As I Live and Grieve®
It’s time for grief to come out of the basement, or wherever we have stuffed it to avoid talking about it. When you suffer a loss you need support, comfort, and a safe place to heal. What you are experiencing is painful but normal, unique but similar, surreal but very, very real. As grief advocates we understand and want to provide support, knowledge and comfort as you continue to live and grieve. Host, Kathy Gleason; Producer, Kelly Keck. www.asiliveandgrieve.com
As I Live and Grieve®
When the Ocean Takes Back the Glass
Use Left/Right to seek, Home/End to jump to start or end. Hold shift to jump forward or backward.
Death isn't the end—it's a transformation. What if our consciousness is like a glass of ocean water that, when poured back into the sea, becomes one with its source again? This profound conversation with Michael Hirshorne, author of "Taking a Chance on Life," challenges our understanding of what happens when we die and how we might maintain connections with loved ones who have passed on.
Michael shares his remarkable journey from a 30-year career as an analytical accountant to becoming a spiritual explorer seeking answers about life, death, and what lies beyond. Drawing on Einstein's principle that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed, he presents a compelling case for consciousness continuing after physical death.
The discussion bridges the gap between science and spirituality, suggesting that quantum physics might help explain metaphysical phenomena. For those who struggle with skepticism yet long for connection with departed loved ones, this episode provides both comfort and practical guidance. Michael recommends several resources, including Anita Moorjani's "Dying to Be Me" and his own book, which explores these concepts further.
Whether you're seeking ways to communicate with someone you've lost or simply curious about what might await us all beyond this life, this conversation will leave you with new perspectives to consider. As Kathy notes, sometimes the most profound connections happen when we stop analyzing and simply remain open to receiving them.
Contact:
www.asiliveandgrieve.com
info@asiliveandgrieve.com
Facebook: As I Live and Grieve
Instagram: @asiliveandgrieve
YouTube: asiliveandgrieve
TikTok: @asiliveandgrieve
To Reach Michael:
Website: https://heaveniswithin.com/
Credits:
Music by Kevin MacLeod
Copyright 2020, by As I Live and Grieve
The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent.
Welcome to "As I Live and Grieve"
Speaker 1Welcome to as I Live and Grieve, a podcast that tells the truth about how hard this is. We're glad you joined us today. We know how hard it is to lose someone you love and how well-intentioned friends and family try so hard to comfort us. We created this podcast to provide you with comfort, knowledge and support. We are grief advocates, not professionals, not licensed therapists. We are you.
Speaker 2Hi everyone, Welcome back again to another episode of as I Live and Grieve. Thanks again for tuning in, for putting on your earbuds or whatever. Most of you, I think, are listening on a mobile device and I don't know if that means that you're on the move, walking the dog, taking your kids to a sports activity or to dance, or maybe you're just crashing for the day in a tub of oh bubbles. Oh, that sounds so soothing, doesn't it? Well, another great guest today. Before I start thinking about a tub full of bubbles, my guest today is Michael Hirshhorn. You're going to love him, the conversation is going to be great and Kelly's also here with me. Hey, Kelly, hey Hi and Michael, thanks so much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 3Well, thank you for having me. Kathy, it's a pleasure to be on your podcast. I'm looking forward to greeting your listeners and speaking a little bit about as I Live and Breathe.
Speaker 2And I have so many questions that I know you can answer. I know we won't have time for all of them, but we'll give them what we can. So to get us started, would you just tell our listeners just a little bit about you? Who is Michael?
Meet Michael Hirshhorn
Speaker 3I, of course, will tell our listeners that. Who is Michael? Michael is a very varied and complicated individual who started off fairly mundane in a black and white world of accounting in my early 20s. It actually started in Wang Laboratories, which was, at the time, the computer big shot in-pen. If you will. Ibm and Wang were the big shots. I just graduated from University of Delaware in the 80s. I'm dating myself a little bit, but I had graduated from there and I went into the wide world of computers and, from there, joined a telecommunications company and started with accounting and continued that path for many years about 29, 30 years. For many years about 29, 30 years, actually exactly 30 years.
Speaker 3On the 30th year December 24th 2018, I made the leap and it was a very powerful leap literally into the unknown. I didn't have anything lined up, but I was going through a very, very, very stressful time and that's a big understatement and I just had to get out. Previous to that, about five years, 10, maybe 10 years previous to that, I started discovering this world of spirituality and self-actualization and it led me to a lot of different things. I had asked a lot of questions and I was getting answers in varied numbers of sources and those answers were coming very quick and it led me to writing and thinking and philosophizing and going into various forms of metaphysics and quantum mechanics and all these things.
Speaker 3I started studying. It was just flowing and the energy was flowing and part of that journey was exploring the world of metaphysics. So, beyond the physical, death being one of those things, and I had a number of experiences, personal experiences, that led me to explore even further, that were kind of you know, to a lot of people, like the woo woo, like whoa, come on, man really, but no, I mean that they, they really did. A number of experiences happened to me that just could not be explained in the world of the physical.
Speaker 2Wow, you know I get tripped up so many times. You know we'll have people on, they'll talk about hypnosis and, of course, people have talked about Reiki and all of these modalities that can help, and I've tried a number of them All of these modalities that can help, and I've tried a number of them.
Merging Science with Spirituality
Speaker 2I always get caught stuck because I was raised with a scientific mind and I have never been able to make that connection between the scientific and the spiritual. I mean, I know they're related, but because I'm so mired in science it's hard for me to experience the spiritual. Okay, so I don't know how many of our listeners feel that way, but if maybe you could at some point, as we're talking, shed a little bit of light on that, because when you start to talk about quantum mechanics and all that other thing I think Sheldon Cooper on the Big Bang Theory I think you know all of this great stuff and that's the stuff that's hard for me to get because I can't see it okay, watch it right.
Speaker 3Well, he actually elaborated a bit on that. If you would allow me to give an example, specifically on how we could maybe possibly merge the idea of spirituality and science, okay, and one of the best examples I like to use is the Big Bang itself. You mentioned Sheldon Cooper on the Big Bang. Yeah, all right. So scientists, a lot smarter, a lot smarter than me, with PhDs and postgraduate degrees and all kinds of things, a lot smarter than me, have deduced through various theories and experiments that the Big Bang did occur some 14 billion years, let's say 14.6 billion, somewhere in that area between 13.5 and 14 billion years ago. Okay, now, what they have deduced is that this singularity, smaller than the head of a pin, containing all the matter that ever was, ever is, now and ever will be, was contained there. It went from that size to bigger than a galaxy in a femtosecond, a millionth of a billionth of a second. This singularity goes from that size to bigger than a galaxy. Okay, it released electromagnetism, gravity, the strong reaction and the weak reaction, which is basically entropy and that type of thing, with atoms breaking down and that type of stuff. I can't explain it scientifically because I'm not a scientist, but the bottom line is those four forces were released at the same time that this thing went into a super size bigger than a galaxy. Something had to be the catalyst behind that.
Speaker 3Now, if you tell me that it could have happened on its own, I will therefore say if it did happen on its own, you could also conceivably hit the lottery, not once, but 27 times the make a jackpot. Conceivably hit the lottery, not once, but 27 times to make a jackpot. Let's say you did that. The odds of doing that are probably better than this singularity going from that size to bigger than a galaxy in less than a millionth of a billionth of a second, releasing all of these forces. So I use this to point out, when we say spirituality, don't get caught up with the spirituality. Don't get caught up with the semantics of God or Allah or Buddha, or notice, ah, you are OK. Don't get caught up with the semantics. You want to call it quantum floss? Ok, call it quantum floss.
Speaker 2Is that a real word?
Speaker 3I'm making it up. Wayne Dyer actually made that word up in the example, but we tend to argue the point of well, it can't be God, because we don't like to use that. Some people don't, other people don't mind. To be honest, a lot of the world's population, the majority clearly, maybe a billion people don't believe in this universal intelligence, but that would mean that seven billion people do in some form believe it.
Speaker 3So, to answer the atheist, I would ask the question if you don't believe that there was a catalyst behind this thing, then do you believe that it started on its own? If they said, that's the only other option that you have. If it started on its own, then how do you explain that? If gravity and this was proclaimed by a scientist, who was it? Hawkins, stephen Hawking, stephen Hawking, stephen Hawking said if gravity was one part in one million, too great or too small matter would not have been able to form. So how does this thing that basically is the all of everything, the universe itself, how did that occur if there was nothing behind it, no catalyst to allow it to occur?
What Happens When We Die?
Speaker 2Okay, so allow me, and I know somewhere, somewhere on this planet, there's at least one listener going. What are they doing? You know this is a podcast about grief, but the reason I mention it is because spirituality ties in so much to our grief, because some of the things we want are things that you can't touch, that. Some of the things we want are things that other people don't or can't believe in, for example, communicating with our loved ones who are lost. Now, my scientific brain says that's not possible, because when we die, we're gone. Well, where do we go? And there are so many theories. Okay, so many theories, but now I'm of the mind that you have to find a theory that you hear that makes sense to you, and you have to start out by accepting that theory. Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2Because somebody like me, is just not going to be able to prove it. Okay, so I will ask you, for the benefit of our listeners out there, to you in your studies, your experience, what happens when we die?
Speaker 3That's an excellent question. Now, in the book Conversations with God, neil Donald Walsh, the author of the book, asked God that question and God's answer was what do you think happens? And Neil says I don't know. I'm asking you. He says well, I'm asking you. What do you think that? What do you think happens? And Neil says I don't know, I'm asking you. He says well, I'm asking you, what do you think that? What do you think happens? And he said I really don't know, please tell me. He said nothing. You go right on living. You go right on living. What did that mean? The scientific explanation to that is this If you believe Einstein and I do he said energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only change form.
Speaker 3In other words, it can transform, ie transform from this, whatever it is, to something else. Okay, but energy cannot die. Energy is frequency. Thoughts are energy.
Speaker 3This table in front of me that I'm knocking on ultimately is energy. Why? Because it's made of atoms. Atoms are made of subatomic particles which are made of frequencies, quarks, bosons, leptons, these types of things that I don't understand necessarily, but they are energy packets, they are frequencies of energy.
Speaker 3When I put out a particular emotional thought, I'm angry. I'm sending out a specific frequency of energy that must be returned to me in kind. That energy is going to attract into my reality things that will make me angrier, because it's like attracts, like In the metaphysical world, like energy will attract. Like energy In the physical world, opposites attract, north and south poles will pull together. But in the metaphysical world, where everything is energy, like attracts, like. Now I knocked on this table and I said this table is solid, but the reality of it is, it's made of energy. Energy is what? Not bounded, not solid, not anything but frequencies, packets of frequencies, higher frequencies, lower frequencies, but frequencies nevertheless. So if this table is made of atoms and the atoms are made of electrons, neutrons and protons, what are those things? Those are still physical particles of matter, but those things are made of subatomic particles. Ok, the subatomic particles are nothing more than energy.
Speaker 2Well, no wonder I don't get it.
Speaker 4Okay.
Speaker 3Well, these atoms are mostly and I'm talking about 99.9999999% space, because electrons are floating around in orbit around the nucleus. Everything is made of atoms and every one of those atoms have mostly space, and that which is not space the electrons, the neutrons and the protons is energy. So atoms are either energy or space, which means this table is mostly space and what it's not is energy. Now, when I push on the table, there's a force that pushes back against me that I, in my mind, says is solid.
Speaker 4Right.
Speaker 3The scientific explanation behind that if I just stated that everything is energy is that the electrons in the atoms of this table push back against the negative charge of the electrons in my hand. So it's like if you have two poles of a magnet and both poles are north poles. When you do this to the magnet and push both pieces together, it pulls apart, it pushes against each other. So that gives the feeling of solidness. That's why this table feels solid. Now if I bang my head against it, it's going to hurt because of the force of those electrons with the negative charge against the tables of negative electrons. It'll hurt, plus the fact that I'm used to physical things, because I'm in the physical dimension. So I have to play in my head by physical rules. Those are called means. They're beliefs. I believe that the human being has a lifespan of between 70 and, say, 100, if you're lucky years. But there were people that were living 120, 150, 200, 300, 500, if you believe the Bible many, many times more than we're living. They didn't have the same belief system that we have. Plus, the water was cleaner, the air was clean, everything. There was a lot of factors involved, but the bottom line was there's a belief in our heads that that's the span of life that we get. If one person decided I'm going to push 120, I'm going to make it to 122. You know, the record for lifespan, I think, is 122 or 123. What if somebody lived to 124? So I'm going to beat 123. I'll just go to 124. And somebody else said I can do 125. And then three people said I can do 130. And before you know it, we're living way past what the normal quote-unquote lifespan is. Now there's obviously other factors involved called life span. Now, there's obviously other factors involved, but my point is that we have these belief systems in our head and we're using certain tools called the five senses to experience our reality. And that's how we get along.
Speaker 3If I gave you an example of I'm walking in a huge cavern huge, it's monstrous and I have one thing to guide me and it's a penlight. And I've got this tiny little pen light in front of me and I'm looking, looking around and what I see is just what the pen light can see. But there's a lot of stuff around in the dark that I don't see. It's just that I don't have the tool to see it. So when we talk about death and we don't understand how that works. You asked me the question what happens after death?
Speaker 3Maybe the reason why we can't define it is because we're not using the right tools. If I'm using a penlight to go through this cavernous cave, all I'm going to see is what's in front of that light. But suddenly I flip the switch because I find the switch on the wall and now the whole cavern lights up and, oh boy, look what's around me. And you have your answer then. And there is your answer. Okay, can I see the rock as moving and as stationary at the same time? It's moving because it's made of energy, so you can see the electrons spinning.
Energy, Connection, and Communication
Speaker 2Okay, All right. So let's grab on to this word energy, because that's the one word I hear with whatever modalities have been suggested and the only reason modalities get suggested on this podcast is thinking that maybe there is some type of treatment or method that someone who is grieving can use and it might help alleviate their symptoms. We know it's not going to rid them of grief. Most of us believe that we're going to grieve until the day we die, and since we only know what happens afterward, we may grieve beyond that too. So a lot of people that are grieving want to reach out and communicate with the people that have gone beyond. Some of them are looking for answers you know what's waiting for me when I get there and some of them just don't want to let go. So am I correct, then, that, since it's all energy, whether it's here in this little bubble where I live or whether it's beyond it is possible to connect with people who have well, we've called it died, but they could be living elsewhere or existing elsewhere?
Speaker 3Well, when you say existing elsewhere, now we get into some really gray areas here. So where is elsewhere? Some really gray areas here, so where is elsewhere? If energy is boundless and borderless and there is no way we can find it, it's just energy, it just keeps going. Elsewhere is a very kind of tricky term to define. Let me give you an example of you made mention of. How do you go through the grieving process and what exactly do you do to contain this grief and to process it? So both my parents are gone, they're no longer in physical form. When my mother and father died, I was asking a lot of questions. I went through some grieving process just like anybody else. I went through the grieving process Specifically for my father. I remember walking along a path, path and I was very down on myself and in our tradition and in judaism we believe very strongly that we get signs from the beyond when the person has reached the next level all right.
Speaker 3It's then some kind of physical sign something falls off the wall, right? Whatever? Right, so I all right. I want to know are you okay and send me something?
Speaker 3right just just give me a sign that you're, that you're fine. I'm talking to my father now out loud. So I'm walking along and this bird, out of nowhere, flies over my left shoulder, flies into a tree and starts flapping its wings like crazy, like crazy, and walking and squeaking all over the place. This is out of nowhere. Could that have been coincidental? Sure, but it was right after I asked the question and right after that I said out loud remember, this is out loud now. I don't want that sign. I want something way more powerful than that. I want to know. Show me, let me feel it. I need to know you're okay. As I'm walking further along the path, I get this incredible feeling of it was like a wind that wasn't there and it went through my entire being and the tears were rolling down my face and I felt like my heart expanded a thousand times. Now that is not evidence that something is there that we may not necessarily understand. Then you tell me what is evidence.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3Okay.
Speaker 2Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3Absolutely. You know, a lot of people use psychics. A lot of a lot of people use psychics. Psychics aren't necessarily any better or any worse than anybody else, but what they've done was they found a way to utilize the tools that everybody else has been given. Maybe they have a little additional utilization skills, but they find a way to utilize that. There's a lot of questions asked. What am I meant to do? Everybody keeps saying what's my purpose? Why am I here? Ask out loud, Ask the question. You'll get an answer. It may not necessarily be communicated in English. That's one way that God can communicate, but it's not the only way, Right?
Speaker 2It also may not be the answer you want.
Speaker 3It may not be the answer you want, but the fact is you know you're going to get an answer. Now be prepared to find that If you're looking to the left, you may get it to the right. If you're looking up, it might come from down. So don't be averse to looking in various places in various areas a magazine, a road sign, a license plate. I get numbers all the time, numerical numbers, supposedly from the beyond. I don't know 55, 333, 77, and I look up what all these numbers mean. So it's a communication device that the angels, whatever my, my people from beyond they use to communicate with you.
Speaker 2Okay, so simple question. Okay, should people believe that there is a way to communicate with those who've gone beyond, or a way for those who've gone beyond to communicate with us? These signs, because in your, with all of your background, your experience, your studies and everything, do you believe that little bit of doubt?
Speaker 3what you're doing is you're taking that energy I mentioned energy You're taking that energy and that frequency and you're kind of cutting it. It's not going at full throttle, it's lessened. So the result that you're going to get from putting that out is just that, less than perfect results, less than absolute results. And so when you say, do I believe it? Yes, absolutely, because I've had too many experiences that would negate the fact that this isn't possible. So therefore, I'll use another example. We talk about deaths. You know we're talking about death here and grieving.
Speaker 3Now I liken this to if you're standing next to the ocean and you take a glass and you dip that glass in the ocean. What do you have in the glass? You have something. Is it like ocean water? Does it kind of look like it, smell like it? Is it similar to ocean? No, it is ocean water.
Speaker 3If I put that glass next to me on a rock or a piece of sand, you know, on the sand it's other than the whole ocean. It feels weaker than it feels, separate from it feels, you know, it just doesn't feel like it's the ocean, but it is ocean water. Nevertheless. If I take that same glass of ocean water and I pour it back into its source. It then becomes one with its source. It then becomes one with its source and there's no way on god's green earth that you're going to get that same glass of ocean water back out. It cannot and will not come back out. And not only that, but it knows itself now as the entire ocean. It becomes one with the entire ocean. It feels as though it's the entire ocean, although the reality of it is it's not. It's part of the ocean, it's not the ocean, but it feels as though it's part of the ocean. It feels as though it is the ocean, and there's no way to kind of separate that out.
Speaker 3Right right, right. Can we not be glasses of ocean water in physical form?
Speaker 2Ooh, that's a great question. I like that.
Speaker 3Is it possible that we're going around with these ideas, these memes that we're separate from? We're weaker than I'm separate from you. You're separate from me, you're separate from your parents and your grandparents and all the you know. Everybody's talking about separation, but if we're made of energy, really where's the separation? Where?
Speaker 2So then, you might think or might consider that when we die, we become like that glass of seawater that you poured back into the ocean and it all became one.
Speaker 3That's what I'm suggesting. Yes, if you have a jigsaw puzzle and it's made of, let's say, 10 times 10 to the 10 billionth hour number of pieces 10 times 10 to the 10 billionth hour number of pieces, each piece is separate unto itself, yet it interlocks into the next piece. Each piece is different than the next piece, more colorful, bigger, smaller ones, more round, and they're all interlocked, depending on each other, to keep the puzzle as whole. If one piece out of the trillions and trillions of pieces is missing from that puzzle, is the puzzle whole? No, no, it's not. It's not, it cannot be not whole. By virtue of what it is, all of these pieces serve a purpose, some greater than others, et cetera, et cetera, but each piece depends on the next piece to become one with the whole.
Speaker 2Well, well, I want to ponder that for a while, and it just so happens that our time is winding down enough so that while I'm pondering it, I'm going to turn you loose on the listeners. But here's what. Here's what I want to suggest. Before then, there are times I mentioned my own scientific brain, my skepticism, if you will can get in the way of some things I've tried.
Speaker 2However, having said that, there are other times that things have happened that I, as soon as they happen, I am convinced, and I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt, that that was a sign or a message from Tom, my late husband, from my mother, from my father, from whoever. So there are times that it's just there for me and I can't help but believe it. Yet I start to analyze it and that's when I get tripped up. So I think what I'm going to have to do is just have more of an open mind and not worry so much about the scientific, so that maybe I can experience even more and, like you say, to be open for them and to look for them and don't necessarily look right in front of you, just be more open to all of that.
Speaker 2So I'm going to ponder that, but I really like this concept of the seawater. I really, really, really like that. Now I am going to turn the microphone over to you and I want you to tell our listeners about your book, because you mentioned to me that in your book there's some resources that will help them. So I want you to kind of tell them what they might find that would help them accomplish some of the things that they would like with connecting with their loved ones.
Resources for Connecting with Loved Ones
Speaker 3Okay, Well, I would be more than happy. More than happy. First of all, my book is called Taking a Chance on Life and it's a very uplifting, powerful, spiritual book. That basically indicates it tells the story of looking at life, life experiences, through an alternate lens, a metaphysical lens, if you will. So everything that I do and interact with at this point in my life not from previous times when I was an accountant and very analytical, but from this point forward I look at through a metaphysical lens and the book goes into all these life experiences that we discussed on the podcast about the bird flying and you know experiences with my forward. I look at through a metaphysical lens and the book goes into all these life experiences that we discussed on the podcast about the bird flying and you know experiences with my mother and there's too many experiences to count that would relate to your listeners and some of these stories about death and the afterlife and that type of thing. But it's all in the book and I highly suggest getting it and looking at the website HeavenIsWithin. Heaveniswithincom has a lot of the resources, has the book. You can buy the book there and in the book I mention even more resources Conversations with God, anina Morjani, who I met.
Speaker 3Amazing woman. She wrote a book called Dying to Be Me. For a second I'll just really quickly go over.
Speaker 3Dying to be Me is about Anita Morjani's life, where she was diagnosed with cancer and she had tumors on her neck the size of golf balls and probably bigger and was given minutes not days, not hours minutes to live. The priest was called in and blah, blah, blah and everything started taking place and she went through the tunnel that everybody seems to see and was told real quick, go back. You have this option of either going back or staying. You can stay. If you go back, you're going to tell your story of what it's really like to die and what happens and all this and explain what really goes on.
Speaker 3And she chose to go back and she pointed to all the doctors that were working on her at the time. She was under the knife and they were working trying to remove the tumors and do what they could to prolong her life. But the reality of it, they knew she didn't have long. They were just kind of appeasing her family and she got back. She found herself back in her body and over six weeks the tumors had shrunk and she walked out of the hospital. She told this entire story in a book called Dying to Be Me. I met this young lady so I know she's real because we hugged and she's incredible.
Speaker 2Wow.
Speaker 3And that was one story and there's many more experiences that I had with various things. Another book besides Dying to Be Me and Taking a Chance on Life is Three Magic Words Very powerful. You don't get to the three magic words until the very end of the book, the last page. But those three resources, my God well, four, if you include conversations with God very, very powerful stuff and it explains a lot. Really, I think your listeners could get a lot. Sounds like they could. Yeah, all powerful stuff and it explains a lot. Really, I think your listeners could get a lot.
Speaker 2Sounds like they could. Yeah, all of those, and Heaven is Within.
Speaker 3Heaven is Within is the website, and taking a chance on life will explain my personal experiences about this and my take on it, how I feel about how we can use the tools not necessarily that we were given, but the tools that are present within us to garner a better understanding of how this all works, both the life process and death process, which really is kind of the same thing. Some people think life is a birth and birth is a death.
Speaker 2They're rather birth and death, yeah there's a lot of different theories out there. I guess you have to pick the one that resonates with you, absolutely Go from there. And yeah, there could be dozens upon dozens of conversations about this whole topic. I think we've probably for a half hour. I think we've done justice to it and gotten at least some information out there that our listeners know, now that there are some places they could go and learn more about it. Your book, your website are good places to start.
Speaker 2And listeners, as you recall, all of our guests, whatever contact information they give us, websites and everything will all be in the podcast notes. So don't feel bad if you didn't have time to grab a pen and write it down, just read the podcast notes. It'll be in there. And I do hope you go to the website. I do hope that you grab his book and read it. And, hey, if any of you figure it out, you know, reach out to me and give me a hand, will you? Because sometimes it's just, you know, I'm an honor student for crying out loud, right? Why can I not resolve this in my own mind?
Speaker 4Right.
Speaker 2I have some other opinions on why I can't, but I'm just going to stick with the scientific one. That skepticism gets in my way all the time, all the time.
Speaker 3You know, sometimes that happens. But one other thing I can add, kathy if your listeners did not have a pen or paper, what they could do when they go to either the website, which has the book, or the book itself. In the book there are these resources that I mentioned in the back. The printed copy, the audio copy, will be out. The audio version, rather, will be out probably sometime in May, late May. It may not necessarily have the resource page because that has to be read by the narrator, but the written copy certainly does and the e-book would have. The e-book is there.
Speaker 2OK, sometimes audio books now are coming with downloadable PDFs with the resources in a PDF or something you can get, because I know a lot of the reading I do is by audio book while I'm in my car or something like that. It's one of my favorite resources to metro places to do that. So, listeners, it is time now we have to say farewell again, and I always hate this part of the podcast because I always get really into a conversation, a topic, and then I have to kind of wrap up. So, michael, you have left me with a lot to think about, but I really, really love that seawater. I'm probably going to go to sleep tonight thinking about that one.
Speaker 2That really resonates with me for some reason, that when I die, I'm just going to become one with the mass that's already there.
Speaker 3The mass that's already there.
Speaker 2Yeah, so I kind of like that, I'm glad.
Speaker 3Well, what about the jigsaw puzzle? I mean, that's what it is, yeah, so I kind of like that, I'm glad. Well, what about the jigsaw?
Speaker 2puzzle, I mean that's a good one too. That's a good one too. But the seawater for me I mean the jigsaw puzzle. You can see the individual pieces if you look at it, but the seawater you really can't distinguish. Once you put that glass, the contents of the glass, back in there, you can never find those exact drops of water again, correct? Because they are so blended. Yeah, I think that's the part that really really appeals to me. So I love conversations that make me think. So thank you so much for that and thanks for taking your time. This may resonate well enough that I may have to head you back. I don't know, I would love to See how far I get with this one.
Speaker 2Yes, you are right, it's a topic, kelly. I didn't ask you yet. Did you have any questions for Michael?
Speaker 4I don't have any questions. I have thoughts about.
Speaker 2God.
Speaker 4I feel like I need to write a thesis or something on this. I feel like I was in a lecture, but a very interesting lecture. I've got all these things rolling around in my mind, but I feel like this is a similar. I've always never known how I feel about reincarnation, uh-huh, but the seawater thing leads me to that. Okay, you can't get the same thing back that you put in there, right, but you could dip in and get maybe get some of it back with something else.
Speaker 4That might portray that you could be reincarnated and have some memories from your past. Yeah, but then you have all these new things that you picked up along the way. Correct, so that's where my brain is right now. I'm just like this train to reincarnation Not that I'm in a hurry to be there, no, that's what my brain is at, and I'm just so thankful that you brought this to the table, because I don't think I could ever have thought of any of this on my own, or even gone someplace to where I would get this information. So thank you.
Speaker 2Well, I like topics that make you think yes, they just, you know, they keep me alive, I guess. Anyway, remember, listeners, take care of yourselves. Self-care is so, so important, and I hope that you will tune in again next time. We'll have another guest for you and another great topic. Let this one resonate. I'm probably going to have to go back and listen to it two or three times to make sure I get every little piece of it, because I know there are little fragments in there that I got stuck on some thought and maybe I missed a fragment. So that's one of the nice things about having them recorded is you can do that again and again, and we will catch you next time as we all continue to live and grieve. Thanks again, michael, thanks.
Speaker 4Michael.
Speaker 3Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1Thank you so much for listening with us today. Do you have a topic that you'd like us to cover or do you have a question from one of our episodes? Please email us at info at asiliveandgrievecom and let us know. We hope you will find a moment to leave a review, send an email and share with others. Join us next time as we continue to live and grieve together.