang them out one after the other. It's just what I do, whether that's driving, whether that's networking. It's stuff that doesn't cause your brain a flurry of anxiety because it sits there in the back of your brain, just as this new groove of the skill that you've got. However, it sounds like unconscious competence is like the sweet spot, but those grooves can arrive at a stage where we get complacent and then Debs.
Speaker 1:I think the call to action for the role of learning and setting up well for the future is I think there are probably millions of us that are walking around, going yeah, I know how to do that, tick done and then suddenly a change comes on the horizon and it really impacts your ego.
Speaker 1:Because once you think you are skilled at something, it then becomes quite embarrassing or it can feel shaming if you feel like you are not a good driver or good at talking or speaking up in front of people.
Speaker 1:So once you become a self-assigned expert in something, you've then got the biggest enemy to learning, which is ego, where ego is then getting in the way of getting into that learning state.
Speaker 1:So anyone here that works in an industry where there's mandatory first aid, refresher training, for example, or security or compliance related or audits all of that is designed to shock our brain out of that complacent pattern and to have that fresh perspective again of where we're either told a story or there's been some kind of reason to then kind of wake up and just refresh that learning again, reason to then kind of wake up and just refresh that learning again. So those four stages I think can be really empowering, because number one just because it might feel uncomfortable at the start doesn't mean it's the wrong path for you. Learning is uncomfortable because you're stepping outside of that comfort zone. But seeing it for what it is, it's a series of processes and your day job might not be around learning to play a harmonica or something, but your brain, having to go through that process, means it is far more equipped and it feels far more familiar when you have to do it in an environment where there's more pressure or there's more requirement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's such a good point because I always dreaded having to do my first day training again because you think, oh, someone's going to watch me. But I think that bit around, that unconsciously competent at now doing it but also not getting complacent with it. I think that's when you can put in your own reflection, I think in the middle of that, to say what have I learned? And actually I know that really well, but what's changed? So consciously bringing it to the front of your mind to say what has changed, because you might have read something I don't know 20 years ago and you're using it over and over and over again, and then you stop and think and something, as you said, new comes along. But if you're not, if you're like creating that thinking for yourself to disrupt your own thinking, which is through your own cpd, right then, then you will become, as you said, your wisdom in the first point.
Speaker 2:Your wisdom does become your baggage and your ego gets in the way. So I think that ability to do it, so it becomes part of every day. But have a break point in it where you check in with yourself again and going has that been updated? Is there something new? And I always look out for the second books of people. So they might have done one book. And then you go I wonder if they've done a new one, so I might the ones I use all the time go oh yeah, they have updated the book, I'll get that one. So it's that consciously thinking, putting that breaker point in, to ask yourself those questions, what don't I know yet?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Debs, I mean I know you're always so good at talking about those kind of self-reflection questions the busier you are, the less likely it is you're going to be motivated to look for opportunities to learn, because short term learning is hassle?
Speaker 1:It is. It's much easier just to copy and paste, bang out stuff, but, debs, the robots are doing that right. So we have got to make sure we go through that hassle of, or I would suggest that we go through that hassle of having to learn, because if we're not doing it, the machines are learning and we could just sleepwalk our way into a future where we're not actually empowered to call the shots on what we do.
Speaker 1:The wheel was invented to take us places, not to tell us where to go. Ai and automation and all of these things to enable life to be easier for us to then be able to be empowered to use that. And if we're switching off now and just kind of not really carving out opportunities to learn, then a longer term not only could that have some career consequences, but most importantly, it could really have some mental health and cognitive health role as well. Because if all we're doing is sitting there guzzling pre-processed information, that's like a constant diet of fast food. I guess learning is where I'm going to chop up some broccoli every now and then.
Speaker 2:I can have me five a day. I can have me five a day.
Speaker 1:And that could be, deb, just five minutes a day of what have I actually learned today? What's something that you know of all of the stuff that I've consumed, that people have told me do? I want to go and forage and find out a little bit, and it could just be five minutes, and then over a lifetime. That means your brain has been given a bit of exercise, which means that the benefit of that is is, as and when it is called to deal with a difficult, stressful or unknown circumstance, you're far more equipped and confident to be able to handle that. Every day is a school day.
Speaker 2:Every day is a school day. Oh my God, I love that. And that curious mind is the one that gets you to think differently. You know, just because something and I think that's interesting actually I'm just going off a tangent here when we're in workshops and you can see somebody, if you're in the room or on the screen, where they physically react to a point that you've made, it's either sparked an interest for them or makes them want to go and find out more. But it's always interesting to catch those moments and ask them those questions. So I've just noticed that you've reacted.
Speaker 2:You know, in a way, that you weren't sure about that. What's going on for you? What are you now thinking? And it's bringing them into the what are you now thinking? It gives them that space to then explore what I did, think this, but now you've said that I now think this, but I'm just making out how I can work my way through that. So again that going through that, I now know it, that you know I'm now consciously incompetent, I now know it, but I don't quite know how to adapt and flex and put that into my every day. And and that's the beauty of doing what we do right we give people the chance to try on for size in a safe space and learn, I suppose. So they start creating their new grooves. I love it. Yeah, new grooves, new grooves, baby, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:And just thinking about your wardrobe full of unread books, I mean I can't tell you how many half read books that I've got. I think there's. I mean, we'll focus on this on the next episode, I know, but I think it's being gentle with yourself. We'll focus on this on the next episode, I know, but I think it's being gentle with yourself, setting yourself realistic expectations. Maybe there is a PhD burning inside of you, but the goals might be set in stone. The timings are in sand. Sometimes life gets in the way of all of these best laid plans. All of us as a team have acknowledged that in the last couple of months, a couple of years well, forever, really, isn't it? Life gets in the way of all these plans. But actually, in terms of learning, you don't have to sit on a formal course with a certificate to access that learning, which is why we'll cover a bit more of that in the next session.
Speaker 1:But I guess the purpose of this one is just opening our eyes to if you're busy, just catch yourself that it's not becoming repetitive. If you're busy, just catch yourself that it's not becoming repetitive. Samey and the same old groove, because what that then can create is more anxiety than is required if there is a change that's on the horizon and in terms of setting up well for the future. Just that five a day, debs. I love that idea. Five minutes a day just to check in on your brain. What have I learned today? What have I taken? What do I not want to take forward? Creating some of those new crystals? Yes, I like that Stuff to refer to, but not to drag us down from the past. Yes, absolutely Definitely.
Speaker 2:And, as you said, laura, you mentioned three, so go on, then. What's the third one?
Speaker 1:So I think the third one is around learning isn't just about your brain and your thinking patterns. In fact just doing some research in on it, moving your body also kickstarts that whole machinery kind of with it. So I was just sort of playing around. You know we like little acronyms. So if you're feeling a little bit kind of sad and there at the moment where you're sedentary, so you've done a lot of sitting, you're on autopilot, so you're just going through the motions and I don't mean from a clinical point of view but you just feel a little bit depressed. So rather than kind of up, you're feeling a little bit sort of depressed.
Speaker 1:How we can move that into going a little bit mad. So moving around, adjusting what you're looking at to get a bit of variety and develop step by step, so not some great big makeover but just develop step by step. So I guess the third bit is this isn't just a brain thing, it's all about treating it as a whole body thing and actually you might not be in the mood to learn, but if you go and sniff some fresh air, do a bit of walking, get out of that sedentary position of way looking at the same thing, then no wonder your brain's not inspired to learn because your body's not giving it those cues. So get up, get out, sniff out some new information, and I guess that's the third bit. It's just reminding us of that brain body link. You can't think yourself into a learning mindset if you're not in the mood, but you can move yourself, adjust your state, and then it all just starts to have a bit of positive momentum.
Speaker 2:I love that. Going from sad to mad. I love that, but in a good way. I love that. So what would be your share the secret?
Speaker 1:then, laura, oh, my share the secret would be just for fun. Think of something that you've always sort of fancied doing or fancied learning about. And even if your life might be hampered by some setbacks or some obstacles, no one can control your thoughts except you. So you can fill your boots. The world, the internet, you can find anything you want in terms of your fingertips.
Speaker 1:So get together with a colleague and just say do you know what? I think it's time I need to freshen things up a little bit. Should we go mad? Together, let's do a bit of moving, let's adjust how we work or what we do, and then let's develop and having an accountability buddy, not to stress you out, but just to remind you on you know of what you've then set. And if there isn't an appropriate colleague to do that, use your phone or some kind of reminder system. So the share the secret, I think, is just what's going through your mind now as a result of listening to this. Get someone else to listen to it. What's it sparked? And if not now, for the future, you, it could be that five a day, that five minutes a day of learning, that you're really glad that you set that intention.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that. I'm going to definitely do that. So my call to action is sort of builds on. That really was, if you're listening to somebody or you're with someone and they mentioned something, that you go, oh, I wonder what that's all about. So if in your internal mind you're wondering what that was all about, consciously write that down and then go and find out about it, and because that will keep your curiosity going. But you have to connect with your moment where you go oh, I didn't know that, or something like that. So whenever you get your oh moment, go and find out about it.
Speaker 1:Love it. So, debs, I've really enjoyed this session. You know it's been really good. And I think that unconscious competence, that four-step model whenever we bring it out, you know, just on a simple flip chart, it really gets people thinking, because it's got nothing to do with age, it is to do with your mindset. And just to end on a quote from BB King, the wonderful thing about learning is no one can take it away from you. True, you may be in a role mic drop, mic drop, mic drop. So the wonderful thing about learning is no one can take it away from you. You might have the worst set of circumstances going on in your life or your role right now, but your ability to be able to set a little intention for yourself, go out and find some information, get a sense of expertise, and the fact that you're kind of learning something new, that is yours and no one can take it away from you.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that and I look forward to continuing our conversation around this next time. So, yeah, look forward to seeing you then. Can't wait. Have a fantastic week, you too, lovely, and I'll see you. See you on the other side, yeah we hope you've enjoyed this podcast.
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