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267. The Gift of Pause: Rest as a Radical Act

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In this second in our 3-part mini-series inviting us to Slow Down to Go Faster, we reframe the concept of rest by asking: how would an athlete consider the concept of rest in their profession? A vital component for performance!  In a world that glorifies busyness, rest can feel like a luxury, but in this episode we explore why it’s actually a radical, life-changing act. 

We dive into the real meaning of rest, the myths that stop us from prioritising it, and how intentional pauses can transform not just your wellbeing, but also your performance, clarity and relationships at work.

We share practical examples of how to build rest into your high performance routines, how to say no with love, and why protecting your energy is a life-leadership skill, not a guilty secret. We summarise tips for incorporating rest into your day, the power of micro-pauses, and simple ways to bring more ease into your team culture - including fun, innovative approaches to help everyone reset and stay connected.

Whether you’re running on empty, juggling too much, or simply curious about how to work and live with more spaciousness, this episode invites you to rethink rest as a choice, not a reward - and to treat it as a strategic, courageous act.

Key themes: rest, productivity, self-care, intentional pauses, boundaries, saying no, team dynamics, wellbeing, leadership, mental health, performance

A replenishing, perspective-shifting listen to remind you that rest isn’t a weakness - it’s one of the smartest investments you can make in yourself and your team.

SPEAKER_00:

Coming up on this week's Secrets from a Coach.

SPEAKER_01:

Because any high performing sports person will have their protected rest and they will have not be disturbed. Any artist has that as well, right? Singers, you cannot interrupt them at all. So why do we not do why do we not take that approach when it's for us?

SPEAKER_00:

Obviously, one of the reasons why this is such a hot topic is there are many, many things baying for our attention. Yes. Removing that opportunity to take a moment and rest and just have some quiet time.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Secrets from a coach. Thrive and maximise your potential in the evolving workplace. Your weekly podcast with Debbie Green of Wishfish and Laura Thompson Stavely of Phenomenal Training.

SPEAKER_01:

Law, you all right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Good week. What a yeah, uh, yeah, yeah, good week, yeah. As you can see by my um my introduction, my head's all over the place a little bit. Like it's whizzing around and there's lots of stuff. Um but enough about me. What what do you think about me?

SPEAKER_01:

Um I love you just as you are, Lau. Um I'm with you on back thank you. I'm with you on that. It just feels like I know the 25th of December, which is the time we're recording this, does not shift in the calendar. But for some reason it creeps up and it's there before you know it. So juggling so much stuff and thinking, when am I ever gonna stop for a moment? I just like it's gone out the window, but I'm not alone because loads of people are saying the same thing. Wow. Or counting down the days to their time off or something like that. So yeah, rest is a bit of a weird word, I think.

SPEAKER_00:

It is, and so this is the second in a third-part mini-series that we called Slow Down to Go Faster. And I think what's interesting about rest, and I'd love to hear your thoughts, Debs, on from your perspective as a coach, what do you hear in the coaching space? Why is it important? What are some tips that we can um deploy ourselves, and what does that mean then to kind of bring moments of planned rest with your team?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I'll tell you a metaphor or analogy or a parallel that I always have in my mind. I remember hearing um someone run a session once, and they were saying how if you were an athlete, it would be an expected part of your professional maintenance to rest and recover.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

In fact, you get performance managed, you get told off if all you did was run races and never actually gave your body an opportunity to rest and recover. And I think that's an interesting parallel to then think for us, you know, life life can sometimes feel like it's a bit athletic when you're juggling lots of things and what role kind of rests. So, Debs, what have you uh experienced as some conversations around people's perceptions of taking time to slow down, taking a moment to rest, feelings of guilt in in kind of you know prioritizing yourself. So, yeah, what's your kind of view on this topic?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, all of the above, actually. Um, and it's like it shouldn't be a surprise that we do need to rest. You know what? I love that link to athletes because any high-performing sports person will have their protected rest and they will have not be disturbed. Any artist has that as well, right? Singers, you cannot interrupt them at all. So why do we not do why do we not take that approach when it's for us? How do we adopt rest as a radical act and enable it um us to build in some what we call some still points that enable us to just tiny intentional pauses? And I think I was coaching somebody yesterday actually that is loves being busy and is very good, as they said, at multitasking. And what they explained was in an hour they have a call, and then the call might finish half an hour, 30 minutes, they've got 30 minutes before their next one. But instead of just stopping and pausing, taking a moment, drinking their cup of tea while it's hot, do it, they whiz off and put the washing on because they're working from home. They whiz off and they do a quick 20-minute session in their in-house gym. And it's like they don't ever stop. And they were saying about energy depletion and feeling burnt out. And I go, Oh my god, I was tired listening to them because they don't make the use of the pause as well as they could. So that was their tiny intentional pause was one of their actions they took away. Um, and I've already you know had a message to say, Oh, a cup of tea without multitasking has made such a difference. Because we're not born to multitask. No, we're not born to do that.

SPEAKER_00:

I did a bit of geeking off on Google.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you?

SPEAKER_00:

On Google. Oh, okay. But I did do it via the new scientist site. So it was a proper login. Absolutely, yes, yes. So chuck a bit of money at it to hopefully get the proper stuff. Um and what happens to the brain when you take that pause? So um, you know, I'm sure you've got brilliant ways of sort of explaining it, but I think just just viewing your your your brain as a you know, a an absolute part of your body, rather than this invisible thing that's there, and by slowing it down, you're um reducing all of the energy that's going to your amygdala, which is your threat detection centre.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

So it just sort of pours oil over kind of you know troubled waters and just that power of a breath and taking a moment.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And if I sort of transfer into this world of health, into the world of health and safety, yes, leadership development, that stuff over the years, you know, when you do a root cause analysis of things that have gone wrong and either led to unpleasant or disastrous outcomes, yes, there's a lot of um culture stuff and there's a lot of um maybe systemic stuff that isn't right.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But a lot of the times someone was having a bad day and they were rushing and they didn't think things through and they just acted and something didn't go particularly well. And there'll be all sorts of other reasons as to why it. So it's not kind of blaming the person that made the mistake, but often it these things happen, accidents happen when your eyes are not on the ball and you're dashing from one thing to another.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think sometimes drawing parallels from different worlds, like the world of sporting sports, like the world of incidents and accidents, yes, if you sort of take those parallels from those worlds and bring them into the little day-to-day right now, then it just helps bring a bit of confidence to think actually I'm I'm more harm if I dash from one thing to the other. And if I'm about to have an important conversation, yeah, rather than blurting out something that could potentially require years to mop up the you know, the impact of like an offhand comment might have, then just taking that moment of rest.

SPEAKER_01:

That's really a good point. I think you know, stillness, therefore, is a is a luxury. Um, you know, it's not a luxury, I should say, but it is a life support machine. You know, it's a bit of a system that helps us build our lives better. You made me think, actually, Law, that if you were going for surgery and you found out that your surgeon had been running around like a lunatic and started to multitask before you went under the anaesthetic, I wonder how comfortable you'd feel about that, knowing that he had so many bits of stuff going on. Surgeons are the same, right? They prepare themselves, they do whatever they need to do, they don't go from one op to another op to another op. They take a pause in between so they can be on their best. Um, and that's why I think stillness is not a luxury, it's a life support system. But what stops us from translating that into our work world where we're just as important in doing the jobs we're doing, okay. You know, we may not be saving lives, but we could be saving lives. But why do we not take those absolutely intentional pauses? Because then we we if we can, we can then operate at our best. And it's just a bit of a juxtaposition as to yeah, but and guilt, and all of that plays into it. Whereas if you say to someone, I give you permission to stop, oh, it's really a weird feeling for somebody, like the person I was coaching yesterday. It was just let's just sit quietly, let's just take an intentional pause and just breathe. And we sat there for about three minutes, and I could see the relaxation, the calmness come over them. So they were then ready to step into the conversation we were about to have about their life. Um, so not a small conversation, but it was really interesting to create that pause for them as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Ooh. So the gift take a rat rest is a radical act. The reason why it might be quite radical is that you might be in an industry or a profession where that isn't the done thing when you look around. Yeah. If we just take a bit of a strategic couple of levels up, there are plenty of industries and sectors where you'd get sacked if you were seen to not take a rest. Take a rest. Rest isn't a sign of weakness. I love that expression. It's not a luxury, it's a life support machine. So it's uh it enables you to come from a position of strength rather than I can't handle stuff, I need a rest.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I guess from a proactive point of view, better to have little bits of rest rather than your body give you a full and total breakdown.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Force it upon you. And I know, you know, that's a topic that's really close to uh a lot of our hearts.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And um the and I guess from a practical point of view, in that moment, if your body is a machine, you're giving yourself a chance just to reboot and reset. So from a performance point of view, you're likely to perform at a higher level, higher quality level, as a result of taking that rest.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, definitely. Because I think um, and I love that. If there's a something I wrote down when we were doing this, honour your human battery. You're not a machine, you are built for a con you're not built for constant output, and rest restores clarity, creativity, and compassion. Makes sense, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Love it.

SPEAKER_01:

So, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Love it. Debs, let's now explore in the day-to-day hurly burly, particularly um at the time of recording. This is um, you know, traditionally a very busy time of year with lots of things ending and beginning and celebrations and lots of stuff kind of going on and pressures and all those things that sort of need to be um dealt with. So let's have a look at some practical things that people have said to us or we've observed can then help recharge your human battery. So, Debs, I'm curious. Obviously, in the spirit of um confidentiality, as always, secrets from a coach, we share the general insights rather than the sort of specifics. We don't want too many people wincing as we share our um share our insights. But what are some of the practical takeaways that you've observed people taking away when the need to rest has come up in a coaching conversation?

SPEAKER_01:

I think the reframing of it is as being the one thing that's made the biggest difference around um treating rest as a bit a decision rather than a reward. Um, because you don't have to inverted commerce earn the right to rest. You can choose to stop, I think. And then um, as you said before you crash, um, because it is a it's an act of courage, but it's also an act of self-preservation, self-leadership, self-awareness. So I think that reframing it from I've earned it to it's a decision I'm making because I know I need to. And just that small shift in the language we tell ourselves has really helped people make the most of their time when they rest. Um, and there's an organization we work with really closely that are very good at enabling people not to eat at their desks. That's one of their ground rules of working. If you're going, you go up into the restroom, restaurant, and that's where you have your lunch space, you can go out. You but what they've said is they've mandated you do not sit at your desk and eat. Um, so that you are away from that constant hub up or the machine or the emails or or or um, and they also actively encourage people to not look at their work phone. So, and I thought that was quite interesting because that when they first introduced it, they thought they were going to get a lot of backlash, but because it became the company, there's only 200 people in the organization, but because it became the norm, it was accepted that that's okay to do that. So, better productivity, better performance, happier employees, um, just by doing that. But the the leader role modelled it. So I think that was the other thing because sometimes we see leaders say, yep, let's do that, and they don't do it. So that puts people on edge to think, well, if they're not doing it, maybe I can't, um, because I'm now for gonna be different. So, yeah, I think it it was a conscious effort by everybody, and the difference is made is huge.

SPEAKER_00:

Two reflections. First off, I just had a little humorous vision in my mind of my surgeon sitting there eating her pot noodle, checking her phone whilst rummaging around.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Oh, is that a noodle?

SPEAKER_00:

So uh, you know, they're again uh uh industries you work with where you've got to have a pristine environment in order to do your best work. So I think that's just made me chuckle. Yeah. Um, and an interesting reflection, I went along to a thing that was at um my daughter's uh senior school last week and sitting next to a parent with whom their child is one school year above me. Right. And above me, above my daughter, and that was the year that they introduced the no phones in school ban. Ah, okay. So my daughter went into her senior school, and that was just the new norm. Obviously, there were six years of kids kicking off going, why can't we have our phones?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But actually, the parent of the um the child who's one year older said, Yeah, they were all a bit up in arms for the first couple of weeks, but actually it's just created this peace for us. Yes, yeah. So the kids are quite happy with it because it it's fair, because no one is allowed their phones. So I think that's been quite interesting, just you mentioning about mobile phone. Obviously, one of the reasons why this is such a hot topic is that there are many, many things baying for our attention, yes, removing that opportunity to take a moment and rest and just have some quiet time.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, because it gives you back your you know, your brain power, really, um, and moves you away from being distracted, like you said, because you know, our brain was not set up to be a multitasking brain, it just wasn't. It was set up to do one thing, then a next thing, and then the next thing. We've just got very good at juggling loads of different things, and um, it's just fascinating how we've learned to adapt. But if you go back to the natural world, you know, they only do one thing at a time. So why do we not take lessons from nature? Because you're you love your lessons from nature, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe not from a panda. Maybe not the panda, but no. So I I wouldn't necessarily copy the ones that the extinct animals would. Can you imagine that? Going into organisations, be more dodo.

SPEAKER_01:

No, oh no, maybe not.

SPEAKER_00:

I love that. Um, you know, multi-generational working is a is a you know a big topic for so many organisations now, which is why it really interested me about when the school culture was sort of bigger than the individual kids, you know, they're all on their phones. Actually, as long as there's fairness, as long as everyone is is um you know got got the rule, yeah, then um you sort of over time, you know, you've just got to sort of crack on with it, and then it becomes the norm, and then actually people quite, you know, it just becomes what what we sort of do from a from a peace point of view. And of course, that was inspired by you saying about you've got a you know a client with whom they've put those cultural kind of norms in. What else would be some practical um things to inspire us from a personal point of view to look for moments of rest?

SPEAKER_01:

I think there's two things. It's being able to say no with love, um, because if we say yes, it costs us our energy. So, and every no we say protects it. So declining a request with kindness is a gift to yourself, um, both present and your future self. So, but we really find it really hard to say no to people because we want to please them, we want to do again. There's a hundred and one reasons why we don't say no, but actually it's about being able to practice that no in a in a nice way, um, where you can go, no, not right now. And I know you know some of the work that we did last year and the beginning of the year was around enabling people to say no, but kill keep the relationship, saying yes to the person but no to the task. And I think that's the bit that maybe we need to practice a bit a bit more so that we can say no with love and kindness.

SPEAKER_00:

Love that. So reframe rest is not a luxury, it's a life choice.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

And if you were a surgeon, what would the expectation be around eating your pot noodle, checking your phone out whilst doing your role?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

So be more surgeon. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, be more surgeon.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, uh, less dodo, more surgeon, love. Yes. And then the second one around saying no with love. Yes. And then Deb's hit me with a three. I know.

SPEAKER_01:

I've got you your three, Law. I managed to put that in there for you.

SPEAKER_00:

Give me that dopamine hit.

unknown:

Go on.

SPEAKER_01:

It's asking, notice what nourishes you versus what numbs you. So is this soothing me or avoiding me? So choose activities that fill you back up. You know, what is it that you love? Laughter. I mean, we were on the call before we jumped on here with James, who shout out to James Aerophon, who does all of our sound. Thank God he's with us. We just did not stop laughing. And it was just that it's a nourishing feeling to be able to laugh. Um, and I think things like that, music, movement, anything like that. So it's do the things that don't drain you further. So is this soothing me or is it avoiding me? So thinking about you know what nourishes you, what numb you, and being very astutely aware of that. And we were in hysterics, right? It took us probably 30 minutes to even get ready to record today, didn't it, Laura?

SPEAKER_00:

I know, and I know a lot of people listen to this sort of in the car, maybe with little ears listening. So let me give you the clean version. So, you know, when you create a funny name that when you see it on the screen or on paper, it looks quite innocuous and not rude. Well, our lovely James had put himself onto the screen, and let's just say that his surname was Oxlong. The first name was Michael, but he'd written the shortened version of Michael. Now, if you just say that name out loud, because of course when you look at it, it looks quite innocent. So I said, Who's this? and then read out the name. We were howling with laughter. We were. But the and I think that's what's interesting, Devs, when you say about nourish rather than love. Actually, that 30 seconds of properly wheezing with laughter is a rest to the system.

SPEAKER_01:

It is, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and you're filling it with things that are joyful and just make you change your state. And it, yeah, why would we not do more of that? You know, yeah. Why would we not? I don't know, but it would really help.

SPEAKER_00:

It really would. And I also appreciate that there is a lot of feeling like people are um treading on eggshells and tiptoeing round because of fear of upsetting people. Um so maybe the takeaway action for this wouldn't be give yourself a rude name on your next team's call.

SPEAKER_01:

No, that's not the action, unless you want to, yeah. But maybe not. That could be career limiting.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but the intention of looking for opportunities. To rest, and rest doesn't mean just silence, it could be just a bit of a break from what you're doing at the moment, just to reset the energy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I'd love to now take it to from a team point of view. So, what can one person start to bring into a team environment, whether you are the formal manager or you're a culture architect, so someone within the team and want to make some good influence? So I think that'd be really interesting to look at. Rest as a radical act, and now let's bring that up to a team perspective. So, Debs, we've got one-to-ones, we've got quarterly catch-ups, we've got monthly meetings, we've got some Mondays trades, we've got Fridays review.

unknown:

Give me a break.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow, that's a lot, right? That's a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

So we're not talking about putting in more meetings.

SPEAKER_01:

No, definitely not more meetings. If anything, you could probably, I think you shared an example. You could probably get as much done in the last five minutes as you could in the whole hour if you are direct and straight to the point. And it's not about meetings for meeting's sake, it's like strike while the iron's hot, be clear on what you want. And you had a brilliant example of that because you got a result.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. I call it my Columbo.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, tell us more. Why do you call it Columbo? So it's just one more thing. Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Did you want to go ahead with it? Yes or no? Brilliant. Ideally, what day of the week? Tuesday's fantastic. What do you think it is the first month? February. Brilliant. I've said you some dates. Lovely. Lock it in. Job done.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. But that, and we spend so much time, teams in meetings, back-to-back meetings. And it's like, what do you? I think question the team. Do you need so many meetings? Is there a smarter way of doing this? Is there a different way with all of the technology that is out there now for us? You know, obviously, you know, people do use Google Share Docs and stuff like that, so they can update as you go. But there is so much we could probably access that would give us back time rather than sit on a call for an hour and think, oh, and it's back to back to back, which is not healthy for us anyway. But I also think, how does how does somebody bring an element of fun or energy into the mix as well, as part of team dynamic? It's um it's something that people look for. It's not the cheesy stuff, um, but it's the stuff that also has benefit because it makes you just think differently. So if you can do some stuff that makes people just think, there's a meaning to it, and there's a learning out of it, but it's fun. Um, and you have the best game ever, which people love, which is your little yellow friend, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah, it's a lonely life on the road as a jobbing trainer, Debs.

SPEAKER_01:

But you have your yellow banana with you, Lord.

SPEAKER_00:

I always carry my plastic yellow banana. Um, it's fantastic. It's such a fun little game, it's basically a continuous improvement game. Yeah. Um, but it's just something a bit different, and it just kind of gets then unlocks a bit of chat after, and yeah, it's uh yeah, it's just it's just things that make people think a bit differently. And I think that's what I'm taking from this conversation we're having around rest as a radical act. You don't have to be sitting there silently meditating in order for it to be a rest. It could be working with someone that you never normally work with. So let's say you're running team meetings and um it's either a face-to-face or it's virtual. Can you put in a bit of a breakout room just to mix things up? Yes. Where you purposefully mix up people that don't tend to work with each other. Yeah. And rather than it being embarrassing and awkward, this is what I've learned over the years. Give people something to do.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

So if you're there um and it's an in-room, have three starter for ten questions up on the slide, or give people a couple of questions to go into a breakout room because the natural extroverts will dominate it, the natural introverts will feel a bit uh what we're doing. So it just helps sort of set the field a bit.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Um and then sort of so mix things up a bit, maybe have something as a bit of an attention grabber at the start and something at the end. Yeah. And just to mix things up, I think. So and then that's that's a it's it's an opportunity to take a rest from the day-to-day chores.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, and yes, you can do a bit of peaceful reflection at the start, even just saying to the team, should we take a deep breath in, deep breath out? Right. Yes. Let's go round. How's your week been? And just even that little tiny 30-second action can just because when humans breathe in sync, that's the deepest level of rapport.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, wow, that's amazing. But we can create that, and as a team leader, manager's leader, you can do the same thing. Um, I probably wouldn't recommend it if you're doing a massive town hall because people go, What the hell? But certainly for smaller um team meetings or your own team is yeah, that ability to just break it up and and create something different, not wacky or stupid or and not all the time, but something that just mixes, yeah, as you said, mixes it up a little bit or and you know, getting other people to chair a meeting, you know, having that change. I mean, we can if we can we're really creative, right? And as we said, you know, if we can honour our human battery, then we can create more creativity within our workspace rather than the same old mundane hamster wheel of meetings and structure and you know, which was not good for us at all. So I think you can ask the team, they always come up with really great ideas. Don't do it to them, include them in the decision.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, Debs. And a final little insight around bringing this to the team and just being able to sort of land it in a way that is emotionally intelligent, basically. Yes, is um is sometimes re uh reverse brainstorming that idea. So rather than thinking, hmm, the team are tired, right? What can we do to bring in some of this rest and recovery? And if you've got a bit of a mind block, then flip it. So reverse brainstorm it. What would the team are tired, they're a bit fatigued, it's coming to the end of a you know a period of work. Um, what's the worst thing we could do? And sometimes by going, what's the worst thing we could do? You get sort of three things of we definitely can't do that, pretend everything's right when it's not, yeah, force them to do something cheesy and ask them to do it in their own time. Like, let's not do those three things.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, but it can unlock. So if you've got a bit of sort of writer's block thinking around, right, how do I bring some of this opportunity to rest and recover? And you can't think of a solution, then I'm sometimes thinking of what's the worst thing I could do now, because sometimes unlock it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think that's such a good thing to do, isn't it? And I think that would link into my call to action law, is that I would consciously build in those intentional pauses, however they look in your calendar, um, is to have them and maybe put, I'm gonna rest as a radical act, pause for myself, whatever, but don't just not give it a title, I think, because otherwise people will override it. But sometimes if you're putting a statement in, um, a you know, a decent one, not one that's gonna send you to HR, but something that just makes sense. Hello, Mr.

SPEAKER_00:

Oxlong.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, don't put that in there. But if you're just going, you know, tiny intentional pause or a tip, um, people go, What's that all about? But it's enough to create that pause for them as well, because you've put something different, not just blacked it out as busy or do not disturb, but call it something because then people will go, What's that? Oh, that's different. So they're stopping for a moment to think about what it is you've written, which is a pause for them.

SPEAKER_00:

Love it, love it, love it. And of course the algorithms know this, so they know humans love a variety, things that are moving. So, you know, we've got some very clever social media tricks that are out there. We've almost got to sort of compete with that, you know. If working making work is sort of compelling and interesting.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, so uh, right, Debs, well, my share the secret. Love your uh call to action. So my say the secret share the secret would be if you've got a friend or a colleague who every time you said, How are you doing, and they say, busy, tired, haven't got room to stop at the moment, get them to listen to this because as the saying goes, if you haven't got time to meditate, it's time to meditate.

SPEAKER_01:

That's true.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so true. So true. And meditation might not be your thing, and hopefully, what we've uh kind of chatted through in this um episode is rest doesn't have to just be sitting there silently with lots and lots of time that it takes to recover. Actually, depending on what your body needs, it could just be a change is as good as a rest, mixing things up a little bit, yeah, reframing it. So rest is not a luxury, it's a radical act of uh oxygen, so it's a radical um life support of um service. Yeah, and um from a team point of view, sometimes just doing things a little bit differently, just breaking up the norm a little bit can send uh can recharge that human battery.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I love that. Yeah. So what are we doing next, next time, Law?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my god, Debs, I'm so excited. Okay, because it's one of those episodes that we are empowered to invest in a new notebook. Oh yes, yes, we are gonna get involved with a bit of AI, meets paper and pen, meets your um photo camera roll from your phone. We're gonna do it all. We are gonna do, in the spirit of a get ready with me. Okay, you're not gonna see me plaster on my lipstick and smear me eyeliner around. We're gonna do a get a reviewing with me. Right, okay. I'm up for it. Big old review. So this is a nice practice because I've got a couple of one-to-ones I'm doing with people. We're gonna do in a big end-of-year review. This will also work as a really good bit of um a companion piece if you know you want to sit there for half an hour and just do a nice bit of a review. So whether you're driving, walking, sitting there, we're gonna do a get reviewing with me.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, cannot wait, Lord. I get my notebook ready. Yes, see you later.

SPEAKER_00:

Have a fantastic week.

SPEAKER_01:

You too, lovely. Love.

SPEAKER_00:

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