Part 2: Our Perimenopause Experience - Nancy

This is part 2 in a series of conversations about perimenopause and menopause. I've heard from so many women who felt like they went through it alone, or didn't have anyone to confide in or help them through it. So let's normalize talking about menopause - what it can look like, what to expect, and ideas for how to best navigate the inevitable changes that come with this phase of life.

What sticks with me about Nancy's story is not just the truly difficult times she has been through, but how taking a broad perspective of life's ups and downs helped her ride out the lows. It is normal to experience lows and rough times! Even so, she was able to take charge of her health and get relief from her symptoms with the help of her doctors. You are an inspiration, Nancy!

Our stories are unique. We are not doctors, nor are we giving medical advice. Please talk to your doctor about your health and follow their professional advice.

At the end of this episode, I mention my naturopath. Here is her information:
Dr. Savannah Bukant  
Naturopathic Doctor, Biofeedback Therapist, Mindbody Coach
Seattle, WA  |  (425) 403-7480  |  www.savannahbukant.com 

Transcript

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Hi, I'm Adriana Medina Kagan. Welcome to Bien Fuerte. It's time to speak. This podcast was created to connect our community to others who are interested in exercising not only their physical bodies, but their mind, spirit, and soul as well. Listen to life experiences, themes, and topics that have taught us how to shed those limiting beliefs. Get advice from fitness experts. clients, business owners, and other community members that have inspired us to embrace abundance and freedom in all departments of our lives. Be brave enough to borrow other people's courage until we find our own strength to blaze our own way in this life and know that you are not alone. Hola, hola, mi gente. Adriana Medina Kagan here with Bien Fuerte. And I am here with my good friend Nancy. You've heard her on the communication podcast and as well as our tribe a couple years ago. And I am on the theme right now, Nancy, about menopause, perimenopause. And you're 10 years older than me. So I'm loving it. I knew I remember you telling me one time when we were working out. And you were really red and you said, I hope you win this shit. We were doing that hot yoga class and I only did it for you. And I felt like I was in a volcano. It was awful. And that was because I was in the throes of menopause. I remember but. The thing is, I learned so much from you and my clients and ahead of time because you are in a more advanced stage as far as like, you're raising your kids while I'm trying to have them, you're losing weight, you're getting your body back, you're doing all these things. That I have yet to experience. Mm hmm. And now perimetopause is one of those things. And I was interviewing Lisa because I told her the same thing. I want to normalize perimetopause and metopause because until you're going through it, you really don't understand. So now I'm going through it and I want to hear your perimetopause, metopause journey. because we hear all the experts talk, we read the books, we do the supplements, we go see our doctor, but we don't hear somebody's journey as they start to feel the symptoms, then go to see whoever they need to see, a health professional, and then get on whatever medication, hormone replacement therapy, Adaptogens or supplements that do help you with all the symptoms like hot flashes Yeah, I think it's a really it's a challenging journey. And I think the thing that is so difficult for a lot of women is that we're not really able to communicate with our mothers and the older women in our family in a way that helps us. Because when I asked my mother about menopause, she couldn't remember. Anything. Like, nothing. She didn't remember when her, period stopped. Nothing. And I couldn't understand that. I'm like, how come you don't remember this? And then I wasn't, really close to some other women in my family. So there was no one to reach out to. And I kind of felt like I was in it on my own. And because I'd had this very troubling pregnancy journey and, I didn't know where I was on the spectrum of going through those hormonal changes in my life. And so, I had my first baby at 39, and my second one at 41, and he was my surprise baby, because I didn't think it was going to happen. And then I started going through menopause at about 47. Perimenopause. Perimenopause, but I was actually in full menopause by the time I was 48. So, it was kind of quick and early for me than other women. And I remember the first time I had a hot flash. I was in the car with my boys and I was taking them to the grocery store. The one grocery store where I could leave them at the little daycare place for like 45 minutes of freedom! I would go and like, have my coffee and call a friend while they were in there and then I'd buy groceries with them. But, I was sitting in the car and all of a sudden I got this like, immense heat, like, I was sweating and I was getting like heart palpitations and my ears started to ring. I didn't know what was going on with me. And I looked back at my kids and they're in their car seats and I'm trying to get them and Finnegan says, Mom, you look like a lobster. And I looked in the mirror, I was beat red, like I was sunburned. Nancy's a little light in complexion, but she's half Latina. Oh my gosh. And I just remember looking at myself and I thought, It's a hot flash, and I couldn't believe it. How would you know that that was it? Like, when, so my idea, now we're normalizing it so that like Sophia can know about that as well. But my period started kind of at 12, which is in the middle, like still one sister started her period when she was 14, but one sister started her period when she was 10. She went into perimetopause a lot sooner. Yeah, so that that's a really good indicator. So I've been plagued with migraines. I was plagued with migraines my whole life. From the time I started to, probably at about eight years old, I started getting migraines and then they got really bad when I started ovulating and my early teens and my period was never normal. But one time I had this horrible migraine. I ended up in the hospital and the doctor came to me. He goes, well, I got some good news and some bad news. I was like, all right, give me the good news. And he's like, well, we're not going to amputate your head today. I'm like, oh, that's good. And he says, well, the bad news is you're probably going to have migraines. For another 30 years. And then he asked me, he's like, when did you start your cycle? And I said, about 16. And he says, well, count on about 30 years and then it's going to end. because once you hit menopause, it'll go away. And Sure enough, during that year when I started phasing into menopause and my cycles were not regular anymore and I was going like for two, three months without one. That year between like the ages of 46 and 48, that first year I had something like 36 migraines. I stopped counting at 36 because it was too many and they were lasting for days. That was a, such a debilitating year for me and my kids were little and I'm trying to like take them to school every day and then it caused other things, you know, being depressed and stuff like that. But I remembered what that doctor said but I hadn't like put it all together yet. You know, that, that was why I was asking because now I knew when I was having a hot flash. It was a hot flash. Because I've seen you all go through it and knew the symptoms and knew kind of what to look for age wise, you know 47 46 last year I felt a lot more and but I couldn't differentiate if it was like Sadness because my brother had just passed or was I depressed? Or what it was so Yeah. So the interesting thing about menopause, you don't really know, but it sneaks up on you. Right. And I was an active mom, I was volunteering and I'm helping my kids in school and I ended up getting depressed. I had suffered with a postpartum depression after my first child was born but I got better, but now this is like a whole new ballgame. And then I found that I just wasn't finding any joy anymore. And the only thing that got me out of bed in the morning was knowing that I had to get up and take my kids to school. And then one day I was doing some reading about depression and I found this chart. I wish I could remember the doctor's name, but it was this Japanese doctor. She did a study about depression. And what I thought was so wonderful about this chart was it showed depression and there were all these valleys Peaks and valleys throughout life and there was a depression. It peaks in adolescence, about the time that a woman starts her cycle. And then it goes down, and then it peaks again in her twenties, and then it goes down, and then it peaks again in her thirties, and then in the late thirties, when, you know, I'm like, Oh! And then, all along, there's like, Oh! these different stages of life, right? Childbearing years, and then depression goes away, and then there's another time when we're susceptible for depression, and that's when we go through perimenopause and menopause, and then later in life, when we have parents who start to get ill and pass away, and then as we age, and we're in your 60s, and now your body is changing, and there's another depression cycle, and it's just, when I saw that chart, I thought, oh. This is normal. There's nothing abnormal about having these low cycles in your life. And when I saw that, I realized, oh, this is because my hormones are changing, and I need to get it figured out. Yes. So that's good, because it's like, okay. I see it, but I also see the light at the end of the tunnel because of what is going through. So you went through perimetopause really quick then. So 40, yeah, about two years, two years. And then you were full on medical period anymore. Nope. Before 50. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. What was your process? So, yeah, I well, I went to my doctor because I was having really painful sex. Dryness! Oh yeah. Just talk about that. Yeah, it was terrible. It was very painful. And of course, you know, it was hard on my relationship because I I thought, why isn't this working? So, in my intimate relationship with my husband, I was like, hmm, I started to like withdraw because I was anticipating and then I didn't want to, you know, engage because I knew it was going to hurt. And even lubricants didn't help. So I went to my doc, my gynecologist and she checked me out. She's like, Oh yeah. She's like, okay, we're going to give you some stuff. So You know, back then there was this one study that said, Oh, you're not supposed to use hormone replacement therapy, HRT for more than five years. Right. So she got me started on that. And did you feel Yeah, I did. I felt better after about, I noticed within a month, I was taking estrogen. I was using the little patch, the estradiol patch, and then I was using like the vaginal inserts for the progesterone. Yeah, the progesterone. So that at that time I was using the patch and the inserts and that was working pretty well. And then she also prescribed a mild Antidepressant. Because my sleep cycle was way off. I mean, I wasn't getting any sleep. I was waking up about 20 times a night. It was terrible and sweating. I was still sweating at night going through some of that because like, did it wake you up? was that what woke you up? Or no, it was just the sleep cycle. I just, I, I was waking up so much and I wasn't getting any rest. And so I was in this cycle of basically sleep deprivation. So after about a month to six weeks, I started feeling better. I was getting better sleep, and my body was starting to adjust, and then it was like, hmm. You know, then, you know. I wasn't like against having sex because it took away that dread and then I didn't feel a pain. And so that was a lot better. I was still feeling some discomfort so I went back and had to do you know, a little fine tuning on the medication and she recommended changing the Dose a bit and that helped. And so, and the other thing was, being mentally, prepared I really needed to feel that self assurance of, the intimacy instead of, like, hey, I really need some, like, no. That's a whole other thing. We can talk about that. It's not that women don't want to have sex. It's that women don't want to have the sex they're going to have. Yeah. And, I kind of was in this state because sex was painful. I just like, let's just get it over with. Like, I know you have needs and I need it, but. Let's just get it over with. And I didn't want it to be that way. I need it to be in that mental head space of like, I'm calm. I feel secure and cared for. Right. and then, you know, surprisingly when I'm in that state, it's not a problem. Right. Yeah. So you started Yeah, I did. So I was on HRT up until early 2020. And at that point, I was at the five year mark. So what happened was I went on a trip And on the way back, somehow, all of my medications got lost. And I was calling my doc to try to get in and get my stuff taken care of And I wasn't able to do it because we had moved to a different city And so at the time when we were there It was like there's a doctor shortage and one of the health care facilities had closed down. So i'm on the waiting list and then of course february of 2020 Covid happens and then we're in lockdown So one day I was going to the mailbox, so I haven't been on HRT for probably two months, and I'm feeling weird, I feel like my ligaments are tight and brittle. I reached into the mailbox to get the mail and all of a sudden I had this excruciating pain. I didn't know what happened. And I tore my rotator cuff. I did not know what happened at that point. And I got in the house and then, Because we were in lockdown. I couldn't go to the doctor. All of a sudden I couldn't carry any weight in my arm, on my hands or anything. And I was constantly dropping my cup of coffee. I was dropping the gallon of milk taking it in and outta the refrigerator. I couldn't lay on my left side. I couldn't do anything. I was in excruciating pain and I called. I finally found a doctor and they're like, Oh, it sounds like you might've torn your rotator cuff. And I'm like, how can that happen? And so I went for almost 10 months with this situation and I developed a frozen frozen shoulder. And then I finally got into the orthopedist and He's talking to me, goes, yeah, this is really common for women when they're in menopause. I'm like, what? I was going to say joint pain and frozen shoulder is very common. Nobody told me this, but the thing that happened to me was when I lost all those medications and I couldn't get back onto them because my doc said, Oh, you're at the five year mark. You need to stop. Suddenly I was in menopause overnight with no help. No, I wasn't eased in out of it at all. It was just like, You know. It was a complete shock. And I was getting the terrible headaches and I was getting sweats and I was going through the whole like detox. It was terrible. And then we're in lockdown. I remember one day I was like really angry. I was looking at my husband. He's like, what's wrong with you? And I'm like, I'm sorry. I just want to punch you in the face. I didn't understand what I was going through. It was terrible. We talk about that is perimetopause and metopause is also the highest divorce rate. Of relationships. Oh my gosh, I can't tell you how many times I was walking around the house and every thought was like, F, F, F, F, F, F. I was in the throes of this thing, plus I'm around men in my house, like everyone's a male, even the dog, and I can get not get any relief. I don't have anyone to talk to and it was just hard. And you know, the end really honestly, that thought about like, wanting to get out and thinking like, my partner doesn't understand me, you know, like, it is a internal dialogue But because of the extreme situation that we were in, I wasn't able to like bounce it off anyone else. And you know, I would see you once in a while and some other, other girlfriends, but it wasn't the same because we were all under such, you know, yeah, yeah. That was our social cue. Like having bought podcasts and having conversations was a way that women could connect. It's that community and that in Spanish, they call it the Sogar. Which means to just vent and unload and process, right? How can you do that when you have nobody to process it with you? Like, that's where it takes a special person for them to be able to listen to you and support you. As long as they're in it with you, you feel important. But when they're not present, then you have to Find somebody that is, because you can't necessarily get your needs met anyway from one person, but at the same time, if you don't have anybody around you, it just gets bigger in your head. Mm hmm. That voice in your head. Yeah, and, that's something we have to watch, and I'm grateful that I remember seeing that chart so long ago and knowing that this is another, you know, part of life. It's just a cycle. And once, we can identify that, then we know, Oh yeah, I need to go get some help. So how long were you without BHRT? So about four years. What happened was, after lockdown, and about a year later, I decided like, I gotta go back to work. And so I did. But the thing was, is that it was a big struggle, wrapping my brain around a new job, I went back to journalism, and, I had to write. So many stories every week, and it was hard for me. I realized, oh yeah, very stressful. I had to meet deadlines, and my family's like, where are you? And I'm like, oh, I've got to go interview these people and do my job, you know. I needed that social interaction. I was meeting people from all walks of life, and it was wonderful just to hear other people's stories and, and take their photos and write about them, and I really enjoyed that. But last summer I noticed I wasn't feeling right. I was getting really tired, fatigued I just felt like I could sleep all the time. But I wasn't getting good sleep. Again, my sleep pattern was disrupted. So I talked to my doctor and so she's like, well, let's do full workup. So she did. And she's like, Oh, your hormones are all out of whack. Everything was out of whack. And so she got me back on track with everything. So it was almost five years actually. So five years on five years off. And then I started again and we had this long conversation about the study. And she goes, well, that study was kind of debunked because they studied the wrong people. They studied women who were. 65 and in menopause and put them on HRT and it caused problems for them. So now we have new data, we have new studies, and now we know that, as long as you monitor your levels and that it's good for us. I mean, can you imagine like, we lose our hormones and then they tell us we can only have'em for five years. Like, doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense. Now, I had my levels checked after like a couple months and then a couple months after that. And now I'm kind of got a baseline go on my sleep improved dramatically. Like I can sleep through the night now. It's amazing. After six weeks, I remember I woke up, it was middle of February. I'm like, did I just sleep through the night? Wow. I feel like a whole new person. Wow. The sky is really blue today. There's so many trees are so green. I know. And then and also I had been experiencing a lot of intimacy issues and within about two months, the pain was gone. And I started feeling sexual again. Yeah, the drive was coming back, which was amazing because I was like, if my, it was walking down the street, my uterus fell out on the sidewalk, I'd just walk over and keep on going because I didn't care. So back, sleep got better. Everything's get better. So you're on the. HRT, yep. Are you on the patch? So I'm doing the estradiol and the progesterone that I take at night and then I also do No, is it progesterone insert or is it tablet? I'm doing the insert and the tablet. So both. Yep. And then I'm also taking magnesium at night because that helps us sleep. I'm taking a whole multivitamin And then other things like don't drink coffee past, three or four in the afternoon I don't drink very much at all because that'll disrupt my sleep I am doing different kinds of exercise. Now I'm back with you on Tuesdays and Fridays, which I love. I felt really good today after our workout for a lot of reasons. Like one, I got a good workout. And I was being mindful of what I could do and you really helped me modify the exercise. But the thing that really helped me was just being there with, with our ladies, because I've known them for so long and having been separated from them, for these few years, like really had a big impact on me. i'm a social butterfly when it comes going to You are a social butterfly and you definitely feel that expressed with this community because there's Six of you that started and just never stopped it was 2010. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was 2010. That's when I met you. Oh my gosh.. So when you have a group of people doing the workout and having it and it changes, you need all kinds of training, mobility, joint stretching, flexibility, you need strength. heavy, heavier, but smart lifting, you need hit high intensity training. Oh, yeah. And then conditioning like this totally separate than hit because it's not so much impact. It's rowing, it's intervals on the treadmill. It's walking at an incline. It's doing the battle rope running the Shuttle run? Oh, the circuit? No. The push, the sled. Oh, yeah, my favorite. It's all different. And there's never enough time to do it all, so I leave you guys with homework, I need you all to do bridges every day. Do bird dog every day and do dead bug every day just to make sure that you keep the injury a big Yeah. And that's really, really important. I notice now that I have a lot of hand pain. in the mornings when I wake up. And I don't think it's arthritis, it's just that I clench my fists at night for whatever reason. And so I have to wear little braces now to not do that, which is fun. And then as you get older, then there's the teeth clenching, the jaw clenching at night, so you gotta wear a little mouth guard. But the other thing that I've noticed too is I get these little, they're called spike headaches. And what it is, is it's a muscle spasm and what happens is I'll get like a little pinched nerve and then the way it presents itself is like a, it feels like a little icepick's going into the side of my head every three to ten seconds and it's awful. It happened to me yesterday and it was because I was carrying a lot of heavy stuff around and my muscles aren't strong enough. I know because every time I do weight bearing, for whatever reason, the next day, sure enough, I feel it. It's like, ugh. And it takes like 24 to 36 hours to calm it down. And that's what happened to me last summer. I had an injury. I stumbled. I was doing, on the job, I tripped on a root and I landed hard. I was carrying my backpack with my camera equipment, which weighed about 20 to 25 pounds. And I basically compressed my spine. And that caused a pinched nerve. And I had a headache for a week. And then I had to do physical therapy for it. And then it happened to me again in October. I slipped on a stair. on October 31st and I had a headache for 12 days. It was so bad. I was like losing my mind. And I went to the doctor, I'm like, you got to do something or I'm just not going to make it. And so she gave me some muscle relaxers and it took 12 days for that thing to resolve. And after that, I told my boss, that's it. I'm out. But you know, it's also like strengthening and working on your balance. Okay. And working on the supporting smaller muscles in your feet, because I thought, so it's the falls. You get older are the beginning of the end. My awesome, kick ass neighbor just fell, and it has been a challenge for him to get back on it. And he's 86. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's hard. Like, my great grandmother she was 101 when she died. She was something. but, what really took her down was she started falling down when she was in her late 80s. And then she had a really bad fall and she broke her hip and she died two years later because she just, didn't recover. You can't recover from it. It's just a challenge. So that's why you want to be able to train for those things. It's training for life and working on that stability, creating that strength in your overall core and the supporting muscles. Also, it impacts people differently. With menopause, you feel symptoms that I don't feel. I don't get those headaches. I'm not in menopause, I'm in perimenopause, and I know that because I still have my period, that's for me. I noticed the dryness, I noticed the brittle nails, I noticed the stomach right around the roll, the meno roll, love it, you know, and those are some of the symptoms. And I know they'll normalize, and I'm just. Giving myself a lot of grace and I eat pretty healthy. I move pretty good. I feel strong This is what I can do for right now. And that's good it builds my confidence to do small workouts and Vary the workouts based on my energy level and based on my sleep and how I recovered so that has also helped me Help me just to kind of prep and give myself grace, but also build my confidence because when I do something that is a hard exercise, then I'm like, Oh, that feels good. I did it. And regardless of where it's coming from. That's why it's talking to people about like, what are you feeling? What are you doing? Yeah. When did you start? Well, you know some other symptoms I was thinking about like dry eyes. I was suffering with dry eyes. That's a symptom itchy skin Of course the sleep You know, sometimes your gut biome changes. You can't tolerate certain foods anymore. But you can fix that with probiotics, changing your diet a little bit don't drink as much alcohol. Ooh, that one's a killer. Alcohol will disrupt you so much. It increases your hot flashes. Oh yeah, it's so bad. Spicy food can do that as well. I know. So I'm just not as spicy as I used to be, oh, sometimes clothing texture can really bother you because your skin is sensitive. But, what I noticed was once I got back on the medication and the hormones, wow, oh, the most amazing thing that happened was I felt like my Breast tissue was I noticed like it just felt like everything kind of flattened out. I had like big mama arms and old lady boobs They flattened out And then I got back on the edge turn and I noticed i'm like, oh I'm starting to get some fullness and i'm like the shape came back It was amazing and I I went and bought a new bra and i'm like wow I like I I still got it, you know, and it was different. And we develop a layer around our middle but that can be resolved, by just cutting back on what you eat. Oh, and the cravings. So just be more mindful about like how you're eating. I love the way you said that. Okay. I'm going to enjoy my last whatever before I get back on it. Because there's some times where you don't really pay attention and you know what? That's okay. That's what you need. So that you pay attention later on. And then you start like counting the calories if you really wanted to change, then you'll pay more attention. And that's how I knew I was really paying a lot of attention. But it still wasn't quite moving so I knew something was going on and that's what made me get my numbers done and start reading on it. Well, I was thinking about you yesterday because I'm like, okay, I need to slim down and then I remember you saying, you know, the body is made in the kitchen. I'm like, yes. Okay. I need to dig out that old cookbook. Keep up your food and keep up your protein. As women, we tend to crave more carbohydrates but there is no. percentage on carbohydrates. You just have to have enough to maintain your muscle and take a cue from your body. if you're really working out hard and you know, you're craving carbs, make it a good choice. Don't go for the box of ding dongs. And I think that's what when you're starving yourself. I remember I tried a little bit of the fasting. I could not get the amount of protein and the calories in within that certain window. So it just didn't work for me. What works for me is eating within the hour of waking up and then not eating within an hour of going to bed. And then just making good choices and making sure that I have protein with at least four of the meals. And I do supplement, I do have a protein shake. That's good. And I do try and get a protein. Like some boiled eggs and mm hmm. It's also like what I can prep for my daughter. Oh, yeah, definitely Yeah, and they're easy snacks. So just food prepping you mentioned it in class today. She's like Adriana we need to do something with like a class again, like we used to and do some Yeah, because I what I want to do is I want to have all my food in the fridge and I pull it out and I eat what I eat and then I can stick to my routine because it is so important. I feel like I've been rejuvenated and I really want to take advantage of this, path that I'm on now. The other thing I want to remind you of, and this is very, very common for a woman is get your thyroid checked because my thyroid had conked out and that was why I was feeling so fatigued. Yep. And, you know, honestly, I don't know how I made it through the last two years. It was just like brute force and just whatever. But now I feel so much better and in a much better place. I, my brain, I swear in October when all this was happening, I felt like my brain was on fire. I couldn't put two thoughts together to like write a sentence. I couldn't remember anything. I could sleep for 12 hours and I'd wake up just exhausted. Coffee wasn't working, nothing was working until I got all my labs done. you know, in my levels. Done. Done. So blood work done. Blood work and getting your full panel, I think, is that you got to check all your thyroid hormones, your sex hormones, and then your iron levels. And then if you have any,, consistent medical things that you've been watching over the years, get all of that checked because things change. I have an autoimmune disorder and then I found out that I had another one that developed over the last few years and I have Hashimoto's, which is just a, it's a thyroid thing. And that was why I was so fatigued. But now that I'm on track with the medication, I feel a lot better. It's just fine tuning and making sure that I'm up to date. Using whatever calendar you have, I have an app on my phone called WomenLog, and I just try to write down the symptoms so that I know and I can look back. I can track my period, I can track, you know, my hot flashes and know when I'm asked how it is because I'm more on top of it. It's really steadying up on what you know, on what you need, because everybody, every body is different. And just understanding and having the knowledge and then asking questions. And then also having that conversation with other women. So I hope you enjoyed this conversation and had some of your questions answered. But I feel like after recording two women now and their journeys, it's just been so fascinating to see how different we are. Yeah. And also, like, what works and doesn't work. And I love that Lisa, we had stopped recording and she said, do you know how about that cream and all that? And I was just like, Lisa, let's start recording again, Jesus, share any hacks and just have this conversation with people go get your blood work. If you don't know who to contact, I have a naturopath that was on. Oh yeah. The naturopath was key for me. I'll put her in the log as well, but thank you very much. Oh, you're welcome. It was fun. All right. Tears until next time. Adios. Thanks for listening to today's podcast of being. We would so appreciate it. If you would write a review on whatever podcast platform you are using so that we can get the word out. 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