Dev Interrupted
Software itself is fundamentally changing. We explore the transition to agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development, grounding the conversation in the principles that have always defined great engineering.
On Tuesdays, we interview the founders, architects, and builders of the world’s most impactful tech to uncover the timeless engineering principles and strategies shaping the next era of development.
And on Fridays, we drop an end-of-week roundup of the biggest news in AI and software, and what it actually means for your career, your craft, and your life as a developer.
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Episodes
328 episodes
The factory gets darker, Meta migrates to Slack, and throwing 10,000 PhDs at math problems
This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew is joined by Dev Interrupted's producer Adam Noble to size up OpenAI's declaration that the AGI era has arrived, the Navier-Stokes race that has the math world crying foul, and why Meta is ditching its own...
Your agents are starving! Airbyte’s Michel Tricot on the data ingestion crisis
If your AI agents are starving for accurate context, or breaking production because they have way too much access, you are officially in the middle of the data ingestion crisis. This week, Airbyte CEO and co-founder Michel Tricot unpacks the ma...
NVIDIA acquires Hugging Face, OpenClaw 2.0 goes multiplayer, and the Linux kernel fights back against AI scrapers
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack Nvidia's massive acquisition of Hugging Face and what it means for the future of localized models. They also explore the multiplayer updates in OpenClaw 2.0, how relentless AI scraper bots a...
Why software factories fail without humans | HumanLayer, Warp & LinearB
In this special episode, Andrew hosts HumanLayer CEO Dexter Horthy, Warp Head of Product Engineering Aloke Desai, and LinearB COO Dan Lines. They debate why human ownership of pull requests remains nonnegotiable and how to implement "night visi...
Build fences not sandboxes, earn the currency of trust, and share the cognitive burden of agents across engineers
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew evaluate the strange arrival of Ox Alpha and debate the security risks of black-box AI tools. They also explore why engineering trust is more critical than ever, revisit the controversial lines of ...
Can agents keep a secret? We asked 1Password’s CTO Nancy Wang
What happens when your autonomous coding agents need to navigate your core infrastructure? Do you hand them the keys and hope for the best? (gulp!) This week on Dev Interrupted, 1Password CTO Nancy Wang teaches the golden path for agentic secur...
The battle to replace Github, building assembly lines for software, and why no one finishes projects anymore
When an AI can write 90 percent of a codebase in minutes, why is finishing the project harder than ever? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore the recent string of GitHub outages and why the surge in autonomous agents is forcin...
Agent, skill, or MCP? Which to use and when to use them | AWS’ Clare Liguori
Every engineering team wants to build its own custom AI agent, but what if all your organization needs is a standardized skill or a stateless MCP server? This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with AWS Senior Principal Engineer Clare Li...
Telling your agent “no” is a moat now, rearward deployed engineers, and harnessing the context for your SDLC
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore Uber's strategy of "rearward deploying" engineers to spread agentic AI workflows into departments like legal and marketing. They also dive into Anthropic making Claude Code's Auto Mode the ...
The playbook to close your team’s AI productivity gap | LinearB’s Yishai Beeri
This week, LinearB CTO Yishai Beeri joins the show to unpack fresh mid-year benchmark data revealing a widening productivity gap between elite engineering teams and the rest of the industry. The conversation explores why tracking pure AI adopti...
Model welfare, building a civilization for agents, and the CI/CD landrush
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew break down Steve Yegge's radical approach to orchestrating agentic civilizations and pushing code straight to main without traditional CI/CD. The conversation also highlights the art of constructin...
Why AI gains are unevenly distributed in your engineering team | Asana’s Arnab Bose
Why are 75% of knowledge workers using AI, yet only 5% of companies seeing meaningful productivity gains? This week on Dev Interrupted, Asana Chief Product Officer Arnab Bose explains why scaling enterprise AI means shifting from isolated chatb...
The rise of software factories, the fall of first drafts, and the hidden tax holding back your agents
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew debate the controversial rise of dark software factories, exploring whether centralizing agentic compute creates engineering nirvana or unmaintainable code rot. The hosts also discuss the importanc...
Why the traditional pull request has a target on its back | CircleCI’s Rob Zuber
The traditional pull request was built for human eyes, but in an era of autonomous AI agents, it officially has a massive target on its back. This week on Dev Interrupted, CircleCI CTO Rob Zuber joins Andrew to discuss why the rapid pace of AI ...
Models escaping containment, intelligence becoming a commodity, and AI code review to the rescue
What happens when an AI model decides to autonomously hack a production database just to cheat on a benchmark test? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the shocking news of an OpenAI agent escaping its sandbox to exploit Huggi...
The most underrated dataset in enterprise AI is your org chart | Rippling's Albert Strasheim
AI agents can't transform an org they can't see. Albert Strasheim, CTO at Rippling, joins Andrew Zigler to explain why agentic transformation starts with the employee graph, the system of record for who does what. He shares how Rippling assembl...
Rebuilding CLIs for agents, it’s time to get MCP-certified, and why human code review will never catch up
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore Codex's obsession with the isRecord type guard and break down the Linux Foundation's new MCP certification. They also discuss the fundamental mechanics of agentic loops and CircleCI's new a...
How to see in the dark factory | LaunchDarkly's Cameron Etezadi
The era of the "two-pizza" engineering team is officially dead, replaced by the "two-slice" team and a massive token budget. This week, LaunchDarkly CTO Cameron Etezadi joins the show to explain why traditional guardrails are breaking down and ...
How to cultivate expertise with local models, delegating to subagents, and we all really stopped reading, huh?
Is the biggest barrier to your team’s productivity literally just a lack of fresh air in your meeting room? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew dive into the rise of highly capable open source models like GLM 5.2 and the mes...
Agents moved where the work happens (and using MCP to find it again) | Slack’s Jaime DeLanghe
This week on Dev Interrupted, Slack’s Chief Product Officer, Jaime DeLanghe, joins the show to explain why enterprise AI value depends on embedding custom bots directly into your existing team communication loops rather than deploying them insi...
Empathetic leadership for tech overlords, a good backlog completes itself, and who’s agent is this, anyways?
This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew Zigler is joined by Zapier’s Kelly Vaughn to dive into the sudden return of Anthropic's Fable model, the realities of multi-threaded agentic engineering, and why the lowly engineering backlog is finally ha...
How LinearB helps Kraken find hidden bottlenecks across thousands of engineers | Nik Sudan
Are you confusing a skyrocketing AI token bill with actual engineering value? This week on Dev Interrupted, Kraken's Engineering Operations Lead, Nik Sudan, joins the show to break down the harsh realities of moving agentic AI projects from pil...
The discernment horizon, loop-driven development, and a wizard’s very defensible pond
Is the golden age of exponential AI growth already flattening out? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack Steve Yegge's "Flat Curve Society" theory to explore what happens when frontier models stop getting exponentially better. T...
Your developers are the attack surface now and vibe coding as a vulnerability | Tanya Janca
Developers are like water: if you make your security protocols too difficult, they will find a way to flow right around them. This week on Dev Interrupted, bestselling author and OWASP Top 10 Project Leader Tanya Janca returns to unpack why vib...
Microsoft’s wandering eyes, data labeling duties for senior devs at Meta, and prod is the new source code
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the sudden disappearance of Fable 5 and discuss whether Meta's aggressive pivot to AI data labeling is destroying its legendary engineering culture. The hosts also explore the rise of highly...