You Can Stop Rehearsing Your Pain And Start Reclaiming Your Life

What if the strongest person in the room isn’t the loudest, but the most centered? We open with the spectacle of the Winter Olympics and pivot to the endurance we rarely see: people quietly rebuilding their lives after childhood hurt, learning to stop rehearsing oppression, and choosing legitimacy over comparison.

We share a powerful story of a woman who survived abuse and now struggles with intimacy. Through hypnosis and guided compassion, she meets the younger self she tried to exile—and begins to welcome her back. That choice doesn’t erase the past; it restores agency in the present. From there, we unpack what real strength looks like inside families, like a mother–daughter standoff where power without humility keeps love at arm’s length. You’ll hear the difference between a soul-level presence that can listen and adjust, and the brittle bluster of insecurity that only performs strength.

Together, we map a path to being centered: trust what is true, not just what feels good; notice where comparison and neediness bargain away your voice; and gather mentors who model the skills you want. Change often starts clumsy—assertiveness can sound sharp before it becomes clear—but drafts are part of growth. We also tackle why parts of mental health culture stall progress: comfort without accountability, validation without tools. Healing asks for both compassion and responsibility, for boundaries and repair, for doing the work especially when no one is watching.

If you’re ready to honor your story without letting it own you, this conversation offers practical language, hard-won examples, and the nudge to keep going when the old system pushes back. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs courage today, and leave a review with one insight you’re taking into your own daily practice.

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Transcript

Olympic Awe And Curiosity

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Hello listeners. This is Dr. Taylor Hartman with very best of living. I'm with my good friend Kat Larson. How are you, Kat?

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I am really good today.

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You're looking good today. That's good.

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I figured it was. Always a first. Always a first. You know. Things can happen. Miracles.

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You never know what's going to come out of Nevada. You never know.

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Did you watch the Winter Olympics?

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Oh, of course. I loved them. Loved them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

What was your favorite part?

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Um, I I loved the ice skating, the gal that won. What what a story. I mean, a resilience and coming back. I I I I loved it all though. I don't, well, that's not true. I'm sorry. I know I'm gonna offend somebody, but just stay with me. I I don't get the curling. Like I I'm trying. I try even to get into it. And I I'm like, this is like watching paint dry for me. I just don't get it. I just do not get it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Maybe somebody can educate us because I think the precision of it is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Good point. Good point. Absolutely. But well for someone who's kind of messy, I would not do well in that. That's probably why. I it's like, come on, get to the point. But I loved it. What did you like best? What was your favorite part?

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Well, yeah, I loved, I mean, of course, the hockey was phenomenal to watch, even with all the drama, the crap that went on with it. I know they were so good. Drama. It was so good. Yeah, but um, I also loved those people. There's a there's a um, I'm gonna mess this up, but I'm so sorry to our our listeners also. If you were um you can help us.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

You're knowledge you're knowledgeable. She's sorry.

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Yes, the sport where these cross-country skiers go uphill, they like basically run uphill for 10 miles. Yes, yes, run, sprint, uphill on skis, on skis.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

It's crazy.

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And then watching the pain these people are going through and the effort that they give and just how our bodies are so incredible in what they can do, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Such a great point.

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Yeah, and then watching those, watching those downhill skiers and of and the and the ski deepers that fly. Oh my gosh.

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I mean, I can't even imagine going down a slope. So they and they're going at paces and then doing tricks on them.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Oh, it it really is phenomenal.

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But you but you know the biathlon where they go, they ski and they shoot.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Yes.

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So it was um oh, he's a famous comedian was talking about Jerry. Can't remember his last name. He was talking about how could people have come up with this idea of putting on skis and taking a gun and stopping and shooting and going again. What a strange thing to pick out of nowhere, right? So I I do I I'm with you though. I I'm I love and marvel at these athletes' commitment to something that doesn't pay well, they're very much on their own.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Yes.

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I I I just I was very, very impressed.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

So yes, it it is it is, I mean, that's the word, the impressive, every single one of them. I mean, yeah from the beautiful kid who, you know, like watching the skating is like you're on your edge of your seat because like they do their first jump, and if they mess up on their first jump, you know what's happening next.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

They can never get it again. Oh and and then the comment that was made do you know how many hours are spent in ice cold arenas with no lights and no windows alone practicing these things for four years, for four years, yep, for longer.

From Biathlon Jokes To Real Grit

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Yeah, well, okay, today we're gonna talk about we're gonna talk about people we're impressed with also, right? Yes, people that are not allowing negative childhoods to own them and how they are moving forward. I have a a woman I'm working with, she'll always be young to me, because I met her when she was 14 and she was being sexually abused by her father, and she has gone through a nightmare of life. Like, truly, she's finally with somebody who is very loving, very supportive, nurturing, and she's decided that she wants to do her work because today she's so anxiety-ridden when it comes to sexual connection that it's causing trouble with their relationship. And so we did a hypnosis and I took her back to that little girl who was abused. And I I just wanted her to watch her and honor her, honor what she went through to get where she is today and bring her back into her heart. That I said, nobody can ever love her the way she needs to be loved if you don't. If you won't do that, nobody can. So she's done that. She's actually started the healing process of bringing that little girl back into her life and helping taking care of her rather than distancing herself from her. So I look at somebody that was oppressed versus somebody who has chosen now to feel not oppressed any longer. This this quote is one I I love. Rehearsing your oppression is never uplifting or enhancing. And it's so sad when people stay focused on their limitations or on things that were done to them and they can't let them go. Like rather than moving forward, they almost uh embellish the oppression. And I was listening to this black woman speak recently about black people who have uh embraced oppression versus those who have not. And I was so touched by her candor. She goes, There has never been a time in the history of the world when black people have been more, had more opportunity to grow and expand than in America today. And then she used examples that I was like kind of stunned by. She goes, take, for example, Harriet Tubman. Harriet Tubman worked fearlessly to free black slaves when she was oppressed. But instead of staying oppressed, she looked to move move them towards freedom. Or uh Booker T. Washington,

Pivot To Healing After Abuse

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who was so resilient in business and what he brought to the world when there was far more oppression of black people then than today. And so her point was why are we choosing to remain oppressed and relishing it instead of saying, I want to be free, I want to be helpful, I want to be nurturing, I want my life to be alive. And I would like our listeners to think about that. Are you nurturing your limitations? Are you nurturing your oppression? Or are you breaking free? And are you allowing that to happen? So I recently met with a mother and a daughter. They're both terrific. I like them very much, both of them. And in our interaction, what had happened over the years was the daughter hated the mother and thought she was the source of all evil and all that was wrong with her in her life. And the mother was uh never knew why. She would never tell her mother why. And so in the first five minutes, she exploded and told her mother everything in our conversation that she'd felt. Wow. She wasn't there for her, what she'd done against her, how she's spoken ill of her, all these things that had gone, she stuck away for years. Now, of the two, the daughter is the more powerful. She has the stronger personality. And the mother has not had a vehicle for mending or healing the relationship. She's been unable to do that, right? And so I started thinking about that. I said, okay, so really the person that I need to work through here is the daughter. Like if she chooses to make this work, it'll work. If she doesn't, it won't work. And I was fascinated with how she doesn't respect her mom, but she respected me. So I could say things to her like, you need to forgive. Like you got to get on your, you got to get forward in your life. You're stuck, you're not growing. This is not okay with me. You'll probably have a daughter who treats you badly if you don't fix this, which she didn't like. And she said, I don't believe that. I said, I don't care whether you believe it or not. You're doing things that are going to damage your life. And she was, she's read. She was great. She's very like, very matter of fact, all logical, right? I said, Isn't it funny that you're so logical and so good at responding to my feedback, but you're so emotionally stuck. You won't let go of the anger and the hurt this little girl you felt, you were, by your mom. And so she can't win, no matter what she does, right? So I'd like our listeners to think about this. And speaking of personality presence, every color has a natural gift to be the strong one or the weak one. Like there are yellows. Uh I, for example, in yellow, very yellow, I'm very strong. My mother's a very strong woman. She did not ever own me. I mean, I I could handle her easily. I have friends that are yellow that are weak. I have one that I love

Stop Rehearsing Oppression

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this woman. Oh my gosh. She was so much fun, so delightful. And she took her life. Um, she just said, I don't want to be a burden on people anymore. And she she killed, killed herself when she was like 40. And I was so disappointed because she was so vibrant, so fun, but she wasn't strong. So I don't know what you are. People are born with this in their soul. Some people come very just sure of themselves, confident, not confident like Red, like they can do whatever, because they have insecurity that drives them, but confident in that they just feel they feel good about themselves. Like I know I I'm solid. Like you can't convince me to do something I don't want to do. Like if they're gonna take drugs, they're gonna take drugs. I talked to this gal, for example, about her son, who is um uh really successful right now in the military. But she goes, he was so bad off, so messed up, drugs everywhere, problems everywhere. So we moved, we moved our family, every, we did everything, tried to support him and get him out of that environment. And then we found out he was the one that was doing it. Not them. He was the ringleader of all this. Oh my God. So when you when you really when you really look inside somebody, you realize there are people who have uh degrees of strength and weakness. And in this scenario, I want our listeners to think about but where do I fit in that? And just so you know, the stronger or the weaker is not better or worse. I think people get they misread that. They think, oh, I'm stronger, therefore I'm arrogant, I'm better than the weak person. No, not at all. In fact, oftentimes, the weak person, the more humble, the more receptive person is the one that will allow for change to happen quicker than the strong person. They're more open to feedback. So it doesn't mean you're better or worse, but it does play out as a factor in your relationship. I've talked about this before on the podcast when my daughter, who's red, is second to me as strength. And when I would leave the home, chaos would ensue. Well, I thought my wife was number two. I didn't realize that it was Tara. So when I'd be gone, she would control the ambiance. And until I got home, she was in charge. And I came back stupidly thinking, how could that happen? Because Jean is the one in charge, but she wasn't. And so it was damaging her. She's trying her best to hold this together, and I'm not reading the room. I miss that, right? So when I say that about strong versus weaker, I'm talking about a presence in your soul that speaks to you. And I'm not talking about bullies, by the way. Bullies are weak. They're never strong, they're very insecure. They're they're they hurt people because they're hurt. They're not strong people. I'm talking about people that you would know in your life that I like I've known whites that are strong. They just they just follow a path that doesn't inflict pain on others, but they don't let you own them either. I've known reds that are strong, and they are they're so willing to rationally address issues. Like, okay, that's a good point. I had not thought about that, I'll consider that now. Does that make sense?

Mother–Daughter Confrontation And Forgiveness

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Yes. I I I want to make sure that I'm clear on the strength and the and the weaknesses. You're not talking about the strengths and the weaknesses that we talk about in the color code. So it's not a dirty motive.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Correct. That's correct. It's not about your strengths and limitations in your personality color code, it's in your soul. Do you ever met people that their presence just speaks like there's just something about them that you know they are centered?

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

That's what I'm referring to. Versus somebody who's looking always off to the side to see what are the script, what's the script I should follow? What should I agree to? What should I not do? They're just not as sure of themselves.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

And we want to move towards that more?

SPEAKER_02 13:34

Always. Always do that.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

And how do we do that?

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It's all about legitimacy. Is once you know you're grounded in something that's legitimate and true, you're not vulnerable to uh relative truth, whatever feels good in the moment. For example, let's talk about social media. I can be on social media all day long. It does not affect me. I don't look at people and go, oh, I wish I had that house, I wish I had that boat, I wish I looked that good. I I don't think that way. It doesn't matter to me, right? So if if you're centered, those things don't impact you. But if you're not centered, then it's like, oh, I'm not I'm not doing as well as I thought I should. Everything is always a comparison. Am I good enough or bad enough, right? Those are not centered people. Comparison people are very vulnerable. So that's not what that is.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

That's great. So like is if if I'm making a list and and I said, Taylor, give me, give me top three. Comparison, what what would lead me to this lack of legitimacy that you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 14:29

Yeah, not trusting yourself. I don't know what really is right or wrong. Depends on who spoke to me the last. You've talked to people, they say, well, whoever spoke to them last, that's what they'll tell you. So if they're influenced, they're so easily influenced by other people's thinking, uh, whether it's right or wrong, right? Okay. And then I would say needy, needy people, they're vulnerable because they they have need, right? I need this, I need you to want me, I need you to accept me. So I'll defer truth to get that need met. So if your needs are vulnerable, you're probably also very vulnerable to being not centered.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Oh so that's really good to look at. And and that's that insecurity of, am I doing it right? kind of like am I it? Like they don't want to step until somebody says, okay, step. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the feel?

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Yeah, yeah. Like I, yeah, it's funny. I said to someone the other day, I said, I I think the only way he will change is if you leave him. You're the only person he cares enough about to change. And she said, Yeah, but I don't think I like what that would look like for me. I'm too afraid. I said, I get it. No problem. I just, so you know, that is the probably the only way he'll ever change, though. And her pomp was very legitimate. I didn't have a problem with it. She's just saying, I can't do that. Right? So, but I've had other people that would say, I'm gonna do that. It's gonna happen. And they take that step, right? So I guess it kind of depends on whether where you are in that process as to how how remember people that are centered are also humble. They're very willing to own, ah, I I can see that's a better way to go. That makes sense to me, right? But if you're vulnerable to being too needy or comparisons or being influenced by certain things like making money or looking good or whatever, then you're pretty vulnerable to a world around you, right? Now, let's go back to childhood. There are people that got influenced early on by their parents that they're not worthy, you're not good enough. Uh, you have other things you need to do that are better. And unfortunately, some people buy it. Right. It's not true, right? But they buy it, right? And so that damages them. And until they can own that, you know what, I don't care anymore, Cat. I don't care that you tell me I'm not enough. If that's your issue, not mine. Until I can do that, you own me. Well, if you have bad intentions or you're screwed up, then I'm vulnerable to that. I'm gonna follow you anyway and believe I'm unworthy, even though your motives suck. Right? So until I get strong enough to go, I don't really care what you say. I had a girl say that last week. I was so moved by it. She's so sweet, so white, so kind, and has never been enough. And she had the courage to say to her dad, I have never felt like I was enough. Now, he didn't get it. He was kind, he was nice about it. I said, So even though he didn't really embrace the dialogue and and really get into how could I be better about that? Are you okay? She goes, Oh yeah, I am. I don't need to fix him. I'm okay with it. I just got a chance to say it. And the fact that I could tell him, that's how I felt, I'm good. I thought, what a kind white. Like she was not, she was not on a mission to help him get himself better or change that. Or she goes, I'm good. We're good now. And she's one of the weaker, not stronger. So you can see where she moved to a center where she dismissed his negative influence on her.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Yeah, 100%. And so you do see, you know, I mean, these

Strong Vs Weak Presence In The Soul

SPEAKER_00 18:16

choices that you that people make that we make as humans is you see people going from a from weakness to strength. And are there sometimes that strong people need to get more humility so they can can play on that weak play, that weakness. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Yeah, the open, the openness. Absolutely. Yeah. They get so locked into what they're about and thinking it's the right thing, they may not hear the damage it's doing to somebody else by their way they're behaving. So that's a great point. That's a great insight. And I think that's really healthy people do that. They're open to that. Tell me about that. Let me know more about that. But you also know when they really want to know that, as opposed to when they're just saying it to placate you. So uh I like I say to you, yeah, so why is that a problem for you, Kathy? But I have no intention of hearing what you have to say to me. Right? I'm still gonna walk away saying, Well, Kathy, if you had been better or stronger, you wouldn't have reacted that way. So really, I'm not wanting to hear your story. It's very different from somebody who says, No, I really like if this dad had said to his daughter, tell me more about what I did to make you feel inadequate. And all he said was, Well, I feel inadequate too. I never measure up. Well, you're making it about you again. Yeah, you can't, you can't get over you, can you? And she was so kind, instead of saying that to him, she simply said, Yeah, I guess that that's hard for you too, Dad. I mean, it was just so I it just it's again, it's so rich when I see somebody like her evolve because she deserves it. Right? But it's also rich for me when I see somebody who is the other way who softens and goes centered instead of being right at your expense, hurtful at your expense, right? They can't see themselves for what they are. But it's different. I just want you to know, I want our audience to understand. I'm talking about, I like strong personalities. I've always liked them. I enjoy them. They're fun to they're fun to to engage.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Yeah.

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But people who act strong that are not strong are not fun. Right. They're power hungry, they're selfish, they're they drive nails into things that shouldn't have nails driven into them. They're not fun for me any more than a weak person who can't ever own something, can't ever step up and change things. They're no more fun for me than that person. Right. So two ends of the spectrum is what they are to me. But but there are people that I, because I'm so strong, I like people that are not necessarily always that strong. I mean, it's nice to have people around that are just fun to be with. They just are enjoyable, they're not critical, they don't want to lead, they just want to be part of something. And every good team has all those players. Right. Like you don't need all be everybody strong, no, right, in a group, or everybody weak. Correct. But it but it's different than but then colors. So that's what I would say to you about the colors is every color can be both. Strong or weak. Strong and weak. So put that together. I am a strong blue personality. Or I, you know what? I think I could have been strong, but I didn't buy that I was because I wasn't loved or seen as being legitimate. I gave that up when I was a kid. I want that back. I want that part of me back.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

I think that's the key. Like, like the moment that you say I want that back instead of rehearsing your oppression as you talked about, which is is that I, you know, like you can look back and look at something. So tell me if this is right. So you can look back and look at something and say, that's the reason I am, or I can use it. I always think this way, I can use it as a place to go, I don't want to be that. That happened to me. I don't want to be that. So here's my question in that. So I'm going to be something else than the thing that hurt me. I'm going to be, I'm going to be different than that.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

But does that, is it like kind of a, you know how like something gets damaged when they're little and it and like if you damage something, it doesn't grow the right way, right? You know, or it's misshapen. Right. And that happens with people, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:33

So But with people, it's always something you can you can reshape.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Right. That's what I was going to ask you. Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Right. But but when I was working on being more assertive, trust me, I did not do it right at first. Like when I first decided I'm not going to be like this anymore, and when I go into a hotel room and they don't have a room, how can I be assertive like a red? I did, I did it poorly at first. You were a jerk. I was a jerk because I didn't know how to do it logically. And I was so likable. Now I'm a jerk. That didn't go well. So so what I don't think is going well for people is they come out of trauma.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

And they say, I'm not going to be that anymore. And then as they try to change, they don't have the tools. They're like, I don't know how to do this. So they go back into being, well, maybe that's who I am and to be. Yeah. Yeah. But don't give up. You can't stop. You can't give up. You have to give it time. You're not wrong for saying, I don't want to be that anymore. That's not wrong. What it may take you time is developing tools that will help you get better at it. And so that's where I love the concept. I tell people get a mentor. What does it look like if you do it right? And get a guide, uh, someone that can help you like transition.

Finding Center: Legitimacy Over Comparison

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Like, what are the tools you used to learn to be that way? Because I need those. And they are great, helpful. I mean, I I like being that for people. I like having people who have other people that are that for them. I love people that are willing to change. They're not willing to give up. They're not willing. I'm so proud of this woman at 65 saying, I'm going to embrace that little girl I have rejected because of what she went through. I'm talking 60 years later. And by the way, part of it is coming because of a man who loves her so dearly. She wants to want to be with him. So again, the influence of other people in our lives that can make us choose that path. So, and I also don't want you to think, as listeners, that it's easy. I I it it's why I think so many give up, Kat. They just they give they give up because they don't have the tools, it doesn't work for them. Or people that have held them down push even harder to hold them down. Like, who do you think you are challenging me now? Well, I'm trying to do the right thing. Well, guess what? You're not doing it the right way. And so the person that kept us down before is pushing us down again.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Right. You know, it's so funny you should say that. I was thinking about that with in relationships because I was reading the story about the guy that started the Alcoholics Anonymous. Yeah, yeah. His wife really struggled with him becoming an like sober, becoming sober. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yeah. I mean, it's cool. It was fascinating to read this, and it was because her her role as his caretaker, she didn't feel like he needed her anymore to take care of him. And he didn't. He didn't.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

No.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

But she really in, you know, he was strong enough to go, no, I'm not doing this anymore. And they put together, you know, I mean, a program that has really changed so many lives.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Thousands of lives.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Thousands of lives, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:44

So wait a minute. I love what you just shared because I didn't know that part. And then part two is the first group he ran.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

They didn't get sober. He looked up and all of a sudden saw he was the only sober one there. So at the end of the day, how much harder was that then for this man who was so committed to helping others and it didn't succeed at first, except he succeeded.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

This guy, what a great compliment to him.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

I just realized about his wife. I didn't know that. He went through that. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Yeah. And I just think how easy it is for us to, you know, like you get used to the way things are. And when somebody's trying to get healthy, we stop them from doing that sometimes. Because 100%. Going from weak to strong is like, oh, what does that mean I am to you now?

SPEAKER_02 26:33

It's so good. I you know I well again, I we're back to mental health. And and what's so sad, Kat, is is that I see mental health as being such a sad tragedy. I really am so disappointed in this field. I have been disappointed ever since I got into it because people don't know what it takes to be healthy. It's like almost doctors that have been pushing prescription medication for so long as though that's a solution when it doesn't solve anything. It's the same in mental health when you just keep pushing these tired, unrealistic kind of expectations on people, keeping them down, not holding them accountable, not being responsible, not loving, that does not make you healthy mentally. Right. And we've done this to our kids. We've allowed them to believe they don't have to be strong, right? Yep. No. I I realized my wife found that quote for me, by the way. I talked last month about marriage and divorce. Yes. Since 1970, there have been three times the number of divorces than before 70. So what's happening? Instead of working on ourselves, making ourselves better, we take the I'll exit here thing. And are we better for that? No. People aren't happier that way, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:49

It's not like you go into your next relationship, you know, it's like, what is that thing wherever you go, there you are. I mean, come on, you're gonna find the same stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

Unless you do the work, you're gonna be the same person, right? And I think that's what I don't think people are doing in today's world. They're not doing the work right that is required to be healthy. And until we decide that's really where we're gonna go with this, we're gonna keep feeding that negative cycle.

unknown 28:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Which is unfortunate.

Owning Childhood Messages And Boundaries

unknown 28:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

So, I mean, the beauty of this is I just want you to know, I see people making this effort. I see great, great things happening with this, and I'm so mesmerized with it, I can't even tell you. And then I'm disappointed. I will find the people that are like, maybe not. I I thought I could just come in here and dump the junk on them and be okay. I I didn't really know that I had to do something myself, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

So to those of you out there that are listening, that are doing your work, thank you. More than you know, more than you know. It's like the ice skater skating in these cold, dark arenas at four o'clock in the morning for years and years and years. Nobody sees them, nobody understands the hurt and the pain and the loneliness and the struggle. I feel like that way about people in mental health that have made the effort, quiet effort on their own, to be stronger, to become healthier and better. And of course, you that are listening that are doing this, you know it feels really good to have made the effort, but it wasn't easily done. So my hat's off to you.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Really, amen.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Okay, we'll clip for today. It's been great. Another quick one, but thank you.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Another quickie. I love it. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Um, thank you, listeners. I have to get off the air before she gets us in trouble. It's been a pleasure. Bye now. See you next month.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Love you.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Bye-bye.