Very Best of Living
Dr. Taylor Hartman, relationship expert and Psychologist, discusses key insights that he has made over his professional career on what makes successful relationships. His work The Color Code now called the People Code is a powerful agent for positive healthy relationships both personal and professional.
Very Best of Living
Holiday Gifts That Actually Matter
December can feel like a paradox: generosity and sparkle on one side, old wounds and family friction on the other. We dive into that tension and offer a different path—one built on inner gifts, honest encouragement, and boundaries that protect your peace. Instead of chasing perfect presents, we share a simple practice: write down three names and decide what meaningful gift you can offer each person, then clarify why it matters. Maybe it’s affirmation without comparison. Maybe it’s a truth they can use, delivered with kindness. Maybe it’s time, presence, or a prayer that opens a door when they feel shut out.
Along the way, we unpack the power of positivity in relationships and how to pivot from “What if it goes wrong?” to “How do we make this happen?” You’ll hear stories of meeting people where they are, validating worth, and choosing directness over judgment. We explore forgiveness that frees you without reopening wounds—hold others accountable first, then let go internally. That balance keeps your heart light while your boundaries stay strong. And when someone tries to push your buttons, we offer tools to avoid being “owned”: proactive warmth, a three-breath pause, and listening for content rather than tone.
We also talk about building emotional muscle through small choices—carrying your own baggage, not everyone else’s. If you tend to defend, please, or shut down, you’ll learn how to spot the pattern and choose a better move. Most of all, we invite you to stop overanalyzing relatives and simply be present. When you bring your true gift—clarity, calm, humor, celebration—you make space for memories that last longer than any purchase. If this conversation resonated, tap follow, share it with a friend who needs a calmer Christmas, and leave a quick review to help others find the show. Who are your three people this season, and what will you give them?
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Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Happy holidays. It's so great to be with you all. Hi, Cat Larson. How are you?
SPEAKER_00:I think we're having them great.
SPEAKER_01:I'm glad to hear that. Here we are in the middle of the holidays. We survived Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And you know what I it's so interesting. People have always said to me, so in your practice, is it busier or slower at Christmas? And I said, it's kind of a mixed bag. Like there's some people who are desperate, like they have got to get in and talk through some issues. And other people are like, no, I'm just too busy with holidays. So but I do think that ironically, the best and the worst happens at Christmas. Like people are generous, people are giving, people are thoughtful, they're kind. They do things that I think are very, very positive. And then there's the issue of family dysfunction. And how do I deal with someone I can't talk to? Or how do I navigate that? So I thought today we'd talk about navigating the holidays and how to embrace the best of what this holiday is. And for my listeners, I'll just tell you right now, I I am Christian and I don't apologize for saying Merry Christmas. I'm very sad that we live in a world where people feel like you can't say those things. This is a celebration for Christians of Christmas. And if you're Jewish, it's Hanukkah. And whatever you are, I want you to know that we have a right and a joy to experience this wonderful time of year when we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. So that's what I wanted to put out there right away. My wife is like Mrs. Claus. Her name truly should be Holiday. I said if I ever came back, I would rename her because that's my favorite thing to do is holidays. And so we have lots of Christmas trees up and lots of decorations, and it makes the festivities even better. So I want to talk with everyone about how you can make this holiday special. I want you to write down three names of people that you might consider showing some extra love to and what form it would take. So, first of all, you come down with the names, who are the three people? And it changes every year, right? But this year, who would they be? And then number two, what is it you would do to make them feel special? And number three, why? So I think the reason I'm saying this, Kat, is I think so many people don't realize the influence they can have on other people's lives that many years later are remembered that are just a transaction in your mind, but not to them. It was a very meaningful experience that you provided for them. And so, and I also think of that in terms of gifts. Like we all have different gifts we can give. There was a man, 88 years old, working full-time because he has to. And a man came into the store who has the gift of social media. And so he talked with a man. The man was very just terrific, not whining, not complaining, just discussing what his life was like. And he gave him a$400 tip. But what he didn't know was the man went home and put it on a social media site and it collected more than a million dollars for this man to retire. And so my thinking was isn't it interesting? Like sometimes the gift of just a smile goes a long way to make someone feel like you're seen. And sometimes it's something very special, like this guy's gift in social media that allows this man to retire, which is really special, right? So I want people to I want our listeners to think about what their gift might be. Sometimes it's very, they're just positive. Like the way it's interesting. I have a client I talked to yesterday. He's just negative. He goes, I always go to the negative. I always say, Yeah, but what if? And his girlfriend, who wants to get married, said, Well, why don't we just change that around to, okay, how do we make that happen? And so they were talking about marriage, and he was concerned as to whether he wants to get committed. He's young, 22, she's 20. And I said, Well, let me ask you this. Is she someone you want to lose? Or is she someone you'll always be sorry you let go? And he's and he said, I know she's the one for me. I just don't know that I'm ready to settle down and be that controlled by someone who's so different from me. And like, I need some time in the morning. She likes to get going right away. I said, Oh, trust me, marriage is always a compromise. But what are the gifts that she brings and that you bring that would make it a decision to get married next year? Like, what is it you're thinking about? So I'm thinking about the person you put down, the three names. What is the gift you could offer that would lift their life? So, in this case, for this young man, his girlfriend's positivity is really one of the great assets that he has, that she has, that she could make his life better with, right? Then the question, of course, is what gifts do you bring that you could give back? Now, typically, we know people that are abused, abuse. Hurt people, hurt people. That kind of thing. Well, also bless people, bless people. So if you're teaching people by giving gifts to them, you're probably going to enhance their capacity to give gifts to other people. So I want you to think about where your gifts are and what gift specifically you would give to each of those three people and why. That's the question for our listeners. To think about that. And that's your homework. Because it's a gift-giving time. I want your Christmas to be special. I want it to feel like a time when you could actually experience the season in its fullness. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I was wondering if you could just, you don't have to do it for reals, but give me an example. Like, what gifts do you think you have, Taylor? And like a person you picked, no names necessary, but a person you picked and what you would do for them. Give us an example.
SPEAKER_01:So an example would be for me is I meet people where they are. I'm not judgmental. It's not my nature to go there. I don't think when I see somebody, what could I do to make them better? I find out where they are and just experience them at the level they are. And that can be anyone from uh a daughter who's you know struggling with paying the rent to uh a grandson who's flying high, doing very successful stuff with life. It doesn't really matter who they are. What matters is who I am, and I'm able to see them on their level. And then what I can do is I validate them. Like there's value to who you are, regardless of where you are in your life. I don't want to compare you. I don't want to use examples of other people that will make you think that maybe you're less than or more than, or you should do better at. That's probably the gift that I would give them. And another one I do is I think about them and pray for them. Like I want them to have opportunities that will come their way. And realizing that that will be on their time and in their own way. But I have a client recently that I just adore. She's wonderful, she's single, 26, decided to get out of Utah. She's moving to, she moved literally overnight to New York. And working with her was such a privilege because she was so adorable, so sharp, was a great worker, but she had been beaten down often in her life, told that she was less than not good enough. Why aren't you married? That kind of stuff. And and she came up with this idea. It wasn't my idea. She said, I just love adventure. I love going to places, I put like putting parties on. I'm not afraid to meet people. And as we were talking, she said she'd gone back to the East Coast and she said, I really think that I could do well. Just take my job. I can do it elsewhere and try something different. And I said, Good for you. I am so proud of you. Well, she did it. She actually made it happen. And her parents were great, they were supportive, and and and I just thought it was just a wonderful moment. But I remember early in our counseling, she was always so stunned at how much I liked her, how much I appreciated her, how much I believed in her. Because she'd always felt that I'm less than. I'm never as good as I need to be. Because she'd been told, here's the things you need to be need to be okay. So that's probably one of the gifts that I would give. Meet them where they are.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. And I love that when you need like you're non-judgmental. And I'm doing this advent study on my own for Christmas. Yeah. Um, because I'm just trying to get a different, I don't know, it's a different view of, but it takes your focus off of what I used to focus on into something else.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, very nice. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And when you talk about those gifts and removing our our family this year, we're we're thrifting all of our gifts. We're not buying anything new for gifts.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's very cool.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And so, and you know, by the way, thrift stores are not that cheap anymore. I'm just used to people getting stuff for a buck. You cannot anymore. I just not there.
SPEAKER_01:It's a lie.
SPEAKER_00:It's a lie. It's not as thrifty.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you go up to catch your am I in a thrift store?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, and so so as you're talking, I think that that first thing is to really be able to recognize what my gift is that others could that I could impact with others. And that's not that's not easily done always. Like, what what do I really want to give to others?
SPEAKER_01:Like, you know, the the biggest gift that you bring is you know, well, for example, with whites, their clarity is such a rich gift, but they don't see that.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Are you kidding me? Like it's so precious because you don't flap your lips, you have clarity, you see things, right? Or reds, oh my gosh, the ability to get things done, like they're like uh an automatic or something, the motivation piece. So there's so many things everybody has. If you look in their own color code, you'll find these natural gifts that you come with.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I love that. And that's what I was just gonna say is like you just like go judgmental, which is it, which actually is your yellow gift that you give to people. Right now, here's the interesting thing. You're not judgmental, but boy, when you talk to somebody like you might have somebody in your life that is not being responsible. You do hit it hard.
SPEAKER_01:I'm very direct.
SPEAKER_00:You're very direct.
SPEAKER_01:I think what's sad is people don't understand that when I'm being direct, it's not judgmental. You're fine where you are, you can stay there all you want. But I'm telling you, this does not work. That I mean, that's the difference. Judgmental people, they are they're looking down on, they're critiquing someone, right? I'm looking at the behavior. Here's the choices you're doing, and I'm telling you, those don't work. And here's the reason I'm telling you that doesn't work. Look at the pattern, look at the history. It doesn't change a thing about how I feel about you.
SPEAKER_00:No, that's so good. I love that. So, three people, what you want to give them in terms of a gift that you have, and we're not talking about a thrift store gift, we're talking about a an internal gift that you're going to do in relationship with them.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:A care for them.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I want I want to enrich your season. It's interesting. I was talking to a woman, uh, she's from Iran, and she's uh Muslim, and she has been battered by her mother-in-law for years and and unkindly, even to the point of saying, maybe you should go and not stay married. Harsh things. And she's not doing well, she's in very bad shape physically. And so when they got together, this woman told me that the woman said, Forgive me, at the very end. And uh she goes, I'm not forgiving her. No, like there's a thing in the Muslim religion I did not know, which if you die unforgiven, you're blocked in heaven. You can't move forward. I said, It's the opposite with Christianity. If you don't forgive, then you're blocked. Wow. Isn't that interesting? So I was saying to her, look, I I don't think you understand forgiveness. I'm not asking you to let her come to your home. I'm asking you to forgive her for what she did because it frees you. I'm not asking you then to bring her to your home. That's not what I'm saying. So she was torn because I think a lot of our listeners get, we've talked about this once before. Our listeners get caught up in if I forgive, then I have to still have that person haunting me. No, you don't, actually. You can draw a line in the sand, that's not a problem at all. We do that every day. We hang out with people we want to be with, right? But forgiveness means you make it okay, that's their progress, their path, not yours anymore. But isn't that interesting, kind of that switch? And it made me also think about another uh consideration I was having with some clients. When I don't think you can see the gift somebody is giving you. Like I I hear spouses say to their spouse things that are very important to them. And and so I I say to them, okay, so when your spouse tells you this, what do you do? And and they would tell me they they don't admit it, they don't agree to it. They tell me it's not true. Like if I say you're a hoarder and you go, No, I'm not a hoarder. Well, okay. What do you do when someone denies the gift you're giving them, right? Um I guess I'm wondering why would people choose not to accept a gift that would make their life better? And it's because of insecurity.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:People are afraid that if they get defined as inadequate or weak, they then are limited. When in fact it actually opens the door to success. Right? Like I said to the woman with her mother-in-law, I said, just say to your mother-in-law, write down the things that you have done that I need to forgive you for. Hold her accountable, don't just let her off the hook. And then when she's done that and you can see that she knows what she did, then you can free yourself and let it go. Or if someone says to you, Well, how am I a hoarder? They will show, show me, hold me accountable, let me see. And then I'm gonna show you a box of things you've not put away. Don't sit there and say, Well, that's because of, or yeah, but you don't do this either. Don't do that. Say thank you. That's a good point.
SPEAKER_00:And but what you're saying is don't hold back your gift just because maybe at first blow or or or at first listen, they can't hear it.
SPEAKER_01:That's correct. No, I think if you really love someone, you give them the truth, no matter what, right? They may choose to buy it or not buy it, but that doesn't change the truth. That's one of the things you and I have talked about a lot. I think it's so I can't impose on you my truth. Those truths that are personal, they're mine. They're not yours. I can't say to you, well, they should be. Why aren't they? But if I see things that are happening in your life that are not working, and I say, this and this and this are happening, you should be willing to look at that and say, you're right, that doesn't really help my life, does it? Maybe you're gonna say, and I don't know what to do about it. I don't have a clue how to change it. I I see that with people I work with at times, that they have no idea how to change their circumstances. And that's very frustrating for someone who's like, I would hate to be stuck like that and have no freedom to move forward. But the gift I give them is the truth. Here's an opportunity, here's an idea. If they choose to shut it down, okay, they didn't accept my gift. But I'd rather do that than five years from now go, I saw that, I never said anything.
SPEAKER_00:Oh. Oh, yeah. No, yeah, not regretting that that I should have risked. It's that vulnerability thing. I'm uncertain, I'm gonna take a risk, I'm gonna say that. You might not be hear it, but yeah, no, that's good. God, I'm still trying to pick the people in my life.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's such a good thing to think about. I think it's something for people to really give some thought to. You know, the person, there are certain people who give the best gift every year. Like they just know they make the effort to make it happen. This is what this experience should be like. You should take a minute and think about what would be the who would be the person and what would the gift be that I would give, and why. And then that's your Christmas. Like that's that just feels really good to know you have all this time. I'll have one of my daughters. I used to take on these daddy-daughter dates to hello Kimmy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:She found this advent calendar. It's got a chick piece of chocolate in every day of December.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And you open it like whatever day it is, and you get a piece of chocolate. And I sit there and I open it and I just chew the chocolate and think about these times we went out for these daddy-daughter dates. And here she is giving back to me now, right? No. Uh a memory of that. So I want you just to think about those things that make your life feel better, more abundant, uh, more meaningful.
SPEAKER_00:Great. That is good. I'm doing I'm starting that right now. That's so good, Taylor. What when you look at this season for I mean, some people it's so great and so exciting for. Of course, little ones are so fun, you know, your little ones at this time of year. Right. Um, and some people it's really hard for.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:For some things, for a lot of things. Maybe there's loss. Maybe you have people that are in your family that you have a hard time dealing with. Give us a little bit of a, you know, give us a a couple of coaching sentences about dealing with some things that are hard about Christmas. Like, how about if somebody like somebody always makes you defensive when they walk in your house, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Every time you cannot let somebody own you, you're better off. Every time you can do that. So you go on the offensive. Oh, it must have been hard for you to get here. You have so many little kids to get here. Uh, that's probably why you relate, right? Or you simply start with a statement like, I hope your holidays are working out for you. I hope you're enjoying your holidays this season. Um, you mean you're proactive. I can always say the best coaching advice I could ever give anyone is get over yourself. Do not make it about you, make it about them. And if I'm seeing you for Christmas and I have a bias against you because I think you're being mean to me, I'm carrying anger. I'm carrying a blockage that prevents me from enjoying the holiday. So if I get over myself, there's really nothing that I'm I'm bringing to our relationship when I see you that's gonna cause me angst. Now, you may still be who you are. As we all know, you can't change anyone else, right? Right. I choose not to let you own me this Christmas. That's not gonna happen. Like you're a Democrat, I'm a Republican, you're um uh successful and rich, and I'm not. Um, you have uh your family all alive, my parents have died. Whatever my issue with my axe to grind is, if I take it off the table, I don't make for that acrimony. I don't allow for that conflict. So I can't fight with you if I'm gonna fight. It isn't you can do what you need to do, and that's who you're gonna be. And by the way, just because it's Christmas doesn't mean people become wonderful. There are many people, they are the Grinch. There's a reason that Grinch was a successful movie for a lot of reasons. There are people who are that way regardless of where they are or whatever it is, right? Um, but you don't have to buy into it, you don't have to make that part of your life as well. That's their path. That's a don't let them drag you onto their path and then ruin your Christmas, or have them say things to you like, oh my gosh, is that last last year's dress? Like, my gosh. Then you would say things like Cathy Larson, I'm thrifting this year. Yes, we're thrifting. It's exactly it's been great. The dress was as great as last year. But you don't let them own you.
SPEAKER_00:That's why something in their snare go, oh, you haven't tripped it. Yes. That's so good.
SPEAKER_01:And you're getting it next year.
SPEAKER_00:Guess what? Oh my god, that's so good.
SPEAKER_01:I did I do think though that I feel bad for people if that are not strong, because strong people don't carry other people's baggage, they let it go. That's their problem, not mine. Strong people carry their own baggage, not yours.
SPEAKER_00:That's interesting. Strong people, you don't carry other people's baggage. And I have a question in here is that something you can do? Like I'm hearing you say it. I mean, so say I'm the I'm listening to this podcast for the first time, I hear you say it. Is that something I can do just by implementing or do I need to build a muscle around that? Because I don't want people beating themselves up if they try it and they have to go in the bathroom and scream or whatever they have to do.
SPEAKER_01:Well, no, if they have to go to the bathroom and scream, that's part of the toolkit. I I have no problem with that. I mean, sometimes people are just so difficult. You're like, I am I really living this nightmare. But the fact that you don't carry it does require muscle. Like you do have to learn that it's not your responsibility to carry their anger or their judgment. It's not your job, right? The the freer you are, the more you can be clean in how you feel towards others, the less baggage you carry because you don't have any of your own, right? When I'm weak and I'm feeling um weak and and judged and inadequate or insecure, I carry everyone else's baggage with me. Like I let them the I I call it outside validation. Like you need other people to validate that you have a right to enjoy Christmas. You have a right to enjoy Hanukkah, like you have a right to experience the holidays. Why? That's insane. That's not their their responsibility or their right to oppose that on me. But it takes muscles to free people to let them be who they need to be and let me be who I need to be. And that's what we're trying to suggest to people, right? That's what it's really all about.
SPEAKER_00:100%. And I love that because I think I I notice with me when it's uh when it's that that stretch for me, I think I call it a stretch because I you can feel it inside when you know you're not reacting correctly. Yeah, tension. And then sometimes you have a default. I mean, my default I've noticed in the past, or or think about like that. Like when I feel that stretch, do I get defensive? Do I people please? Do I shut down? Do I I mean there's some interesting things that happen in that? Like you say, all of a sudden I'm held hostage by this instead of going, uh reminding myself what you just said. You know, reminding yourself, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That that is the essence of growth, like what you're willing to do there. Like go to chat GGP and have it call up what is meekness. What does it mean to be meek? And how do you develop that skill? And people will be stunned how powerful the tool is that it offers you. It gives very specific things you can do, and one of them that you mentioned is just breathe. Don't react. Give it three seconds, think about what you're going to say. That's one of the examples they'll give you is homework, right? So it's a really kind of cool tool to uh you talk about using AI as a gift in a positive way. Let it do the work for you, outlining what are some things I could do to change how I interact. And like you you said, when I start feeling that tension, or I'm gonna be defensive, which is gonna start a cycle, which I don't want, right? It suggests that there's ways you could rethink it for a minute. Just don't don't give it energy. Like the woman I said to her about her her mother-in-law, tell her to write down what she did that she needs to be forgiven for. Okay, that puts all on her, on the mother-in-law, instead of her carrying this guilt of I'm not forgiving her. Once she has done that, you can say, Good. Now I understand what you understand you did. I can let it go. Right? So I have always believed that holding someone accountable frees you. Right? But being defensive makes you part of the cycle. Then you part is your cycle.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:You know it, like you said, you know it when you're doing it. Like there's no question.
SPEAKER_00:And then you feel so crappy afterwards, guys.
SPEAKER_01:And so it's just certain people are able to get to us. The question I have to ask you is why? What is it about you that lets that person get under my skin? Whereas somebody else you wouldn't even be faced by. And I learned this trait, by the way, by watching white personalities deal with angry red men. And I was like, why aren't they personalizing what's going on? And they said, I'm just listening. I said, Well, can't you you can see he's a jerk, he's angry, he's not being appropriate. They're like, I'm listening to what he is saying. I'm not personalizing it at all. And it was like such a rich gift for me to realize, oh, that's why they don't personalize it, because they're listening to what's being said, not the emotion it's being said with. So I think it's really a little idea. I liked your suggestion of can you just stop for a minute and think about okay, what's my reaction? What what what can I say that would be appropriate? Like, why are you saying this? Why are you angry about this? What's got you so upset that I'm part of? What is my role in this? Those kind of questions, as opposed to reacting defensively.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and as you're talking, I it really brings me out of like over overweighing, like out of yourself a little bit. I mean, I know the self is important, you have to value yourself. Huh?
SPEAKER_01:Overthinking.
SPEAKER_00:Overthinking, yeah, taking apart every little bit. I think sometimes when you do like when we do this color code work that you and I do, or for me anyway, it makes you so you watch people and you watch interaction, and I'm always trying to go, oh, that's a blue-dewy blah, you know. Just get into that mode. Sometimes it's good to turn that mode off when you're with your whole family at Christmas.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and just be. And just be. That's exactly right. Well, yeah, I don't by the way, people say to me all the time at parties, are you are you analyzing me? I know you're analyzing me. I said, Are you paying me? Why why would I be doing this work when you're not paying me? No, I'm analyzing you. You kidding me? I'm enjoying myself.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, hey, you can set that up and say, I will analyze you at this party for$150. Here's my win, though.
SPEAKER_01:I I could tell them there's a price afterwards if you want to do that. But it is to me, you're you make a good point. I'm not busy analyzing people. That's not my job, right? That's I'm at a social event. I'm enjoying myself. And when I'm with somebody who is obnoxious, I will move away from them. I'm not gonna move away from a client that's obnoxious. I will deal with them because they're there for that reason. But at a social gathering, I don't feel it's my responsibility at all to sit there and just kind of take that and analyze them. I simply move on to somebody who's more pleasant.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That's the other thing I want to say is that I do believe gifts are better received when asked for. So I do think it's probably uh a coaching tool for people to remember that unless someone's asking for something, it's probably better for you not to impose it. And that isn't always possible because if you're a parent, for example, or a spouse, you may need to impose that. But generally speaking, people are more receptive. Even I've had people ask and then not be receptive. And I have to remind them, but you asked. And they'll say to me, but you didn't tell me you would give it to me like that. I'm like, okay, got it. I will wrap the package better next time. That's right. It is better. It is better to want the gift to be received.
SPEAKER_00:So yes, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well, okay, we gotta quit. It's Christmas time, it's the holidays.
SPEAKER_00:You gotta go shopping.
SPEAKER_01:I hope you all have yeah. I hope you all have someone in your life, like I have in mine, that is festive and believes in the holidays. And I want to wish all of our listeners a very Merry Christmas, happy new year. This is a very, very fun time of year for me. I don't get overwhelmed by it. I I love how different people celebrate it. Um, I have a family in our family, a son-in-law and daughter who go off for warm weather for a week. That's what they do, and they love it and have a great time doing it. I love the people who celebrate this there in their own way. So Merry Christmas to everyone, and we'll be back in the new year, right, Kat?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, we will. Merry Christmas. We love you guys.
SPEAKER_01:Love you guys.
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SPEAKER_01:Why would you not like and subscribe? Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I you know that the head guy tells me to say this, so I say it.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I'm with you. Thanks, you guys. Thanks for watching.
SPEAKER_00:Bye bye.