Ep.253 Deathcore Drummer to Firearms Expert: Inside the Life of Casey Amar

What does it take to transition from blowing open doors with C4 to leading a premier tactical training program? In this episode of The Days Grimm, hosts Brian Michael Day and Thomas Grimm sit down with Casey Amar to explore his fascinating journey from a small-town Kentucky upbringing to the high-stakes world of the United States Marine Corps.

Casey shares the technical and often dangerous details of his career as a Marine Combat Engineer (MOS 1371). From the rigors of the Urban Breachers Course to the meticulous and nerve-wracking work of route clearance, Casey provides a firsthand look at the reality of modern military engineering. He discusses the specific mindset required to handle explosives and the unique challenges of transitioning those high-level skills back into a civilian environment.

Beyond the uniform, this conversation dives into Casey’s diverse personal history. He opens up about his time as a drummer in the deathcore scene with bands like I Liked You Better Dead and how the discipline of music translated into his military and professional life.

Casey’s story is one of constant evolution. Whether he is discussing the intricacies of urban breaching or the philosophy behind "Tactical Problem Solving," his focus remains on precision, safety, and community. This episode is a deep dive into the life of a man who has spent his career mastering the art of solving complex problems under pressure.

If you’re inspired by Casey’s journey from the Marines to the tactical world, make sure to hit the like button and subscribe for more veteran stories. Share your thoughts on military transitions in the comments below. 

Timeline:

00:00 - Introduction: The Pine Wood Derby 

02:15 - Meet Casey Amar: From Madisonville to the Marines 

12:40 - The Kentucky Roots: Growing up in Henderson 

25:15 - The Music Years: Touring in Deathcore Bands 

45:10 - Enlisting: Why the Marine Corps? 

58:20 - Life as a 1371: Breaching, Explosives, and Route Clearance 

01:15:40 - The Urban Breachers Course Experience 

01:30:10 - Transitioning Home: Finding a New Mission 

01:42:15 - Defining Tactical Problem Solving

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Come on. You ever been to a silent disco? We're just doing it out. Hello. Hello, hello, hello, everyone, and welcome to another thrilling episode of the Days Grimm.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

My name is Brian Michael Day. My name is Thomas Grimm. How are you? Dude. Yeah? Building them derby cars, man.

SPEAKER_04 0:51

Right on the rip, dude, just nerding out. Yeah. I'll have everyone know uh right as soon before we even really had any kind of conversation, you were holding up this fucking toothpick and you're like, you like the new derby car? There's no way that passes all the rules. It does. Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:05

It's literally there's so many gray areas, so like you're not allowed to bend the axles. Yeah. And so what I do is I redrill the holes where the axles go at an angle, so that way the tires sit in there at an angle, and I can't give any more information.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

I'm tired of listening to your woodworking. Your peg is showing. So if you don't mind, could you uh tell everyone who's listening who's joining us joining us this week in the Days Grim studio is KC Amor.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

How are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:31

I'm doing well, man. How are you guys doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:33

We're doing good. Don't be afraid of that mic. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna eat it. Just imagine a red solo cup. Okay. Yeah, so what's your win?

SPEAKER_00 1:39

What's up? What's good? How are you?

SPEAKER_04 1:44

That's what's up, dude. The mini. Um, what's Minnie? Or well, I guess we can bleep her name. What's her name? I didn't catch it earlier. Mila. Nice, dude. Uh, I'll bleep that out. You're good. Dude, thanks. Thanks for taking.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

I totally forgot. Uh, I guess uh for the listeners that do not know who you are, why don't you give them a brief elevator pitch of who Casey is and what Casey does.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

All right, so currently uh I'm the general manager of Lawman Tactical. I do the firearms training, uh kind of get that all coordinated, as well as the training coordinating. So whenever uh Top Dog Brian Bishop, shout out, uh tells me to put some classes up on the calendar, I do so. That's what I do. Um I am a United States Marine, I was a combat engineer, blew up some stuff, um and pretty much I just kind of do whatever I just want to do, you know. You go through like the military, you get to voluntold to do everything, and now that I'm out of it, why not just do what I want to do now? Yeah, dude. It's fucking sick, dude.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

You know, you get out and you're like, oh, I could I can have my ice cream now.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Yeah, I definitely do. Like, I go back and I start to look like, am I being toxic right now? Like, you know, everyone's like, you know, there's like so people tell you, like, hey, you need to go do this, or you should probably go do this. Yeah, or if I want to, I will. I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_04 3:00

So you know, I'm gonna think about it. Let me chew on that. You know what I mean? I mean, just kind of let me rack it around a little bit. Um, so what about sorry we dragged you to your place of employment on your uh day off? God bless you. Um, what about Casey and his private life? Who's Casey in his private life? What do you what kind of dude are you? You know what I mean? Oh man, so you're a gold chain dude, which I I respect that, dude. I think I don't know if mine.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

And fake gold watch.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

Can't forget the fake gold watch, bro. You couldn't have told me, you could have told me it was real. I would have believed you.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Did it say Rolex? Oh, nice, dude. It's fake. Okay, sure. I ain't bone that bitch.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

The funny part is is uh I had yeah, I had a fake gold chain for a while, but I work in a jewelry store, so nobody questioned me on if it was fake or not. They just automatically assumed it was real.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

I was like, hey, then you stopped wearing it. They thought he was Cuban for like six months, dude.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

I think it's like this fucking dude, it's like a thick ass gold chain.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

It is, it's huge. We put it on our deer in our old studio. I'm trying to get lawman to let us hang deer in here.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

How's that going? Not great. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

But I'm telling, I'm trying to get them. I'm like, before I tell them they're deer heads, I'm like, can we get some universal like wall hanging spots that way you we can swap it out like you know, when we filmed the watch and the war in here, we can put a big lawman logo there. Hell yeah. Enough about everything else. Let's get into Casey. Like, where were you born?

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Yeah, where do they make Casey's at, dude? Uh so I was born in Madisonville, Kentucky.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

I know that. Yeah, uh, Ferrell's burgers, bro.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

I'm telling you, nobody knows, dude. Nobody knows. I haven't had one. He's told me he's religious about it.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

That is a crime.

SPEAKER_04 4:34

I know.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

I should be a rich. All right, so one day, sometime we all have to go to ferrells. I'm here for it. So, and you also gotta be prepped because you never know what's gonna be in there. Like, a bow, like a bow prep. Like a bowel prep, or like what kind of prep? No, no, you don't know if it's like is it a crackhead, someone super cool, someone from church. I don't know, but somebody from another town.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Anytime, anytime we drive through Kentucky and it's on the way, like it's either we stop there on the way to where we're going or we stop there on the way back. That's exactly how we are.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

It's a ritual, like if you're going near Mattisville, it's like, well, I might as well take a detour and I'm going to Ferrell's.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

This kind of sounds a lot like a bussies, but for Kentucky. You know what I'm saying? You guys are familiar with bussies, right? Yeah, the bussies. Yeah, yeah. Buckies, y'all know about Buckies, dude? Yeah. Bussies, dude. Anytime you drive in a state that has a busy, you have to go. Everybody has to go. Even if it's like an hour outside of your most convenient route, you have to go to bussies.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Now, Ferrell's is on like a way smaller scale. Yeah. Way smaller.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

I'll probably like one straight tavern cut in half.

SPEAKER_04 5:34

Oh shit. So it's like a dirty shack in the middle of Doncho. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

I mean, it actually is.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

There's like eight parking spots.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Yeah, every time I park in there, I'm like almost having to go at like a completely like awkward angle just so nobody clips the back of my training.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

And you have to leave through an alley.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Yeah. And there is like a huge mirror on the other side that makes sure like if there's someone like flying through that corner, you're not gonna have a well.

SPEAKER_04 6:00

You know how I feel about it? I feel pretty solid about it because like I'm a big Waffle House guy, right? Huge Waffle House guy, and you've never seen more suspicious people make food. You know what I mean? Yeah, like there will be a guy actively getting stabbed by another cook as he's like making your hash browns. You know what I mean? And it's the best hash browns you ever have? Best daggon hash browns you're gonna have for the next for the rest of your life, probably. So did you grow up in Madisonville?

SPEAKER_00 6:27

I did. Um, I was in Madisonville up until I was about twelve. Um damn boy. I don't know. There's a lot to do in Madisonville. There's not.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

Um you got barbecue places and what's the barbecue place? They got the barbecue place by the strip mall where the movie theater is. Oh. And then they have the other one on the other side of town across the street from McDonald's, where like hidden behind the car dealerships. I think that's Brothers Barbecue. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Do they partake in a lot of like I get I assume like it this town sounds an awful lot like Mount Vernon, Indiana, and I'm from there. So like um it sounds like there's probably uh fair to say a lot of recreational uh drug usage. Probably that's probably a good way to pass your time in the state in the town of Madisonville. Maybe six churches. Oh, yeah. More one ways than they have in uh Mount Vernon.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Probably more like Boonville.

SPEAKER_04 7:17

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, so uh like a little smaller. Boonville's smaller, right? Uh Boonville is smaller. Yeah, okay, okay, nice. God bless you. Um, damn boy, you got bush light on your peg, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Uh my my grandparents are uh in Madisonville, so we we go there fairly often. Who's down there? Your grandparents? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Sick, dude.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

Uh Curtis.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Um Jerry Curtis and Lynn Curtis.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

That name actually does sound familiar. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

He had like that tree trimming business there. He's got a car dealer, not dealership, but like an old car shop there, and then she plays like organ for like two churches there in town. Which I don't know. She also does it for like the college there in town too, like teaches and like does all the musical stuff for that.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

So it's you church fella? Yeah. So what what kind of church you go to? It's non-denominational.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Okay, sick, dude. I've been to a couple of those. So in Madisonville, uh, we actually went to a Pentecostal church, and that's where it all kind of started. And the reason why I left Madisonville is my dad ended up becoming a pastor and took over a church that was So you're a PK. I am. Yeah, me and my two sisters don't get a lot of PKs up in here, dude. I like that. Everyone gets shocked about that. They're like, I never well actually some people do like, no, I can actually see that. So did you play sports growing up? Uh I played football for a little bit. I did it because it was cool, you know. Um not baseball. You look like you got the baseball build. No, didn't care for baseball. Like, dude, I was like one of those kids. Like, as soon as I got home from school, I'm going outside and just playing uh, you know, with the neighborhood homies riding the bikes. Oh yeah. And uh I was that one that was like so my dad was a gamer back in the day, like from what I can even remember, and his games of choice was Sub-Lo 7, Cold 9, how yeah, and Resident Evil 2. How so obviously on the Nintendo 64, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh obviously, like when I go outside, it's either I'm playing like some type of army game and I'm on like my infamous last stand. How yeah? We all you know live for that moment, and uh, or I'm shooting zombies. Okay. Or we're just riding motorcycles, quote unquote. The bikes and stuff. You put the little card in the Did you ever do the card? I did the can. You did the can, can't a good one too smush the can and then up until one time. Yeah, until one time, uh, I guess it just caught it at a different angle and actually busted my tire. Yeah, so my dad's like, don't do that again. Here, try this game card. Yeah, but I would say, like, my dad is uh back in the day for the longest time, he was or he still does it as BMX. Okay so I had the coolest bike in the neighborhood. I had a dy Dino GT all the time. The Dino GTs were sick, dude. And that was my bike. Had the gyro on it, it sure did. Hell yeah, brother. Had some pegs on it. Yep. Hell yeah, dude. Fat pegs, bro. Hell yeah, dude. So like me and the homies is cruise around everywhere on my on like the back peg, or sometimes they ride in the front. Hell yeah. Um go pick up a lucky lady.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

No, put her on the peg.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

There's no ladies around, there's no so but we pretend, like, yeah, make believe.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Like, Jared, your name is now Stephanie, and you're a really cute blonde, okay?

SPEAKER_02 10:31

You know what we we have never asked in all of our episodes?

SPEAKER_03 10:35

That's where all our confusion comes from, dude. Predominantly male societies and having to pretend. I'm just kidding. Go ahead. What were you saying?

SPEAKER_02 10:42

Uh well, so wait, I guess before I ask that question, uh, so you move on, you're 12, that's like middle school, right? Yeah. So where do you go for there?

SPEAKER_00 10:50

Uh went to we moved over to Henderson, and that's where I still am. Um Henderson's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yeah. It's uh like Henderson's like civil war times. Like literally, like there's like a race war. There is.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

So I'm actually king, and I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

It's so true, bro. I had a cousin that got shot because of the race war shit. Dude, so edit edit Brian, edit race war out.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Don't forget to do that. Edit out race war. But oh my god. It's actually it's true. So in Massville, Matsonville. Dude, it's like in Madisonville, like everybody's just big chilling, hanging out, and all that stuff. But I'm I'm not lying. So it was this end of second semester when I was in sixth grade. I moved to Henderson, and like literally the first class that I walk into, I'm like, I'm not even lying. Um one of the kids was like, So what are you?

SPEAKER_07 11:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

What do you mean? Whoa. I mean, I like I don't know. I'm like, and I'm nervous too. Yeah. And he's like, So are you like, or what? Like, I this is true. And I'm like, what? Like, I don't need I'm white. You know, that's what I was telling everyone. I'm Filipino, but like, I don't know. I'm an American. What do you say?

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Like, I don't I didn't know what it was. Dude, that you missed your you missed the boat though. You could have been you could have gone with anything.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

You could I really could have, you know, back in the day, if I can go back in the day, dude, I would have messed with him. I would have trolled this kid, but like I'm actually Italian, dude. Like, yeah, which is crazy. So you could imagine. I went home, I was like, Mom, what am I? What is a bag? You know? So oh my god. Yeah. What am I? You know, that's so fucked up for a kid, dude. Yeah, I know it was definitely traumatizing, and like throughout middle school, they're always like, Um, hey dude, you got your back looks like looks like it's wet, you know? And you can imagine, like, you know, I'm like, what? And then I start to catch on. I'm like, oh I hate all of you.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

You're like, if somebody put a blue post-it note on me.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Yeah, no, that's what I was like thinking. I was like, so it just says Hispanic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:57

And they're like, whoa. Give me a slur. I'm Hispanic. Uh no, funny you bring up um it's funny that you're from Henderson, uh, because they hate us. Uh they actually we have a really infamous uh comment on one of our TikToks when we were talking shit about Henderson. And then the city of Henderson commented on it. The city of Henderson slash tourism commented on one of our things, and they were like, uh pre-story. Pre-story is the clip that they commented on. The clip we're talking shit about the sign that they put up. This is a couple years ago when they put up that ridiculous sign that says iHeart Henderson. Yeah. And I was like, we were interviewing a guy from Owensboro, and I was like, Well, I know Owensboro sucks, but you could be from fucking Henderson. They put up this ridiculous sign, and I go on this like minute and a half tangent about how dumb this stupid sign is. One of my friends who is from Henderson, Sean Bingham, he's like, Yeah, have you seen this shit? It's ridiculous. I'm like, no, I looked it up, it was real. So we're just sitting here railing Henderson for it. And then it becomes one of our clips. Well, the city of Henderson comments on it and they say something along the lines of God, Corey, I wish you could find it.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Something about check us out again. Give us another chance. Give us another chance.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Give us another chance. We're just trying to put our best foot forward, yada yada, yada. We're sorry you feel that way. And I've just honestly, I've only leaned into it harder. I'm like, seriously, fuck that down.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

Uh so you moved to you moved to Hindu. What we what we'd never asked anybody though is like, what was your first job? Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

So I worked at Papa John's and Daddy Jonathan's. Me too, dude. Dude, how Papa John's supported me and my band for so long. Because like the the night shift manager at the time, he was a fan of us. Like, we're not nothing too crazy. What else drummer did you play? I'm the I'm a drummer, so that's and what was the band? It was so that band, we had a name change, but super immature. Uh, and we're Deathcore. Okay. So this is sick, dude. It's like my first metal band, like I've always wanted. Yeah. But our name was I Liked You Better Dead. And then like the next year we changed it to Despise the Flesh, a little bit more mature, I guess. Yeah, that's a little more like grind like uh black core kind of not that heavy core. Um you know the band I Declare War? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like that. Just blast beats for days and breakdowns and fast stuff. That's what's up, dude. We did that, and uh, he was into it, so like I worked there and I was like, hey bro, I know it's last minute, but I need off because we got a show. And he's like, Oh yeah, dude, for sure. But every time we had band practice, I would always just show up with pizza. And I'm like, hey dude, so uh is it cool if I make a like pizza or something like that? And he's like, Yeah, man, that's fine. Make whatever you want. For the boys, for the boys, dude. So I'm talking like 50 wings, all sauces mixed together. Fuck yes, dude. Like three extra large pizzas, breadsticks, and then like, bro, I'm not even lying. We would take like an actual, I guess, like case of two liters, prop it up. He's like, How much so? He's like, You don't don't worry about it. That's we did it once a week, man. So that was like our it was like our food for the week and all that stuff, and then like when we would go out of town and play, like, dude, we would just be chilling.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

Dude, I put a lot of people on to some like pizza grind because like I there's like a small pizza place in Boonville, and like occasionally if they need help, the like owner will call me. Oh, yeah, and it's like cash and then plus delivery and all that jazz, and it's like, dude, you can't beat that. That's like an extra hundred dollars for four hours of work. That's not Dante that you're working with, is it?

SPEAKER_04 16:33

Who do you work? No, okay, because I really want to get him on. Yeah, that'd be cool. Speaking of, anyways, at any rate, speaking of pizza, have you guys heard about Pizzagate? I'm just kidding. Um, I don't want to let's try to keep this show on YouTube. Um, so damn, dude. So so you're 12, you get here.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

Um by that by the the time he's working at Papa John's by not 12. You're in high school at that point. He's 12 slinging pies.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

I just turned 16. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:58

Nice, dude. So so you're in a band, you're you're slinging them pies. What else do you do in your free time? Like to keep to have fun in the city of uh Hindo. At the time or currently? Yeah, at the time.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Um like what is that's literally it. Uh I just lived to oh well, I gamed late at night and then I just played drums for hours. That's literally all I wanted to do. Like, um I was very gracious for like my dad, you know, being the pastor, like that was our practice space, was at my church. Yeah. And he is also a metalhead, so like nice, he wasn't like pr like just swaying us, like, oh, you can't be doing all that stuff. He's like, dude, keep on. Like grind harder. Well, I think that was like the most hardest, like, or not the hardest, but the coolest thing was like my dad, like, well, let's hear the new song. Like, let's figure it out, you know. Like, it was cool, it's like it was a bonding experience that like not very many people get to do it. Was he a musician as well by chance? Yeah, he's a where did he play? He's a guitar player. Nice, dude.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Um nice. Now he just plays the vocals in front of the complication.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Yeah, for the most part. He'll he'll fill in when he needs to. He plays the vocals.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

So yeah, sermons plays the vocals.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Yeah, we got it, dude.

SPEAKER_04 18:08

Golly, that was trash.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

But no, yeah, he's definitely just a guitar player. I mean, that's nice, dude. He fills in when he can, uh, but he plays out a lot just because it's like it's just like a part of him.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

So what did you like grow? So he's a metal head, you slowly get into metal as a young kid. What are you like growing up listening to? Like, what was some of the things that kind of he like influenced you on? Was it like a lot of Slayer, Megadeth, Pantera? Pantera. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Gotcha. So, like, walk is like my family's uh theme song almost. That's a religious thing, dude. That walk goes so fucking hard. Like every time family vacation, that first song, it's walk. Hell yeah, dude. Cranked max volume, yeah, as it should, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

Absolutely, absolutely, dude.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Um no. So uh what do you do after you graduate high school? Um after I graduated high school. Dude, literally, I was just a banner. Um I uh told myself I was gonna call gonna go to college, and I was like, I'm gonna take the year off. And then in that time European thing. Yeah, I guess. So you know, like we still won the war, particularly. It's alright now. But we just all ended up getting more serious with like the music and stuff. Um that's about we're the same time because were you guys recording? Yeah, so it was funny, it was just kind of like when we would record, uh, our guitar player and vocalist at the time, uh, they were brothers, so their their house was like a recording studio.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

Oh, it was a guitarist and then the vocalist.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Like he didn't play guitar, he was just the vocalist. Well, so Caleb and Graham, they could play every instrument. Oh, so they just kind of like wrote the guitars and they're like, Casey, I need you to add drums, like do your like Casey feels. Uh all that meant was pretty much doing like I was a cymbal player, so I would do like accents, so like the little mini china, little mini splash, and I had a a bell stack. Mini China, they call that Japan? Well, yeah, yeah. But I had a bell stack, a huge uh like a nine and a half inch bell, and then like a six-inch bill, and every time I hit it, it would resonate.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

Taiwan would have been better.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

That's enough. That's enough with your Asian culture.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Well, I mean, Japan would have been too far, but Taiwan actually makes sense. I think they actually make symbols in Taiwan too.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

Like popular there's a popular brand in there.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

And you weren't doing any of the mixing and mastering, you were just showing up and playing, and they were doing the mixing and mastering.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Yeah, like I was there for like uh when there was like a cool riff or something like that, I was like, dude, do that. But for the another the next measure, do it slower. Hell yeah. And then like we'll just cut it like halftime or something like that. I'm all about like those heavy breakdowns.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

Dude, those slow, it like it's the same chord progressions, but it literally there's like a font line and it just stops, and then it's the same progression, but halftime or even sometimes slower. Way slower. Dude, if it goes like so slow to where it's like, note, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Because when it kicks back, dude, you're about to vomit in your mouth. Obviously, like gotta have like the bass drop because there's this uh band My Children My Bride. I don't know them. How's that? I don't know. You never heard them, dude. They're like My Children, my My Children, like one word, My Bride, one word. No, their song On Wings of Integrity, and then uh Anathema, they do that and it's like the highest respect in like metal, which is the just that grunge, like that's nasty kind of look. And they do that, and like they do it where it's like your normal breakdown, where it's like the china's still going, and then it goes to the halftime and then it just stops, and when it stops, the bass drops is actually filling that gap. And then it comes back into how yeah, dude. I don't know, dude. It's just nasty. And I'm a I appreciate that. Right.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

Yeah, there's nothing better than it.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

It's like am I about to crowd kill people right now? Yeah. Because I'm about to.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Yeah. Is there about to be a wall of death? Yes. Uh okay, we'll get into metal after because Tom hates it when I talk metal for So you get you're basically in a leap year.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

You're heavy focus is the band. Is it the same group of guys the whole time?

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Uh for the most part. Uh so what happens is like that band goes on for a while. Uh I want to see three years maybe. And then we kind of dwindle. So what happens is Caleb just kind of gets off typical vocalist stuff. He's like, you know what? I just want to kind of do my own thing and focus on work, I guess, make more money. All right, that's cool. We'll keep in touch. And we did. And then um my brother-in-law, now uh back in the day, I know him from all the shows and everything. Yeah, because like our bands pretty much just played along with each other and everything like that. And he was like, Well, our drummer is wanting to be a vocalist more than anything. He started a band, it's getting more serious. You want to try it out for us? I was like, Yeah, dude, send me some like material. Uh so he did, and it's like you know no one fell to posh. Because I feel like me and you are in like the same, like uh what is it? Not uh scene, I guess. I feel like I've seen you at like the hatch or something. You know, you remember the hatch? You know, okay. There's another Grim, Josh. Don't know him. You don't know him? Okay, my bad. But during that time, like Don't let it happen again.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Uh no, just there's two different Grim families here in town.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Yeah. And then like my grandpa, like, his dad's basically offed himself when my grandpa was real young, so he doesn't know like half his family. Oh. And now he's got dementia, so he doesn't even know another half of his family.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

Dude, what if your grandpa was just like a way bigger slut? You know what I mean? And we're and we just don't know, and he had like a whole second family. Hold on a second. Hear me out, guys. Hear me out.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

What if there's a whole fucking don't look at me like that? What if there's like a whole group of like 80 grims just a lot?

SPEAKER_02 24:21

My grandpa kept his knees closed, you know.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

An aspirin between them. That would be dude. I'm fucking fantasizing about that, and that's awesome to meet.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

If you had like a fantasizing about my grandpa, being a slut. Uh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

All right, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

So you try out for this other band, so you're in like two bands. How did how did that go? How did that go?

SPEAKER_00 24:46

It went pretty good. They're like, okay, yeah, we're not even gonna try anybody else. You got the you're freaking in. I was like, cool. So my band was like, all right, hey, like we're officially breaking up. Uh so we actually had a show at I think I don't remember what that church was called, but it's right there, it's in Henderson, uh, right there in front of Lowe's, right next to Sonic. They had, which was crazy, they were like, hey, you guys can have this metal show. Uh, and that happened to be Despise the Flesh uh last uh show ever. So we headlined that one. And everybody else leaves the stage, but you just stay behind the gun. So fun fact. Uh and then also the new band, Wild the Buried Sleep, that's the one I joined, they were also on the same show. So I think I played, so we had like these other bands open up for us, and then the new band played, and then like whenever I joined Wild the Buried Sleep, uh the guitar player for my previous band was like, dude, there's like any way, like there's like another spot, or like or they want to add a third guitarist. Yeah. So I talked to my brother-in-law, and I was like, dude, so I got another guy, he plays guitar, but he also wants to join the band. What do you you want to add like a third guitarist or something like that? He's like, Well, dude, uh, I'm going back to playing guitar, so he can just play bass. So he just used his bass rig. So that show comes up and we play, and then me and Tyler just stay remaining there, like, okay, well, everybody else is like taking down like their calves and everything. Yeah. Tyler's bass amp is there. So I go freaking, you know, take a vis, get water, hang out, and I go back behind the set, wait for everybody else, and then Despise the Flesh, we played, and like that show got so crazy. Uh, like people were like crowd killing, slam dancing, all that stuff. Hell yeah. The fire alarm system ended up going off. Like it was so hot in there, yeah. And which was freaking cool. So, like, luckily, we played our last song, and like as the last song's going, like, all the lights are going off. So, we're just like, dude, this is sick, man. Yeah, yeah. And then like we finished and like, hey, um, uh, sorry to like interrupt, uh, but the fire alarm system's going off. We're like, okay, and they told us to go outside, and like that was the end of the show. Damn, but like everybody remembers that, so everyone's like, cool.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

You can always judge a metal show by how like fucking sick it was by like the craziest thing that happened there. Like, I've I it dude, if I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone try to like tell me how metal a metal show was, like, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Like, dude, it was fucking sick. Like a kid lost his fucking eye. You know what I mean? Or like, dude, it was crazy. This lady gave birth in the back fucking, you know what I'm like, dude, that's fucking that's pretty daggone metal, dude.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

That's fucking that goes hard, bro. I get it. Uh so how how how long do you play with that band?

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Um, so while the berries asleep, we actually that was like, I don't know, like how to like really explain it. We were the local band that actually took off. Um aside from Igin. I don't know if you ever heard of Igin. I think they're freaking huge, and they're here, like inevitable.

SPEAKER_04 28:03

So we know uh we know the Browns. So the the uh what's the brother's name?

SPEAKER_02 28:08

Tyler Brown is the brother of one of the main people in the Yeah, but who's I can't you can't remember his name.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

I don't remember. Sebastian, but I remember Sebastian, yeah. Yeah, Sebastian Brown. Crazy bass player, dude. So I met him, dude, and like crazy when you meet somebody from like a really hardcore metal band, and you're like, dude, this guy's gonna be like eyeliner, he's gonna have like fucking a necklace with ears on it or something. And like I met him, and he was just like in a fucking Fox t-shirt and like board shorts when I met him at uh fucking Buds, and I was like, Hey, you're Sebastian, like, what's up, dude? I'm like a big fan. He was like, Oh, dude, sick, bro.

SPEAKER_03 28:44

Yeah, I was like, he was just the nicest fucking guy.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

I was like, Oh, dude, you're not that scary. It it's always funny because like I remember when I first saw Igin, uh one, I was mesmerized because like that dude doesn't play with a pick. Most metal uh bass players play with picks nowadays. He does not, yeah, and um dude, they were like in a good way, like mean, like they're aggressive. I was like, dude, this is sick. I like this. Uh and I I want to say, and if I don't know if like I want to say they probably opened up with Oceano, that might have been a different show, I don't remember. But I know that they opened it up and it uh was like absolutely freaking nuts. Yeah, and I remember the vocals though, he came down and was like talking to everybody, and he's like, What's up, dude? Yeah, you know, like super calm. And then like there's this persona at that time where I'm like, this dude's just like, yeah, like don't freaking touch me. Go away.

SPEAKER_04 29:41

There has to be a moment where they like flip it on and they're just like, Alright, bro, I'll see you later. I gotta go show to play.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Yeah, and just oh angry, yeah, just straight angry, dude. Yeah, who are you? And that was my first uh impression.

SPEAKER_04 29:54

Yes, like the Batman move, you know what I mean? Like or Superman move. It's like, oh, Clark Kent. And then it's like, oh I'm Superman. Yeah, I'm Batman.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

But like um Impending Doom. They were like another huge like uh metal band I really liked, and I saw, and they just looked all like super like angry and mean, but they're like the ones like, so you guys want to go to CC's? Because I think CC's was right next to Bony Junes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and that's where I saw all that's where I saw itching for the first time was Bony Junes. A lot of people nowadays are like, I mean, I've heard of it.

SPEAKER_04 30:28

I was like, ah, dude, and it only lasts it was like a short stint, Bony June. I feel like it was only there like five years, six years. And that was like probably like some of the best years I've ever heard of it. Those were some of the best shows in town. They were bringing in the biggest fucking names, dude. Uh the wire was pretty sick. Wired was sick, they had good shows, but uh Bony Junes brought in bigger names, and I don't give a fuck what anybody said.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

I was more of a club oxygen kind of guy.

SPEAKER_04 30:54

Yeah, you had your fucking gay Yeezy shoes. God bless you. You had your gay little Yeezy shoes on in Club Med or whatever it was. This just in uh Thomas owns a set of Yeezys that he only wears at Oxygen Nightclub. Um, that's crazy though, dude. Okay, so so you're with this band for how long? How many years are you with them? Dude, I don't know. Was it like years years, or was it just like a short thing, like years?

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Probably five to six years, maybe. Damn, dude. We ended up getting signed to We Are Triumphant Records and everything like that. Uh played a lot.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Is this a Christian label? No. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

No, I even know if they're even still around that record label or anything. Okay. But um when you when you signed, was it like what's that look like? Um, so it was one of those things where we were at Rocket Town playing, and no one or vocalists was like, hey dude, so there's this record label that wants to sign us, and we were starting to look and everything and looking at all the bands the other signed or they had signed, and they're like saying this had to be right after we released our new song. Um Yeah, We Are Triumphant. Yeah. I don't even know if they're still around.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

Uh We Are Triumphant was a Boston-based independent record label founded in 2010 by Greg Long, specializing in metal core, hardcore, and alternative music, the label known for or the label known for launching artists like Neck Deep and Point North announced its shutdown in March of 2025 after 15 years. So to answer your question, but they rebranded. Oh, they rebranded? Oh, transitioning into a new entity called Life or Death, which is honestly a way fucking sicker name. What's a contract look like?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Like three albums or um, so I didn't know that side of the thing, to be honest, because I know like there was a FaceTime call that we had to do after a show in Rocket Town, and I worked third shifts, so I had Where were you working at the time? Walmart shift at Walmart stocking shelves. You put out greeter vibes, dude. Dude, no, I was not a people person. Uh like I don't know, like still to like this day. I get it kind of I get it. You just like look at some people and you're like, yeah, mm-hmm. You know, which is really hard because obviously being general manager for you know a gun tree club. Yeah. So sometimes I have those days. Hell yeah, dude. I get it. Yeah, but I had no idea that Eminence was actually on that record. I didn't know that. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

That's fucking so like what's uh what'd you guys have to do for him?

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Um, so essentially, after we released our new song called Blackbird, uh I don't even know. I guess it might have been Greg that we were talking to. He was like, Yeah, dude, so Blackbird's cool, your EP's dope, but we want to look at re-recording the EP or rewriting uh new tracks. We're like, why would we just go spend money and re-record an old EP when we can just write more music? We had three songs already ready to like record, and we were still trying to find our sound, but a lot of people were calling us like a mix between the Bring Me Horizon and the Amity Affliction. Okay, and um, but we were trying to go for that barrier kind of tone. You guys ever heard of barrier? I have not. They're nasty, they're a good one. Um we actually so their guitar player is the one that recorded we recorded Blackbird in a spare bedroom at his house.

SPEAKER_03 34:29

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

And it was actually like the best quality, like better quality like of our songs that we have. And when our EP we actually went to Rochester Hills, I don't even remember the studio, but it was like a legit studio that we recorded. Like Rochester in New York? Um Michigan. Okay. Michigan, yeah. Gotcha. We went there and it was like um it kind of it was a cool experience, but what sucked was like here it was warm and we went all the way up there and it was warm up there and it got cold. So our bodies, we all got sick. And so did our sound engineer. So the day that I tracked drums, which was the next day, I spent probably I want to say probably six or seven hours tracking. Uh explain that. I don't know what that means. Oh, like tracking. So like uh you go into like the the drum room or whatever it is, like your mic, your drums are mic'd, and then you didn't like sound tests and everything. But um so tracking is pretty much like um that's where those drums is what you're hearing. Yeah, that's what you're like is being recording. So um during that though, what sucked was just like the sound engineers like went up to our guitar players, like, hey Brent, it might have been even Nolan. He was like, hit spacebar to start it, and spacebar is stop it. Yeah, easy peasy. And he was like, Okay, well, where are you going? He's like, I'm just gonna go lay down for a little bit. And I'd never we never saw him the whole entire day until we were finished, and he was like, Alright, dude, yeah, I'll just take a look at it tomorrow or later on at night, and then we'll go from there if we have to re-retrack drums or anything. Didn't have to retract, but I sure wish I did in hindsight, you know, because it's just kind of like I know like my own imperfections on the EP, but I think that's what kind of makes it unique. You knew you can tell by listening to it, you're like, something wasn't right.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

And it was probably because you felt like dog shit.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

Yeah, yeah. And I don't and then, like, yeah, I was so congested. Like, I sounded like Darth Vader, like just trying to breathe. I just couldn't. But like, there is a specific part in like on the song, like, even when I listen to it to this day, because I am that weird guy that'll go back and reminisce, you know. Yeah, yeah. See that material that I put out? I get it. And then there, like, there's a drum feel that like I always forget, but when it comes to the part, I'm like, this is that part where I like I didn't complete the feel because I was like, da da da goom, and it's supposed to be like a full fill, but I like had like a moment where I was like, wait a minute, was that right? And I went back into it because there's like there's a click track that plays, you know, it keeps this all on time. Yeah. And um like a metronome? Yeah, metronome. That's what we call it a click track, which was um during like all of those, like when we actually were recording, because we were doing like we would do the practice run and then actually track. Brent or no one never actually played or turned on the click track. So like if you actually listen to our songs on the EP, it'd be one tempo to super fast to break down and be super slow and nasty.

SPEAKER_07 37:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

But it created a problem. So when we had backing tracks, because we played with backings to have like the a more full tone for our music and stuff, even when we played live, what you hear on the record or the EP, you'll hear it live. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The click track would be different almost in every section on some of the songs, and it would just be hard to kind of like because one, like when you're in the moment performing, uh, adrenaline kicks in. Oh, yeah. And one, you're hype too, so stage presence is everything for us. Um, but when you're doing stage presence and like your adrenaline is kicking, you're wanting to go faster, and that tempo changes, you're like, okay, well, I'm playing a little too fast, I gotta slow it down. And I could potentially throw us off to where we're playing, and all of a sudden you hear a random backtrack, which has only happened once, and it was at the Metzger's uh the amphitheater? No, the Metzger zoo.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

Yeah, yeah, they got an amphitheater there. What?

SPEAKER_00 38:30

I didn't know that. Was it outdoor down now? Huh? Was it an outdoor thing at the zoo? Yeah, well, no, it was in like a little Metzger shelter. Oh, yeah, the shelters. Dude, the shows in there so fast nowadays.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Really? Dude, like uh Tyler Brown, uh, he was talking about like, did Evansville will never have a metal show if everybody keeps calling. Like basically, like they do these metal shows there now, and like they'll pack it out and then people call the cops.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

Yeah, so that is common. Like the cops would always get called.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

It had nothing to do with the animals we were sacrificing. Yeah, like no games. It's just part of the it was just part of it, dude. Dude, it's our thing, bro. Like, fuck this goat, dude. You know what I mean? Like brutal.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

Fuck they don't either like yeah, the cops would actually get called. Uh just because like noise ordinance. Yeah, yeah. It's like, well, what do you expect?

SPEAKER_02 39:24

There's no other place to like really put on a motion.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Who's the asshole that let me book this spot? You know what I mean? Like, fuck you, dude.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

Dude, it was like we agreed on this, bro. Like, I know, dude. What are we doing, bro? It always seemed like no matter like where we played, except for like Boney Junes and like actual venues, right? Yeah, we were good.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Like walls and the ceiling.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Evansville for sure was really bad. Uh like the like the Metzger stuff, like which I think they were like, okay, well, you can't go until after this part, like like 10. Uh, then you guys would have to cut the show and everything like that. But I messed up on that show. Uh I think what happened was it's so stupid was my drumsticker got caught underneath my my bell stack and uh like I tried to draw it back and it popped on the snare and it threw everybody else off. But in a showmanship fashion, we just kept going. I just hit uh like pause real quick on the click track, yeah, and we just kept going like nothing ever happened. Hell yeah, dude. But except for when I watch it, I know that there's a mess up and I cringe every time. Like I don't even watch that video anymore.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

That's how that's how it is anytime I watch any of my own podcasts.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

I just no what's this uh what's this gray area from band to signing up for the Marines? What's what happens in there? Yeah, what happened there?

SPEAKER_04 40:44

Who hurt you? You know what I mean? Like what happened?

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Oh, dude, that's a whole different story, bro. So hurt you, bro. I'm glad you asked. So honestly, like that's a while back, dude. Um so after it was like 2019. It's like fucking six years ago. Okay, that is true, actually. But like you're like, it was so long ago, but trying to figure out what I did after uh was such like uh like between the band and then while while the buried sleep broke up, and I I was just angry, dude. I was like, this was my goal.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

Like that was your release for the anger, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Yeah, I was like, that's I I thought we were on the right track, and I'm confused like what what went wrong? And our vocalist Nolan was like, um, no, my brother-in-law actually quit the band and we were going to find a replacement, and then like it just wasn't going according to plan. And then our guitar player was just not responding, which was the vocalist to my other band. He was not responding. We would show up to his house, like, hey dude, we have one more show to play. Where you at? And we would show up to his house, knock on the door, we'd show up to his work. He wouldn't talk to us at all. So we did this one show, and it was just me, um, one guitar player, bass player, and then obviously like no one. Uh but um I mean after we like we broke up, I think I had to go get a big boy job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, I was like, screw everything. I just want to do that. I just want to make that money. Yeah, but I had to make money, so um Dude, that part of my life is such a blur.

SPEAKER_04 42:29

How old are you, do you think, when they break up? You're like twenty-five, twenty-six?

SPEAKER_00 42:35

I had to be like twenty-three, twenty-four, maybe. Okay, yeah. So I think that might have been a part where because I did quit Walmart um after the ban. And then I think I started painting with somebody because I was in between uh jobs. So I was painting with uh a buddy from the church.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Good money there, patience, patience, a lot of a lot of like prep and takedown.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Yeah, yeah, nobody wants to I'm painting a room in my house and I fucking hate it.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Dude, so like I hate it. It was one of those things where like like yeah, I'd always paint with my mom, like if we had like paint a room or the living room or whatever, but like I found like I was actually kind of good at painting. It's adjoining.

SPEAKER_02 43:18

If you if you're good at it, you know, and uh you don't to be good at it, it's just how much time you put into like prepping.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Yeah, like if we had to paint this room, taping off that whole window behind you, you know what I mean, and like the trim and so fun fact uh like I noticed like as I've progressed in that, like one, it was kind of therapeutic, like you see like this wall, and you're just like kind of mindlessly like painting, but cutting in like your focus, so it's like making time go by faster. But in my head though, like I'm not focused on this. I'm thinking of like, I don't know, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do later? That type of stuff where like it sounds cheesy, but like an argument that you had, and you're like, I should have said that, right? Those types of things, but like you stay take a step back, you're like Oh. It's it's different and it looks good. Well like now, like I've done a lot of painting um to the points where like I don't actually use tape anymore to like mask off like baseboards or anything. Just a cardboard or like a no, like even when I roll, like I will use like uh like a plastic or anything just because the splatters. Right. Um but like for cutting in and stuff like that, like the best way to explain it for me, like it's almost like just picking up a pencil and just like lightly placing it and just like pulling down.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

I painted for years and I still use like a putty knife and what yeah that works too.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

Yeah, uh I'm painting a room at my house if you want to come wrap this shit up for me. Send that advantage. I'm fucking I'm fucking done with it, bro.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

So what do you do after painting?

SPEAKER_00 44:43

Uh after painting, dude. So I went uh I went and worked with my girlfriend's dad at the time. It was it's pretty much making like insulation blankets for like pipes and everything. Uh it was the it wasn't bad. It was kind of like more mindless work, and I was actually kind of good at too, but it was miserable because like my skin is like kind of sensitive anyways. But dealing with constant terrible. I looked like a crack addict. I'm the same line. My inner, like uh like my forearms and stuff was so scratched up. Fiberglass.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

And they would say there's a way to get it out. Not because I used to work around fiberglass a lot, um, and I would get it in me all the time, and I like in my arms and shit, like in my forearms. Yep. And there's a way, there's a way to do it, and it's been so long since I've had it. I does duct tape sound right? There's something ticks. There's something you can do to like get fiberglass out of your arms at least. I don't know. It's maybe it's something you pour on your skin, like a gel or something, you just like pull it off. I'm not sure. There's something, Corey. Can you look up how to get fiberglass out of your skin? And while we look it up, we should pause real fast. Yeah. And take a quick break.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

I got a pee.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

If I wanted my comeback, I'd get it off your fucking upper lip.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

Got him, dude.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Dude, I saw I saw a reel the other day.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

You don't even fucking Is it recording?

SPEAKER_04 46:12

Yeah. Alright, well then fuck whatever you're talking about. Uh all right, so we're back. Uh we just wanted to make a beer run and then we had to check on something real quick. So we're back. Um, but we were just talking about fiberglass, right? And how to get it out of your skin, and I was not full of shit. This is actually actually the second time now, almost some back-to-back weeks, that I've pulled random knowledge out of my ass, and I was correct. Um Well, the the peyote, I was right about the fucking um not peyote, but the cactus thing, and now I had mentioned duct tape, but it does say one of the um one of the ways to get fiberglass out of your skin um is by putting duct tape on the on the area and like really letting it sit and then yank that fucker off. It's gonna suck, but it's better than having fiberglass in your own. Oh, whatever. That shit sucks, dude.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

So what made you choose to sign up to enlist?

SPEAKER_00 47:01

Oh, so yeah, who hurt you? We were talking about that. Who hurt you? Okay, so we'll fast forward to that. So I was working I won't even name it yet. But like I was working at a job and uh became really cool friends with like the the boss and stuff like that. And I'm married at this point. There you go. I'm married at this point. So okay, you got married between between uh fiberglass. So right after uh working at the uh with fiberglass, I think the year after. Okay, yeah, the year after I actually did get married.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

Um, okay, so that's what the pause was for. Okay, I thought you were like waiting for me to tell you congratulations. I was about to like I got married.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Nobody, nobody, nobody. That's the reason why I went some ring corn, had the Britney breakdown. I got you, I got you. So she hurts you. She did. So, all right, um And we don't have to get into that either. We won't. I mean, we'll just we'll we'll touch away. Because it is like that's a whole freaking like long discussion, anyways.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

We'll do another podcast on that if you want, dude. If you want to, let's hash these feelings out, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 48:10

I mean, I'm actually it might actually help somebody out there. Who knows? You know, I was in a similar boat.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

I was engaged, we wanted to have a kid, got her pregnant, she left me for a coworker, and that's like a whole, you know, uh it's like being, you know, I was young, I was thinking I was like 21 at the time. Yeah, and that's like a whole game shift of like, yo, I got a kid, I did all this prep work, we're having a kid, and we're no longer together, and I lost myself in that time. Yeah, like I mean, it was it was I lost myself trying to find myself, and it didn't happen until it was like I don't want to be here anymore, and then you try, and then you're like, I do want to be here, and then you just kind of start putting the pieces back together. So yeah, brother.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

That's almost pretty much like how it went, but like, um, so like I had started with that job, well, it was like restoration, so um was pretty much like going through that, and then like just one day, uh old girl was just like, you know what, like I can't do this. I'm done. What? Like we talking about right so long freaking story short, we separate for about six months. In the six months, I am one, obviously, like rightfully so pissed off and angry, like, okay, what's going on? But it was also kind of like a blessing because I really figured out who I was, like, or like who I wanted to be, and really got everything kind of ship-shaped of like what I wanted to do. And I was definitely doing like some like soul searching and kind of like okay, what is it that Casey wants to do? Not what people think I should do because it makes more money. Yeah, and I was actually like um see, I was doing um a drawing essentially, so I was an estimator, so I went into the houses and like that were damaged. I would measure like the walls and everything, kind of figure out what's going on, take pictures. Well, I was putting that into the sketch for like the program to kind of get like the square footage and everything, and I had two screens, so I was a little bougie. One screen was my working screen, the other one was just like YouTube listening to music, My Children, My Bride, that type of stuff. I gotcha, and then an ad came on, it was the Marine Corps, and I was like, I'm good, dude. Like, that's dope, you know. Like, I loved watching like uh drill instructors just screw with recruits. It was fun, you know. Like, it's the best, dude. It made my hands and feet sweat, so I was like, dude, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 50:31

It made my it made my feet sweat. It did.

SPEAKER_00 50:33

I was like getting all like answers like, ah, dude, that would be crazy, man. And then I just had like that moment, like, I'm just gonna talk to a recruiter, you know, just kind of see what it's all about. And like what a lot of people's like, well, where'd that come from? What's going on? I was like, you already know what's going on. Like, obviously, like um I'm separated, so I'm hurt. I'm falling apart, brother. But like, but I was like, what better time? Like, obviously, there's I'm like, my life is kind of shifted already, so why not make this shift already and kind of figure it out? And then uh I was going back, I was like, I've already I've always had that itch to go to the military, anyways. But like at first I was looking at the army, that's what my grandfather did. Oh, yeah, brother. Uh so I was like, okay, maybe I'll go that route. And then I was watching like the Marine Corps stuff, and I was like, you know, like they're the ones that keep it.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

I'm right here. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

So I hit up the freaking recruiter, got to talk to him, built a relationship, uh, did did the thing, and then it's boot camp.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

I I always like you hear Goggins talk about you know, Navy SEALs, boot camp and all that jazz. So I was like, Marine boot camp. Uh every every Marine we've had in is like, dude, it's not like Goggins make it makes it out to be.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

But like I don't think Goggins is talking about fucking boot camp. I think he's talking about fucking Navy SEAL BUDS training. Yeah, but yeah, uh, so that's two totally different things. Boot camp is easy though. I thought. What did you think?

SPEAKER_00 51:57

Yeah, like physically, like it was physically demanding. It was all mental though, because like you know, like obviously initially, and I I guess like for you, like you get there, like you're hype, like, dude, like a sense of, oh, this is real, this is happening, yeah, this crazy, and I'm digging it. Like, I'm about to face fuck or get face fucked.

SPEAKER_04 52:15

Exactly. But someone, some face fucking is about to happen.

SPEAKER_03 52:18

Yeah, it was you're just fucking amped.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

It's so funny because like at as I was leaving um uh maps and everything to go to Paris. Louisville. Yep. Louisville maps, and uh everybody's like getting hyped, you know, like I'm gonna be guide, I'm gonna be the freaking squad leader and all that stuff. Like we're all hyped up and stuff. Yeah, dude. I'm gonna do that. Mind you, I'm riding all of them. I'm riding a long freaking bus ride, okay?

SPEAKER_02 52:40

And you're one of the older guys, right?

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Yeah, I'm I went in at 26. I was not the oldest. They probably called you like grandpa or they call me at first, they were calling me uh the grand old man of the Marine Corps. Grand old man of the Marine Corps, and I was like, why me though? Because like our scribe was 32 at boot camp. And we're like, how did you get in? Because like the Marine Corps boot camp or like the Marine Corps standard like age cutoff limit is 28. Yeah. And he's like, Oh, I'm a pianist and I got a waiver for the Marine Corps band. That's why I'm here. I was like, that's a thing. And he's like, Yeah. I was like, what'd you say about your dick, bro? I was like, okay, dude. What'd you say about your dick, dude? Yeah. So like it's so funny because like, but going like that's like being on that bus ride to Paris Island, everybody's getting hyped up. Hell yeah. The moment we got to like Paris Island, the the bus driver stopped. He said, Alright, everybody put your face in between your legs and don't look up until I tell you to. Hell yeah, dude. But that's where everybody's like morale was just like, okay, we're hyped to Oh. Like it just was dead silent. And like now, like you're starting to get nervous and everything. Yeah, is this death by firing squad? What did I say? Yeah, I was like, what is going on? And I you later find out it's just because they want you to do that so you don't like try and escape the island because Paris Island is on an island. Yeah, yeah. And there have been some recruits that have gotten off the island, which they always get caught. Cause they're all green on green, you know, shaped head.

SPEAKER_04 54:12

I could see that being a problem, though. That's like losing a chimpanzee out of the zoo. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. That's a wild card right there, dude. That's a violent human being that is in a weird mental head space. And if that dude gets loose to the public, we gotta make some characters. We gotta we gotta make some fucking phone calls, you know, bro.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

We gotta fucking get some tranks, some tranquilizers, get some Helos up, dude.

SPEAKER_02 54:35

So you go through boot camp, you get out. Do they make you pick before you go into boot camp like what you're gonna specialize in?

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Yeah, so you take like the ASFAB and everything, and then like they lay out like papers and stuff, and um, I I was going in, I was not gonna get punked. Like, you know, the recruiters like, hey man, like I had this one guy, he would always piss me off. He's a good dude. Uh, he'd be like, hey man, I really need someone to go to boot camp like next week, and it's for data analyst. It was motor T. I'm like, you're older, you know, I'm sure you like to drive. I'm like, I'm not going to the Marine Corps. I'm sure your drive hurt, you know what I mean? Do you do your ankles hurt? You're old. They creak snap and everything. I was 26. That's Corey.

SPEAKER_04 55:20

You're laughing, but that's that is ancient for the military.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

It is, because you know, like man, I don't even know it all.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Yeah. Dude, Corey, think about it like the NFL. The NFL, right? Like, if you go into the NFL at like 26, you're fucking you're on the upper end, though. You've got 23-year-olds running four threes blowing you out of the water. I'm just saying, dude. But at any rate, so so what is so what do you wind up uh locking into?

SPEAKER_00 55:46

Uh so I locked into being a combat engineer, uh, dealt with explosives. Hell yeah. Uh it was more like later on, like there was so much stuff that we had to do, which was like um Don't you have to fill up like Huskell barriers? Yeah, so that's like one of them, like uh air damage repair for like uh airfields, which I hated that section. That was so dumb. I was not all about that one. Like repaving shit. Yeah, and like doing like temporary uh like sheets of whatever it was. I don't even remember because that was like the only time I did that was at uh the schoolhouse. Um survivability position, so you're digging every like the holes, trenches, and then filling Hesco. Hell yeah. World War I shit. I get it. How do like the lumber and the timbers and uh so we did mobility and counter mobility.

SPEAKER_04 56:30

So we all right, here we go. And a one and a two, and uh we're back. Okay. Sick, dude. Um, damn, we're just falling apart today.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

Uh so you're you're developing like doing building Husco barriers and all this jazz.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

Yeah, so um my unit was into doing like the route clearing, which is like where you see the minefield sweeping.

SPEAKER_02 56:52

And this is in another country?

SPEAKER_00 56:54

No, this is all like this is my schoolhouse and like what my job actually was to do. Hell yeah. And survivability positions, like you're setting up like sea wires and all that stuff to Constantine wire. Yep, like fancy barbed wire. It's dumb because it tears your camis all the time. Yeah. Or counter mobility, which was the cool part. Uh, if there's like an obstacle in the way, we blew it up.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

Fuck cut it up, so cut it up, daddy.

SPEAKER_00 57:17

Which is cool. That was like my favorite part of it. It was like not just a shooting, but dealing with a whole lot of explosives. And then I did get voluntole to do like um urban breachers course. Uh that's where you see the cool guy where you're like, I'm gonna go put the no, that's where you go put the charge on the door or like a wall, a roof, whatever, and you're blowing it in. That's where you're getting like the high speed stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was cool.

SPEAKER_04 57:41

Uh, I did that, and then uh by the way, speaking of that, I've got this crazy idea. I was thinking about robbing a bank lately or recently. So, like, can we follow back on that later? So I wanna get your thoughts on some stuff. Some walls and stuff. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

No, that's that's fucking gnarly, dude. Blowing up walls and shit. It was cool because it even like where my unit was, we uh if you know anything about the Marine Corps, like we get pocket change from the Navy. Yeah. So we're not like well funded. Well, the infantry is now. If you see their gear, it's dope. But like we didn't get all we didn't always get like manufactured like explosive like crating charges, um, claymores or anything like that. So like we got the C4, but we'd have to do expedient charges where that would show us like, all right, we have to use this certain material, this is how we do it, how we create it to standard and make it ourselves. Thought that was pretty cool. That was the fun part of the job. Oh yeah. And then after Urban Preachers, of course, he was voluntole to go be op four or opposing force for the Raiders. Uh so shout out to Paul Lindbergh right there. Um, they tore us up, like it was force on force, shooting with simmunition rounds. Uh, but our whole goal with them was to it was like pre-deployment stuff for them. So whatever their mission was, we hate we got like the brief like, hey, stop the raiders. Just get in the way, yeah, get in their ways, do be creative, but play the part to like wherever they're going. And they get you out there in a little man dress. I was in a man dress a couple times.

SPEAKER_04 59:08

I bet you look good in a damn man dress, bro.

SPEAKER_00 59:10

I got a bit I got some videos where it's just kind of like questionable. Yeah. Because I mean they had like they did have fake goats just sporadically throughout everything. So you can only imagine like what all the Marines did. This is my speed, dude. This is my speed, dude.

SPEAKER_02 59:27

They watched a guy get it on with a goat when I watched a guy fuck a goat in the middle of Afghanistan.

SPEAKER_04 59:31

True story. I'm not surprised. Yeah, it's that real shit. Wild, bro. Watched it from start to completion, like the whole time. From distance, like how far are we talking? Uh it was on the I Raz, IFAS, whatever that, whatever that big ass camera is that they deploy on camps. Because I stayed at a cop and there was like this fucking hundred foot tall, they called it the eye in the sky. It was I something, but it's infrared camera that can see the entire valley. That's awesome. This dude was like six miles away. I mean, it was like watching somebody fuck a goat on the moon. He seemed that far away. But then the definition, I mean, uh, you can see everything, dude. I mean we could zoomed in. That's awesome. We could see his peg. You know what I mean? It was fucking it was fucking nice, dude. Uh yeah, in the infrared.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:17

So did you ever deploy? So, I mean, we were in a pre-deployment stage to where like we went to Bridgeport and everything, and like that's where a lot of it got like super dicey because like so we were getting ready to go to Africa and everything, which we which we did. Oh, okay. But what was crazy was this was the time like I went in during COVID, and COVID like popped off when I was in MCT Marine Combat Training, yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh the whole uh lockdown and everything, I had no idea that happened. Like I was out in the field doing like the combat training portion of it, like the final part. Yeah, and we came back and our combat and church was like, hey, yeah, so no one's actually coming to see you for your graduation because they all hate you. Yeah, uh so get wrecked, uh, you're going straight to the schoolhouse. Yep. We thought they were joking, and they weren't. And then until I got my phone, like my um that's where you start to see like the pictures where it was like 28 days later. Yeah, like people in like this hazmat suit and everything. I'm like, what is going on? There's like dead bodies in the street.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

You're like, what the fuck are we doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

I know. But what's crazy is like Camp Lejeune was like not on Camp Lejeune was on a lockdown, but it wasn't like that, you know, like we were still operating normally. And uh, but like so I refused the vaccine, but it was a long, drawn-out process because like it was heavy to where COVID doesn't exist right now, and then oh, if you don't have the if you don't get the vaccine, you're getting kicked out.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:41

You know what's so fucked up about that? I'm glad we this just registered in my brain. I I got the Johnson and Johnson shot, right? It doesn't have to get sunscreen anymore. One and done. I don't have to wear sunscreen anymore. Fun fact. However, that being said, uh the Johnson Johnson and Johnson, or I call it the triple J, um, they're now uh in some sort of crazy fucking lawsuit because like totally healthy people that have I know, aren't you afraid to work out now? No, fuck no, dude. I ain't scared of shit, bruh. Uh but no, people that are completely fucking healthy have now are on the are on record having strokes and shit. Yeah. And it's because of a genetic disposition, um, just something in your genes. I didn't get it either, Casey. Yeah. I I wish I wouldn't have.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

I regretted it like immediately. So I was debating on doing that to the one and done. But like there there were so much like I guess like false threats. Like everybody's like, yeah, dude, if you get kicked out, you're gonna get a dishonorable discharge. Like, okay, like right now, like I can tell this is like political gain right now. And I stood hard on that. Like it was cool because there were so many Marines I was like, I ain't getting it. Screw it. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:48

Sticking to the man.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:49

They were sticking to it, and then all of a sudden, like the the repercussions were just getting worse and worse and worse. And they're like, okay, then now like Oh, they're like actively disciplining you? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

Like the more you dude, my work charged me uh twenty dollars a paycheck for not being vaccinated. That's really stupid. That is dumb.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:05

When you look back on it, and especially knowing what we know now, like with all of the the health, all the all the health concern that there is with the shots, especially the folks that got the boosters. Oh, I know. And then now with the Johnson Johnson, bro, perfectly healthy fucking individuals like me just having fucking strokes. Like just that's fucking wild.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

I know that's terrifying. That's fucking wild. I actually like I hate that for everybody, man. It's just because like it one, it's scary, you're taking like super healthy people, and like people are like actually like trusting these people, yeah. And then now like you just screwed them over in their life, you know, like whatever they're getting a payout like through the day.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:39

Not even that, but like like you're saying, they were like actively disciplining you, and then like like you were saying, they're fucking taking money, they were garnishing your fucking wages, like gosh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

Rudd. Yeah, like so like like it did disappear and kind of slowed down. And then we went to Bridgeport, which is like where we do all like the mountain warfare training. It's like cold, it's super cold, but it was definitely an experience, but like during that, it's just kind of like hey, you gotta come down off the mountain real quick to sign papers. First time I signed this paper four times. Well, yeah, well, we lost it. Well, I'm doing a religious exemption. Well, you're you didn't have a comma right here, so you gotta resubmit it. Add a comma, resubmit. And it was just over and over and over. And I was like, I'm done with this. Like, if you you just toying me at this point. So at this point, I was like, I'm done. I accepted it. I was like, if I get a dishonorable discharge, it is what it is. I will fight it in court. And so they did that, and then they dropped it to her like, oh, well, you're just gonna get a general under honorable. Cool, I'll take it. I'll sub um I gave up my GI Bill, essentially.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:41

I would yeah, so but like I would fucking no, sir, dude, I would fucking lose my mind, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:53

But like two years ago though, they were uh they some oh I don't remember what it was. I got an email to where like, hey, so I have the email or like the a screenshot. It was an email saying, like, hey, so we realize like we messed up and we kicked you out, we kicked you out unlawfully, so if you want to come back in, that'd be cool. And like if you want to reach out to the Department of Navy to have your uh discharge changed to an honorable, this is where you go. So I did that. I haven't heard back from the Navy in two years. Shocker, right? But it is what it is, because I mean, like, I don't know, like I'm already dealing like with all the stuff like the VA and everything like that. That as you know, like it's it's a process of the stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:32

Oh dude, you're better off just fucking buying drugs under a bridge, bro. I mean, honest to God, like that's where it's at. You know, dude, I went through the fucking um just recently, the the uh what do you call it? Like the when disability bullshit. Like I put it off for years. I got out in twenty thirteen. I didn't claim my disability until like just last year, twenty twenty five. So I put it off that long just because a lot of talking. For for whatever, for whatever reason. Bro. I put it off for a very, very long time. But then get going through the disability thing. Mine was I have broken records with how fast I got it done. And it was five months. Really? From start to finish. I'm still going through it. And it's still not like um it's still not like where I want it to be. I want to get uh a hundred percent obviously eventually. But that's I'm at 80 now, so yeah, it's just it's definitely been a long process.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:25

So when you get out, how do you land lawman? Uh so I guess when you get out, it's probably a lot of like you know, refinding yourself again for like the Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:33

I hated life for a while. Like the transition, like, yeah, I was in for three years, but like I don't know if you call it brainwashing and stuff, but like there's just certain things like when you go from a mindset of being around like these these people that are all on the same page to going to people like I remember someone pissed me off at Walmart and it's like, oh, like I hurt my uh my shin. I think I need to go like the urgent care, like it hurts really bad. I'm sitting here like looking over here, I was like, dog, I broke my foot twice in the Marine Corps and I just kept going. I didn't know because I was like, one, I'm not getting recycled, and two, like I didn't I never broke a bone up until then, so I didn't know. I like I know it freaking hurt, but I was like, you know what? I'm gonna keep going with it. We're gonna roll with it. I can walk on it, it's fine. Exactly. Like I had a little pimp limp, but it was okay. It's fine. So uh and I I was just angry all the time. Um, but I mean, other than that though, like obviously, like, yeah, I did adapt to it, but um the VA, I did do a lot of stuff like counseling with VA. As soon as like I got out, that's gay too. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:30

Well, I don't need more. I don't need more though. We're gonna have to we're gonna have to do a swap because we're gonna be over our limit. But just so you know, there's no I will advocate for you to get fucking the therapy you need, right? I'm a big advocate now in the last few years for therapy. It's helped me quite a bit, uh, tremendously now that I've found a a decent therapist. But that's the key is getting the fuck away from the VA. Yeah. Because they make pennies, they don't pay these people shit, they don't pay them anything. So rightfully said, they don't give a shit about their job, right? Yeah. So if they're not making dog shit money, you know, like they're not gonna care. So your best bet is to get your own insurance, like through lawman or whoever, and then go private, go private sector and go get find go through therapists privately and find somebody that works your try some EMDR. Yeah, dude. That shit's fucking nice. Hell yeah, dude. But uh, at any rate, that's my advice to you. So I did the VA therapy for fucking months. I went to like a dozen therapists through the VA, it was dog shit the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:25

And you pretty much just talk about your life a little bit. Yeah, and you tell them that's all it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:29

You tell them one story about a guy fucking a goat in the woods, and they're like, okay, this guy is not allowed in here anymore. You know what I mean? Like, like it's my fucking fault, dude. Like, who the fuck are you? John? Who's the fucking serve? Yeah, dude. Most likely they didn't, though, you know. So fucking sitsies, dude. Uh, but yeah, at any rate, dude. Um, do you just want to do a hot swap now? Let's just do it.

unknown 1:08:50

All right. Because we're gonna run out of time.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:52

What? Yeah, dude. She kissed Katie Berry? Yeah, she kissed that 10-year-old. Oh, okay. She French kissed that 10-year-old, and then her career just took a dive after that. But after uh but all before that, like pre- uh 2K16, like and before, all her shit is just fucking gas. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:09

Gas.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

Yeah, performance was fire. Yeah, dude. Uh, so I can't really do Taylor anymore, but I did do a lot of like pre-like before we'd go out on missions in Afghanistan, I'd do fucking Katy Perry. Like firework.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

That one was dope. Dark Horse was one of the things. Dark Horse, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:23

Yeah, fuck California girls, bro? Yeah. What was that one where she uh what's the song, Corey, where she says, uh touch me in my tight pants? Teenage Dream, that one's nice. Dude, get daddy on fire up, dude. Ready to kill. Um what's that? What is your actual identity? Filipino. No fucking way. Filipino and world. You weren't- I thought you were joking earlier. No, I was just serious.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

Like 100% or like 50-50. My dad is half Filipino. I'm just a quarter, and my grandfather's full straight. So were your grandparents? My grandfather came over here straight from the free. So you eat fish eyes. I do not, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:02

So my they I dated a Filipino chick and they were like, eat the eye.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

But you are, dude, okay, so yeah. Uh yo, you y'all Filipinos are wild, bro. Hold on, hear me out. The egg thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:13

It's all about Stellas.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

The fucking egg thing with the fucking baby bird in it, which is crazy. Y'all are fucking wild, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:20

I I I know for a fact though. Y'all are wild, man. That's where like the white side of me is like, phew. Cause like uh there's more side of like the family where like there's these Filipinos down in uh Madisonville through a surprise birthday for my grandfather that's sick for his 90th birthday. This was years ago, and uh my mom was like, Yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's a surprise birthday party, or we're just gonna grill out. And bro, I let me tell you, I was so let down because like I'm we're there in Madisonville uh community park waiting for my grandfather. There he is, everything's cool, he's awesome, all joy knowing shit, just all small, tiny, super small, and they bring out all this food, and it smells good, and then like, dude, I kid you not, like me and my little sister, we like take off this uh aluminum foil and it's fish. And I kid you not, it looks like they just caught it, threw it on the grill for like five minutes. Yeah, maybe that scales on it and everything, scales, the eyes were singed, and I'm like, Alright, so let's get in there. And I was like, I ain't touching that. Luckily, like my aunt brought like uh the fried rice and everything, so I was like, okay, I'm just gonna live off that, but we hit the egg rolls are decent. Yeah, the egg rolls are always like good and stuff like that. Like, yeah, yeah. I only eat my like when my grandfather made them the only time I would eat those.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:38

Dude, uh speaking of pastors, dude, we were talking to uh Clear Running Water. What was that gentleman's name again? Um I'm fucking blanking on his name. We we uh interviewed a pastor a while back who does a lot of missions trips. Yeah, he he has this program where he goes to Africa every so often, once a year or something like that, digs wells, um, funds it all through his church, uh, through his ministry. But at any rate, he was telling me about a time that he went to the Philippines and he was like, Yeah, and he said the name of it. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:04

It's like Corudo.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

Yeah, it's not Manudo, that's a Hispanic thing. Corey, Google what they call the bird egg in the Philippines, the food, bird egg, Philippines.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:12

These bird eggs atch at like 29 days and they eat them at 28 days.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:16

They eat them at 28 days. It's a fully developed fucking bird in there. Yeah, just Google, because I don't want to miss. So, anyways, he was telling he was telling us about his trip to the Philippines and he was like, Yeah, you guys gotta go. It's fucking sick, dude. He didn't say that. He's a fucking bastard.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:30

Uh you know what I'm saying, but Philippines. Philip, he's getting he's getting close, bro. Uh Philip K. Dick. We're gonna get there. I just got lightheaded and I laughed.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

My nine-year-old just taught me that there's a microphone button on the MacBook.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:48

I was trying to show somebody something. I couldn't spell calendar. Calendar. Yeah, I was forgetting how I just hit the button. I was like, calendar.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:56

Dish, yes, do that. Okay, so balut. That's that's what it's called. So anyway, so he's telling us about his trip. He was like, oh, dude, it's sick. And we were like, all right, cool. So what was some cool stuff you ate over there? And he was telling us about like the octopi and like all the weird stuff they eat. And then and then and then and then he goes, Have you guys ever heard of balut? And I was like, No, what I was like, so Tom and I were like locked in listening to this balut store. He was like, Yeah, basically. Uh, and I'll just read this. It's a uh Premier Filipino bird egg delicacy, a fertilized duck egg, usually 14 to 18 days old, that is boiled and eaten in the shell, featuring a developed embryo, yolk, and savory broth. It is a popular street food, often served warm with salt, chili, garlic, and vinegar to enhance its rich savory flavor. None no adjectives can you add to that makes makes fucking savory? I'm not eating a fully developed duck, bro. He said he ate it and he said like I could feel like I knew when I got to the beak. Like the beak was like he had to grind it up. And the reason you didn't try the eyes? No, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:09

I looked at it, I was like, I ain't touching that. What's the what's the weirdest meat you think you've ate?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:13

Ooh, this bringing it back. Nice, dude. Nice, dude. Say horse. Say horse. No.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:18

No, dude, I would like to. Dude, all right. So I'm a picky eater, though, so I don't know, probably mutton. So I mean that's probably uh sheep. Oh, okay. That's nothing, dude. That's nothing. That's probably like the weird thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:31

So, okay. I we're diverging away from the military. Let's get back to the military. So, real quick, a lot of a lot of folks are gonna this is gonna air when, Thomas? Two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:41

Well, not this Tuesday, but next Tuesday.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:43

Yeah, so two weeks from now. So this is a hot topic now. I don't know if it's all gonna be done in two weeks. Well, it'll probably be oh yeah, yeah. It'll probably be over in two fucking weeks, honestly. 100%. Yeah, you know what? Because America don't fuck around, right? Neither does Israel. Right. So that being said, uh, the cat's out of the bag. We be blowing shit up in Iran all of a sudden, and this happened like overnight. So the what I've gathered in. Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:05

There's different like so like what's happening in Iran. Somebody just tell me what's happening there. I need to know too. Like, so like the same way we dropped the bunker buster because they thought about having nukes. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so like we dropped the bunker buster and then they were like, eh, we still got it, you know what I mean? Like stuff like that. It's like there's there's two sides of every story, and we live in this age where you don't know what's real and what's not anymore, you know. So like we came out and we were like, we got their so like we got their top guy, not not the prime minister, not the president, but like the guy that's second to God. They called him the supreme leader. Like their pope. Yeah, the supreme leader. They were like, we killed him, but then like a few hours later, he did like a live stream speech. So like maybe we didn't get him.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:49

Look at our man Trump here throwing up a Black Panther's fist. Fuck yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

Fuck yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:55

But I I don't think we fully why is US attacking Iran.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:02

Okay, so this will break it down for us. The United States and Israel launched uh their most ambitious attacks on Iran in decades on Saturday in an operation. Again, this is on February 28th. Uh, this article was written. Um per rooters.com. Uh so their largest attack in decades on Saturday in an operation that killed Supreme Leader, not even gonna fucking try that name.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:25

Ayatollah Ali Kaminella.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:28

Caminella. Vanilla. Vanilla uh Camilla Vanilla. And the biggest foreign policy gamble of the United States president Donald Trump's presidency comes after he campaigned for re-election as a peace president. And after saying he preferred a diplomatic solution to the standoff with Iran. Trump did not make a sustained case to the American people before acting, but addressed the issue briefly in his State of the Union speech last Tuesday, and then in a video message released on Saturday, laying out the following key objectives, and then um there's some objectives or whatever. So essentially, um what I've gathered from this is like I so the global community fucking hates Iran just in general because we've told them for years, like, yo, dog, like stop trying to build nukes, and they're all like, yo, we're gonna keep trying to build nukes. So that's why the global community hates.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:28

Iran just hit a world record, though. They bombed like they bombed uh the United Arab Emirates. Like they just l released basically like bombs on everybody around them. That's hot. Like they bombed Dubai, they hit like a handful of different other areas.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:44

Yeah, Bahrain at any rate, so then, but also the same on that, so that's like the reason why the whole world hates Iran, at least like the sovereign nations that are friends with America and etc. hate Iran. But then apparently there's been beef between Iran and um Israel forever, and they've been attacking. You've seen that in the news, right? The last year and a half, two years, they've been just bombing each other back and forth, trooping each other up, whatever. Um I guess at some point at some point Israel was like, hey, we're gonna full scale invade Iran, and then Trump was like, Let's do it. You know what I mean? Like, we're on both.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:22

Yeah, but if you if you look at it from like a like a side cost perspective here, like are are those those sweet ass interceptive missiles, the the Iron Dome basically, yeah, even though they have like Iron Dome 1.0 and we have like 2.0 here in the States. Yeah, each one of those missiles costs like 40 to 50 grand to intercept a missile, right? Yeah. Well, Iran's launching like two$300 missiles, and we're spending like 400k hitting each one of them out of the sky. Yeah. And like uh I saw last night I actually watched a video of like Iran launched like 300 missiles, but 300 times$300, you know what I mean, versus 300 times 40k.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:00

Yeah, if you get into a war of attrition, what's gonna wind up happening is is you're gonna go bankrupt and their little fucking peace shooter missiles are just gonna keep coming.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:08

Iran actually came out with some pretty sweet drones too that are like dirt cheap and like they can fly so low that they get through certain systems. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:19

Since Ukraine. Oh, it's wild, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:21

Have you seen the drone the fucking kamikaze drones? Yeah, yeah. Bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:26

It's scary because like they're talking about it like being the new uh Yeah, the new Age of Warfare. That and then once once we get these robotics where guys are like running, and all you hear is the like it gets closer, and he's like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got all those guys that wear the uh PvP the goggles and they fly like dude, they do like 200 mile an hour races with those things. Imagine once you strike from C4.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:51

What are your thoughts on Iran? Uh, do you know anything about that country? I don't know really dick about them. Me neither. I just know they've been trying to build nukes, dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:57

So I know that's all I know. Like, I am like the worst person for like when it comes to this.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:02

Nobody, nobody thank God. I'm so bad at the news, bro. I don't watch it.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:05

I don't watch it, dude. Especially like with all the stuff that's going on, especially like for like because like this is my weekend with my daughter, so yeah. I ain't paying attention to that, but I'm definitely like saying stuff because you know you Facebook scroll and see everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:16

Nobody nobody will win a war in that area. No ever. No. I mean that that area, if you're religious or not religious, I mean, there's no denying that area has been in war since the beginning of the time. The holy land. Uh what do you think about AI, bro? That's another thing that I've been thinking about. That's why we're getting into like you don't know what's real, what's not real. I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:35

I've been seeing clips that um that Facebook is flagging, like, hey, this is not there. And then that makes you think like how many clips are coming out that are not being flagged as AI, but are AI? And how much the fact that I'm even asking that question is like I can't fucking trust anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:54

They say 60 to 80 percent of what you're is in your feed right now is AI generated. But with all the war clips, you know what I mean? Yeah, but they're talking like um Peter McKinnon, he's like a big photographer guy, and like always testing new equipment, all this and that. And they he just released uh uh interview with him and another guy, and they were talking about how they met with like one of the higher-ups at Instagram, and they're actually encouraging people to release like unpolished footage that way, like people actually know there's like a human side, or like at least a before edit, after edit.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:22

Yeah, but then you just tell AI to make the same video, but just make it pre-production, and it would it can recreate the exact same thing. Are you vaping? Unfortunately during Lent?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:33

I thought you gave up. I gave up.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:34

I well, yeah, already yeah. I had a fall, I had a falling out. Uh yeah, I'm talking to God about it. Don't worry. It happens, bro. Yeah, I'm I picked like the worst thing for my first Lent. I'm converting to Catholicism. So like I'm getting back to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:46

You're already in.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:47

No, I'm in I'm in the club, bruh, but I'm not like doing the Eucharist and shit yet. So I'm not like getting the body of Christ and the blood of Christ yet. That happens after baptism, first communion, the whole bit. Um, but yeah, I'm pretty pumped on that. But yeah, I picked like the worst thing to give up for land. I do like and and I'm switching jobs. Like, I'm my last day was Friday, so now I'm starting a new job in a week. I've got this whole week off. Um so like it's just a lot of anxiety and stress, and then I just broke. I just fucking snapped like a twig, bro. I was like, oh, I made it a week though. So there's that. Uh, but yeah, dude, you know, it is what it is. Don't fucking judge me, bro. I was just wondering, man, you know? How fucking why don't you get back to the fucking, I don't know. I failed Ramadan already. Yeah, bro. Yeah, dude. Fucking a la is not happy with you, bruh. Uh dude, like wrist slab. Oh, if you're like folks that like want to go into the military?

unknown 1:22:46

I know that are already in and where they might expect.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:50

Oh, that's yeah, combat-wise. So I don't know dick about Iran. And it's funny that you actually even asked that question, Corey, because Iran is a lot like Iraq. It's a giant fucking desert. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:00

So it's just a there's like they have Can you pull up a map? Like a like a map with the mountains, whatever that's called. Because I if I'm if I remember right, it's either Iran or Pakistan that's surrounded by mountains and it's damn near.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

Iran is literally a fucking desert. If I'm not mistaken, now I think they have like vegetation, obviously, they have irrigation and stuff like that, so they have gardens and whatnot, but like for the most part, like it is a fu it looks exactly like Iraq. That's they're so fucking close to one another. Yeah, do that, Daddy.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:31

Yeah, so they have a mountainous border with uh the other areas.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:35

What are those? The Zargos Mountains.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:36

Okay, yeah, then they have another mountains at the top.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:39

Yeah, the Albor's. Okay. Hell yeah, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

For like a shipping. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:47

They've actually dude. I saw I saw a legitimate news article. Motherfucking Iran shot missiles at one of our boats. Yeah, yeah. Touch I saw that. Touch my fucking boats. I fucking dare you. Touch my fucking boats. That's how every fucking dude, that is the one fucking thing I will not stand for. You fuck up one of my boats. Oh, bro. Anyways, off the I get it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:13

I get it. I got hot right there. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I gotta find out. Off the IRN subject.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:18

Let's run back to transitioning out of the military. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:26

Everyone in the world knows do not fuck with America's boats. Yeah. Look what happened to fucking Japan. Just an all-out one. It doesn't fucking matter.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:35

Don't touch the fucking boats. Anyways, transitioning out of the military, you kind of lost perspective and all that jazz. So how long is it but like how long of a gap between you leaving the military before you meet Lawman? Yeah, Mr. Bishop.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:48

So um I would say it was probably six months. So um they were making uh the Guntry Club while still in, and I had seen like how they were like promoting it, like, oh, if oh yeah, it's like the first 500 people uh get a membership, you get like this whole whole orange deal, and then like uh you'll be like a legacy member or whatever. I was like, I was about to sign up for it, and then there's so much going on, I was like, well, I kind of just forgot about it, you know. And then now as I was getting out, I was like, you know what? Oh there I am right there. I was like, you know what? I want to apply, I'll just be a gun dude. When I get out, my whole like goal is to have a career or a job that is something that's pertaining to what I did in the Marine Corps or something that's like I actually want to do, firearm related, right? I was like, I will not falter on that. I'm not gonna go get some piddly job just because I need to get by.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:43

Yeah, because it's a real bummer coming from experience. Let me like it sucks, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:47

I I was like, I'm not how do you go from like, you know, yeah, I'm a combat engineer in the Marine Corps, like how do you go from putting C4 on doors exactly civilian world? And then now, like, oh now I'm like, I mean, I get it for the people, like you do what you have to do 100%. Like you sometimes you do have to swallow your pride. But like that was something like I was not gonna falter on because in that six-month gap, uh, my parents was like, Hey, well, we have plenty of stuff that you could do at the church, uh, like handyman stuff, we'll pay you you do that. And that's exactly what I did. I listened to podcasts like the Sean Ryan show. Hell yeah. Uh it helped me get through that kind of stuff, and then um uh they finally called me, Lawman Tactical. It's like, hey, yeah, yeah, come in for an interview. And I went in for the interview, and it was two hours of them talking about the Marine Corps, and we just hanging out, and they're like, Oh yeah, um, yeah, we'll we'll hire you, dude. Don't even worry about it. Um whenever Lawman, like, whenever it opens, like that's when you'll start. I was like, okay, cool. So like I never had like any official like, yeah, well, like, here's your work history, here's this, like, what are you good at? Where are you what's your customer service like? It was never that. It was just like, oh, I see that you're a Marine, uh, this should be fitting for you, and then we just started talking about military and guns and everything. They just wanted to check out, make sure that you're like mentally stable, you know what I'm saying? And Blake was sitting next to me, and then like we were just kind of cutting up, talking about like our time, reminiscing a little bit. Oh yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:11

And then uh dude, what's it like working at law, man? This place is sweet.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:14

It's pretty dope.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:15

Like, not all like a lot of people think it's just a gun store, gun range, but there dude, there's so much here. And like, just like I mean, like everybody's gonna be able to do that. Go to their website. Like, if you're watching their website, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:25

Yeah, no, I know. I'm saying, like, if you're listening to this and and you're not watching, like, you need to go to YouTube, like, or just go to their website. Like, I mean, literally, their their splash page shows like a hundred different things that they do here. It's it's fucking it's like the Walmart of fucking freedom here, dude. It's absolutely bonkers all the shit they are.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:44

You get down on like the crowd magog classes and anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:46

Um so I'm mainly work Saturdays now, so the the one class I was going to is the combat uh reality based training. That's where uh it's just pretty much like real world stuff. Right. And Um you can pretty much just drop in. Like you don't have to, like, oh, this is a curriculum. If you didn't come to this curriculum, you're gonna be lost in the sauce. No, you just freaking jump in and you just go about it, and like you just learn stuff like proper techniques and what to do, uh, how to safely like do like kicks, or like when you're defending, like, here's your thought process as like why you should do this, or like the guy that instructs Dan Gaffney. Yeah, dude, is freaking awesome, insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:26

Uh, but I just learned you guys had a gunsmith here.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:29

Yeah, yeah. So our gunsmith, uh, he has a lot of experience with like dealing with uh just firearms in general. Like, who is that? It's uh Dave Barron. Uh he's retired EPD.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:39

Shit, yeah, dude. I want to talk to Dave, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:41

He's he's pretty good and he does a lot of like 11 stuff. If you have any requests, bribe him with a ski and a pack of Marlboro's. And that's it. Yeah, like he'll he'll be working on guns, sipping on a ski, like, all right, I'm gonna go burn one real quick. He goes burn when he comes back and just knocks out the other guns, man. You know, so like it's it's cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:06

One thing, speaking of guns, dude, uh, one thing that I love that Brian just recently walked me through that the next one coming up I'm excited for from March, I guess. Um, is when he does like the real world uh like he you saw.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:21

I paired one of these uh classes where I videoed one of the classes, but they went to like an empty warehouse. Oh, problem solving yeah, yeah, problem solving.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:28

The tactical problem solving is fucking nice. Like he showed us pictures of the the house one they did in January, or was it December?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:36

I don't remember. It would have been December. The January one was in a warehouse, and it was like if there's a shooting going on in a parking lot, how do you maneuver?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:44

Navigate, maneuver. What's your thought process? Why is that thought wrong? Why do you need to think this way instead of that way? Why do you need to look for this and not look for that? Things like that, and it puts you in like a real world, like, okay, go. And it like he literally just like sets up the stage and you run through the scenario and then he breaks it down. What's that? I think it's just tactical problem solving. That shit is cool. It's cool because you've done one of those.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:08

Yeah, so I actually helped with those for a while. Um, so like what I really appreciate is this like it's not just you're not being taught by people that's like studied it, they've actually been there, done that, got the t-shirt. So they have their credentials for it, and like everything is like purpose-driven. Like, hey, this is the reason why we're learning this because like uh the vehicle thing, like it is a real possibility that could happen. Yeah, it might be once in a blue moon that it could present itself, but like, here's what you do, and then like um the tactic behind it. Uh, but like with problem solving, like whenever I was doing like all that uh I kind of first started out being the bad guy until through everyone's like every scenario is like they knew I was all your op four experience, yeah. So and it was awesome because like one is like I always which we kind of started encouraging like uh people that tend to be the one that's like you know, like you're defending your home or you're gonna swap the roads, you're gonna be the bad guy. Yeah. Um, like I said, like, or like you said, being op four really showed get creative to how to get creative, and like you start thinking like that, and now you're like, okay, well, now that I'm in that posture of thinking, like, how am I going to do harm to this person? You start to see a different avenue of approach, and they're like, Okay, I didn't think about that. So, and in a defending case, like if it's like a home defense scenario, you're a little bit more prepped for it because you've thought like the enemy in a way. Yeah, like we always win.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:33

Dude, in my in tribal wars, which I know you hate, like it's a nerdy game I play, and you can pick like tribal wars. I played it since middle school. I'm like a top-ranked US player. That's awesome. You build like offensive and defensive villages, but the the saying there is if you own the village, you control the outcome. So, like if you own the house, you control the outcome. You know what I mean? Like, like Brian always talks about like leaving certain lights on in your house that way you know where certain shadows are, closing certain doors all the time. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:00

Like, yeah. So I want to tell I want to share a fun fact, the op for thing that I do in my own because I'm a fucking sociopath. Right? Like, I'm just constantly on edge, anxious, and ready to like fucking pop off at any given time. You clear your own house? I practice. Like when no one's home, like when like my wife, it's just my wife and I, but like even when I had people like living with us siblings or whatever, but like I would wait until the house be empty, and then I would just like dry run shit. Like, yeah, yeah, I would just like literally pie different angles, like come in from different doors, like start from different positions, like, oh, now this time I'm upstairs. And then I would like start in a bedroom upstairs, and like, okay, now how do I get? But even weirder than that, dude. Fucking it gets weirder. Uh dude, so tell me, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:44

Tell me, Dad. Oh, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:46

Dude, sometimes, like, when I show up at home and like I know I'm alone. Sometimes I've done it once or twice with Kristen in the house. Like, I'll pull into the driveway, shut the truck off, and I'm like, let me just do a quick 360 here. So now I'm like playing the okay, what's going on? How do I uh what's going on here? I'm like looking in different windows, like maybe even try a window. Like, oh that one's unlocked. Huh, that's strange. I need to fix that later. Or, you know, fuck it. So like I'm like literally casing my own home sometime. I'll do I'll do it like once a month where I just like walk around and like look at different shit, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:19

It and it makes you think is like, okay, well, if that window was unlocked, and you're like, ooh, if if you know, I blame my wife a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:28

My wife just be opening windows. Like, she'd just be opening windows and then not locking it, bro. What are you doing? Kristen, I fucking blame you a hundred percent, dude. Uh no, it's she's fucking great though.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:39

Uh it's nice to have that random window unlocked sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:42

It gives you, you know. Yeah. It almost kind of like in a bad way, like, or I guess in a good way. It depends on how you take it, I guess. Like, I already know where you're going. If you go through the window and just like actually scare her, how is she gonna respond? Well, you're gonna get that real life. Here's action. Here's a different way to think she carries. Here's a bad day.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:01

She does. Uh, here's a different way to think about it. Um, channeling. So you could think about it like a uh like a um like setting up an ambush, right? So like if I know if I'm a bad guy and I'm trying to get in this house, I'm gonna play with the window, play with the window, play with a window until I find one that's unlocked. And if I don't, then I'm breaking some glass, probably, or turn a door or whatever. But if you leave a window unlocked that you prefer, now you've channeled, you know what I'm saying? Now you've got a cordon essentially of like, okay, come on, daddy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I got well, and another thing that's a plus, I don't advise anyone to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:36

You're like baiting on me, you got a stack of money on the show. That's what it is. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:39

It's bait. It is baiting, yeah, yeah. And it works for me because I have three dogs that are very fucking loud and angry. So, like, when that window opens and mom and dad are in bed, they're like, oh, this is a fucking problem. So, like, now I immediately know, okay, someone's in the house, 90% chance it's that window. So, like, you know what I mean? So it's like so you're just cutting down the guesswork, exactly. So that's one way that you could think about it as well. I do like that. There's so many different it yeah, just it's sad that we have to think that way, but um, and we've talked to Brian Bishop about that as well. We're kinda over on time. Oh, are we? I lost track. I'm sorry. I get excited when I get military dudes in here. I get all fucking plugged up. My dude, my fucking pussy gets moist, you know what I'm saying, bro? Uh, dude, this is an 18-plus show. I just want to make sure you know that. Uh uh and the folks at home, you know what I mean? So um let's put a bow on this thing, but before we do, we do like to ask the same question to every guest, the every walk of life that comes through here. We like to ask, like, you know, in your journey, whether it be with lawman, with the military, with music, uh, life in general, it doesn't matter. Um, did you ever Henderson? Yeah, living in Henderson, because that sucks. You know what I mean? You know, honestly, like you're a really good dude, but seriously, fuck that down. Like, seriously, fuck that. I literally have that mindset still. Good for you, brother. I knew we were clicking when I met you. I was like, this guy fucking vibes. Uh so uh in all of your journeys, you know, have you ever had a dark moment where you were just like I'm done? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:10

Like you don't have to talk about that moment.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:12

I'm so ready to quit. Like, I'll go to the ends of the earth just to end this. You know what I'm saying? Uh, and in that moment, when you hit that wall, hit that moment, what was the thing that got you past that wall that led you to like take that next step to continue to endure? You know what I mean? What was your motivation to kind of keep you pushing?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:33

So, I mean, obviously, like during those dark times, like you have a lot of time to think, and like you do run some pretty crazy scenarios in your head. But like, I would say, like, not only did my daughter kind of keep me around, but it was also my oldest nephew. Uh, I knew that he looked up to me. Um, and I was like, I don't really want him to have that, like what is it, like he gave up mindset about me. But I think more so it's just kind of like I had or you know, like moment that was about to go down because like I was done 100%. Because like I went through so much stuff, like even like before Marine Corps, during, and then even after, uh, I had that moment where I was like, okay, so if I do this, like what am I gonna miss out? Not only am I gonna miss out on my daughter, but like but I always somehow I'm adaptive. So how when I do find out the the I guess like the flaws, for lack of a better word, I guess, to where I understand that I'm coming up over like this mountain and I'm good. What is my life gonna look like? You know, like how am I gonna provide for my daughter? Like um, I guess like to not get too deep is like how am I gonna impact other people? Because in this certain scenario, like someone, a veteran is going to be in the same situation we are. Like you need to be able to have that landing pad, that launch pad, for like where someone's gonna feel comfortable and they know that you've been through that scenario to where like hey, I gotta go to him, like this is how I'm feeling, and you actually give him like the actual I guess like facts, like this is how I overcame it.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:12

And yeah, because there's probably a thousand dudes out there that didn't take the vaccine, if not more, you know, and they're they're probably struggling with the same same mental battle of like oh I could have just taken the shot and still been in, or you know, I mean I won't even lie, like I I've thought about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:28

Like I did have a drill instructor package to where like I could have like signed and if I've re-enlisted I can go and do that, which was like a thing I actually wanted to do, but like I think though, like when you're actually down in the slums, like if you're ever in that position where like you don't have anywhere else to go, you don't have anything, like you're just done and you want to call quits, like you know, I think in that moment, like you do have to be vulnerable with yourself, uh but actually start planning out a future and like actually take action. Um the best way visually I can say to look at it is like say we're in this room, there's no door, and you want out, um can't get through the wall, can't get through a window or anything, you know, go through the ceiling, start tearing out that ceiling, get to that next step, get out of rock bottom. We're all gonna get there, we're gonna all gonna be there at some point in life. But if you can actually show like the adaptivity, I guess, I don't know if I just made that up or not. No, adaptivity is a word. Isn't it? You're good, yeah. I thought I made up a word, but like just being able to get out of that rut and like actually like plan out a future, and even though like I do know like it does get rough and hard, like there's people that look out up to you, and you I do believe you are put in people's life for a reason. Uh it could be like for a mentorship or just to be like to plant a seed or just like hey man, you got this, like the simple little encouragement, something like that can go a long way. Um but just having the drive to keep going. I know I've been there to where like I I didn't want to be donezo with it multiple times, yeah. But I definitely think that was like I am eliminating the possibility, like every possibility of my life getting better. You know, like we're all gonna hit hardships, so why not just keep going and going and going, regardless of what life's being like thrown at me, and to see what I can uh do with my life because there's so much more, like I'm young, so like I want I want to do all this, so I'll I want to make sure that I hit those milestones.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:33

Well, you're basically uh like an elderly, you're basically dead in the eyes of the military, though. You know what I mean? At 33, there's no going back. No. Yeah, they've already written you off. They're like he's still alive.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:45

I mean, you can be a contract worker, you know what I mean. I could, but like, so I mean, dude, I have it made here with lawman. So like I'm dealing with guns, shooting guns, like I get to teach classes. I'm all the great generation, all the great staff too. Everyone I've met silencers or easy. Yeah, I mean, yeah, silencers, freaking you can do a Form 1, uh, which is like making an SBR short bear rifle. Yeah. Um, like you're not paying a$200 tax stamp, you are still having to do through like that boring process of everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:16

But like, I mean, dude, how many cool different guns do you get to see? Like, I went to that uh like gun auction from that guy that was retiring, or he's getting bad with health, and they brought in like his gun collection. Yeah, dude, crazy. And like, what's uh I'm blanking on his name? Is it Eric that knows all the history about all these guns? He's like, dude, this gun's from Germany, they weren't allowed to make rifles back then, so this is technically a hunting rifle, not a wild.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:44

Um I mean, I've seen some crazy stuff. I think the most expensive gun I've ever held would be the Terran Tactical Sand Viper, and that was actually.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:52

Can you look that up? How do you spell Terran? What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:55

T-A-R-A-N tactical sandviper. Uh that's what was actually so one of the guys that I was in a delayed entry program with.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:03

Look at Sandviper rifle.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:05

He started working with me here after he got out.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:09

Sand Viper.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:10

He got 100% disability. I was like, hey man, can I put my two weeks in? I was like, Yeah, dude, you're fine. Rifle. That was one of the first guns he bought was a sand viper. And it's a Gucci Dow 2011. Yep. That one right there. Oh, I thought it was a rifle. No. Oh god. That is like a$9,000 handgun. But she butt a smooth. Oh my god. You can air rack that. If you don't know what air rack is, uh, you can have the chamber uh empty, put a mag in and yank it like you're pulling like the lawnmower cord, and you'll rack around into the chamber. It's that smooth.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:45

I am fucking moist. And it's very flat shooting. I am fucking moist.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:51

It's i that's one of the nicer ones. I mean, we I I will say being a Marine, uh, there was a guy that brought in a HK 416. Yeah. Um, which is like H K is fucking nice. Super nice, but like in the Marine Corps, the infantry, they've been getting the M27 IAR, which is like the younger brother, but like the more designated marksman rifle variant of the 416. And um it was just nice to see that because I've always liked the 416 uh firearms right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:23

What uh as we close up, what advice do you have for like basically the young cats out there?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:28

Uh advice for fucking musicians, young Marines, fucking you know, just essentially young adults, man, just trying to fucking young dads.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:39

You got advice for any of those folks or yeah, I mean, depending on like what you're wanting to do, get a clear roadmap of find a mentor and actually talk with people. Now, I will be completely honest, like, there's toxic people out there. Be mindful of like who you are talking to because like some people do want to hear what you're talking about or what your plan is, but someone's just like hoping that it just fails. Um, so be I guess like selective on who you uh choose for like a mentor and everything, or multiple mentors.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:10

Like I got a mentor that fixes my daddy issue, right? Yeah, like I got a mentor that's like gives me fatherly advice, and I got another mentor that gives me like business advice. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:20

That's how definitely find the mentors and like create a plan and roadmap and like just keep going. Um I would say like for new fathers, dude, or someone that's like expecting to have fathers. Just good luck. Dude, good luck, like like no, seriously, because like you will never not be playing enough. You can't, like you won't ever be ready until you're there. It's like a you're learning on the job, like as you're gonna fly.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:46

And you hit the age that like your parents were when they had you, and like you you're like you're realizing, like, oh man, like I understand now, like stuff starts to click for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:56

Like, yeah, oh my parents were this age, and then it's like, oh, I under like they probably I definitely had like a moment, like actually not too long ago, and it wasn't like a bad moment, it's like me and her, me and my daughter were bonning, and I was like, Man, like I understand my parents now because like why my dad was being so gay. It's like yeah, like she's learning life, and I'm learning to be a parent and a father, but like that's like present and actually there for her and everything, and then like I'm also just like because at first, like I didn't see myself being a girl dad, you know. I was like always hoping I'd have a boy, like, but that's like the best thing that's ever happening is being a girl dad because it's awesome. It's nice, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:34

Is it to own more firearms?

SPEAKER_00 1:45:36

What's that? So do you get to own more firearms? Get to own more firearms. I mean, she's cool with firearms. Uh, she likes the Rekki rifle that I have. Oh, yeah. Um, she hasn't shot it yet, but she likes to get behind the optic and look through it and they'll be used. Um, if you're going in the military or currently in the military, just keep doing dry repetitions, keep working out. Um stay physical, bro. Stay physical. That's the biggest thing. Like grandfather. If you're not fit, you're gonna die. Yeah, that's what Grand Thumb always says. I mean, I always stuck with him because it's so true, you know?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:02

It's like, dude, that he's actually his channel's so fucking dope. I'm glad you brought that up. Do you know Grant Thumb? If you guys are watching this and you don't know Grant Thumb and you're a gun person or a military person, fucking go look him up. He's so good, dude. I just want to go too.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:16

Well, Casey, we'll have to get you in again, man. There's so much stuff to I feel like we can do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:20

Dude, we can just do guns and therapy next time if you want. Uh I'm down with whatever, I'll talk about it. Hell yeah, dude. Well, you did great, brother. I'm glad we didn't stress you out. Uh, you know, fucking, I always get worried people aren't gonna be comfortable coming in here, but uh it's been an excellent fucking time. Thank you for taking the time out of your Sunday home. Yeah, dude, on the board's day. Yeah, dude. Fucking, we're just vibing. And that's all that's what it's all about. Hell yeah. I just like shaking hands and uh kissing babies, you know. So it's serious, it's been a pleasure to get to know you, Casey. Um, and then for you folks at home, if you're watching this, uh listening to it, like, subscribe, tell your friends about us the whole bit. Um, I got nothing else. Tom, you got anything else? If you want to see Casey or have them show you around some guns, check out Lawman Tactical. You're all 41. And check out LawmanTactical.com. They've got a great fucking splash page, which I really appreciate. Uh, they just have a great website altogether. Great folks here, great facilities, just absolutely uh phenomenal, man. Nothing short of uh I mean it really is the Walmart of Freedom. So fucking get the fuck in here, folks. Um short of that, man. Seriously, thank you so much, brother. I greatly appreciate it. Uh thank you, Tom, and then thank you guys. So another thrilling episode of the Days Grimm. My name is Brian Michael Day. My name is Thomas Grimm, and this has been Casey. Thank you so much, Casey.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:39

Oh, you're seeing this low.