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When people and technology come together, the potential is limitless. But while everyone is used to hearing about the revolutionary impact of tech, it can be easy to forget about the people behind it all. This podcast shines a light on the human side of innovation, as co-hosts Aaron Brooks and Heather Haskin explore and reframe our relationship to technology.
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Bonus: The Catalyst gets clear on Microsoft Generative AI – The business case
Businesses everywhere taking a good, hard look at Microsoft Generative AI are all wondering the same thing: is it really worth the hype? That's what we're here to find out.
On the inaugural episode of this brand-new miniseries courtesy of The Catalyst by Softchoice, host Braeden Banks and guest Jaime Waterfield, Director of Microsoft Category at Softchoice, explore the crucial beginnings of building a Copilot business case for Microsoft 365. Discover the best practices and potential pitfalls in planning your strategy and learn how to effectively generate buy-in and set the stage for success. Tune in to start your journey with a solid plan and get inspired to transform your business's digital landscape.
Featuring: Jaime Waterfield, Director of Microsoft Category at Softchoice
See how we can help you unleash the potential of your people and technology with Copilot: softchoice.com/microsoft-copilot
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<b>Over the last year, we've seen huge anticipation for Microsoft 365 Copilot.</b><b>And it's finally here.</b><b>For most organizations, the question isn't whether to adopt, but how and how fast.</b><b>Early adopters stand to gain the most, but moving ahead without a plan comes at its</b><b>own risks.</b><b>You're listening to The Catalyst Gets Clear on Copilot Adoption, a mini-series</b><b>hosted by Softchoice's Braeden Banks.</b><b>From building a business case,</b><b>to getting security, rollout and adoption right, we're going to help leaders like</b><b>you chart your best path forward.</b><b>It starts right here, right now.</b><b>On today's episode, we ask, how do you start planning for Copilot adoption?</b><b>If you're considering Copilot for Microsoft 365, you're far from alone these</b><b>days.</b><b>The first question you might ask is, how soon can we get started?</b><b>But perhaps the more important question is, how do we know this is going to pay off?</b><b>We know about Copilot's huge transformative potential, but there's more</b><b>to it than simply turning it on and watching the productivity gains roll in.</b><b>To get it right, you'll need a deep understanding of how your team works today</b><b>To get it right, you'll need a deep understanding of how your team works today</b><b>and all the ways they'll be able to transform tomorrow.</b><b>On today's episode, we'll be taking you through the best practices and potential</b><b>pitfalls</b><b>on the way to building a clear, compelling business case for Microsoft Copilot.</b><b>I'm sitting down with Jaime Waterfield, the Director of Microsoft Category at</b><b>Softchoice.</b><b>Jaime has been instrumental</b><b>in guiding our customers</b><b>through this game-changing</b><b>transformation and taking full</b><b>advantage of Generative AI.</b><b>She also happens to be a pro when it comes to spotting trends and aligning strategies</b><b>and use cases to technology and business demands.</b><b>Jaime, welcome to the show.</b><b>Heading into 2024, there's a huge amount of hype around Copilot.</b><b>The tool is amazing.</b><b>Its capabilities are unprecedented and there's a ton of interest out there in the</b><b>marketplace.</b><b>How does an organization go about the process of making sure that Copilot</b><b>lives up to that hype?</b><b>I think it's really important to take the appropriate time to think about</b><b>the different personas within your organization and their specific use cases.</b><b>We see a lot of companies just like, I'm going to get one or two</b><b>licenses and try this out in my IT department.</b><b>Well, one, IT works very differently than your sales organization, who works</b><b>differently than your marketing organization, who works differently than</b><b>your product team, who works differently than your finance, right?</b><b>So throughout your business, the use cases are different and the value they're going</b><b>to get out of Copilot is different.</b><b>Now, Copilot may not fit the full organization, but if you go too narrow,</b><b>then you're gonna dismiss it if you choose the wrong person or use case, like two</b><b>people in IT.</b><b>If you go too wide and say, okay, well, I'm gonna get everyone a license, but you</b><b>haven't defined specifically the use case for them or the outcome that you're</b><b>expecting,</b><b>then you're likely gonna be disappointed with the results.</b><b>So having clear idea of these personas because of these use cases, an idea of</b><b>then what outcomes you want, whether it's okay, it's gonna save them time or it's</b><b>going to improve the quality and then training, right?</b><b>So we talk about adoption and change management.</b><b>So giving them the right guidance</b><b>to ensure they're successfully positioned to maximize what the tool can do for them.</b><b>This is a new language that they have to learn, new prompting.</b><b>It's not natural to most people.</b><b>And so ensuring that community, those champions, the right training and guidance</b><b>to maximize.</b><b>So all of that has to be built upfront into your approach and into your business</b><b>case to allow this-</b><b>the right evaluation and ultimately then confidence as you further move forward in</b><b>that journey.</b><b>So Jaime, we understand the "why" behind approaching with a clear understanding of</b><b>the business case and the individual personas and use cases.</b><b>What's at risk for organizations who maybe skip that step, don't consider that, or</b><b>move ahead with Copilot without what we believe to be at the important planning</b><b>phase?</b><b>And have we seen any examples</b><b>of organizations just, you know, in our early work with Copilot where something</b><b>has gone wrong?</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>So, you know, if you're not doing the proper identification of the personas,</b><b>right?</b><b>The risk is I buy licenses for people,</b><b>and I mean, they're not, they're not the cheapest licenses, right?</b><b>and I give these people access and they don't use it,</b><b>or they try and they get frustrated with it,</b><b>and so they abandon it, right?</b><b>So obviously no one wants to spend money on something that's not gonna be used.</b><b>So that's certainly one risk.</b><b>Alternatively, if I provide access to the wrong people and expect to see a</b><b>particular outcome, or maybe it's the right people but they don't provide the</b><b>right support and training around it and I don't get the outcome, then I'm gonna make</b><b>a quick</b><b>decision around, okay, this isn't a fit for us without giving it the proper time</b><b>or the proper focus with the persona.</b><b>So, you know, we have seen people buying two licenses.</b><b>Well, I'm just going to try it out and decide if I want to expand it further.</b><b>That's probably not going to go very well because again, it's such a narrow look</b><b>into your business that you're not</b><b>going to have the right amount of data and support to further justify moving forward.</b><b>So, you know, we are seeing companies err on the side of buying less licenses,</b><b>thinking that, okay, I'm just going to test this out.</b><b>And then sitting here going, well, yeah, it's a neat tool, right?</b><b>But it's probably not a fit for us.</b><b>So they're missing out on the real benefits and the potential that they can</b><b>unlock</b><b>with the technology by taking that approach.</b><b>No, and I mean, it's great that you raise that word "potential" specifically.</b><b>And I mean, that point that one of the risks what I'm hearing is rushing that yes</b><b>or no decision on Copilot for the long term.</b><b>It sounds like what you're suggesting is it's easy, almost too easy for an</b><b>organization to rush the test and decide, hey, no, this isn't for us.</b><b>They're losing that competitive edge that all of the competition who are on</b><b>Copilot or similar Gen AI are getting.</b><b>So, no, that's a great point.</b><b>So we know that in the early stages, Copilot adoption can support measures</b><b>around optimization of processes, making workflows easier, better, leading up to</b><b>those productivity gains we've seen rewarded so often.</b><b>But how does an organization go about justifying that value and justifying that</b><b>investment in the long term beyond just 10%, 20 % more productive?</b><b>What does that look like?</b><b>Yeah, so there are a few other areas that you can take a look at.</b><b>One is inspiring creativity.</b><b>So Copilot is enabling fresh ideas.</b><b>It's giving alternative solutions.</b><b>So if you think about your product team or your marketing team, advertising team,</b><b>that creativity, that's valuable.</b><b>That has a competitive edge that has,</b><b>in a way, its own productivity gain, but in a different light because you're able</b><b>to think differently with the assistance of the tool itself.</b><b>You can also look at quality, quality of content produced.</b><b>Copilot can provide intelligence suggestions.</b><b>It can reduce errors.</b><b>And so that higher quality,</b><b>again is making you more reliable to your end customer.</b><b>It's putting you in a better light, could again give you a competitive advantage.</b><b>And then also the faster decision-making, being able to get more research, better</b><b>research at your fingertips is then enabling faster decision-making, which</b><b>could speed up a,</b><b>a product life cycle, right?</b><b>Again, different types of cost savings that are a bit more on the periphery of</b><b>productivity gains and more tangible to the business.</b><b>productivity gains and more tangible to the business.</b><b>So, Jaime, you've gone through how the ability of Copilot to enhance that</b><b>creativity and quality of outputs across a whole bunch of different use cases.</b><b>It makes a lot of sense to build into your business case, but to put yourself in the</b><b>shoes of someone, perhaps an IT leader or business leader who's in the process of</b><b>building that case themselves, how do they go about putting that on a PowerPoint</b><b>slide, so to speak?</b><b>Yeah, so again, this is why it's important to partner with different business</b><b>departments,</b><b>and look at those process flows, right?</b><b>You talked earlier about the benefits of AI improving process flows, right?</b><b>So if I'm say working with my product development team on their specific process</b><b>flows and where we expect some gains, then I might say, okay, their typical sprint or</b><b>cycle to developing on a new design or idea is</b><b>15 weeks and two of those weeks is spent on particular research.</b><b>And then we can say, all right, well, with Copilot, we expect to be able to cut</b><b>that in half.</b><b>And then that's gonna allow us to move to the next phase, which is design thinking.</b><b>And because of the creativity aspects here, I'm able to cut two days out of</b><b>that</b><b>life cycle and now instead of bringing a product to market in say 15 weeks, we're</b><b>able to bring this new product to market in 10 to 12 weeks.</b><b>What does that benefit me in terms of sales, in terms of competitive advantage?</b><b>So you can start at each step of the way to put some dollar value to that, right?</b><b>So depending on your business, taking a look at very specific departments, very</b><b>specific process and workflows,</b><b>and then the expected, time savings or, other benefits from, from the improvements</b><b>that Copilot is enabling.</b><b>You can put some hard dollars to that.</b><b>Right.</b><b>And it also reinforces that notion that, you know, this can't just be an IT or just</b><b>a technical decision, right?</b><b>Really understanding how this tool is going to show up in the daily, daily work</b><b>of everybody, who's going to touch it is just town amount to success.</b><b>And you can kind of see right away, you know,</b><b>failing to consider that would almost certainly lead to disaster or at least,</b><b>you know, wasted investment.</b><b>Absolutely.</b><b>Absolutely.</b><b>Beyond the productivity gains and the upticks we've already seen in Microsoft</b><b>studies and things like that about workers able to produce the same level of work</b><b>much faster, how does an organization justify the investment beyond just those</b><b>early productivity gains?</b><b>Yeah, so I think one of the big ones is the creativity, right?</b><b>So Copilot is inspiring creativity by providing fresh ideas and alternative</b><b>solutions.</b><b>So depending on your business, maybe you have a product team, right?</b><b>And so thinking through new product ideas.</b><b>Copilot can really help to inspire that creativity with your product team or with</b><b>your marketers.</b><b>That is going to result in faster to market perhaps or more unique fresh ideas</b><b>that are gonna be more marketable.</b><b>Also just the faster decision making.</b><b>because of the research capabilities of Copilot.</b><b>And then quality, which I think is different than a productivity game because</b><b>it's really ensuring that you're getting intelligent suggestions and reducing</b><b>errors so that quality of your content that's being produced is next level,</b><b>again, to help your competitiveness in the field or your reliability to the end</b><b>consumer.</b><b>Excellent.</b><b>Now let's take a bit of a reverse angle.</b><b>What about those cases where someone who sees the light and wants to get Copilot</b><b>moving, but faces a skeptical leadership team or maybe a board that's not seeing</b><b>that vision?</b><b>Do you have any advice for leaders in those positions?</b><b>Yeah.</b><b>I mean, obviously you've got your business case that we talked about earlier.</b><b>And so leaning into that business case and focusing on the long-term benefits.</b><b>So it's important to consider Copilot as an</b><b>investment for the long term.</b><b>it certainly is going to address immediate challenges like some immediate</b><b>productivity gains, but it's also preparing the organization for future</b><b>advancements in AI.</b><b>So looking at this as a stepping stone into understanding how AI can benefit,</b><b>your organization in the long term.</b><b>And, and then looking at those benefits that we mentioned earlier, like making you</b><b>more creative.</b><b>Higher quality, how is this helping you from a competitive standpoint?</b><b>So these would be considered long-term benefits.</b><b>And that's why it's important to understand the use cases and the personas,</b><b>right, that you can benefit from Copilot.</b><b>So choosing one department that you know is gonna have the greatest return based on</b><b>how they use the tools and where they have challenges today, that can help.</b><b>get through that skepticism and show some real hard results in a relatively quick</b><b>timeframe.</b><b>Amazing.</b><b>Copilot is great and it's built into just about everything within the Microsoft</b><b>technology stack.</b><b>But what about cases or use cases where there is a need for Generative AI, but</b><b>something more custom built on something like Azure OpenAI, for example, makes more</b><b>sense?</b><b>How does an organization make that determination as they're building the</b><b>business case?</b><b>Yeah, I mean, this isn't a new question, right?</b><b>It's that build something custom versus buying off the shelf and package, right?</b><b>There's obviously going to be pros and cons and limitations depending on which</b><b>way you go.</b><b>So for more complex use cases where I do need customization, I want more control,</b><b>then a custom-built Generative AI solution is probably going to be the</b><b>better choice for me.</b><b>I can train my own LLMs.</b><b>I can</b><b>have it work exactly the way that I need it for my business.</b><b>that investment is therefore going to be worthwhile.</b><b>Jaime, you know, after listening to our conversation this morning, what is, what</b><b>is the next thing that, anyone out there listening, who is in the process or</b><b>planning to begin the process of building that business case, what do you recommend</b><b>that they do next?</b><b>If they aren't sure where to start, right,</b><b>I'd recommend reaching out to Softchoice and having a conversation with, with our</b><b>specialists around understanding, okay, their business, their different users,</b><b>we can provide the guidance on, you know, where they could focus in. Our readiness</b><b>offerings, focus on all aspects, from the use cases and the personas to the adoption</b><b>and change management best practices.</b><b>So as you build that overall</b><b>plan for your business and start to put some estimates behind it.</b><b>We are prepared to guide you not just from our own experience, but the hundreds of</b><b>customers we've already spoken to and learned, have takeaways from.</b><b>Because you as a customer only are doing this once, right?</b><b>And we're doing this on a repeatable motion.</b><b>So we're able to provide those learnings into the experience and working alongside</b><b>you.</b><b>From there then, that will start to uncover</b><b>your technical dependencies and we can again hold your hand through that journey.</b><b>Alright, Jaime.</b><b>Thank you so much for your time.</b><b>Thank you.</b><b>It's a pleasure to be here.</b><b>Building a clear business case is step one on the flight path to success with Copilot</b><b>for Microsoft 365.</b><b>This process is all about getting clear on use cases, generating buy-in and</b><b>excitement, and charting all the steps between takeoff and your destination, a</b><b>fully AI-assisted workforce.</b><b>Well, that's a wrap for today.</b><b>On our next episode, we'll look into everything you need to know to assess your</b><b>readiness for Microsoft Copilot.</b><b>Until then, I'm your host, Braedon Banks.</b><b>Thank you for listening.</b><b>Imagine a world where your organization doesn't just follow AI trends, it leads</b><b>the way.</b><b>Softchoice is ready to help you build that world with Copilot for Microsoft 365.</b><b>Why Softchoice?</b><b>We help our customers navigate the whole Copilot journey with a proven consulting</b><b>framework, secure implementation experience, and deep certification in</b><b>Microsoft technology.</b><b>We know Microsoft better than anyone.</b><b>Every Copilot needs a navigator.</b><b>Softchoice is yours.</b><b>Visit softchoice.com/microsoft-copilot</b><b>to learn how we can help you</b><b>unleash the potential in your people and technology with Copilot.</b>