If You Cannot Release A Thought You Are Stuck - Sora Vernikoff - S6E7

Food can be the loudest voice in your head, even when you are not hungry. We sit down with best-selling author Sora Vernikoff, who healed her own compulsive overeating and built a no-diet weight loss program around one core skill: learning how to eat and stop. If you are tired of binge eating, yo-yo dieting, and that constant “what’s next to eat” loop, this conversation offers a different path that focuses on behavior change rather than deprivation.

We dig into Sora’s framework for why overeating and overthinking often feel identical: both are driven by repeating thoughts you do not feel able to release. She breaks down the role of the subconscious mind, why willpower alone keeps failing, and how calming food thoughts can free up the strength to handle the uncomfortable feelings you have been trying to escape. If you have ever felt stuck in a mental replay, whether it’s donuts in the kitchen or a fight you cannot stop rehashing, you will recognize yourself here.

Sora also teaches a practical technique you can test immediately: the Green Technique. You ask “How much is enough?” and “How much is too much?” before you eat, then you set aside a clear “marker” amount you do not touch. That one move changes the moment from automatic eating to intentional portion control, while still allowing the foods you love. We also cover why diets so often backfire, how rigid rules can trigger binges, and where to find Sora’s tools at nodieting.net and OverthinkersCoach.com.

If this helps, subscribe, share the episode with a friend who feels stuck, and leave a review so more people can find real-world support for overeating, overthinking, and sustainable weight loss.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey, I'm Coach Mickey, and I'm so glad that you've joined us. And if this is your first time joining us, come on in and make yourself comfortable. And for those of you that join us on a regular basis, we are so glad that you do. And we are excited to have you, just as we are with any of our guests.

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:15

And uh, if you would like to leave some comments, com suggestions, or you have questions, please feel free to do so. I love reading through them. I love seeing what you guys have said in regards to our guests, and I love the fact that you support them. And I appreciate each and every one of you uh that visit and stop by from all over the world. And today I'm really excited because I had an opportunity to meet this woman, and she she's got a a book and a subject that's very dear to my heart. Because if you've listened to any of my podcasts, you have heard us speak about overthinking, overeating, and I guess overdoing on many occasions. So I'm excited to have her here with us because she is uh she is a coach that has healed herself with compulsive overeating, develop an easy way to use eat and stop with no dieting weight loss program, and she has written a best-selling and award-winning book titled Eat When You Want, Stop When You Want. Uh, No Diet Weight Loss Management Program. Uh Sora Vernakoff, how are you today? I'm so glad you're here with us.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Oh, I'm great, Coach McInne. It's a pleasure to be on your show. So thank you for inviting me.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Yeah, I'm glad to have you here. And I think this is a subject that a lot of us struggle with because we are so accustomed to dieting. It's like everybody thinks that you have to uh do a certain way on our, you know, for a short period of time, and then that's the magic answer. And we both know that's not that's not true, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

It's not even a shortlist answer, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Yeah, yeah. So tell me about how you got started in this.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

My gosh, it goes back decades. I used to teach really tough kids in Brooklyn, and um, they were really tough, and it took me years to figure out how to manage them. But after about five years, I figured out how to manage them. And one day I stood in front of my fourth grade class

How A Teacher Beat Food Obsession

SPEAKER_01 2:12

in in a Brooklyn inner city school, and I said, Sora, and I was always dieting. I went, Sora, how can these kids who walk, talk, and do all those other things listen to you? But food has no animate qualities. You can't stop thinking about it and you can't stop eating. Well, that became an amazing thought to me. These kids were so bad. They listened to me, but food is like didn't walk, didn't talk, and I couldn't stop thinking about it and I couldn't stop eating. At that moment, um, I thought, what if I could vacuum out all the extra times a day I thought about food? What would I think about? How would that change my life? And then could I help others? And so I decided to stop dieting that day and to eat whatever foods I wanted. But there was a caveat, and the caveat was that I was going to journal every eating experience, regardless, to find out why your brain thought about food all day. Well, I did that, and I lost about uh 40 pounds, which I've kept off since 82. And then I knew the day I reached my goal that I could transfer my classroom management techniques to um food management techniques, and that's what I did, and I developed an easy-to-use eat and stop yourself, no diet weight loss program where you can eat any food that you want in this world and know when you're gonna stop yourself before you even eat it. And that was my goal for myself to be able to eat and stop. I was obsessed.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

And I and what I was telling you before, um, I'm gonna tell you firsthand, even from my own experience, I have struggled with overeating uh and and binge eating. And uh you're right, it it's never left my mind. It constantly was the forefront of my thoughts was food. And and I learned over the years and the time that I was using food as a coping mechanism, you know, to replace things. And it was more emotional eating than it was, I mean, besides being a habit. Uh, but what did you what did you feel yours was, or what did you discover why you were always thinking about food?

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Well, you know, Coach Mickey, I'm not the expert on why I use food, although there are definite emotional reasons, but I wasn't I wasn't interested in that. I was uh interested in the behavioral component of it, why I could not eat and stop as a behavior. You know, I'm all about behavior. So here I have these tough kids in my class who threw chairs, hung themselves in the class, but ultimately I got them to a calm state of calm. But if I could do that with them, I thought, let me do it with me. Let me stop, learn how to eat and stop. So I saw what caused me to overeat. Once I saw it, I was able to develop the program. Now, of course, it's to cope with uncomfortable feelings, but honestly, that doesn't interest me because once you learn how to eat and stop, what happens is you calm your mind down. And the problems that are troubling you, you have more strength to deal with. So instead of going to food, you're able to sit with the discomfort of the problems that are driving you to eat because you don't want to feel what you don't want to feel. And that, but first you have to learn how to eat and stop. You can't heal yourself without first controlling the behavior.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Yeah, that is true. And and I think again, now how much do you contribute to the this uh not being able to stop as a habit compared to just uh like you said, what you were doing, or was that what they call they correlate together, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Well, here's the thing. So I want to make this as easy as possible. You know, there are two parts to your mind, your subconscious and your conscious. And your subconscious, which is dark and off limits to you, is 95% of the thoughts that come down. Your consciousness is only 5%.

Subconscious Wiring Behind Overeating

SPEAKER_01 6:05

The reason you're an overeater is because you can't. Now I want your listeners to pretend that connecting the subconscious with the conscious, there's an elevate, an escalator. And your thoughts, your extra food thoughts come from the unknown, take the escalator down and come into your consciousness. And when they arrive, you can't you can't stop them. So what I did was I figured out a way to stop them and then to release them. So um, you can't fix overeating unless you do my program because you don't have control over your subconscious. And this program lets you control your subconscious, which is almost unheard of. So as soon as you start overthinking food and you use my program, you can stop the visual repetition, which you otherwise cannot stop, because it's it's a subconting. It's the way you're wired. It's seriously just the way you're wired, and there's nothing else you can do about it. That's what drugs do. You know, when you take drugs for weight loss, they stop the um, they stop the wiring, they stop the um the synapses from sending out all these signals. But my program lets you stop those signals without the medication. But you've got to control your subconscious consciously, and my program gives you that awareness and lets you do that because it's all from your subconscious, it has nothing to do with food. Food is just the object that you overthink that you then put in your mouth. It starts with a thought. Overeating is a thought, it's not having the choice to let that overthought thought go of the piece of cake. You cannot. There's just no way. Because then, you know, it's not about free will. You can't control your subconscious.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Now I know you've got another program, it's called Think and Stop Yourself Positive Positivity Program. And that sounds like kind of correlates exactly with what you're talking about, too. I mean, don't they just kind of go hand in hand with your programs? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

You know, Coach Mickey, what I discovered is that overeating and overthinking are the same. They're caused by thoughts that you don't have the choice to let go. And when you don't have the choice to let a, let's say, what is a positive thinker? A positive thinker has a negative thought. But when that negative thought comes down, he's able to release it. You know, I don't really want to think about this today. And he goes on with his day. But a negative thinker or an overthinker, they don't have the choice to release that thought. And that's why they keep repeating it. It's like a movie where they keep repeating the same frame. So whether you overeat or overthink, it's all the same. It's all the same. That's what brings me great joy that I've discovered that. You know, and it's all in my second book. But, you know, it's all the same because you can't stop the visual repetition, because you can stop the firings of your subconscious. So the programs I develop give you the choice when the thought comes down and you start overthinking, you're immediately able to stop it. And then you have the choice to release it. And I'm very excited.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

I had an opportunity to visit your website, and I love you have got questions on here where people can go to your website and determine, you know, are you an overthinker? And I was looking at, you know, your questions that you have listed, and it's pretty awesome. It's pretty exciting because it really does get right to the point for people to identify, you know, whether they are or not. And I can see how you can take that information and then help them work with what they already have based on the questions that you've asked here. So, and I'm I'm gonna lead with that, and I'm gonna let you kind of fill in uh with our listeners about what are some of the questions that they you can ask right now to determine, are you an overthinker? Do you want me to go through them on your website or is this something you'd like to share?

SPEAKER_01 9:47

No, I if you don't have the choice, when a negative thought comes No, because it's very simple. When that thought comes and you identify it as disturbing, if you don't have the choice to release that thought, you're an overthinker. So if you find if you f if you think like if the donuts are in the box and you can't stop, you have one, have another, have another, you're an overthinker. You're a food thought overthinker. But if you have a fight with your girlfriend and you keep playing out these scenarios and you keep thinking it's your fault, you're an overthinker. It's it's not really hard. It's just when you feel stuck in thought, stuck means you can't escape. That's what overthinking is. Like there's no escape, and it overtakes you, and you feel bad, and and you don't know what to do because you can't get out. No, no, no, you can get out. Thank God.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

So give us an idea. So someone who does have this, where they are an overthinker and an overeater, uh, no, give us an idea. Like if people were gonna reach out to you, what would your program entail that would be able to help them?

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Oh, sure. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna quickly teach you how to use one of the techniques in my no diet weight loss program. Does that work for you?

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Okay, so I'm gonna teach um your listeners how to use the green technique. So what I found, and

The Green Technique For Stopping

SPEAKER_01 11:12

it's all in my book, is that the reason you think more about food a day than a non-overeater is that because nothing you eat is enough. Because think about it. If you think about food all a person who has enough money, do they think about money all day? No. They just um think about maybe what they have to put in the bank that week and then they move on in their life. But a person that doesn't have enough money, they're gonna think about money all the time. Okay. Well, what I found out is the reason I was an overeater is because no amount of food that I ate was enough. And so I just kept eating and eating and eating because nothing was enough. Those pictures kept coming, and as a result, nothing was enough. So what I did is I developed a technique that lets you know how much is enough before you actually eat. And this is how it goes. I want everybody to raise up their pointed finger on either hand, whatever's comfortable for you. And I want you to pretend that it's a slice of pizza. So, in this program, using the green technique, look at the piece of pizza, and I want you to ask yourself two questions. How much is enough and how much is too much? So I want all your listeners to ask themselves that question now, and I want you to keep those two amounts in mind. Then I want you to pretend to eat the amount that's enough, but never the other amount that's too much called your marker. So you all right, so let's pretend to eat the amount that you decided was enough. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Now I want you to look at your marker. That's the amount that you physically separated and didn't eat. Well, you just ate and stopped that pizza. Why? Because before you ate, you decided how much was enough. And the marker lets you know that you could eat and stop yourself because you had enough. So once you learn how to ask, once you learn how to ask yourself how much is enough and how much is too much, and you separate those two amounts, then you eat the amount that's enough, but not the marker, because the marker in this program lets you know that you ate and stopped. Now, let's say you're not in my program and that slice of pizza is in front of you. Because the program says that by definition, nothing you eat is enough as an overeater. Well, you're not going to be able to stop. You're going to have one slice of pizza. Well, maybe I want more. Did you ever decide how much was enough? No. So the green technique lets you decide how much is enough, how much is too much, and then separate the two, eat the amount that's enough, and then leave over your mark. Now you might say, hey, but Sora, what if I want more from the marker? What if it's I left over half the pizza and I still want more? I'd say, sure, you do the same thing. How much is enough? How much is too much? Separate the two pieces, leave over a marker, and then eat part of the other half. No marker, no control. And that's how the green technique works. And you see that?

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Yeah, I do. And I I see how you could use that really with any food, whether it was a bag of chips or something.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Exactly, exactly. As a matter of fact, it's just the same. Um, my uh positivity program is exactly the same, but because we're not dealing with food, it's just done differently. But it's the same thing, you know, and and if the people I think that are the most happy um know how to release negative and self-doubting thoughts, that when it comes, instead of it enveloping them and controlling them and repeating themselves, they have make they have tools in place where they can release it. But I also have to share that it has to do with your wiring, you know, it has to do with your wiring. So there's no real conscious way to control your wiring unless you control your subconscious. And both my programs allow you to control your subconscious when you overthink thoughts, whether food or not. That's why it I love them.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

No, it's it's really great. And it is something that's needed because I think a lot of times we we eat, you know, again, we use we have food, whether we're bored or whatever, and you're right. And it's people like, I but dieting just doesn't work, you know. It's never it never fixed, like you said. We and see, I don't like diet because it's always feels like it's deprivation, you know, and and that's we know that that's not the way to do it because when you're depriving yourself, you at some point you're gonna bounce back and now you're gonna try to make up for what you've lost. But we're program gives you an opportunity to still eat what you want without over without overindulging.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Well, right, but not just have whatever listen, have whatever food you want, use the green technique, learn to eat and stop, learn to know that you can satisfy yourself. Do you I'd like to share with your listeners uh why diets don't work? Is is do we have time for that? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Go ahead. Okay, so I want your listeners to think of uh a diet as a clock. Let's start at 12 o'clock. You decide for whatever personal reason that you want to

Using A Marker With Real Foods

SPEAKER_01 16:18

lose weight. So you go on on the internet, there's like 150 diets. And like I like to say, if if diets work, why would you need so many? So, what is a diet? A diet is a group of rules created by basically three people: a marketer, a psychologist, and a nutritionist. They decide, look, you can't, they're customer, they you can't control yourself. You can't eat and stock. So we're gonna tell you exactly what to eat and exactly how much to have because we're gonna take the thinking out of it. So you pick a diet because you want to let your weight go to get healthy, to go on a cruise, whatever it is. Now let's go to three o'clock, Coach Mickey. Three o'clock. I'm good, good, good. Yay! I'm being a good person because I'm following the rules of the diet. The rules, Coach Mickey, that other people made. So now let's go to six o'clock. Oh, I can't take it anymore. I need another slice of bread, I need another slice of cheese. I'm only gonna have three Oreos, and then I know I can stop. So, what happens? You go through the bag of Oreos, you have a couple of slices of bread and cheese, and then you beat yourself up. Look what I just did. Oh my God, uh look what I just did. I I'm just not a good person. I I just have no willpower. But here's the here's the bottom line that when you binge on a diet, what you're really doing is taking back the control from the three people in the room that made up the diet at three o'clock. So you're really doing when you binge on a diet, you're really only doing what you have to do to get back the control. So it's not a bad thing because it's like you're not listening to the government, you know, you do what you want. So instead, so what happens is that diet binging is a is a two-sided affair. You've got the part of you that wants to binge and get the control back from the diet because you feel out of control and rightly so. And then you beat yourself up. So what do you do, Coach Mickey? Nine o'clock, you go, well, obviously, I have no willpower. So let's go to nine o'clock. I'm going back on the diet, and you go back on the diet knowing full well that there's another binge on the way. And I like to say that diets don't work because they're not your rules. They're just not your rules. They're other people deciding what you should eat, how much you should eat, and in some cases, when to eat what. I say

Why Diets Create Binges

SPEAKER_01 18:44

no. I say you can eat whatever you want. There's no, you know, bylaws that say you can, but you need to know how to eat and stop. So I'm very obsessed with behavioral management of knowing how to eat and stop, because that's what's going to bring you peace. You're not going to fight your food thoughts. You're going to have enough of the food that you want, and you're going to find out that you're fine.

unknown 19:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

No, it makes sense. It really does. And I think a lot of times is people will eat, like you said, before you know it, you've eaten a whole bag of or a whole sleeve of Oreo cookies, you know, or you've you've downed a half a cheesecake. And the reality is, is that from what you're saying and what I'm hearing is that when you determine what is enough, just so you can be satisfied to have that taste, you're putting yourself in control of what you want to eat and how much you're going to eat of it and still be able to enjoy it without feeling guilty and move and keep going on with no control.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

You're in total control, Coach Mickey, but you must leave over, you must set aside a marker before you eat. If you don't have a marker, then you're pre-programmed eating and you're out of control. Because what keeps you out of control, what keeps you out of control is that nothing is enough and you don't know how much is enough. But let's say that bag of Oreos is in front of you and you're doing my program. What you do is you say, okay, how many Oreos are enough? You say, okay, five. You take five out of the bag, you put the bag away, and then again you say, how much is enough and how much too much? And if you want the five Oreos, you have to scratch under your fingernail, you have to take off your marker. The marker rules, the marker is God, the marker is what puts you in control for a couple of reasons. One, you're giving yourself enough. What a beautiful thing to know, Coach McKee, that you can have enough of the Oreos without feeling deprived.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Okay, it's all and you have total control. And um, and that's how it goes. Because if you don't do this program and you diet or you starve yourself, or you do all those other things. Oh my goodness, you have no management over your God-given food thoughts. Of course you're miserable.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Yeah. Now it makes sense. And and again, well, everybody that does diet usually ends up being miserable and then they yo-yo. They they come off of it. They usually end up gaining back all the weight or their health suffers because they haven't got, like you said, they haven't mentally put themselves in the right, like you said, thought process to be able to control food with for themselves to live a can you know an always a healthy lifestyle. And a lot of times it's not even about the losing weight, it's about your health, too. And and before we go any further, how can people find you that are listening? Where can where can they reach out to you and find you?

SPEAKER_01 21:31

My website's www.nodieting.net.

Making Your Own Food Rules

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Um, and there's a link where you can buy my book. It's a workbook that teaches you exactly how to eat and stop. You know, I was an educator for over 30 years. It's very simple, simple instructions. And anyone who reads the book, if they tell me in the subject line, they read the book and they contact me, I'll answer any questions for them. And my new book, Think uh Think What You Want, Stop When You Want, the Positivity Management Program, that will be

Where To Find Help And Tools

SPEAKER_01 21:58

out in about a year, but that's going Teach you how to immediately release any negative or self-doubting thoughts, even if it's attached to a behavior like smoking. Because at the end of the day, what I really want your audience to understand is that it's all the same. It's it's the inability to release the thought that you feel stuck in when it arrives. And either one of my programs allows you to address it whether it's food or not food, because it's all about conscious management of the unmanageable.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Yeah, and you're right. I mean, it really applies to anything. Like we're using food as an example, but I mean, I think anything that you're overindulging in, you could actually apply what you're what you were coming.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Exactly. I mean, in my book, I give an example of an actress. And every time she went for an audition, she didn't think she was good enough. So we took, we figured out how to deal with that. Then I I in the book I talk about procrastination. And there was a guy that I worked with, um, he was a photographer, but he was always late in getting his projects in. We figured, you know, the program allowed him to work that out in a very easy way. And I was a smoker, and um, I used the program to stop smoking, and I haven't smoked in decades. But so, you know, here's what I want to say. Whatever your problem is in this world, and there certainly is enough to choose from, um, unless you have a way of coping with negative thoughts or too many food thoughts, they're gonna take over your brain. And you why should you steal your most precious gift from God, which is your present moment? When you overthink, you steal from your past, you worry about the future, and then you're not even present. And then you go through your whole life overthinking, being in the past, being in the future, and you steal the most important thing, which is the present of the now. So I'm all about management.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Yeah, and they and you're right. And that's again, it goes back to being in control of your choices, what you're doing, you know, and knowing that you've got this. Because a lot of yeah, I think a lot of people feel like they're out of control and they don't know what to do and they don't they don't know the first step of how to deal with it.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

Well, you know, um, if anyone's if people want to sign up on my on my Overthinkers website, um, they can go to Overthinkerscoach.com, sign up for my monthly newsletter called Your Make Peace with Your Food newsletter, and then they'll know when my new book is out. But there's always hope. You know, my mom makes you rest in peace, said, Well, there's like this hope. I mean, I figured it out. Okay, it took decades, but I figured it out, and my programs work. Um, there's lots of testimony on the weight loss site, no dieting.net. There's lots of testimony on overthinkerscoach.com. No one is helpless unless they choose to be. You know, I I want to repeat that. No one is helpless unless they choose to be, but there's always a way. I mean, anyone listening to this podcast now has a way. So they can contact me, they can contact you and get my information. But I'm all about figuring it out. You gotta figure it out. And there's tons of stuff out there, except mine's great.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

No, and you're right. And you know what, and it what you have to offer and what you're doing is definitely going to help a lot of people because again, I hear it over and over again, and it's always the same thing. I don't know where to start. That is what's said every time, whether it's with friends, whether it's been with family, or just you just hear in general, people like, oh, you know, I I've been doing this or I'm doing that, and it's not working, and it's like, I don't know what to do, I don't know where to start. Because you're right, they're doing the exact same thing over and over and over, expecting different results. And that's the right.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

It's like they say on Facebook. If you want to, you know, uh, if you feel like a tree and you feel, you know, like if you want to change the channel on TV, you change it, you get you take the remote and you change it. You see, here's the thing, um, Coach Mickey. Change, change is a process. And I'm not saying it's easy, but you need to make a decision sometime in life where you have to really ask yourself, do I want to stay stuck where I am?

Overthinking Beyond Food And Habits

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Or am I willing to do what it takes to move forward? And that's a really big decision. You know, you can stay stuck, comfortable, and out of control, or you can say, hey, I heard about this, I'm gonna give it a shot and we'll see how it goes. But really, it is a conscious decision. You know, when people complain all the time about their problem, it's just that they don't want to change.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Yeah, yeah. And that is true. And you're right, it's because they'd rather just complain about it or are not and not, like you said, they're not gonna make the change. But those that seriously really want to do it, and I and I I highly recommend that you reach out to Sora because you guys that have listened to my podcast for the past six years, and and many of you commented or you sent me information, you know, on how you struggle with either eating or other habits or other things. And and I think reaching out to her and getting a different perspective, a different way, something that can allow you to be in control without feeling like you're doing the exact same thing, it's really going to be beneficial. Because if you know everything else you've done has not worked, or you keep sliding back to exactly where you were before, then what have you got to lose? You know, you have an opportunity to try something completely different with different results. And that's why I was really excited to have you on because I've seen this time and time again, and you've got a different perspective, a different point of view that can bring uh other information and insight to people that struggle with all of this stuff on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Well, you know, I like what you say. Be flawless, be flawed, be you. Look, we all have challenges, and I work my programs every day. I can't even imagine where I'd be in my life if I didn't have my programs. I was the queen of overthinking. Do you think I did all this work because I was okay?

unknown 27:53

No.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

No, I was not okay. You know, I was not okay, but I've worked my ASS off literally and figuratively. And um, and and I'm very thrilled to have the opportunity to help other folks do the same because you're not hopeless, you're not lost. All you haven't done is found the right tools to use. And I offer them, but again, it's up to you. You know, as a school teacher, I learned very early on you can only take a horse to water, you can't make them drink. So, Coach Mickey, you're offering your listeners um very new information, interesting information. Now they will listen to this and they will say, Oh, this sounds interesting. And some people might actually visit my website and take action, and then others won't. And that's okay, that's where they are. I've learned to that people need to be where they are. Nobody can be changed. They have to want to change themselves, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

And you're right. But here's the beauty of this with my podcast, and I have found this because I again I've had the syndicate for so many years. I still have guests that I've had in the past reach out to me and say, Oh my gosh, somebody new listened to my podcast I did with you three years ago, and I was able to help them. So whether the timing is right for somebody right now, they may listen to this and then it may click. It's planting a seed. They may come back

Choosing Change And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_00 29:21

in another year, they may come back in two years and say, you know what, I'm ready to do this. The the value of this is that you're here, you've had an opportunity to share your information, and we could get it out to be able to help people. And that to me, I think is the most important thing because whether they start it now or not, they're still gonna find that they have that information available when they're ready. And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you the last two minutes, Sora, to to add anything you'd like to add.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Oh my, I could talk forever, so two minutes, okay. Um well, here's how I ended my here's how I ended my first book. Inch by inch, anything's a cinch, yard by yard, life is hard. So wherever you're stationed today, whether you want to change, don't want to change, it's just a thought in your line of thoughts. Like Coach Mickey said, in two years you may think about this and change. Or you may never change, but you know, it's okay. You have to be ready to do the work and to take that leap of faith and to hold a vision and trust the process. You know, I'm all about you hold the vision and trust the process. If you see yourself as a thinner, healthier person and you heard me speak, go to my website, hold the vision, trust the process. If you're an overthinker and really upset about that, go to overthinkerscoach.com, sign up for my newsletter, hold the vision, trust the process. Because if you stay focused on the vision and trust the process, you reach over time. And the last thing I want to leave is this thought. Thoughts are like clouds that will come and go. It's how you manage the weather that counts. So it's not the thoughts that arrive per se, it's how you manage them. And I offer two management programs, one for food and one for negative thinking. But the choice is up to you.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Well, thank you so much, Sora, for being with us today. And thank you for doing what you do.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Ah, you're welcome. I love what I do. I I feel very passionate about knowing that um there is a way people can help themselves. And I'm very, very happy about that.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

I can hear it in your voice. So I want to thank you for being here. I want to thank for those of you that have joined us today uh for taking the time to listen to the insight and please reach out to Sora. I mean, even if it's something that you're like, okay, you know what, maybe I am I an Omer thinker, or have I been overeating, or you know what, it's something maybe you haven't even thought this could be something different, give it a try. You know, I look at it, you it's you got one life to live. You might as well give it a shot to live your happiest and healthiest life. And whatever program you're gonna need to get you there, you really need to take that chance and and and do it. So until we get an opportunity to meet again, I am so glad that you've joined us. And I will look forward to seeing you. And remember, the most courageous thing you can do is be yourself. And until our next podcast, see ya.